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Can't wait for the great Roger Bernadina experience to begin.

There are at least 2 relievers in the bullpen -- Garcia & Miner -- who are worse than Valdes. But I guess it would be too much to ask that RAJ actually demote the worst guy on the roster.

"The Phillies played errorless baseball"

Only because having your LF run off your CF is tricky to score as an error. And, Garcia pitching on an MLB roster is an error, though if you want to go that route we'll have a few errors every game.

that was a sweet win. i'm happy for chooch and mabes and paps. they all badly needed that.

diekman's improvement seems to have come since he raised his arm slot to more 3/4 than side-arm. creates a more repeatable release point, i guess.

What is this "complete game" purported in the header?

“I can only control so much of that, but I can put myself in position more often to be a 100-run guy by getting on base,” Rollins said. “But those are things that have been in demand of me since 2001. Nothing that he’s asked me to do is anything new. The voice is new, but not the message.”

Not to knock jimmy too much because he was a top 10 SS for a long time, but to admit that management has been asking you to change you approach for your entire career and your response has been "fvck it" is pretty bad to admit.

What is this "complete game" purported in the header?

Posted by: epicurean | Tuesday, August 20, 2013 at 01:00 AM


Confused me for a bit as well but I think the meaning isn't a CG, rather that we actually played a game as a team where no particular area completely shat the bed. Offense put up some runs, starting pitcher pitched a quality start, bullpen didn't give it up (despite trying), defense didn't have an error (well, one in the outfield), and so forth.

Bernadina? Guess this follows the trend of zero-tool outfielders with a bit of speed and "competent" defense )see: Wells, Casper).

Yep. I came here from a tweet to see who pitched a complete game. Answer; no one.

Maybe it was a "well-rounded" game or something.

You know that deep down, Rube is trying to set up a starting OF of Bernadina, Mini Mart and Wells.

His #1 goal as a GM was to assemble an entire OF of players equal to or worse than he was as a player. He's so close he can taste it.

After that, it was to assemble a starting 9 that were all worse than him.

"Complete effort" might have sounded better.

Hey, you remember Major League? How the owner was trying to assemble and entire team that sucked balls, so she could move the team to Florida? Hmmm....

NEPP: Suckage League ASSEMBLE!

How's this for fun with small sample sizes?

What did Ruf do in the minors for his entire career there? Crush LHP.

Here's his current splits for 2013:

vs. RHP: .986 OPS in 109 PA
vs. LHP: .631 OPS in 34 PA


Mind you, that's such a small sample size that just 1 HR off a LHP would bring it up to a .770 OPS...ie if he were to homer in his next AB against a LHP. Still funny though.

A Bernadina signing would be the final straw for me between just casually loathing Amaro, and actively starting a 'Fire Ruben' campaign. My wife would probably kill me before I had a chance to get anything organized, though.

It's nice to see Ruiz pick it up (.888 OPS) in last 17 games. Hopefully he finishes out the year strong, just cause I like the guy.

Also Dom Brown with a .936 OPS since coming back from injury..nice to see.

Rollins is tanking hard. He really needs to finish better than this.

DeFratus pitching better too lately.

If The Buddha and Einstein got it right, relatively speaking this was a complete 2013 Phillies game.

Where have all the Mayberry bashers gone today?

It's only Iceman really, ever since others dared to compare Mayberry favorably to the great one (Revere), others to a lesser extent.

Mayberry has 2HR in his last 26 games. A .649 OPS since Revere went down. A cumulative 0.2 bWAR since the start of 2012.

He still sucks, despite the HR.

Mayberry truly is an example of a bench guy that gets massively exposed any time he gets regular playing time.

johnnysanz- wrong. I've been bashing Mayberry since before anyone here even knew who Revere was.

"Where have all the Mayberry bashers gone today?"

I'm here. Is there something you'd like to say to the contrary of Mayberry sucking?

From a philly.com article talking about free agent bounce back candidates:

bounce-back candidates (Tim Lincecum, Josh Johnson, Edinson Volquez, Colby Lewis, Shaun Marcum, Ubaldo Jimenez, Scott Kazmir, and, of course, Halladay)

Damn, thats a strong list of bounce back guys.

