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Saturday, November 09, 2013

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I'm still befuddled by the front office throwing Ruf's future under the bus while they have no one better to take the starting role.
The grass isn't always greener in the free agent / trade market.

MLB Network's "Key FA" ticker shows Michael Martinez along with Chooch, Doc, and Lannan. ROTFLMAO.

What about Hernandez I have to assume he be on the roster next year. 10 Mill for Chris Young not too sure about that.

Agree with PLM. Even if they're willing to blow through the luxury cap threshold, paying $5M for a backup outfielder doesn't seem terribly realistic.

Wasn't suggesting a $10MM AAV for Chris Young, because he absolutely WON'T get that. At $5MM, sure.

Cesar Hernandez is a singles hitter with ehh speed and ehh defense. Phils are lacking the kind of late-game tools that most good benches have.

The bench was one of RAJ's many epic fails over the last two years. Any one of those guys mentioned look better than what we have had the painful experience to watch.

I just can't see the Phillies spending $5M per year on a bench player. And, while I realize that batting average is out of vogue these days, and that Young does draw a goodly number of walks, I tend to think that a bench player who hits .220 is going to wear out his welcome pretty fast.

No sense carrying a .300 singles hitter when you can have a guy with HR power hitting .220.

Interesting ideas but C.Hernandez must be on the 25man. I'd prefer not to lose him since I do not have full confidence in Utley. Maybe he could be traded for our supposed RF.

I agree that C.Young seems likely to outplay his upcoming contract due to his poor last two seasons. I even figured him as a possible cheap option for RF power for the Philles if all other options fall through. But I do not see them paying that much for a backup OF with Ruf and Hernandez in the wings.

Davis will be cheaper but I wonder how redundant he'd be to Hernandez. I certainly like Davis more and his speed would be even better if he was on base more.

I really wanted Chavez last year to platoon with Frandsen. I think he again would be valuable as a lefty PH but would not be a platoon option with Asche or Howard. Ideally I'd like a RH bench 3B and LH bench OF. But preferably just get good players.

***Choo Seeking To Exceed Werth's $126MM Contract

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/11/choo-seeking-to-exceed-werths-126mm-contract.html***

I'm sure Boras is...good luck with that, Scott.

The five-man bench can be -
1. Ruf as first-base platoon, PH, DH and a few games in the outfield,
2. Galvis as back-up at 3B and SS,
3. Hernandez as Utley's sub,
4. Rupp at C, and
5. An outfielder.

That can be a pretty good bench given the Phillies' needs and, of course, depending on who the outfielder is.

It's premature to identify the primary OF bench guy until we know who the starters are.

I'd like to see Ruf get 400 PAs. To get there, he probably needs to play 20-25 games in the OF.

Here is a name I would like to see the Phillies take a look at in spring training this year for a bench role……Brennan Boesch. Right now he is out of baseball looking to hook up with some team as a free agent. He is a big improvement on what they have available, would not cost a lot of dollars and hiots for a decent average with power. I think he and help the team and can also play the outfield when needed.

How is Brennan Boesch an improvement over anyone available? He is a LH corner outfielder with mild pop, poor on-base skills, terrible defense, a complete inability to play even a bad CF, and reverse platoon splits that aren't particularly good either way. I'm no great fan of Mayberry, but there is nothing that Boesch does which Mayberry doesn't do better -- other than hitting RHP, which Boesch does do better, but still terribly.

Besides Sir Utley's back up i presume theyll have Hernandez fake it in Center every once in a while. Probably be a decent PR as well.

"One way to help bolster the bench would be by signing either Chris Young or Rajai Davis to replace John Mayberry as the fourth outfielder. Both have more useful skills."


This solution by Corey is puzzling. I thought the point was to "upgrade" the bench.

2011-2013:

Davis: .252/.299/.369, 15 HR, 96 RBI, 81 OPS+

Young: .225/.312/.412, 46 HR, 156 RBI, 97 OPS+

Mayberry: .246/.306/.423, 40 HR, 134 RBI, 97 OPS+


Or, are we going just one year? Young may be an upgrade. Davis is not.

