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Friday, August 16, 2013

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***Manuel won the 1,000th game of his career this week and led the Phils to their World Series title in 2008. He was to be honored for the achievement prior to tonight's game.***

Enjoy your cheesy gold watch...now get the fvck out.

Is it possible that they are honoring him by not making him endure another game managing this collection of s***heads?

Some great copying and pasting Seidman. Here's Jim Salisbury on CSNPhilly.com:

Sources: Charlie Manuel out as Phillies manager

Charlie Manuel is out after eight-plus seasons in charge. It is believed Ryne Sandberg will take over. It is unclear whether it will be on an interim basis.

The Phillies are holding a press conference at 2:30 p.m. CSNPhilly.com will carry it live.

CSN uses the same words on multiple formats to get the message out?

Shocked.

I've often imagined Charlie, when he's at the dugout railing next to Ryne Sandberg, saying to him, "Yeah, have fun with this team next year," or 'You want 'em? You can have 'em."

I'm sure that the players and Ruben himself will have good things to say about Charlie. I'll forever be grateful for those 5 exciting seasons and his part in them.

From Phillies website:

LOS ANGELES DODGERS

FRIDAY: 7:05 p.m. … Ashburn Alley - 4:35 p.m.; Other gates - 5:35 p.m. … Broadcast: PHL 17, Talk Radio 1210 WPHT, SportsRadio 94WIP, SAP (Spanish), WOGL HD4 (Spanish) and WTTM 1680 AM (Spanish).

Charlie Manuel's 1000th Career Win Recognition: Charlie will be recognized on-field prior to the game for reaching 1,000 career managerial wins.

If this is true it makes me dislike Amaro and the rest of the FO even more.

I have defended them on these cyber pages, but this move is indefensible on any and every level.

It is a totally classless move, but what else would you expect coming from a "small market" team?

From the Walking Sphincter on down, this organization has not changed.

We were fooled for a while by a rare (and lucky) convergence of talent. We were fooled by the winning.

But the Giles/Montgomery Phillies have not changed their stripes.

They just got lucky for a while.

Middleton, Buck and Betz ought to be ashamed.

I wonder if he is being let go because of the denture fiasco.

It's obviously Charlie Manuel's fault that Ryan Howard keeps breaking down, Roy Halladay's shoulder blew out, Michael Martinez is the team's center fielder, all the veterans lack fire and interest because they were signed to long-term deals after winning the World Series, the entire bullpen of homegrown talent sucks, three players were busted for banned substances over the last 2 seasons and the front office pads the roster with flunkies like Delmon Young and Laynce Nix.

I guess when you've whacked a few low-hanging fruit like Milt, GG, Perlazzo, Cholly is the next best target. Not to say he's faultless, because his lineups and tactical whits have not been sharp. But come on. BJ Fucking Rosenberg.

awh, why not pump the brakes and wait for some details about how it went down?

Following Delmon Young's release from the Phillies earlier this week, there appears to be mutual interest between Young and the Rays.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/08/mutual-interest-between-rays-delmon-young.html

Wow. I thought the Rays were supposed to be good at talent evaluation.

Well said, JW.

Joe D, read Weitzel's post above yours.

I read it awh and believe me I know Charlie is not the biggest problem with this team but again do we not understand the way firings work within the structure of a baseball team. Let's not be stupid. And again wait to see the terms of the departure.

Low class act. Amaro should have been fired.

"Wow. I thought the Rays were supposed to be good at talent evaluation."


Dickie, the Rays need a RHB.

_elm_n vs. LHP in 2013: .286 .361 .397

Sandberg is going to be hard pressed to get more out of these guys. You can't polish a turd.

Too bad for UC, but something tells me he wasn't enjoying it any more than we were.

awh --

Can't agree with you there. Whatever the problem with this organization, they do not suffer from a lack of loyalty.

***Wow. I thought the Rays were supposed to be good at talent evaluation.***

To be fair, they're not looking at him as a starting RF, they're looking at him as a possible RH bat off the bench.


Huge, huge difference. Only a moron would consider Delmon Young a potential starting RF.

What's the real travesty is that this team (one that supposedly loved the manager) rolled over on him in his final year. That to me is sad.

Love that post, JW.

Did Charlie Manuel himself become complacent? There's probably some truth in that. So I don't necessarily disagree - I've been out of the loop, but was actually pulling for this really early in the season because you could tell even then. But this team has many deeper issues than this - the biggest of which is how they're scouting and developing young talent.

ramsey, I wasn't addressing their loyalty, but rather their way of doing business and their competence.

Rolling over by the vets coupled with a poor influx of "talent".

Honoring Charlie's 1000th win and firing him on the same night is disgusting. Ruben ruined this team. Charlie hasn't changed. Give him until the end of the season. Give him one last September night to take a bow.

I hate Amaro, believe me I do but it's still premature to jump to conclusions on how this went down.