Cloyd has been sharp lately at AAA. Rockies not exactly the '27 Yankees. Feels like a win.

We are trying the old Yahoo crappy headline trick you come in seeing "Complete game" and we gotcha! BAM! More page views!

Someone help me here: what is the point of getting Bernadina at this point in the season?

Honestly, does anyone have a logical reason?

Because Fvck You, that's why!

Ubaldo has now reached the status of perennial bounce-back candidate. It's just not going to happen if we're to believe anything outside of 2010.

pitch f/x put Diekman's last fastball of the game at 99.6 - which technically rounds up to 100.

"Someone help me here: what is the point of getting Bernadina at this point in the season?"

Because the front office wants to see just how badly he sucks before offering him a contract for next season. There's no way they were able to get scouts to see him play 3 hours south of Philadelphia, or in the numerous games he played against the Phillies over the years. Gotta see how he looks in the uniform, and how well he gets along with "the guys" in the clubhouse.

I almost think another GM, who hates RAJ, puts out info that the Phillies are looking into these garbage guys just to embarrass RAJ.

i bet Amaro jumps some of the times too. Like who is this Bernadina guy people are talking about? Oh hey.. he's pretty versatile!

Ubaldo does have a 2.90 ERA in his last 15 starts, but he's clearly not the same pitcher. Sits 92 and throws more junk, but yet can't contol any of it and is walking guys even more than he used to when he threw in the hi 90s.

Do you think other GMs have established an "Amaro exception" in their contract negotiations and arbitration arguments? For example:

Agent for player A: "Look, my player is better than Laynce Nix was when he was a free agent, and he got a guaranteed 2-year deal. We won't settle for less!"

Assistant GM for Team B: "Oh, but that was an Amaro deal. Doesn't count. Sorry, try again."

Invoking Amaro during arbitration is much the same as declaring shenanigans...

Jack, I think you may be onto something!

Getting Ethan Martin for Victorino may turn out to be a deal Rube made that didn't suck.

Limo: blind squirrels man, blind squirrels.

Martin clearly hit a wall around 80 pitches. The fastball went from 94 early on to around 88 in the 7th. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get a shot in the pen in September.

Martin needs to work on his long toss or something. There is no excuse for an MLB pitcher completely hitting a wall at 80 pitches and he's done it in all 4 starts.

The Phillies really need to go the Nolan Ryan/Texas route of prepping their pitchers to throw to 120 pitches instead of 100 in their minor league games. Build up more arm strength and stamina.

limoguy: That's why you trade veterans at the deadline.

You can't hit the lottery on a young prospect if you don't collect a lot of young prospects. Of course most of them are going to suck. But guess what? Michael Young sucks too, and he's of no use to the franchise whatsoever.

Failing to trade Young is inexcusable.

NEPP: Or he is just not a starter and the phillies need to capitalize on his strengths as a middle relief guy. He would be great for 1-2 innings in the pen.

and by great I mean better than Luis Garcia, Raul Valdes, and Zach Miner. My expectations for a "great" player have substantially diminished in 2012/2013.

After Martin's last start, Charlie was quoted as saying basically he's going to be a reliever long-term.

But the team needs a starter right now, and Martin has been starting in the minors (as all pitchers with potential should). So there's no harm in using him in the rotation now.

They should move him to the back end of the bullpen next year. He could become a good late-inning guy pretty quickly.

Remember 2008 when Clay Condrey was our garbage time innings eater?

He'd easily be our setup guy in this bullpen.

If he can't go over 80 pitches every 5 days, what makes them think he will be effective throwing 20-30 on back to back days or even 3 days in a row?

Stamina is stamina.

I agree, Jack, Young should have been traded and was shocked when he wasn't. He doesn't even have a position now. He's like a utility infielder (not a very good one) and a pinch hitter now. He's also hurt. Not a shock for a 36 year old guy or whatever he is. I like the guy a lot, but his work here was done when Asche was called up.

