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Tuesday, August 20, 2013

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NEPP - I doubt he is even interested in such a role, but as a platoon/bench player the Phillies could do a lot worse than Michael Young.

Why not just bump Rollins down to 8 and move everyone up a spot in the lineup?

Wouldn't that make a little more sense at this point.

Can we bring back the Ruin Tomorrow Jr. nickname? That one doesn't get enough usage.

Three in a row! It's like a dream.

Was 'Ruin Tomorrow Jr.' coined on Beerleaguer, like Mini-Mart?

NEPP, if Young is willing to come back in a bench role{.271 .334 .393, 101 OPS+ this year], and you don't favor that, who's your alternative?

(I think we'd all LIKE someone who is better, but who's available who'll sign in Philly?)

Repost:

"Hmm...nothing like an aging veteran who can't play defense and whose bat is rapidly fading."


NEPP, tru dat, but who's the alternative?

That's how you have to judge these things - not by arbitrarily dismissing a player's skill level, but by comparing it to an available alternative - who will sign with you.

MYoung is at .271 .334 .393, 101 OPS+.

So, if he's a bench option, a part-time RH platoon option for Howard at 1B, an emergency replacement in other IF areas, and he's used primarily as a PH, then maybe he's better than the other options?

For instance, do you thing mini mart or Mini Mac can put up that slash line?

Who else in MLB can do that?

Now, I'm not saying he's necessarily going to repeat that next season, but it's what you have to go by right now.

So, I think we'd agree, in that we'd both like an option who plays defense a little bit better, but who's going to be available as a BENCH player - who'll sign in Philly?

Rollins Since 1 July:

164 PA, .213 AVG/.252 OBP/.535 OPS, 8 XBH (1 HR)

That's our leadoff hitter. Just awesome.

Since 1 June:

280 PA, .237 AVG/.291 OBP/.579 OPS, 10 XBH (1 HR)

Seriously, that's our leadoff hitter.

I like "r00b Amoron" too.

I seriously doubt Young has much interest in coming back in such a role nor would we want to pay him what he feels he's worth. He seems like the kind of guy who will just retire at the end of the season unless he can get a starting role in a town he wants to live in.

Frency has been DFa'ed again. I'd 100% take him over Casper, Roger, Pr Mini.

awh: The folks who want a bunch of these guys gone have no clue who they'd be able to replace them with. Only one thing is certain: If the replacements are lousy (which they will be) the bitching from the Moronocracy will be even louder.

Rollins is our Leadoff Hitter™.

Not just anyone can hit there.

Kyle Kendrick will sign a 3-year contract in the $8M-$10M per year range.

clout, did you want M. Young back next year?

If so, how much did you want to commit to him salary-wise?

Puig fined for clocking in late. Also benched.

With Delmon gone, can we refer to Michael as 'Young' or is the M. still needed?

***Kyle Kendrick will sign a 3-year contract in the $8M-$10M per year range.***

Seems like it might be a mistake given his issues this year. It'll probably happen though.

How many running non-catches and near collisions will Dom make tonight?

We need to honor D.Young's greatness by not forgetting him...that means continuing to use M.Young going forward.

Important question: Does Tyler Cloyd count as having two first names? I don't see why not - I could easily see someone being named Cloyd Tyler.

Discuss.

Conway - This may have also had something to do with Puig's benching

Maybe our pitchers would have better control if they didn't have those big ropes flopping around their necks. That has to be distracting.

LA disgusted at the bad baserunning and begging Franzke to come up with a reason Fowler didn't slide.

Thank you, Dexter.

We may not win 3 in a row.

"The folks who want a bunch of these guys gone have no clue who they'd be able to replace them with. Only one thing is certain: If the replacements are lousy (which they will be) the bitching from the Moronocracy will be even louder."


clout, exactly.

Well, the winning streak was great while it lasted.

NEPP - I hear Ruf wanted to wear #3, like his hero Babe Ruth, but the Phillies informed him that the number will be retired in honor of the great Delmon Young.

