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Tuesday, August 13, 2013

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Not even trying to be a jerk, but they really should take away the "Alternative Viewpoints" phrase from the page header.

Also, Ruf better have a good game tonight. This slump makes me sad.

With Delmon Young gone, Medlen has to feel a lot better facing this lineup.

Can Ethan Martin pitch past the 5th?

So, pretty much Rollins, Young, Utley and the 2012 Lehigh Valley Iron Pigs*? Nice! Cholly isn't even being subtle about his tanking anymore.

*Wells would likely have been there if around last year...

I'll be surprised if they don't start giving Utley plenty of nights off throughout the rest of the season as well.

WP-- What would your starting lineup be if the Phillies weren't "tanking"?

I don't think that's our lineup when we're trying to lose. I think that's just our lineup.

>>> Not even trying to be a jerk, but they
>>> really should take away the "Alternative
>>> Viewpoints" phrase from the page header.

They should also remove the banners at the very top, which were originally celebratory. But these are just cosmetic issues.

Functionally, though, the left sidebar still links to stats from the 2012 team. I remember hoping they'd be changed in the first week of the season, but alas, it appears the staff monkeys appointed to curate the blog don't use its features (or read its comment boards).

How is it just cosmetic? When is the last time you saw an "Alternative Viewpoint" in a BL header?

I think the "alternative viewpoints" means us.

Oh I thought it meant the blog content. Carry on.

Interested to see if Martin can keep his fastball velocity up past 2 innings. So far he has had a pronounced dip by the 3rd inning in each start.

Why do you people keep polluting the threads by engaging with Jake? You think he's an idiot- fine...just move the fvck along and be done with him then instead of mucking up this place for the rest of us.

Also, on BL as a whole right now I think you are seeing a few things:

1.) JW ran Beerleaguer as his own little project and he parlayed that (plus his other experiences) into a job with Comcast. The conglomerate now owns the site and it doesn't get the attention it did from JW. The thing is this- as much as we loved JW and his insight and hard work, a big part of what made this site click was the dialogue between posters on here. Even when it got contentious and name calling laden it still was sophisticated. All the other things people hate now have always been here. What we have now are common Internet trash polluting the site and the people who should know better just continually engage them and drive the website further down the rabbit hole. I mean people have spent days now debating whether it is better to tank the season or not...seriously!

2.) Some of the common posters on here were Devil's Advocate type posters (Jack, Fatalotti, BAP) and with the Phillies in the tank there is nothing to play Devil's Advocate about anymore. So they are playing their games elsewhere. Then you had a poster like GTown Dave put on some show about him being done with this team and getting Internet points from people on here and he heads over to the 700 Level to comment. It's all people taking themselves too seriously.

3.) There are a lot of, as Hootie called them, Fairweather Johnson fans out there that have moved on now that the Phillies are in their second year of not being competitive. Remember the names that are still here for when the Phillies are good and people start drifting back.

4.) The Phillies just really aren't good right now which of course is going to drive discussion down.

The banners were added between Feb and April of 2011. What were they celebrating?

"Why do you people keep polluting the threads by engaging with Jake? You think he's an idiot- fine...just move the fvck along and be done with him then instead of mucking up this place for the rest of us."


The irony of this amuses me.

***Oh I thought it meant the blog content.***

It did...

Cyclic: Posted it in the last thread before I realized there was a new one.

Just being preemptive in here.

*** So far he has had a pronounced dip by the 3rd inning in each start.***

How do you spell reliever? M-A-R-T-I-N

He seriously needs to be in the back end of the bullpen.

Maybe once Pettibone and/or Halladay get/s back

"How do you spell reliever? M-A-R-T-I-N"


Absolutely NEPP. When Pettibone returns in a week or so, Martin will head to the pen. And that's where he belongs.

Not a real knock against Martin. He just seems destined to be a bullpenner with the stuff and lack of stamina that he seems to have. Let him air it out for 1-2 innings and see how that works out.

Will be a very important last 50 games for Martin to see if he can be counted on to a possible bullpen piece in 2014.