I was told we'd get a better offer once he cleared waivers in August...I imagine that offer should show up any second now.

NEPP: Based on what?

I mean, that's just complete conjecture on your part, right? You have no idea if the stamina required to throw 20 pitches two or three days in a row is the same as the stamina required to throw 90 pitches in one game. Neither do I. Common sense actually leads me the other way--that it's different.

It's generally received baseball wisdom that guys who are max-effort delivery guys like Martin are better served in the bullpen where they can pitch in short stints. Now, conventional wisdom can be wrong of course. But I'd need to see more than you just saying "stamina is stamina," you know?

If he can't go over 80 pitches every 5 days, what makes them think he will be effective throwing 20-30 on back to back days or even 3 days in a row?

Stamina is stamina.

What do you base that on? Surely throwing 80 pitches with 10 minutes rest in between a batch of 10-20 is different than throwing 1/3 of those pitches in a batch or two with 23 hours rest in between.

Not that I know that Martin could throw effectively 3 days in a row or not, but I think you made a wild leap there.

Rube just wants to cover all the bases by signing just about every washed up, scrap-heap outfielder that gets DFA'd. Each and every one is probably better than Yak.

Stamina issues or not, Martin's stuff plays better out of the 'pen (as has been noted here many times). I'd like to see him get a shot there at the MLB level this year when Pettibone/Halladay return. If he gets optioned back to AAA to continue starting, it will be a mistake.

NEPP: "Mayberry truly is an example of a bench guy that gets massively exposed any time he gets regular playing time."

This is 100% correct.

I guess I'm going to get slammed by the Gotcha Gang for agreeing with Jack. That's alright, I can take it. :)

Bernadina can run, won't hurt you on defense and can't hit a lick. He's Casper Wells without the potential HR power.

Personally, I'd rather see Martin out of the pen because he has two solid pitches and I think his stuff would tick up in short bursts (think 96-97 mph instead of 93-95 mph)

Someone might be interested in rattlesnakes or black widow spiders without actually wanting to own them.

Someone might be interested in MRSA and the Black Plague without actually having either.

Someone might have an interest in goiters, boils and canker sores and tapeworms and such without actually wanting any of them to be part of them.

I'm hoping the Phillies have this kind of interest in Roger Bernadina.

limoguy: wait, a mediocre 36 yr old player who actually had offers to be traded for has since suffered nagging injuries while other previously interested teams have already acquired alternatives, is no longer receiving offers to be traded?

Its like the most unthinkable things in the world all happened. Poor Amaro, I feel so bad for him. All of this horrible luck.

Most folks think Martin will end up in the bullpen, but it has nothing to do with stamina. It has everything to do with his splitter, which is his third pitch. He has a hard time with command on that pitch and without it, he's best suited for the bullpen. If, like last night, he suddenly gained command of it, then he should remain in the rotation.

In re: Mayberry

Well. Sure. He's not any more than a fourth or fifth outfielder. And most of the time he's not worth more than that (though he can kind of play center field).

But he's worth more than Greg Golson.

So there's that.

Andy, spot on!!!

Exactly clout...unless one of your 2 pitches is otherworldly (like Hamels changeup), its really hard to hang as a SP without a 3 MLB quality pitch.

Same with KK before he developed his changeup.

Edmundo - I'm going to assume the spot on was in reference to Bernadina and the plague and not my Mayberry comment (which was, mostly, tongue in cheek).


Although it's nice to know that (even if it's a small potatoes trade) the Phillies are capable of occasionally coming down on the good side of a player swap.

johnnysanz: "bounce-back candidates (Tim Lincecum, Josh Johnson, Edinson Volquez, Colby Lewis, Shaun Marcum, Ubaldo Jimenez, Scott Kazmir, and, of course, Halladay)"

Marcum, Jimenez, Kazmir, Johnson and Volquez have had arm injuries and have yet to return to what they once were. I wouldn't touch 'em. I wouldn't call Lewis a bounceback candidate, since he has nothing to bounce back to. He's never been more than a back-ender.

That leaves Halladay and Lincecum.