Then again, all three guys are pretty much par for the course when it comes to backup OF. Mayberry is no great shakes and should be replaced if they can find someone better - and/or cheaper. But it's not as easy as many here think.


More on Chooch:

"The Phillies said this week that while they want to re-sign Ruiz, they are prepared to move on. The Rockies will make an offer, though it's not clear if they are willing to go beyond two years."


http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_24487261/rockies-reach-out-tim-hudson-they-look-rotation-help#ixzz2kHXwMZv5

From MLBTR:

"Cardinals GM John Mozeliak told Jim Bowden of SiriusXM (via Twitter) that he'd like to trade a young starting pitcher for a "young controllable shortstop." The Cards have been heavily rumored to be seeking a shortstop to give them an upgrade over Pete Kozma."


I wonder if they could be convinced Galvis is enough of an upgrade over Kozma to give a young SP?:

2013
Kozma: .217/.275/.273, 1/35, 448 PA, 57 OPS+

Galvis: .234 .283 .385, 6/19, 222 PA, 83 OPS+

Let's see. Shelby Miller, Martinez or Rosenthal for Galvis? Deal.

If we started today and the bench consisted of:
Galvis
Hernandez
Ruf
Backup C
and Mayberry

I wouldn't hate it. We need help so many other places that I think there is enough pop/speed/versatility there to be a good bench Mayberry is what he is but he isn't the worst and spending 5 Million on his replacement is not where I would go with our funds.

Start in OF and go to SP and RP and C all much more pressing needs to fill than the bench

Heck, if the Phils could get Shelby Miller, I'd give them Jimmy Rollins and pay all his salary.

I'm interested to see how things like the bench shake out and what have you, but why am I hearing nothing at all about a pitching coach? That needs to happen soon.

No big surprise but Phillies pursuing Arroyo. We all know how Rube loves his over 35 yo players. Hopefully its not the 1 year too long type of contract.

I disagree that the bullpen should be given priority.

Returning in '14 are Papelbon, Bastardo, Diekman and De Fratus. Add Martin and Pettibone (as a long man); that's six and could be the entire bullpen.

Most likely, the Phils will go with seven relievers. They can take another look at Aumont and Rosenberg in Spring Training to see if either is ready.

At the end of Spring Training, if the BP looks short, the Phils can add a cheap arm or two from the abundance of relievers that will be available then. The bullpen is already too expensive. The team should not be spending much more on relievers.

In general, the fine tuning of a bullpen is an on-going process that continues throughout the season.

Here's an off-season option for the Phillies with two reasonable and attainable objectives: 1) to retain all top prospects and not lose any draft picks, and 2) to be a .500 ball club in 2014.
Step 1. Trade Brown and a mid-level prospect for Desmond Jennings;
Step 2. Trade Kendrick for Peter Bourjos;
Step 3. Sign Franklin Gutierrez as a FA;
Step 4. Sign Chris Young as a FA (Go with a six-man bench);
Step 5. Sign Matt Garza as a FA;
Step 6. Sign Josh Johnson as a FA;
Step 7. Platoon Ruf and Howard at first; and
Step 8. Complete the bench with Galvis, Hernandez and Rupp.

The team's pitching should be at least average and possibly better if Johnson bounces back.

The team's defense will be much improved with a stellar outfield. Overall, the defense should be average to good.

The team's offense could improve from terrible to poor just with the first-base platoon. It's unclear what the new OF will produce offensively or how much Asche and Hernandez will contribute offensively.

This team may be able to play .500 ball.

Derek all those players with the exception of maybe Papelbon are all question marks. You also forgot to mention Adams not sure of his status. Also the Defector im not clear if he is going to be in the pen or a starter.

awh: Young and Davis do have a higher WAR from 2011-2013 for what it's worth. A lot of that probably has to do with defensive WAR, but if it's essentially a toss up, I wouldn't mind seeing a change of scenery.

Looks like the Braves are going to be building a new stadium for the 2017 season.

Kind of insane. The ballpark is not that old and they've played there for only like 17 years.

Amaro is going to likely have to pursue table scraps after he is doing addressing a few more glaring needs including C and a corner OF.

If the Phils do grab a corner OF, I like Ruf off the bench and as a part-time starter at 1B/LF.

