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Tuesday, October 01, 2013

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Is anyone else annoyed because Delmon Young is playing in the post season?

Well, that was productive. What the hell was the point in saying that publicly?

RAJ hates walks. They aren't Productive™. Ruf walks; and his Production™ is nowhere near acceptable.

On this date in 2008, the Phillies defeated the Milwaukee Brewers in Game 1 of the NLDS. It was such a fun time to be in Philadelphia - bars were teeming with people dressed in red, fans were brimming with excitement, and there was a buzz in the city as our boys dived headlong into the playoffs.

Five years later, this corpse of a franchise continues to rot with RAJ at the helm of a ship he is steering firmly into the ground. Even though he robs us of a future, at least he cannot rob us of our wonderful memories five years ago.

Ruf could be a starting 1B or DH for a fair number of MLB teams (perhaps including the Phillies, if contracts and egos weren't involved). Instead, RAJ trashes him and labels him a bench guy. Productive™!

Our Ruben thinks Howard is a $25 million talent, while Ruf might be an OK bench guy. I wonder how many other GMs would agree to trade Ruf for Howard straight up. This franchise has no prayer until Rube is gone.

Is anyone else annoyed because Delmon Young is playing in the post season?

just in that - In a long line of ex-Phillies that seem to find happiness on another team!

This write-off is absurd. r00b probably refuses to believe that keeping D-Yak in as a starter for as long as he did instead of bringing Ruf up was the wrong answer.

Glad I kept the FREE RUF sign that I made back in June... prepare for another call to arms, Cyclic...

'Well, that was productive. What the hell was the point in saying that publicly?'

raj has been at that lately

raj has been GOOD at that lately

Basically what everyone else said.

Darin Ruf is not a great baseball player. But the guy who gave Delmon Young an everyday job in RF and thinks Ryan Howard is a $25 million a year player has pretty much disqualified himself from the conversation on this topic.

Sadly, that guy is our GM.

Not only did all the walks annoy Rube, he probably really hated to see Ruf field groundballs and throw to 2B to cut down the lead runner.

"Ruf's 2013 numbers are basically identical to Howard's slash line over the past three years of .248/.327/.467."

Ruf's line including his 2012 PAs is .257/.358/.489.

That's 30 points on OBP and 20 points of SLG. He hasn't been identical to Howard. He's been better.

"What's really a shame is that Ruf will probably give you as much production at less than a million dollars as Ryan Howard will at $25 million."

Umph... truth.

Just another example of Raj's great ability to evaluate talent.
Don't believe he asked to be the RFer.Gives 100% defensively and does what he can. Don't you just hate guys like that on your team?

Well, Rube is right at least that Ruf shouldn't be the RF for this team.

He should be the 1B.

Get this clown out of here please.

r00b has hated Ruf from the outset. It's petty & inexplicable.

I hope he trades him and Ruf goes on to have 800+ ops, 30hr 75 RBI type season.

Forget all the govt hooplaw, this is the story of the day. How in the name of Dykstra's dipwad is this moron a GM?

True that Ruf is not all-world, but he's solid, and fills many holes on this team: power-hitting RH bat, that can also take pitches and get on base. More similar to Werth than RAJ probably realizes. Maybe if Ruf grew a captain caveman beard...

Defund Amaro-care

Strange that he would kill his own negotiating stance for any free agents out there by essentially saying he is desperate for a right handed outfield. Nelson Cruz's agent's ears just perked up.

The analytics guy is gonna get fired as soon as he points out that Ruf should play over Howard.

I don't really have a problem with this, since the best use for Ruf is probably as a platoon player with Howard at 1b. If he ends up as platoon 1b, backup OF, bench bat, that's not the worse usage for the guy. I especially say this with the emphasis that the Phils are serious about bringing in an impact bat. If Ruf is benched for a Delmon Young type (again), well that's a big problem.

Well thats disappointing...

Whats the point of sending Ruf to the instructional league? To market him or to help him refine his ourfielder skills?

Darrin Ruf reminds me of a young Greg Luzinski, but somehow more likeable.