The Phillies just aren't very interesting right now, so there isn't a whole lot to say. It's hard to say how much of the decline in BL is Comcast-related and how much is related to this Phillies team being the worst and least interesting by far of the Beerleaguer era.

TTI - whats wrong with debating whether a team should tank or not? Not much else to discuss at this point.

Only 2,827 more to catch Cal.

Jake: Because this isn't football where a team can draft an impact guy and slot him in at a spot of need. A higher draft pick doesn't necessarily mean they will take the player that is best at that spot. It just means they hole (x) pick in the draft. A team is going to draft the player that they have ranked at that spot and that will not always match their need.

The only thing to really discuss for me as it relates to draft picks is will the Phillies have a protected one. That is all to really care about.

Tanking is for the Pittsburgh Penguins. Frankly, this team right now is bad enough to lose plenty on their own. So what is the use of debating that?

Hopefully we can get some entertaining baseball, in some form, over the final 40 games.

TTI - I agree with you regarding draft picks, but others will disagree.
(that's why people were debating the topic of tanking for a high pick).

Dang, Brown spanked that

Don't much care which pick they get as long as it's a protected one. This draft should be much more deep than the top ten picks.

Ruf hit again. 5 times now in 121 PA this year

3rd on the team for the season now. Behind Frandsen (10 in 167 PA) and Chooch (6 in 207 PA)

Hope Asche doesn't follow in Brown's footsteps, bases loaded wise

I'm a bit surprised that it's only 5--it feels like he gets hit every night.

Mini Mart would have had that

Routine.

He's definitely not getting past the 5th at this rate

Ha, ha. Werth and Gio going at it in the dugout.

#Natitude

Casper's invisible in CF.

Wow. What a pathetic crowd in ATL.

Is Ruf getting hit because the book on him is to jam him with hard stuff and throw soft stuff away?

Or, are pitchers trying to throw him off his game by havng him worry about getting plonked?

Is that the developing book on him?

I would say its people trying to pitch in on him. ^

Isn't that the basic approach to every hitter? Throw fastballs up and in, and offspeed stuff low and away?

How long before Martin's velocity dips and some of these balls end up going out?

Ruf RF blunder... dang

Why is DYak still in RF...oh, wait.

DYak would at least make up for it with his bat ...oh, wait.

Amaro and Charlie must have gone Andy Reids School of putting players in a better position.

Our pitchers ERA should be adjusted downward by at least half a run at the end of the year.

The Phillies defense is just abysmal. One of the worst I've ever seen.

That gets posted every thread.

Should have been playing my patented "no doubles, don't hit it over my head defense."

I'll give credit where it's due: If you'd've told me that we'd make it six games before we had a truly bad-looking play from Ruf in RF, I'd've scoffed at the idea. So that he made it this long was a pleasant.

It was kind of inevitable, though, given who he is and what he's being asked to do. At least it only cost a run and the runner only held to a double.

Er, pleasant surprise.

Surprising that a team of old players and guys playing out of position would have bad defense.

This just shows how bad the Delmon Young signing was. The trickle down effect it caused is disgusting.

Guess I should stop expecting that 2nd half Rollins power surge.

Coming into tonight, he's been even worse in the 2nd half than the first.

.258/.317/.345/.662

and

.241/.276/.349/.625.

That's downright Galvisian. Though I think even his SLG would be higher.

Zach Green won the NYPL's HR derby today.

My cable went out for a bit, but looks like Martin's fastball is already dipping?

Bob-- Yep. 92 on that one. Was up at 94-95 in the 1st/2nd.

It was tragic what happened with that fan last night, but it doesn't mean that they needed to stop selling tickets above the first level.

What's that you say, they didn't?...

How long before Martin's velocity dips and some of these balls end up going out?

Posted by: MG | Tuesday, August 13, 2013 at 07:48 PM

Turns out about 23 minutes.

"How long before Martin's velocity dips and some of these balls end up going out?

Posted by: MG | Tuesday, August 13, 2013 at 07:48 PM"

23 minutes!