The issue to me is that having Hernandez/Galvis on the bench at the same time since it limits an NL manager late if he needs a PH option and what kind of offensive production you can count on Galvis/Hernandez over the course of a season.

Maybe Hernandez turns out to a better player having a guy who hits .270 or so with zero power, average defensive ability, and patience at the plate hurts when you already have a below-average offensive player in Galvis on the bench (and Rupp if he is the backup catcher).

tulo to cards rumor is sickening. please don't happen.

TTI - Yeah I read that and it pisses me off to no end. If I lived in Cobb County, I would have a real bone to pick with the County Commissioners in the next election.

Atlanta has some of the dumbest regional planning in the country so it doesn't surprise me. More and more sprawl.

"Returning in '14 are Papelbon, Bastardo, Diekman and De Fratus. Add Martin and Pettibone (as a long man); that's six and could be the entire bullpen."

You need only look at the last 20 years of Phillies transactions to know that signing veteran relievers is more likely to turn out badly than well. The problem is, the odds of cobbling together a decent bullpen with only the holdovers are even lower than the odds of RAJ managing to sign a good reliever or two through free agency.

Diekman pitched well down the stretch, but that 3.8 BB/9 ratio looks totally unsustainable given his minor league track record. DeFratus pretty much stunk last year. Martin is this year's Aumont: he'll probably make the pen because of his great stuff, and probably get sent down midseason because he can't throw strikes. Bastardo is a big question mark because of the PEDs and because he wasn't pitching very well even before his suspension. Pettibone will likely be a starter (and isn't very good anyhow). That leaves Papelbon, who has his own set of issues. We clearly need to sign a couple relievers. The key is: can RAJ actually pick a couple who are good, for a change?

"The issue to me is that having Hernandez/Galvis on the bench at the same time since it limits an NL manager late if he needs a PH option and what kind of offensive production you can count on Galvis/Hernandez over the course of a season."

Better to have Galvis and Frandsen? Or Galvis and Mini-Mart? Galvis and Orr? Galvis and John McDonald? Most teams carry 2 backup infielders and Hernandez actually hits quite well for a backup infielder. I'd be a lot more comfortable with Cesar pinch-hitting in a close game than with guys like Mayberry, Nix, Bernadina, and Ty Wigginton -- all of whom were backups at offensively-oriented positions and couldn't hit a lick.


"I haven't really had a full discussions with David [Montgomery, team president] about that, but we've got flexibility," Amaro said. "It it limited. I've said it many times - our payroll was around $165 million last year? We should be able to put a contender on the field for $165 million. We should be able to to a contender out there for that kind of payroll."

If Montomgery thinks he can put a contender with the current 8 contracts the Phils already have committed to at $123M including MAG next year, he is delusional.

Even if this club spends up to the luxury tax or close to it, they are going to struggle to put a team out there that is above .500 and Amaro is going to have to have his best offseason, Phils will have to have some good providence with health, and have a few of their younger players maybe exceed expectations a bit.

Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20131111_Phils_go_to_winter_meetings_with_holes_to_fill.html#ihrayTXbc1wFQbes.99

I meant if the payroll is at $160-$165M next year.

"We should be able to put a contender on the field for $165 million."

That's kind of like saying, "I should be able to live a more luxurious lifestyle with the $500,000 lottery jackpot I just won," without mentioning the $750,000 in tax and credit card debts with which you were saddled at the time of your winnings.

"awh: Young and Davis do have a higher WAR from 2011-2013 for what it's worth. A lot of that probably has to do with defensive WAR, but if it's essentially a toss up, I wouldn't mind seeing a change of scenery."


CRD, if "change of scenery" is the reason, then sometimes that works out - sometimes it doesn't - and the player you got rid od winds up outperforming the player you brought in.

A classic example is them getting rid of Gregg Dobbs and keeping Gload and then adding Nix, respectively, as their primary LH bench bat.

Gload and Nix, combined, did this in 2011 - 2013:

.225/.276/.349, with 22 2B, 5 HR and 31 RBI in 381 PA.

Dobbs moved on to Miami, where he put up this line:

.267/.310/.366 with 47 2B, 15 HR, and 110 RBI in 1048 PA. (Dobbs stayed healthy and played a LOT more).

