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Thursday, August 29, 2013

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I gotta rest up my johnson. Them Chicago hoes are a whole lotta work.

I seriously think we might not make the playoffs at this rate.

Split the series which is about what I expected.

Just hope the Martin charade as a starter ends. He's been terrible as a starter this month (6 GS, 21 1/3 IP, 2-2, 6.33 ERA, 1.82 WHIP, 9.7 K/9, 5.5 BB/9, 1.8 K/BB).

No reason Cloyd shouldn't be in the rotation over Martin for the remainder of the season. Cloyd at least gives the team a chance to go 6 IP. Martin just runs out of gas by the 3rd/4th and gets pounded.

As for M. Young/Frandsen at the top of the order, please let's not see that again.

Took a collective 0fer today (0-7 with 2 Ks) and are these two are now a brutal to bring them to a collective 24-137 (.175) in August with just 5 XBHs (0 HRs) and 7 BBs/23 Ks.

Yeah I get it the team stinks and Sandberg is hard pressed to roll out even 4 MLB-caliber starters everyday. Still this team does things that are so mind-numbingly stupid like putting M. Young-Frandsen 1-2 in the order that it just is hard to fathom at times.

I expected that from Cholly. It was just how he was but I was hoping we would get a bit of change with Sandberg.

*MG: "Yeah I get it the team stinks and Sandberg is hard pressed to roll out even 4 MLB-caliber starters everyday."


THIS.

As for M. Young/Frandsen at the top of the order, please let's not see that again.


I read this as Young Frankenstein.

Martin's strike/ball ratio was 56/30 and for him, that's not going to cut it.

Make him a reliever.

Carlos Torres? Another pitcher possessed by the spirit of Cy Young! Geez.

Guys, I'm starting to think these pitchers aren't that good and it might just be that the Phillies offense is bad...

Need to do more research into this

Nah...these guys are just all on their game the day they play us. Nothing else it could be. Just our bad luck to run into them on their on-days.

Moss still raking.....

It's mostly just bad timing / luck. The fact that the Mets are like the 13th team to score 10+ on them (and that the Phils have done that maybe 3X) says nothing.

2014 BULLPEN
Pap
Adams
A-list acquisition
Bastardo
Sagacious B-list acquisition
Diekman
Martin

DEPTH
DeFratus
Rosenberg
Aumont
And the usual suspects

They are just wasting their time using Martin as a starter.

He's never going to be a major league starter. He MAY be a major league reliever. He's got the arm and the strikeout stuff to be a 1-2 inning bullpen guy.

Start playing for 2014 already and put the kid in the pen in September. This isn't that hard people.

And if Pete Orr or John McDonald get more then 3 AB's in September, somebody needs to get fired. Another complete waste of everyone's time.

Add Young to that list, denny.

I fully agree with the consensus that Martin's future (if he has one) is in the bullpen. I am, however, concerned about that 5.5 BB/9 ratio in both the majors & minors. Even in a bullpen role, he's going to have a hard time finding sustained success with that kind of walk rate. Now maybe his high walk rate is because he gets tired & his walk rate goes way up in the later innings; I haven't done the analysis because I don't know how to find minor league splits. But if he's walking 5.5 batters per 9 innings even in his first inning or two, his conversion to the bullpen may not go nearly as smoothly as many seem to expect.

I get lefty/righty splits, and trying to play matchups when constructing lineups, but for a team that's already waving the white flag on the season and, presumably, building for next year, the last couple of days had me scratching my head to see starting lineups with Orr over Ruf in LF (yesterday) and Young over Asche at 3B Tuesday, in the midst of Asche on a tear. The continued misuse of Young/Frandsen at 3B is confusing and the batting order is a head scratcher.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for "something different," and trying something new, but I'm struggling to see what the desired outcome is here.

I'd like September to provide a little bit more clarity toward what we're trying to achieve going into next season.

Unless you enjoy watching the Phillies lose, Bernadina's HR was nothing to cheer about. Sub-replacement level players stick around far too long on this ball club, in no small part due to otherwise meaningless moments such as that.

Also, I'm all for the Phillies acquiring Young Frankenstein & batting him leadoff.

Well, next season, ostensibly, Howard and Revere will be back.

But will they make THAT much difference?

Will Asche for an entire year at 3B make a difference (assuming he makes the cut)?

Where will Ruf play, if at all?

The potential line up could be:

Revere
Utley
Ruf
Howard (cuz they won't do anything else)
Brown
Rollins
Chooch
Asche

even though is ought to be:

Revere
Utley
Ruf
Brown
Chooch
Howard
Asche
P
Rollins

I'm not down on Jimmy on a personal level, the way some here are, and he did carry a decent OPS through the beginning of June, but since then he's been a .236 .290 .293 hitter, and that speaks for itself.

Unless he picks it up he doesn't belong at the top of the order. Period.

awh: Just wait. The Phillies will send Ruf down again, & hand Bernadina the RF job.