Cyclic, JINX!

So he should be a reliever...which means they will try changing his mechanics and convert him into a starter for 2 years before they realize this.

You don't just give up on a pitcher with good stuff like that. Yes, they absolutely should try to make him a starter for two years.

@Corn: Given the strength of our bullpen and the fact that we don't have enough bodies for our starting rotation, it'll be hard to blame them.

...was that sarcasm? strength of the bullpen?

***You don't just give up on a pitcher with good stuff like that. Yes, they absolutely should try to make him a starter for two years.***

Definitely...when you have a guy that might be lights out as a reliever you should try to make him a starter.

Like the Reds tried with Chapman and the Braves were smart enough to avoid with Kimbrel.

Not saying Martin's stuff is up there with either of them but both have similar 2 pitch repertoires that play up significantly in relief.

That's ___ in a row retired by (opposing pitcher)

Wells, Kratz, Martin due up and TMac goes "Phillies offense needs to kick it into high gear when we get back..."

I mean. Come on.

Do they have a "high gear"?

Being the tv guys for the phils has to be the hardest thing since you really can't be negative about the team.

That's ___ in a row retired by (opposing pitcher)

Posted by: Cyclic | Tuesday, August 13, 2013 at 08:22 PM
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After Wells chased that curveball for strike two, I have to wonder why he was DFAed only by five teams this year. Are there really so few for whom that kind of free-swinging is a demotable offense?

Well it's gonna be another easy inning for (opposing pitcher)

Martin can't even make it through the lineup 2 times without a serious dropoff in his velocity and command.

I understand why the Phils have kept him as a starter this year but this offseason they really need to consider moving him to the pen.

I really have no idea why they signed Wells. I don't buy that "cause they have no other CFs". Like position experience matters with this team.

Would have just been better off bringing up Susdorf

@MG: Why put a round peg in a round hole when there's a square one available?

Martin would make a good reliever, especially if he can throw 97mph for one inning. He has enough pitches to start but he can't flame out after 4-5 innings. Let's not forget the massive ego of Ruben Amaro at play here. He traded for Martin, so he'll try to make him the staff ace for the next 5 years, like the way he keeps promoting rule 5 bust Michael Martinez.

^ Seen someone say that on twitter.

Also TY MG.

Corn - ?

We always have good old Chase!

Can we please get a month of Galvis over Rollins. Rollins body language makes Bobby Abreu look like he gave 110%

Utley doing his job.

Great RBI, but Brown didn't have a prayer at a double there. What the eff??

What the hell was Brown thinking there?

Cant even get too mad at Brown there...good to see some hustle and the RBI helps

He was thinking this team can't hit for crap so I am trying to spark some life into the team.

Martin has a chance to stick as a reliever even though his fastball command is a real problem. I would be happy if he stuck at 93-94 with a bit more command than let loose and had almost no control at 97.

I wonder if the Phils have pretty much written off Aumont at this point. He's been nothing short of a disaster at Lehigh since he has been sent down and his numbers overall their the last 3 years have been pretty shaky. Maybe with Dubee out of the picture they give him another look next year in spring training but his lack of command is ridiculous.

That's one way to kill a two-out rally before it gains any steam.

At least we won't get shutout.

Jake-- I guess for Brown, that goes as both a clutch hit AND a rally-killing hit.

I think their pitching development is the problem. Too much flip flopping and messing with mechanics.

Kevin - Be careful what you wish for.

You can't keep putting a starter out there that gives you barely 5 innings.

Not with this bullpen.

4.1 IP
5.0 IP
5.0 IP

so far for Martin.

Worley-esque

***Maybe with Dubee out of the picture they give him another look next year in spring training but his lack of command is ridiculous.***

Dubee has been 100% correct about Aumont. Aumont simply won't listen to the coaches and does his own thing.

Rollins doesn't want to be traded, has one more year under contract and hasn't hit at all this year.. Can he play CF? Samuel made that change, maybe Rollins can, but he should hit 8th, and give a look at Galvis..

@Kevin: That was the old cricket swing

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