The point is that change, just for change's sake, doesn't always work out.

bap: its more like spending that $750k solely to acquire that $500k winning ticket.

"Amaro is going to likely have to pursue table scraps after he is doing addressing a few more glaring needs including C and a corner OF.

If the Phils do grab a corner OF, I like Ruf off the bench and as a part-time starter at 1B/LF."

All he likely to pursue is table scraps anyway. He'll wait too long because he won't pay the inflated money demands players are making (and he shouldn't. For insyance, Why give Beltran 3-4 years?

""I haven't really had a full discussions with David [Montgomery, team president] about that, but we've got flexibility," Amaro said. "It it limited. I've said it many times - our payroll was around $165 million last year? We should be able to put a contender on the field for $165 million. We should be able to to a contender out there for that kind of payroll."

We've heard that before, haven't we?

"If Montomgery thinks he can put a contender with the current 8 contracts the Phils already have committed to at $123M including MAG next year, he is delusional."

Ys, he is.

It's almost like the bench looks worse when your bench guys are forced to be starters.

The issue isn't the bench. The issue is that they have bench-quality guys pretending to be starters.

tulo to cards rumor is sickening. please don't happen.

Posted by: lorecore | Monday, November 11, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Why? He's perpetually injured...sure, he's super effective when he's on the field but he's missed a significant chunk of time in 5 of the past 6 seasons and he's averaged just 105 games a year in his last 3 seasons. He also costs a fortune: $16 million in 2013 and then his 6/$118 M extension kicks in for his Age 30-35 seasons...for a middle infielder who already has major injury concerns.

Of course, this is the Cardinals so he'll likely turn into Cal Ripken Jr Part Deux and go into Ironman status for the next 7 seasons...because these type of moves almost always work out for them.

Jack, I agree.

People here are down on Mayberry (admittedly, not a great player). But most of the problem is because he was thrust into a role for which he was not well suited - that of a starter. he's just simply not good enough.

Neither is Galvis, or Frandsen, or Wiggy, or Nix, or _elm_n, or MYoung, or Kratz, or Schneider, or Bernadina, or Pierre, or broken down/injured Utley, Howard, Polanco, or.... mini mart.

"But most of the problem is because he was thrust into a role for which he was not well suited - that of a starter. he's just simply not good enough."

Yeah, except that some of those guys -- Wiggy, Schneider, Bernadina, and maybe even Kratz at this point (as much as I hate to say it) aren't well suited for ANY role on a major league team. Even your beloved Mayberry is a borderline case, as the role for which he is well suited is an incredibly narrow one: pinch hitting, and sometimes starting, but only in a corner OF spot and only against LHP. That's just too narrow a skill set to justify a roster spot.

"Yeah, except that some of those guys -- Wiggy, Schneider, Bernadina, and maybe even Kratz at this point (as much as I hate to say it) aren't well suited for ANY role on a major league team."


bap, I hope you're not expecting a dispute from me... just don't forget to include mini mart.

bap, where Mayberry is concerned, he can also spot start in CF in an emergency, and play 1B against LHP. That adds a little to his value.

He could probably only be traded for a fringe prospect at this point (or maybe even org filler), but he will get a major league job somewhere in 2014, even if it's on a 2nd division team. All you need to do to know that is look around MLB and see what occupies benches.

He's an ideal platoon piece for a team committed to platooning.

There is a surprising lack of talent at some MLB positions. Just take a look at who the Cardinals - the NL Pennant winners - trotted out as their primary SS in 2013, Pete Kozma.

What that shows you is that a team can get by - actually win a LOT - even with a player at one position that is horribly subpar, IF....

IF the other players on the team are good enough that they can carry the extra load.

Also, the 2014 version of the Cards may be in for a letdown. The 2013 version hit .330 .402 .463 with RISP, and .313 .376 .463 with men on base.

I'll bet anyone here anything they want that they don't equal or better those two slash lines in 2014. We'll see how good they really are next season.

"bap, I hope you're not expecting a dispute from me... just don't forget to include mini mart."

I always expect a dispute from you. But, sometimes, just to make sure, I throw in a line that I know will get your goad.