I think he is the "piece" that they should rebuild around. If he is traded he will blossom into an all star and become a world champion.

And if that happens, Mr Amaro will prove that he is expendable!

Well thats disappointing...

Whats the point of sending Ruf to the instructional league? To market him or to help him refine his ourfielder skills?

Darrin Ruf reminds me of a young Greg Luzinski, but somehow more likeable.

I think he is the "piece" that they should rebuild around. If he is traded he will blossom into an all star and become a world champion.

And if that happens, Mr Amaro will prove that he is expendable!

RAJ trades away or does not sign his productive RF (s) (WERTH/PENCE)

then he complains publicly about D Young & D Ruf

Same thing w/ Shane (trading him ) and then complaining about Revere

RAJ put himself into this mess by
overspending on a few players and having to trade quality players to cut costs.

Then complains about the lack of OF PRODUCTION

The Phillies averaged 3.77 R/G, & r00b wants to relegate the only guy on the team who can work a Walk & hit for power to a f*cking bench role.

Meanwhile, he's expecting Ryan Howard to defy both age & medicine through sheer force of effort, & worries about "not embarrassing" the rotting corpse of Roy Halladay w/ a lowball offer.

Absolute jackass.

Young guy puts up an .838 OPS over 330 PAs: RAJ thinks he's not an everyday player.

Old, washed up guy has back-to-back terrible years, including a 6.89 ERA and 5.2 BB/9 ratio for this year: RAJ makes it a priority to re-sign him at a high enough salary so as not to embarrass him.

I don't really have a problem with this, since the best use for Ruf is probably as a platoon player with Howard at 1b. If he ends up as platoon 1b, backup OF, bench bat, that's not the worse usage for the guy.

Posted by: Bedrosian's Beard | Tuesday, October 01, 2013 at 10:11 AM

This is all true, and sadly I seriously doubt this is how it will play out. With the Phils probably shopping on a tight budget yet again, I doubt they find an impact bat in FA.

If jw were still running Beerleaguer, there would have been a whole new thread devoted to RAJ's all-time buffoonish comment that he needs to offer Halladay enough money so as not to embarrass him. But since jw isn't running Beerleaguer anymore, I was at least hoping to get a few pithy comments from Jack and lorecore.

... the best use for Ruf is probably as a platoon player with Howard at 1b.

And for the record, I do agree w/ this. However, r00b has been unequivocal in his insistence that platooning his $25 million/year mistake is not an option.

BAP: I've been so out of it the last couple weeks, I didn't even know of the comment from RAJ on Halladay. Can I get it in full?

Anyone who reads Beerleaguer knows that Darin Ruf is an absolute star, so the Amaro assessment is puzzling.

Worth a read, by Murphy. It starts like this:

PREDICTION TIME: The teams that should concern the Phillies most heading into the offseason are not the Braves and the Nationals but the Mets and the Cubs.

Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20131001_Ways_to_upgrade_the_Phillies__roster.html#tLVk2sLcrdc277fx.99

b_a_p: I'm honestly surprised that no one from the assorted local sports media jumped all over that quote. It's so obviously insane that a writer from Des Moines could have a field day. AN unbelievable fail from the supposedly tough & savvy Philly media.

Jack: I don't have a link or anything. But Anthony posted the quote, so I'm assuming he really said it: On the dollar figure he would offer Halladay: "It's going to be something south of where he is now, clearly, but the question is how far south do you go without embarrassing the player?"

Oh, I found the full quote in yesterday's Salisbury article:

“Honestly, I would love to bring Roy back,” Amaro said. “We do not believe that that was the Roy Halladay that we’re going to see in 2014. We have to continue to talk to our medical people. We’ll talk to Roy, obviously. And we’ll talk to our scouts. It’s a tough one and hopefully we’ll make a good decision with him. Roy’s going to have more of a decision with this than we are.

“As far as monetizing his contract, I have no idea where to go there yet. I have to talk to our guys about it. It's going to be something south of where he is now, clearly, but the question is how far south do you go without embarrassing the player? How far south do you go risking what he will be for us? We’ve talked about the shared risk and that is something that will have to happen.”