Lincecum stands to get wildly overpaid by some idiot GM that still thinks he might be the guy that was a dominant CY winner instead of the junkballer he is now.

He shouldn't even get more than a 1 year deal this winter but some idiot (please god dont be Rube) will give him a 2-3 year deal.

clout: even Lincecum & Halladay have nearly completed their 2nd poor season in a row.

jbird: This is true and with Halladay you have to worry about his age (37 next season). But I still like their chances better than the rest of the list.

Of course, since the GM is who he is, we will sign one or two of the other guys (like Lewis and Marcum) and expect the fans to think he's gone all in on a top flight pitching staff.

I don't know if it was discussed but Sandberg talk a lot about Rollins the other day and what Jimmy needs to do better to help the team and such. All very reasonable stuff but with a hint of the "guy in his mid 50s forgetting what happens to players in their mid-30s" syndrome that plagues the Phillies organization.
For context, Rollins will be 35 next year. When Sandberg was 35 he sat out a year. Not exactly giving his all for the team.

Kazmir is an interesting case. His stuff seems to be back of late.

"Lincecum stands to get wildly overpaid by some idiot GM that still thinks he might be the guy that was a dominant CY winner instead of the junkballer he is now."

Sox lit him up like a pinball machine last night :)

Watching the Phillies swing at a ton of first pitch and on 1-0 counts last night, I was mindful that Sandberg may simply be more of the same as far as hitting approach. I would prefer if he had the offense batting with the approach he had as a hitter, not this "aggressive" BS that doesn't work.

NEPP: Lincecum much better this season than last. His K/9 is actually a tick higher than it was in his last good season and his walk rate also a tick better. His problem is that his fastball is now hittable so he has to have better command of it and mix in more breaking stuff.

I agree that any return to his Cy Young days will be dependent on his remaking himself from a strictly power pitcher. But lots of guys have done that over the years, so it's not impossible.

Andy, correct.

Come to think of it, I had a case of Bernadina once and it took a lot of antibiotics to get rid of it.

I kid. He'd be a great defensive caddy/pinch-runner for elmon Young.

Clout: Where are those higher offers for Mike Young that were supposed to be rolling in during the waiver period?

I thought it was guaranteed that some team would have an injury to their 3B and would overpay for Young?

Re: aggressiveness
Charlie talked about this on Philly.com about a week before being fired. He was asked about the lack of walks and he said guys need to work counts and walk more. He said "not walking means a lot of solo homers." He said he wants people to hit good hitters' pitches and you get them from taking the balls and getting ahead in counts. He gets it. You can't pretend that Charlie was anti-walk.
Also, I think pitch recognition, being selective and drawing walks is just as much a skill as running fast and having a good arm. There are things that one can do to improve but too often it is discussed as if it were a decision. As if a player can just decide to be better at recognizing pitches.

***His problem is that his fastball is now hittable so he has to have better command of it and mix in more breaking stuff.***

Yup, he's a junkballer highly dependant on his command.

But still even with an uptick in his stuff, he's still just a 73 ERA+ pitcher this year and a 70 ERA+ pitcher in the last two seasons now.

He might be able to reinvent himself...that's what a 1 year deal is for. Anyone giving him a 2 year deal is an idiot.

If Halladay shows anything at the end of the year in 4-5 starts, I don't see Amaro letting him walk.

Amaro was obsessed with obtaining him in the first place and I can't see him letting him just walk. Just a matter if the Phils have the dollars to sign him and upgrade the offense which I am sure Amaro is going to try to do too with a bat at C or the OF.

He'll chase him round the moons of Nibia, and round the Antares Maelstrom and round Perdition's flame before he gives him up.

If Halladay shows anything at the end of the year in 4-5 starts, I don't see Amaro letting him walk.

Amaro was obsessed with obtaining him in the first place and I can't see him letting him just walk. Just a matter if the Phils have the dollars to sign him and upgrade the offense which I am sure Amaro is going to try to do too with a bat at C or the OF.

Prediction: Rube will resign Ruiz and point to his recent surge as proof he's not finished...and he'll go with Ruf in RF next year.