The first problem with re-signing Michael Young to be a utility/platoon player is that a utility player is supposed to play multiple positions. Young plays only one and he plays it terribly. And a .725 OPS is not nearly good enough to make up for his appallingly bad defense.

The second problem with re-signing Michael Young to be a utility/platoon player is: would any rational person actually trust the Phillies to use him in that fashion? At the first sign that Asche/Franco/Whoever is slumping, Michael Young would become your starting third baseman.

Winning streaks are overrated anyway.

Why exactly am I supposed to care if the replacement for Michael Young stinks over the next 35 games?

Are the Phillies competing for a playoff spot or something? Have I been living in an alternate universe the last two months?

Matt Gelb: ‏"The radar gun at FirstEnergy Park, which is typically functional, has for some reason stopped working with Roy Halladay on the mound."

awh: I don't know if Cody Asche can be a major league starter or not but I think it would serve the Phillies interests far more to find out than it would to re-sign Michael Young. Even if that means downgrading in what is inevitably going to be another miserable season anyhow.

That's because Doc was throwing so hard, he broke it.

No other reason they'd try to hide it.

A Dom Bomb would be helpful here.

I would love Michael Young as a super-sub in a perfect world. In real-Phillies-world, if Michael Young is on the roster, the Phillies will do things as silly as play Darin Ruf in RF in order to get Young's veteran presence into the lineup.

BAP - When you're done with Jack's crystal ball, I'd like to borrow it.

Roger Bernadina? His .178 average will make a nice platoon with Casper's .063 as a Phillie.

Jesus, Sarge and TMac need to stop talking about last night's balk before I start stabbing my ears.

Cloyd sucks again. Good timing.

Turns out righties with 86 mph fastballs get hit around in the majors.

And in the Minors.

Matt Gelb: ‏"Halladay not sharp. Threw 33 pitches (19 strikes) in 2 innings. A few groundball singles. Resembles same pitcher from earlier in '13."

Shocking.

Clout we replaced Young with Asche. Everyone knew who his replacement on the team would be. Young is a bench player who is limited defensively here if he comes back next year. Will he want to do that, I don't know, but the phillies would have the same opportunity to sign him to that role as any other team as he is a FA.

***"Halladay not sharp. Threw 33 pitches (19 strikes) in 2 innings. A few groundball singles. Resembles same pitcher from earlier in '13."***

Yeah but he's overthrowing so much that he broke their radar gun. IF he pulls it back to 94-95 mph instead of 101-102 mph, he'll be painting the corners again.

Anyone want to answer my question about why precisely I should care about whether Michael Young's replacement sucks over the next 35 games?

The Phillies' apparent disdain for the concept of strength & conditioning baffles me. Players coming off of injury need to regain those things before they begin worrying about throwing, hitting, etc. And what's the rush, anyway?

"And what's the rush, anyway?"

When you're only 2.5 games out of third place, sometimes you need to push the envelope a little.

A tip youur hat night

The Phillies have always had a reputation as great tippers...its the courteous thing to do really.

Juan is hilarious..."Yeah, he's Dominican...you don't come off that island walking, you come off swinging"

I'm glad we heard so much about how "sharp" and "hot" Cloyd was coming into this start. He"s not a major league starter and his stuff isn't good enough to be a reliever.

He's destined to be a AAA guy whose stuff is good enough to get out the never-has-beens, the never-will-bes and the can't-hit-anymores.

He blows.

"He's destined to be a AAA guy whose stuff is good enough to get out the never-has-beens, the never-will-bes and the can't-hit-anymores."

In other words, he's good enough to no-hit the Phillies.

It amazes me that people think guys like Michael Young (and Mayberry) are assets that would be hard to replace.

This whole idea that it'd be so hard to find a corner infielder under the age of 37 who cant play defense to put up a 100 OPS+ is ridiculous. Freaking Juan Uribe is better than Michael Young at this point. How does this not register in people's minds?

Before Iceman chimes in with his usual charm...

I said weeks ago that the Phils would be better served to see Cloyd as the long man in the pen then Valdes, since Valdes is 90 years old and has no future here. I said "IF" Cloyd has any future in the majors, its as a long man/6th starter-type. Not he "WAS".