" I haven't done the analysis because I don't know how to find minor league splits."


bap, here's the best I can do:

http://minorleaguecentral.com/player?pid=543495&split=3000

GTown, that's why I call them "rat's":

r 00b a nd t he FOol s

I wish I knew how to "bold" the text in html, so I could highlight the r a t s: "r"00b "a"nd "t"he FOol"s"

"Unless you enjoy watching the Phillies lose, Bernadina's HR was nothing to cheer about. Sub-replacement level players stick around far too long on this ball club, in no small part due to otherwise meaningless moments such as that."

The 2013 list begins with

mini mart
mini mac
bernadina

and a whole host of others:

Wells
Carerra
Nix...

I really don't want to look them all up. It's too depressing.

The "rat's" need to do a better job.

Among other things, GTown obviously doesn't know what 'replacement level' means.

I still do not think Revere is a good leadoff hitter but he probable deserves more ABs than rest of the bottom of the order.

Rollins has really been bad. I wonder what Sandberg has in store for him.

Ruiz keeps making himself more expensive in the off season... Phillies should limit his time but unfortunately it appears that Rupp being injured may not let that happen.

2014: Utley, Ruiz, Brown, Ruf/Hart, Howard/Mayberry, Asche/Frandsen, Rollins, Revere, Pitcher
though I guess Rollins could be in any of the bottom 4 spots.

It all comes down to talented ballplayers. Charlie didn't have enough, Sandberg doesn't have enough and Ruben didn't supply enough.

Before we banish Ethan Martin to the gulag that’s the Phillies’ bullpen, can we at least take a peak at what’s in store for 2014?

• Doc (nothing left to say)
• Cliff Lee (on the threshold of his age 35/36 season; anything can happen)
• Cole Hamels (if he stops stomping around when things go wrong…)
• Kyle Kendrick (G O N G : : :)
• Pettibone (hurt)
• Cloyd (hmm…)

Happy birthday to Cliff Lee, who turns 35 tomorrow. Good luck Cliff.

Regardless, the list of bullets above might be largely ‘out of bullets’; why not try to get Martin to learn a 3rd pitch, and kick his training up a notch? Too many here have noted that bullpen throwers are ‘fungible’; why not give Martin every chance to start?

For position players, its amazing that the roster is this bad, yet so nearly locked in for 2014.
SS and C are two positions where the Phils could maybe look toward moving on. But, from within or from the outside, there are very few viable options.

Brett Myers released today. Let's put the band back together RAJ. sign Myers and Madson

Theres nothing wrong with giving Ethan Martin a handful of starts to end the season. You are not delaying his development as a reliever by letting him start 6-7 games.

OK so he looks like a reliever, thats fine. It was worth the risk giving him a shot.

"Let's put the band back together RAJ. sign Myers and Madson"

THIS

Double down, Mr. Amaro.

LorecorE (c'mon man) - wanted to make that point. There is nothing to be lost or gained by letting Martin start for the balance of '13? Maybe we expose the bullpen. That's a good thing, especially since we'll finally be in the month where these minor leaguers are supposed to be with the big club.

*nothing to be gained by putting him in the bullpen. I guess, unless you're concerned that he's pushing his arm too far, this year.

Martin started because the Phils ran out of warm bodies after Lannan went back on the shelf and Pettibone was essentially out for the year.

I don't have any problem w/ Martin starting. The more experience he has facing MLB batters, the better. Shifting him to the bullpen is a move that can be made at any time.

Depending on how well they recover from their respective injuries, I'd slot Lannan (if he's signed thru 2014... he is, right?) and Pettibone above Martin as starters next year. I'm sure we'd still see plenty of him, in that case, since I can't help but think that we'll see plenty of our 6th starter next year. This is all assuming we sign Zombie Roy Halladay on an incentive laden contract next year, which is the literally one of the most predictable events of all time, right up there with Romney losing and Doritos Loco Tacos becoming a huge hit.

I'm also assuming that we don't sign any free agent pitcher over $5-7m per year, which might be a dicier proposition.

I have a feeling Halladay's playing in someplace like Detroit, in 2014.

This is all assuming we sign Zombie Roy Halladay on an incentive laden contract next year, which is the literally one of the most predictable events of all time, right up there with Romney losing and Doritos Loco Tacos becoming a huge hit.

This is one of the best things I have ever read on Beerleaguer.

Trade Howard, eat half of his contract.

Live mas!

Ruben, get some major-league talent or go home! All the rest is B.S.

Franco dinger

Franco never walks, but he also doesn't seem to strike out much, and is crushing the ball.

AAA will be a good test for him next year, because he will likely encounter more experienced junkballers who will make him take walks instead of giving him stuff to hit.

Still nice to see someone at a position of need crushing it though, at a young age.

"Brett Myers released today. Let's put the band back together RAJ. sign Myers and Madson

Posted by: docjoe"

Blanton should be DFA'd any day now, and I'm sure Moyer is in shape and ready to pitch for anyone who will give him a job.

glanville, I hear Clay Condrey is available, and tht Tom Gordon wants to come back to face his son.

then Flash better sign a milb deal.