From Chris Branch: "At 34, Ruiz will likely have to sign a one- or two-year deal and hinted he would take less money to stay."

Who ever said Ruf is an "absolute star"?

Jack & BAP: Here's that quote from RAJ:

Matt Gelb ‏@magelb 53m
Ruben Amaro Jr. does not want to make an "embarrassing" offer to Roy Halladay http://sulia.com/c/philadelphia-phillies/f/72100a34-f830-4724-a1a4-0f539776524b/?source=twitter

Did anyone in the press corps have the balls to ask the very obvious follow-up question "Ruf isn't a RF but Delmon Young was?"

Or even better, "Come on now, this is a franchise that suffered through you in RF, Mr. Amaro."

Gutless screen name changer: Only about 20 posters over the past 2 years. Look above and you'll see one poster comparing him to Greg Luzinski.

Idiot.

RE: Platoon. Was it Sandberg that mentioned doing it somewhat recently, and wasn't it ALMOST already happening before Howard went down?

I agree the Halladay comment is just ridiculous. I really like/liked the healthy Halladay, but there's no reason to me they should be looking to bring him back next year.

I don't agree with the people who think this will be a quiet offseason. I think it may be an epic one. Perhaps, and epic sh*tshow, but still epic. The GM is on the hotseat, and the writers/fans smell blood.

The attitude toward Ruf, the future HOF, on this site is laugh out loud funny.

GBrettfan: Excellent. The Phillies Glory Years Mummy Collection just wouldn't feel complete w/out Chooch.

Its not the attitude towards Ruf so much as the utter disdain for Ruben Amaro Jr.

Ruf is a nice platoon bat and a guy that you could spot start at the corners to add some much needed offense to this lineup along the lines of how the Cardinals handled having Beltran, Holliday, Craig and Adams for 3 spots. He's not an everyday starting RF but saying that after adamantly declaring for nearly a year that Delmon Young was a legit RF is just laughable.

Maybe someone needs to make up some 7 year old scouting reports that say Ruf is better in RF to help convince Amaro.

clout: Was "The Bull" really a "star"? Phillies stars of that era were guys like Schmidt & Carlton & Rose. Luzinski was supporting cast.

http://blog.chron.com/sportsupdate/2013/09/bankruptcy-petition-filed-on-behalf-of-comcast-sportsnet-houston/

CSN Houston declares bankruptcy...I guess that 0.0 rating hurt more than we thought.

I wonder how this will affect future TV deals for MLB clubs. The Phillies might very well have missed the boat if there is a reassessment of that particular market.

Do we have a good option for catcher other than Chooch, though? Kratz & Rupp would be cheaper, but if Chooch is relatively cheap whereas McCann projects not to be....


NEPP: I asked that question yesterday. How is D. Young a RF but Ruf is not? You are absolutely right that it seems an obvious question for a reporter to ask.

Anyone who reads Beerleaguer knows clout's proclivity towards alternative lifestyles.

The thing is, I get what Amaro is saying. It's not like what he says now actually affects what the offer would be, and I'm sure he really respects Doc and is trying to convey that. Fair enough.

But you contrast that to the way he's publicly called out plenty of players over the years (whether it's Werth on his way out the door, or a guy like Ruf above), and it just doesn't jibe. It's not like he's shown a particular sensitivity to players' feelings before. In fact, he's often gotten to the point where it seems petty for a GM to be criticizing a player like he does in the media.

Salty would be a good option but he likes Boston and Boston wants to retain him. I highly doubt he's gonna jump ship there.

(But I assume RAJ would wriggle out of that one by stating that both were given an opportunity to prove themselves everyday RFs this year, and pointing out that D. Young was dispensed with.)

GTown: Your views touch on reality only rarely, but you have a good sense of humor so it's hard to say whether the stuff you post is tongue-in-cheek or you are really that ignorant.

Luzinski was a 4-time All-Star who finished second in MVP voting twice and posted an .840 career OPS during an era that was dominated by pitching. He wasn't a Hall of Famer like the 3 you mentioned but he was an absolute star although perhaps not of the quality you think Ruf is.