It still does the Phils more to see what they have with Cloyd in this sort of role then it does with Grampa Valdes. And if he doesn't do well, then at least you see for yourselves.

Cloyd did pitch reasonably well earlier in the year in Philly. Not tonight though.

Hey, Tyler, you're always welcome in the Blue Jays farm system with Schwimer and me.

pitch #1 to DOM was a 100 "Nasty Factor"

Rally! Daring baserunning by Chooch - and for once, we're safe! (I'm sure it's not the only time, but it sure feels like we've run into a lot of outs.)

lorecore - It's not likely that Juan Uribe registers at all. In any person's mind.

Wow, does this team suck. A "...Juan Uribe is better than..." declaration; in this case, Michael Young. Geesh.

Is Sandberg rubbing off on the other coaches? That was a risky send.

Notwithstanding the result, sending Ruiz home there was silly. 4 times out of 5, he would have been out by 20 feet.

"He's destined to be a AAA guy whose stuff is good enough to get out the never-has-beens, the never-will-bes and the can't-hit-anymores."

In other words, he's good enough to no-hit the Phillies.

Posted by: bay_area_phan | Tuesday, August 20, 2013 at 07:52 PM


This made me laugh, BAP. It was either that or cry.

dennyb assured us that Cloyd was a lock to be an improvement on the non-MLB starter he has been his entire career. Imagine my surprise that he is still not a major league pitcher.

GBrett: Phils are 7th in the league in most outs made on basepaths during a batting event(i.e. not counting pickoffs/caught stealing) with 44. League Average is 41.

(I really wasn't going to say anything unless denny tried to defend him)

Last time Cloyd was brought up, he was kinda sucking in AAA but pitched okay in the Majors...then he went back down and sucked again. Then he turned it around, pitched well in the Minors and has come up to get hammered.

Odd.

Nice inning.

Saw this one the other day in case anyone is looking for something to read while our bullpen explodes in the later innings:
http://articles.philly.com/2013-08-16/sports/41414758_1_charlie-manuel-phillies-coaching-staff-strike-zone

Jake: They replaced the windmill at 3B with last year's windmill.

Iceman - I believe denny is saying that Cloyd is a better option than Valdes, especially since the Phillies are auditioning for 2014. Do you disagree w/ that?

Iceman - It's one freaking start and aren't the Phils better served to see if Cloyd might be a suitable long reliever than sticking with a retread like Valdes at this point?

Obviously, I'd rather have a long-man who is better than both Cloyd & Valdes, but between the 2 of them, I'd rather see Cloyd get his reps in garbage time.

Jake- I think Cloyd will make about as big of an impact on an MLB team as Mayberry. That is, I don't think theres enough of a difference between who they have now and Cloyd to give a sh*t about it.

I don't think people realize how minimal some of these 'upgrades' are that they are quibbling over. Are we really dumb enough to think that one of the missing pieces to this team getting back on track is freaking Tyler Cloyd pitching the 5th-6th innings of blowouts? Who cares? Tyler Cloyd is barely an MLB player. The team needs more players that actually have a modicum of talent. I couldn't give a good god damn if they dumped Cloyd on the street tomorrow and the organization wouldn't be worse off for it either.

MG- you're right. This team is two or three Tyler Cloyd's away from turning this ship right around.

Btw, it isn't just this start. Watch the guy pitch. He's a bottom-rung major leaguer at best.

Iceman - Yeah, these decisions are mostly inconsequential, but MLB teams need to make them. What is BL for if not for questioning these decisions?

GBrett: Phils are 7th in the league in most outs made on basepaths during a batting event(i.e. not counting pickoffs/caught stealing) with 44. League Average is 41.

Posted by: lorecore


Thanks for the info, lorecore.

"Who cares?"


Since your panties have been in a wad about it for months, I guess you do.

Cloyd did a nice job of limiting the damage tonight. He at least kept his team in the game.

He should be given the chance to sink-or-swim as a long man/6th starter with a team going nowhere in 2013. See if you have anything for 2014 in this role (and yes, this is a ROLE on every pitching staff in baseball).