I seriously doubt Charlie was straight up canned on the day he was being recognized for his 1,000th win. More likely he's done with this group too and he's happy to be a "FO adviser" while kicking back and catching some grouper in the gulf o' mhe-xi-co.

"Huge, huge difference. Only a moron would consider Delmon Young a potential starting RF."


Well, when that same moron relies on 7-year old scouting reports to tell him that Delmon Young could be a starting RF what do you expect?

Nah no way jbird! It's all an outrage! There is no other reasoning behind why he is being fired! NONE!!!!!

Sunday Sept 22nd, last home game of the 2012 season. Charlie comes out for a mound visit in the 9th inning and gets a roaring standing ovation and walks off the field for the last time.

How great would that moment be?

Roaring standing ovation? In front of 15,000 people?

"Ryne Sandberg has been named Charlie Manuel’s replacement. Wally Joyner will coach first. Juan Samuel moves to third."

The deep issue is the organizational culture that values loyalty and tradition over accountability and new ideas.

RAJ is the latest embodiment of this culture, but Ed Wade came before, and a similar GM may well come after.

my dislike for the front office extends to the guy doing the mic check

"But this team has many deeper issues than this - the biggest of which is how they're scouting and developing young talent."


JW, you are proving in a few posts why the thread headers have declined in quality around here.

I know you're probably busy and that you have a young child, but do try to visit us every once in a while.

"How great would that moment be?"

Folowed by a 3-run homer by Ike Davis, clinching 3rd place for the Mets.

Ramsey got it right. Nobody is ever fired by the Phillies. They lose and lose and lose for decades on end and the same roobs hang around. Screw them.

Ten bucks says if they fired Rube, they'd just promote Ed Wade again.

It's 100% in keeping with how the Phillies have been run since Monty took over.

"I hate Amaro, believe me I do but it's still premature to jump to conclusions on how this went down."

Joe D, you're not making the right distinction.

It's not about "how" it went down.

It's about the fact that it happened in the first place.

live stream not working, is it going on now?

I hope that during the presser, Rube says something like, "You've all seen it. We just had to get Ryne out of that third base coaching box."

I hate Rube. I can't stand listening to him.

Whoa, Amaro's choked up!

It had to be today? What are they, the Eagles? Low class move.

Whatever awh, I'm not bent about the fact he won't finish the year. I honestly don't even want him being around this drek anymore, it's bad for his health.

Whoa. Amaro breaking down.

Save the tears Ruben. We aren't buying it.
Go Charlie.

He will stay within the organization? For what purpose though? Ruben never even listened to the guy.

get a grip ruben

Charlie is delivering more class on the way out.

Seems like Charlie is fine with this but we can't possibly accept that as truth.

"Ramsey got it right. Nobody is ever fired by the Phillies. They lose and lose and lose for decades on end and the same roobs hang around. Screw them."


Well, it certainly doesn't seem to be a coincidence that the only time they've won a WS since the current ownership group bought the team was when they brought in someone from the outside to be the GM.

I did not resign and I did not quit.


F8ck yeah!

His departure shouldn't tarnish the good he did here. Those fans with a clue will always giving him a standing O when he is in the house.

I can't believe they sent him out there to fall on the sword publicly

"I did not resign....I wanted to put the team above myself."

Does that mean he told RAJ: "I'm not a quitter, but if you want to fire me, I'm down with it."?

Someone ask Ruben if he believes the manager is the reason why the Phillies are 53-67.

Even when he's relieved of his duty he's talking about the team getting better.

"His departure shouldn't tarnish the good he did here. Those fans with a clue will always giving him a standing O when he is in the house.

Posted by: Joe D | Friday, August 16, 2013 at 02:35 PM"

That's right.

I hate Rube. I can't stand listening to him.

Posted by: gobaystars! | Friday, August 16, 2013 at 02:31 PM

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r00b is a disingenuous dick!

that's why I used to call him "Liar Liar".

It looks like I'm going to have to start using the moniker again.

I knew that whatever Charlie really feels, he would put on a positive public face and go out classy, emphasizing the team, and with his humor intact.

It's just funny how people want to burn Ruben at the stake but they offered the guy a soft landing with a cushy front office job. Wouldn't us everyday working stiffs like a job offer with a firing?

The truth: "I got tired of Ruben calling me."

(I heard that correctly, didn't I?)

Hilarious!

This press conference highlights the positives in Charlie. Never too high or too low. I definitely always admired that about him.

If Ryne starts Martinez, I'm jumping out the window.

joe d: you're about 2 comments away from being forever labeled a FO Apologist!

i thought for sure that Charlie called rube a cocksucker.... how romantic..

Ramsey: Nailed it. That culture doesn't work. And if you can say one thing about Gillick - who definitely made his share of mistakes in personnel - it's that he wasn't a good old boy and brought a fresh perspective. Unfortunately, the cycle happening all over again.