The David murphy piece on the Phils/offseason shares the same belief that Ruf shouldn't be penciled in as RFer.

Amaro bad mouthed Ruf and Ashe while saying he wants Halladay and Kendrick back.
The man is delusional.
I expect an even worse record next year with him and the helm again.
The longer he's in charge the bigger the hole to dig out.

I mean, I want to reiterate: Amaro is absolutely correct that Darin Ruf is not an everyday RF, and should not be.

Not to defend Clout too vociferously, but 4 all star game appearances and 2 2nd place MVP finishes make Luzinski at least star-ish.

Darin Ruf could be an everyday DH for a below .500 AL team or a solid bench piece for an above .500 AL team.

clout: Settle down. I was asking your opinion, not jabbing. My memory only goes back to the latter half of Luzinski's career, & the term "star" is somewhat subjective.

Correct, he should be an everyday LF (at least for this club in '14, given the other contractaul commitments.)

clout is obviously in full on d8ck mode today.


It's ok clout, we're all a little upset at the Phillies 2013 season. We shouldn't take it out on each other. We're all on the same team here. Well, except for BAP (Giants) and Jack (Braves).

Cardinals took a big gamble on Beltran, who was 34 years old and injury wracked for 2 of the prior 3 years and it paid off handsomely.

Phillies took a big gamble on Delmon Young, Michael Young and Mike Adams and it failed miserably.

jbird: And the Beerleaguer staff (Comcast).

jbird: You're not good enough to shine the Bull's shoes.

Signing Halladay absolutely has to be contingent on his health. One-year deal with tons of contingencies or nothing at all.

I'm a big, bright shining star.

.802 career OPS, ROY, All-Star, Top-5 MVP candidate.

You know I love the Bull, but Boog's at Camden Yards is better Pit Beef. There, I said it. Somebody had too.

"Well, except for BAP (Giants) and Jack (Braves)."

It's the A's now. I'm a fair weather 2nd favorite team fan.

Sorry, Sarge, you're more of a distant star with a .439 SLG for a corner OF. Bull SLG was .478

"Cardinals took a big gamble on Beltran, who was 34 years old and injury wracked for 2 of the prior 3 years and it paid off handsomely.

Phillies took a big gamble on Delmon Young, Michael Young and Mike Adams and it failed miserably."

Clout: You're acting as though those guys all had equal probabilities of working out.

Carlos Beltran is a HOF talent. The only chance Delmon Young has of seeing the HOF is catching a bus to Cooperstown and buying a ticket like the rest of us.

jbird: You're right. I'd love to see a Bull-Boog-Garry Maddox BBQ cook-off.

I mean, Delmon Young played exactly how you would've expected him to play, based on his career numbers. You can't even say the gamble "failed." It wasn't bad luck. It was not understanding the odds.

In your analogy, Rube wasn't unlucky. He was a terrible gambler.

Signing Halladay absolutely has to be contingent on his health.

Luckily, the Phillies will be leaving that determination up to the man himself, a player noted for being realistic about his physical condition:

"Roy’s going to have more of a decision with this than we are."

Friggin' r00b hears Halladay's nickname is "Doc" & thinks he's a real M.D.

Tom,
Amaro did not bad-mouth Asche. Just did not anoint him as THE 3b guy.

Everybody knows the best part about Bull's BBQ is the Bull-dog. No reason to get pit beef outside of Baltimore anyway.


You know I love the Bull, but Boog's at Camden Yards is better Pit Beef. There, I said it. Somebody had too.

Posted by: jbird | Tuesday, October 01, 2013 at 11:05 AM

I guess we finally figured out what the J stands for, eh Judas?

Lets not be too hard on Rube.
When he's right ,he's right.
When he's wrong he's right. Can't get any better than that.

Rube fails to realize that whether or not he views Ryan Howard as an everyday player, he hasn't been physically capable of living up to that expectation in quite some time.

Furthermore, when he is able to play, he hasn't done a whole lot this decade that suggests that you wouldn't prefer Ruf at 1/25th of his salary and $24 million to spend elsewhere on the diamond.