Tom Gordon: 2 years, $8 million...with a 3rd year vesting option for another $4 million.

And, they oughta bring back Chad Durbin. He had an ok season in Atlanta last year...

BAP: In Martin's major league starts, he has issued 5 walks in 15.2 IP in the innings 1-3.

He has issued 9 walks in 9.1 IP in innings 4-6.

So yeah, it's more of an issue for him the later he goes in games.

I also am fine with him starting for now, getting him more experience. But everyone should recognize, at this point, what he is going to be in the future: a reliever.

Therefore, Rube will try to make him a starter in 2014 too.

And I should note: I think Martin is actually going to be a good reliever. The fact that he made it to the majors to start a few games puts him a level above the crap like Rosenberg, Schwimmer, etc., all of whom were made relievers way earlier in the minors.

The last guy to come up and make some starts for the Phils as a rookie and then get switched to the pen because his stuff played better there was Bastardo, who also happens to be the only decent reliever the Phillies have produced in the last 5-6 years.

"In Martin's major league starts, he has issued 5 walks in 15.2 IP in the innings 1-3.

He has issued 9 walks in 9.1 IP in innings 4-6."

But I'd be curious to see his minor league splits, as it's a much larger sample size.

I have been totally on board with starting Martin up to now. But I do think there's something to be said for moving him to the bullpen this year. It's not actually a foregone conclusion that he can succeed in that role. It would be nice to get a look-see because it could affect our off-season planning.

"I felt pretty decent in almost every start," said Martin, who allowed four hits and three runs. "It's just that when I get to that 60-pitch mark, I kind of struggle. I have to get to where I can sit back and get through there. Hopefully I can get to that point this year."

Read more at
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20130830_Mets_rock_Phillies__Martin__11-3.html

*** "It's just that when I get to that 60-pitch mark, I kind of struggle. I have to get to where I can sit back and get through there. Hopefully I can get to that point this year."
***

Fortunately for him, relievers almost never throw 60 pitches.

***It would be nice to get a look-see because it could affect our off-season planning.***

It'd also be interesting/important to see how his stuff ramps up in short outings. He might be a guy that can sit 96-97 mph in 1-2 inning bursts and that sets up his secondary offerings better too.

KK: "I want to be here. I feel like I haven't pitched horrible enough to be gone."

Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20130830_Phillies_Notebook__Decision_due_soon_on_Kendrick.html#TKdTHd5Msgw5FMgc.99

Martin has the stuff to be a top-of-the-rotation starter, as reflected by his 9 Ks yesterday. He was starting to figure things out this year at AAA and just needs more time to develop better command and durability. Take him over Kendrick right now. Not sure he has the versatility to make it in the pen.

SPs need to be able to throw 100-120 pitches every 5th day. A guy that self-admits that he struggles after 60 pitches and who we all witness struggily mightily after 80 pitches is, by definition, not a starting pitcher regardless of his Stuff.

"With a young guy like that, this is late in the year for him," Sandberg said. "He hadn't really experienced the number of innings and the number of pitches that he's thrown. That's taken effect on him a little bit, but, you know, it was quality for three [innings] and he hit a wall after the fourth."

Cardinals acquire John Axford from Brewers

Another guy we could have got for cheap. Wonder what this season looks like if Ben doesn't get injured.

We are 15 games out instead of 19?

KK: "I feel like I haven't pitched horrible enough to be gone"

A ringing self endorsement right there.

KK followed it up by stating, "I mean, look at some of these other guys...I mean, they're just terrible. I think a couple of them were bagging groceries last winter. I don't even know half their names yet. Seriously, I haven't been that bad, have I? It's hard to even remember anything with this damned migraine. It just hurts so much and the pills Doc Ciccotti gave me aren't doing anything anymore...God, the pain!"

"I feel like I haven't pitched horrible enough to be gone"

That sentence actually encapsulates the philosophy that will guide RAJ throughout the coming off-season. The 2013 Philadelphia Phillies: not horrible enough to break up.

Just saw a replay of Bernadina's jack. Pretty sweet. They probably weren't pitching him carefully and put something in his wheelhouse, but it still was pretty.

KK, you know what will make you feel better? How bout a 5 year extension at 11.5 mil a season? Come on in and sign today.

"I feel like I haven't pitched horrible enough to be gone."

Now that is funny stuff. Of course, if that standard of excellence was applied across the board, they couldn't field a team this afternoon.

If KK gets tendered at say, $7.5M - would he be tradable?

If the answer is no, then I don't think he is worth tendering.

KK SHOULD be non-tendered, but I have absolutely no expectation that it will happen.

Quintin Berry traded to Red Sox.

in terms of arbitration, Phil Hughes and Kyle Kendrick are very comparable. Win/loss, IP, GS, relievers, ERA, WHIP are all very close.

Hughes will be a FA this year after getting 7.2M in his final arb year. KK is a year older and has a tad edge in wins/ip, so a little bit above $7.2M should be his number most likely.

He and Hughes would be the only FA SP under the age of 30 if he was to be non tendered.

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