Yeah, Mini-Mart. That was a gross oversight on my part.

MG, had time at lunch to read that Philly.com article up you linked.

This should scare the hell out of Amaro/Montgomery:

"According to foxsports.com, Santana and Nolasco are asking for multiyear deals for $100 million and $80 million, respectively.

Considering Nolasco's numbers in the last 3 years aren't all that different from those of Kyle Kendrick, that would seem like an awful lot of money. Nolasco is 35-36 with a 4.29 ERA and 1.33 WHIP in 98 games in the last three seasons; Kendrick is 29-31 with a 4.05 ERA and 1.31 WHIP in 101 games in the same time span."

awh: Good point. Change for change sake may cost much more money this time too. Upon actually comparing Young and JMJ, Im not sure which player I'd rather have.

I guess it comes down to comparing the price for the two. Young is probably going to cost too much considering they have comparable career numbers.

I guess it is worth considering Young's 2010-2011 seasons. I am not sure that he's been healthy since then, only playing in 208 games in the last two years.

If he can stay healthy this year and give you something similar to 2010/2011 (.247/.336/.436 47 HR, 50 SB, 10.5 WAR), he might be worth a 2 year deal. I guess at the worst, you end up overpaying for your 4th outfielder.

" Upon actually comparing Young and JMJ, Im not sure which player I'd rather have."


CRD, I'm not sure either. that's the problem - neither is great shakes, or a lock to perform well.

Not a big Mayberry fan, but I would consider keeping him as a bench guy because he can adequately play OF/1B, can hit LH pitching adequately, is a veteran player
(hey, his major-league experience has to count for something) and is still relatively cheap. However, if he has to play regularly for your team, your season is over.

Re: fielding a contending team for $165mil. - - I would like to ask Amaro why he thinks that will be easier in 2014 than it was in 2013 when the Phillies were not close to contending. How, with the money already committed and the holes to fill and the improvement (ranking mediocre to poor in every facet of the game) needed?

Re: Nolasco's and Santana's requested contracts - - Santana didn't even pitch last season, is coming off surgery for re-tearing his shoulder, with questions about whether his career was done...and he thinks someone will pay him $100 mill? Is he right? Egads!

GBrett: ERVIN Santana, not Johan

Chris Young plays center field better than Mayberry.

He has more power than Mayberry.

He steals more bases than Mayberry.

He has been worth more WAR over the last 3 seasons.

Mayberry has an OPS against lefties of .847. Young's is .837.

Yup- it is real close between those two.

Young being a better fielder seems to be a general consensus but is subjective opinion.

JMJ: career iso- .185/ career slg.- .430
Young: career iso- .196/ career slg.- 431

Stolen bases isn't even close, as Young even has a better percentage.

Young also has the edge in fWAR and bWAR.

Mayberry is a year younger and will probably be cheaper, which is why this ISNT a no brainer. We are not talking about who is the better player, just which one you would rather have on the Phillies.

CRD: Here is why it is a no-brainer for me. Young may be more expensive but if you needed a guy to start for an extended period of time- Young is the guy you want in that role.

Mayberry has shown us his best and now he is an 86 OPS+ player who is incredibly mediocre and is declining. He doesn't belong on the roster and this point anymore and the love affair with him that blatantly ignores his on the field production is deserving of the same ridicule hoisted (rightly so) upon the front office for similar style moves.

On a completely different note, Phil Hughes is a guy who desperately needs out of New York. This isn't a secret or anything, it's just a shame for our sake he isn't a good candidate for CBP.

Hughes' career HR/fb % at home: 13%
on the road: 7%

In addition to FIP 4.80/3.78, ERA 4.96/4.10 and wOBA .349/.303.

You can go on and on. His name doesn't seem to pop up much either. If he goes to the right team, especially a NL team (Mets or Braves?) he could have a big year.

"He has been worth more WAR over the last 3 seasons."


I hate it when that gets cited. Not because it's not true, or not germane, but because what someone is essentially stating is that players should be paid for past performance.

Besides, Young put up a .200 .280 .379 line last season. that's damn near "minimartish", and Mario Mendoza would be very proud.