Only a few moves away guys.

Khaaaaaaaaaannn!

Why is Amaro interested in Bernadina? I guess the Phils could use a LH OF bat but then again I have no idea why MiniMac and Mini-Mart are both currently on the roster either.

What if it turns out that Sandberg is the guy who has been vouching for Mini-Mart all along?

***Why is Amaro interested in Bernadina?***

Why is the moth interested in the flame...

NEPP - If Chooch can be had on a one-year deal at less than he is making now or similar amount ($5M), he is the guy I want back here.

I do think he could rebound to what he was offensively in '11 (.280/.360/.390) next year and be a 2-3 WAR player.

It would be a good value signing and not tie the Phils long-term with yet another 3 or 4-year deal for a guy entering his 30s.

Last year's off-season plan came down to: If Howard, Halladay & Utley stay healthy . . ."

The 2013-2014 off-season plan will be: If Howard, Halladay & Utley stay healthy & Ruiz and Rollins Bounce Back to career norms . . .

***What if it turns out that Sandberg is the guy who has been vouching for Mini-Mart all along?***

Ah hah!!! It was Sandberg behind the stage in the donkey club with the camera!!!

Mini Mart was just a patsy!!!

"What if it turns out that Sandberg is the guy who has been vouching for Mini-Mart all along?"

Then he won't be the guy managing here next year. I still don't think Sandberg is anywhere near the lock some people seem to think at this point. In fact, I think the team is going to have to play above .500 the rest of the way for him to be a strong consideration to be named manager.

Wow. A Star Trek II reference. /slow clap

***If Chooch can be had on a one-year deal at less than he is making now or similar amount ($5M), he is the guy I want back here. ***

I have no real objection to that...I tend to suspect that Rube will be under orders to cut payroll again and not sign any major FAs to 4-5 year deals. Thus, I see another go-small effort by him along those lines.

Next year is going to be a $hitty year pretty much regardless (.500 or so at best).

The worst thing Amaro could do for the franchise this offseason is make a couple of really stupid multi-year signings to guys entering their 30s.

Prediction. Tigers lose early in the playoffs then Leyland is let go and he finally ends up with the Phillies job he wanted 10 years ago.

With all the Rollins talk as of late, does anyone else get the feeling he might be traded in the offseason? I admit it's pretty flimsy as I don't know what goes on in the clubhouse, but singling him out on a team of underperformers is quite strange.

"The worst thing Amaro could do for the franchise this offseason is make a couple of really stupid multi-year signings to guys entering their 30s. "

Boot 'em, Danno!

I have no problem bringing Chooch back on a team-friendly 2 year deal. Prior to this suspension/injury shortened season, he had a 3-season stretch with an OPS+ of 127 and is widely regarded as a strong defensive catcher who calls a good game.

***Wow. A Star Trek II reference. /slow clap***

I was gonna do a jpg of Khan as well but I was being lazy.

Does Rube do one year contracts? Because other than Delmon Young, I don't think I've ever seen him negotiate a one year contract for a position player. Yeah, he has done the occasional one year contract for a washed up reliever, but even then, he often goes multi-year with disastrous results.

I will be incredibly surprised if he offers Chooch a one year contract. Although, that's exactly what he should offer Chooch. And if somoene swoops in with a multi year offer, then waive goodbye.

The current active 25-man roster includes, by my count, 12 guys who didn't start the season on a major-league roster (or disabled list/suspension). I wonder if that's the most in baseball. Here is the list:

Cloyd
DeFratus
Diekman
Garcia
Jimenez
Martin
Miner
Rosenberg

Asche
Mini-Mart
Ruf
Wells

Somehow John McDonald made an opening-day major league roster (Pirates), but we're his 3rd team of the season and he spent time in AAA as well this year. By any measure, he's barely a major leaguer.

KAS - Chooch seems to have really declined behind the plat this season. Balls he used to block are sailing to the backstop with regularity. He is no longer a top defensive catcher at this point.

Yeah, he's really lacked focus behind the plate.

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