As others have already tried to point out to you, this is about 2014 now. With every move the Phils make, it should be about 2014. Which is why the Valdes's and McDonalds's have no place here in the limited roles they have.

From the Lakewood game log:

Hagerstown Top of the 5th

Pedro Severino singles on a fly ball to left fielder Larry Greene. Pedro Severino advances to 2nd, on a fielding error by left fielder Larry Greene.

Stephen Perez out on a sacrifice bunt, catcher Chace Numata to first baseman Art Charles. Pedro Severino scores.

Severino scored from 2nd on a sac bunt?

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2013_08_20_hagafx_lwdafx_1&t=g_log&sid=t427

"Iceman - Yeah, these decisions are mostly inconsequential, but MLB teams need to make them. What is BL for if not for questioning these decisions?"

Posted by: Jake | Tuesday, August 20, 2013 at 08:30 PM

Since the All-Star break, it's basically a suicide hotline for Phils fans. You know, helps to have someone to talk to about it.

"Cloyd did a nice job of limiting the damage tonight. He at least kept his team in the game."

5 runs in 5 innings is a nice job of limiting the damage?

"Pedro Severino advances to 2nd, on a fielding error by left fielder Larry Greene."

Sounds like this Greene dude is about ready to join the big club.

Denny- no need to get all chapped about it. You are the one who has been whining and crying for months that this is a move that needs to happen. All I've said to you is that it will make no damn difference in the long-run if Cloyd is on this team or not. And it won't.

He'd be an improvement over Valdes? No sh*t. Valdes is probably one of the worst ten pitchers to pitch in the MLB this year.

Papelbon, thanks for the link to the article about how seldom this team walks.

BAP- well, it's less than the damage Valdes would have done. That's what he means, I think.

One can only wonder how many runs Cloyd would give up facing Detroit.

***One can only wonder how many runs Cloyd would give up facing Detroit.****

Infinity.

denny b - Iceman is just being a fool here. This is a lost season, the Phils aren't going to have a ton of bucks to spend this offseason, and yeah they should see how Cloyd does out of the pen as a long man/reliever the rest of the year & if he will be in the mixture possibly next spring for a roster spot.

Same with Asche starting everyday at 3B regardless of how is on the mound.

Jim Salisbury: "Halladay is done for the night. 6 IP, 7 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 3 BB, 4 K. He threw 90 pitches, 52 strikes. Ave FB was 87, touched 89 early.

In short, Halladay does not look ready."

Apparently someone found a radar gun.

GTown Dave - That is a pretty high-tech gadget. Phils are more of a 'paper and pencil' organization.

Wasn't his average FB 85 mph last start? At least he's inching up.

I said 2-3 more rehab starts minimum for Doc after his last one...Still think I'm on the mark there.

The only reason I would favor Cloyd staying on the roster is if there was a reliever at AA/AAA who was more deserving of a look.

The Phils have literally run out of relievers to call up after they called up C. Jimenez. It has gotten that pathetic/desperate.

Not staying on the roster.

I was going to comment on how I'm surprised someone appeared to be rooting against Halladay, but then I realized that the person doing so is a rodeo clown that roots against the Phillies to begin with.

Robles hasn't managed to be called up.

MG- how much of a difference do you think Cloyd makes over Valdes in the course of a 162-game season?

that's twice now i would have liked to see ruf up there instead of young.

Iceman - That's not the point. The point is Valdes almost certainly won't be here next year (nor will a guy like Garcia) and the Phils would be better off seeing what Cloyd does for the remainder of the year.

I'd rather Ruf see every single AB that Young would ever possibly see.

Hey Iceman - John Mayberry Jr. has 9 HR. In 300 PAs. He's got an OPS+ of 94.

Paul, er Ben Revere has 0 HR in his professional career. And an OPS+ of 92. And a broken ankle; and no evidence of ML ability to throw a baseball; and scant evidence he can go back on a ball hit over his head.

Just sayin'. It's a full moon tonight, and I wanted to get snarky.

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