As I see it, the problem with Young is we don't know if we're getting the 0.5 fWAR (0.0 bWAR) Young (his only positive was his base running) of 2013, or the 4.5 fWAR (5.0 bWAR) Young from 2011.

He could be great or he could be a Mayberry WAR clone.

TTI: I don't entirely disagree with you, it's just I am sure there are plenty of Arizona or Oakland fans who are saying similar things about Young. He had an 85 OPS+ last year.

Notice I did say I'd be up for a change of scenery in Mayberry's case. I'd be okay with signing Young for the right deal just like I've come to accept losing baseball for another year.

CRD, your last post really illustrated it:

John Mayberry isn't the problem, and whether it's Mayberry or Young nest season won't make a lot of (if any) difference).

"next" season

awh - Yup. A payroll at or below $165M isn't going to cut it. Only hope the Phils have of fielding a competitive team next is that they sign the new TV deal this winter and are prepared to spend $185M or so instead of $165M.

MG, exactly. No way they compete with so much money tied up in so few players.

As I see it there is no OF who they can sign in FA who doesn't carry a significant amount of risk and who is going to be worth the money he's paid.

Right Field?
Beltran - probably the best of the bunch, but age and injury issues.
Young- nuff said.
Cruz - PED and age related risk
Choo - megabucks
Ellsbury - mega-megabucks
Morse - is worse in the field than Ruff
Trumbo - see Morse


3B is still up in the air, though they'll probably let Asche lose the job (and as I've stated previously, we might see Franco take the job from him by the end of the season if they actually give him a chance, which I don't forsee the "service clock" Phillies doing).

1B - WTF knows what we'll see from Howard?

C - if they don't re-sign Chooch, unless Salty, McCann or Pyrzinski is signed it will be a downgrade, and perhaps a significant one.

and then there's the pitching.....

What's there really to gain with Asche anyway while Franco is kept in the minors? It's not like Franco is being blocked by Jim Thome...

If you cite his minor league numbers, I guess they look okay. But I was completely uninspired by 170 or so major league at bats. Sure, I hope that isn't telling of his value. But if there is any value in him right now, it's probably as a trade chip rather than an actual third baseman, stop-gap or not.

CRD:
What's to be gained is a better appreciation of what Maikel Franco is. He's had all of 292 PA in AA or above, all of which came during an incredibly impressive breakout year. That's not exactly indicative of a whole lot beyond that he's got a very bright future ahead of him if he can keep it up. His BB and K rates also should give pause, as they indicate a guy with immense contact skills and desire to put the ball in play: Whether he has the plate discipline necessary to succeed at the MLB level at the moment is an open question. He's also just 21, so a half-season in AAA is not exactly burning precious time during his peak seasons.

Franco's starting next season in the minors also gives the club more time ascertain what they've got in Cody Asche. For substantial portions of his audition, he flashed enough leather and pop to make you a believer that he could stick as an everyday, league-average offensive and defensive 3B. Given how thin the position, there's substantial value in that. But there were also times -- such as the last two weeks of the season -- where he looked clueless in the batter's box. As Asche himself is just 23 on a team that's not going anywhere, there's nothing lost by running him out there everyday to get a big enough sample size to determine whether he can be an everyday starter.

TTI: Oh! Thank you! I forgot there was another pitcher named Santana.

So, I looked him up and found this piece about what kind of money E. Santana & Nolasco are likely to get: http://mlb.si.com/2013/11/08/ervin-santana-ricky-nolasco-pitching-market/

As to the subject of this post, as the FA market drearily forms for corner OFs, has anyone else started to warm to the idea of Chris Young on a pillow contract as the least bad solution to our RF problem? He's a likely candidate for a bounceback year, at least as far as his power goes, since he had pronounced home/road splits last year (.193/.270/.335 in 196 PA at home v. .208/.291/.428 in 179 PA on the road). His defensive upside as a corner outfielder ridiculous, as while he was only good for 0.3 UZR/150 last year, most of it was attributable to the -11.7 UZR/150 he had in CF, where he spent his time. (In RF, he posted an 18.7 UZR/150, with most of the value coming from his range.) And, while he does have injury red flags, they're certainly less glaring than the likes of Corey Hart (and, to a lesser degree, Nelson Cruz).