Ruf is not a game changing piece that you build a team around, but he does have value and he deserves an opportunity to play everyday.

Howard isn't a game changing piece unless the game you're playing is "How to spend $125 million dollars to watch a man alternate between physical therapy and striking out."

So extracting the side issues of Delmon Young and whatnot:

Do people on here legitimately think Darin Ruf is an everyday starter in right field?

Somebody finally asked Rube about his RF comments...here's his response:

It ain't the way I wanted it! I can handle things! I'm smart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!

NEPP: My opinion was in no way swayed by the 30 pieces of silver I received.

Clouts is a ass clown but i generally have to agree on his assessment of Ruf. I see Ruf basically taking on what was expected of Nix albeit maybe more pop. At least for the near future.

Rube's view of Ruf as an everyday player is moot as Ruf will be the starting 1b by July due to an unfortunate and completely out of the blue leg injury for Ryan Howard that of course no one could have anticipated.

I think he can fill in for us. I think he can fill in in certain areas, but I can’t sit here and tell you that he’s an everyday player for us.

This statement is 100% correct.

So is this:

No, Ruf shouldn't be handed a starting job if there are far better options. But betting that there won't be, he deserves a shot at one.

Where's the controversy?

***Do people on here legitimately think Darin Ruf is an everyday starter in right field?***

No, I think he could be a platoon 1B who gets the occasional starts in LF/RF for his bat knowing full well his defense hurts us. Though when he's replacing Brown, the dropoff is pretty negliable so its less of a concern there.

However, there is a misconception on this site that every other team has fantastic defensive players at the corner OF positions. Lots of very good offensive corner OFs are absolutely atrocious in the field...Cuddyer comes to mind as a great example of this. A team can take the hit if the bat is good enough. In Ruf's case, I dont think it is for an everyday role but in a smaller role where he likely gets around 300-400 PA between the 3 spots, he has a lot of value.

I'm hoping Ruf is our Allen Craig with less average and more power, best case scenario. But you can't bank on that kind of breakout, obviously.

Hey, if Amaro can trade Ruf and get something useful in return, I'll be a happy fan.

If he can trade Howard for anything at all without eating most of his contract, I'll drive to the Amaro house right now and wash his car with my tongue.

***Cardinals took a big gamble on Beltran, who was 34 years old and injury wracked for 2 of the prior 3 years and it paid off handsomely***

The Cardinals almost always seem to win on those "gambles" that they take. Other than Wiggy, they have a great track record on reclamation projects. Maybe their scouting/baseball evaluation system is better than ours...

NEPP: Given that track record I'm surprised Wigginton didn't wind up being World Series MVP for the Cardinals. I guess that honor will go to D. Young in Tampa in a month or so.

NEPP: And with that I agree. So I don't understand the vitriol against Amaro in this case. Ruf shouldn't be handed a job and he isn't an everyday player. He can be very valuable used correctly though.



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Does anyone here honestly believe Ruf will be used correctly -- as in, platooned w/ Howard at 1B?

"Ruf is not a rightfielder".

You knew that when you called him up, you knew that when he was started in right field 27 times this year, you knew that when you had all of last year in AAA and all of winter ball this year to give him some games in RF.

I hope you know that when you're gone in 2015.

Didn't they sit Howard a bunch against lefties this year?

Please show the ex- bat boy the door before we suffer through another off season of his overpaying for over-the-hill talent. I will pay money to see Ruf play and develop. I will not continue to watch Howard and Rollins go half-speed.

Amaro is the one that can't Feild his position

"If Ryan Howard is now relegated to being a platoon player, he's a very expensive platoon player and he needs to be better. I think he knows it. I know he's struggling, I know he's not happy with his performance -- neither are we. I think he's going to be better, but right now, he's just not doing the job." -r00b, 03 July '13

Read: Ryan Howard needs to play every day, & if he fails to both do so & meet my performance expectations, it's all on him.

FYI: Howard's last game before being shut down for the season due to needing surgery for a torn meniscus in his left knee was 05 July '13.

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