The Phillies offer everyone a soft landing with a cushy front office job

I think the 8,000 other posts in which I shredded roster management show that I'm not a FO apologist by any stretch.

Joe D. I think the reason for the anger at RAJ is because it doesn't feel like he's taking responsibility for his part in this crappy club by firing Charlie. I get what you're saying about the manager always being the domino to fall before a GM falls, but still. It feels like Ruben made this mess and firing Charlie won't clean it up. Let the man finish out the year.

Unless Charlie really was sick of Ruben's phone calls, which is entirely possible.

rube says he takes responsibility but he's not leaving. weird.

as long as ruben is gm and the organization stays firmly planted in the "we value scouting more than numbers" mantra, it won't matter who the phillies have as their manager

GBrett, he is somewhat fessing up to his wrongdoings now.

RAJ crying out of guilt. I don't buy it. Charlie class all the way.

There. Right there. Ruben just said that this team has the talent to contend.

The Phillies probably over achieved to be 48 and 48 at the break... but its hard to justify keeping the manager around when you go 5 and 19 after. Regardless of the talent on the field. Something happened... it wasn't the confluence of the schedule... or the tipping point of the season.

The was probably something going on in the locker room. You have to make some sort of change. With Charlie being a lame duck anyway, it was the only resort. Charlie wasn't going to quit or retire. But what's Amaro supposed to do... Let the team continue winning 2 out of every 10 games for the rest of the season? You think Charlie gets those standing O's then?

Its an ugly situation. These things always get ugly.

I really missed the late 1990s...but it looks like I don't have to anymore. So there's that.


Phone calls..."Look, you have to start Martinez. He said he's gonna release those donkey photos and I think he's serious this time"

Charlie is putting on a show at this presser.

Liar Liar was able to tweak what Wade and Gillick built, but he won't build another contender.

He doesn't seem to have the judgement to do it.

He just fired the best manager in franchise history at the tail end of a season for which Liar Liar is most responsible. that's not the right kind of judgement.

And WTF is Dave Montgomery?

Tellin' ya, Monty, it's smooth sailing here on out!

My attention has wavered some but Ruben still backed the talent after that question about whether the roster was the larger issue?

He's funny, serious and emotional all at the same time.
Rube is just smug.

Team has been putrid since the ASB and somebody had to take the fall.

Cholly wasn't the right guy for this team last year or this year but I really did think the Phils were going let to him finish out the year.

Rube's a dead man walking now as a manager. After this year's flop and a team next year that likely will struggle to finish .500, the pressure Monty and co. will face will be intense to dump him.

I so hope the Phils get a TV deal done early, Monty and some of the other limited partners finally cash out, and new ownership comes and cleans out the Phils' 'Augean Stable's in multiple areas next offseason.

I would have liked them bringing in Bowa for the rest of the year, just to threaten the players to do well or Bowa would be there in 2014.

Great Question Alert!!

"You haven't been able to turn the page with Utley, Rollins, Howard why do you feel the need to turn the page with Cahrlie but not them?" Boom!

seattlephan: its ok to value scouting over numbers...but they are as horrible at scouting as they are evaluating numbers.

RAJ delusional. "this team can contend"
Prediction Charlie will lead the Nats to a world championship next year. JWerth probably already to Rizzo in DC. Perfect spot for Charlie

Ruben is a joke. Charlie talks about 4-19 not being good, not being 4-9, about how he was just telling Utley how it wasn't good, how he doesn't like it but given how the team is doing he understands them making the move.

That's accountability, that's being focused on the team...

Then Ruben just sits up there with all this Well, we felt like when we knew that Charlie wouldn't be the manager next year he deserved to know and it wouldn't have been fair to have him sit there for forty games...

It's full of indirect bs, he tries the whole fair to Charlie thing...One of the reporters should have forced him to at least mention the roster and his responsibility for it.

"Joe D. I think the reason for the anger at RAJ is because it doesn't feel like he's taking responsibility for his part in this crappy club by firing Charlie."


GBrett wins the thread!


If you "look to the future", Ruben, then look to the future.

I'm afraid this means another year of Amaro at the helm. Otherwise you'd probably fire the GM at the same time and let the new GM hire the next manager.

They're calling Sandberg an interim manager, right?

These questions have been good. Usually the media pussyfoots around the tough questions.

Charlie with the answer to the tune out question! Something like "They (the veterans) looked around and saw that we weren't going to get where we needed to be." Listen to that and it is a hard indictment of the roster and ruben.

are they still honoring him tonight?

Charlie certainly has his shortcomings as a baseball manager.

But class is not one of them.


Charlie has more class then the rest of the organization put together.


The fact that Dave Montgomery isn't there to take some heat shows that lack of class.

Good questions, but still pointless, since Ruben just says the same stupid stuff in response to them.

"We were fooled for a while by a rare (and lucky) convergence of talent. We were fooled by the winning.

But the Giles/Montgomery Phillies have not changed their stripes."

This!

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