So, while not exactly my first choice, I think Young on a pillow contract with $4-5MM in base salary plus sizable incentives could be a nice fit. Not exactly sexy and such still leaves the team wanting for on-base skills, but it'd make a heck of a lot more sense than giving up a draft pick for Nelson Cruz.

I don't think any of these players are worth losing a second round pick over. Ruben find a better way!

awh: Firstly- I cited his WAR because I was trying to cover all bases in the argument.

Secondly- you have been beaten the drum in support of Mayberry for a while now (cue you claiming you haven't). Please enlighten all of us as to what you have seen from him that makes you feel he is much needed on this team.

CRD: Here is the thing to me on Mayberry. He stinks- especially when pressed into a starting role. The big argument for him the past few years has been "He plays center field and he can hit lefties." Both of those things he is declining at. Let's hypothetically say they sign Young and move Ruf to the Mayberry role as I've advocated (of courses signing a 5th outfielder to play center or using Hernandez in a hybrid role). That makes the team better. Does it get them into the playoffs? Maybe not, but it at least shows them trying to get someone in here to help the team. Let's say Young comes in as the 4th outfielder. If someone needs to be pressed into duty I'd take my chances with Young over Mayberry.

Mayberry to me is indicative of what has been a failing of the team the past two years, and bringing him back for a third year in the same role tells me they are okay with that.

I cannot see the Phillies wanting Young considering his batting average. Seems like an anti-amaro move. I have soft spot for Rajai Davis.

I would like to see at least another year of Franco (or at the minimum a half more season) before we declare him the savior of the Phillies franchise.

red sox just won the ws with a 21 yo at 3rd. franco has been in the oven long enough. if you plot his ba in the minors the trajectory says he's ready. asche's bat doesn't fit modern expectaions for the hot corner. and franco will put fannies in the seats. i doubt you will see many asche jerseys running around.

Don't want Young simply because of his last name.
Delmon and Michael were Youngs enough.

TTI: Safe to say we pretty much feel the same way. I guess I'll be throwing away my Mayberry shirt for a fresh new Asche.

Despite his disgustingly bad 2013 season, I still think some low-payroll, second-division team like the Royals or Padres will pay Chris Young $5 or $6M to be their starting CF. In so doing, they will spare us a season-long Beerleaguer argument about whether Young's many positive traits are enough to outweigh his pitiful batting average.

Jim Salisbury (@JSalisburyCSN):

Ruben Amaro on pitching coach search: "We've made a couple of offers and they've decided to go different places." The search continues.

When we talk about Franco at third for the Phillies in '14, it's not about bringing him up prematurely based on what he did in '13; it's more about Franco's demanding the third-base job by knocking down the door in spring training and the first half of '14. It's really a hope, more than anything else, that he's a star ready for the big stage.

***Ruben Amaro on pitching coach search: "We've made a couple of offers and they've decided to go different places." The search continues.
***

Rube: Again, thank you for coming in to meet with us today. Do you have any questions for us?

Pitching Coach: Sure, what exactly are you looking for out of me?

Rube: Production

Pitching Coach: Production?

Rube: Yes, production. Production is important to us and the Organization. We expect Production out of you.

Pitching Coach: ??

Rube: Was there anything else?

Pitching Coach: Um no...thank you for your time.

If Franco destroys it in ST and has a great 1st half in Lehigh, there is no reason not to bring him up...well, no baseball reason. They might want to extend his team control an extra year or two. Cody Asche is not blocking or at least should not be blocking Franco on the MLB club.

Hate to give up on Asche though. Me thinks he can be a .275-.280/15HR guy.

Wonder if he can lear to play the outfield?

Probably...Asche could at least...Franco is reportedly a near statue who is a fit at 3B and 1B only. Asche could theoretically move to LF...though his bat wouldn't play there on a good team.

Going to be a while again I am afraid where Philly is a destination coaches and players want to come almost all things equal.

New manager with no MLB experience, a club that is rebuilding or falling off, and a GM in the hot seat. Understand why a potential pitching coach especially one with MLB experience would turn this job down.

Phillies To Sign Marlon Byrd
per mlbtraderumors.com

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