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very un-excited about this team right now. Maybe Asche will start tonight.

That's a very fair deal for Utley...team friendly I would say.

I'd imagine the Dodgers would easily top that in the open market with something along the lines of 3/45 all guaranteed.

I've been told M.Young's been dealt to Boston. Trying to confirm.

My sources say....absolutely nothing because I dont have any.

Utley would definitely get more than that on the open market.

I could see him getting a 4th year from a team like LAD...or at least a 4th year vesting option.

That's got to be Fake D Pat. Or he's being ironic and poking fun at himself.

WEDNESDAY: Even the newly-acquired Matt Garza could be in play for the Rangers, tweets Rosenthal. He notes that as they aggressively seek offense, it's not unusual for the Rangers to make creative proposals.

Interesting news. I could only imagine the uproar if Amaro traded a couple top prospects for a SP to bolster the rotation then turned around and traded him 2 weeks later for temporary help in the OF...

NEPP~ Don't shoot the messenger. That's what I've gotten via e-amil. That he should be gone "agreed to a deal with Boston and should be gone within a few hours".

And my response was "for whom?" That's all.

2 years at 13 per with a vesting option for Utley is a great deal for the Phils, and fulfills my wish that he stay a Phillie for life. Yeah, it doesn't help the rebuild, but when it comes to St. Utley I don't really care.

Amaro would drive into a Lake because his Tomtom told him to turn before he could have the foresight to flip a player in multiple deals for a need.

And yes, in 2013 Ruben Amaro still has a Tomtom GPS.

Just teasing, man...

Amaro would drive into a Lake because his Tomtom told him to turn before he could have the foresight to flip a player in multiple deals for a need.

And yes, in 2013 Ruben Amaro still has a Tomtom GPS.

Posted by: lorecore | Wednesday, July 31, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Rube is Michael Scott? That would explain his love for Ryan Howard.

I should have added that Dpat's source confirmed Amaro's tomtom.

Corn: Not every single player on a team has to be young. Brown, Revere, Ruf, Asche, Pettibone are all home grown players that will contribute next year.

nepp: haaa, nice.

Correction: Revere isn't homegrown, but he's 25 and under team control

If a broken GPS would help Amaro, maybe a broken phone isn't the worst thing.

@JimBowdenESPNxm: Dodgers Joc Pederson (teams best OF prospect) is not in AA lineup for Chattanooga today...could the Dodgers have ONE more big move left?

Hmmm

zoowithroy or one of those other self-appointed internet comedians should definitely animate a stick figure episode of the Office with Rube as Michael Scott. Charlie is Dwight. Utley is probably Jim, in true Office fashion Rollins would have to be Stanley. Howard is obviously Howard. Ruf as Kevin. Def could work.

M. Young to LAD for Joc!!!

Right?


Right?

minimart could play all the girl roles.

I'm not super sure about Brown yet, outside of that 19 game may-june stretch where he hit 12HR and had a 1.4OPS he has hit 12hr and a ~.700 OPS in the other 80 games.

Done and done NEPP, just let Colletti know.

Just had to interrupt the serious talk with this amusing Tweet I saw:

MLB Jesus ‏@MLBJesus 27 Jul
SPOILER ALERT: if you do The Wave, your elevator goes Down when you die.

Ruiz the gay hispanic guy. DOM could be NardDog. Delmon fits a few roles, but I hate him too much to even mock so he gets a warehouse job.

Just had to interrupt the serious talk with this amusing Tweet I saw:

MLB Jesus ‏@MLBJesus 27 Jul
SPOILER ALERT: if you do The Wave, your elevator goes Down when you die.

Posted by: GBrettfan | Wednesday, July 31, 2013 at 01:07 PM

This has got to be true. HATE the wave.

actually wait, Hamels is NardDog. DOM can be Darrell. Papelbon is dead ringer for Creed, they even look alike if Paps was 30 years older.

I'm curious on M. Young. Nothing has broken yet, except RAJ's cell phone.

Does anyone think Lee still could get moved?

DPat is back with his sources???? This is the second best deadline ever. It still pales tot eh 2010 one where DPat claimed he had sources and then told us all stuff minutes after the national media types were reporting it.


This is shaping up to be a very boring trade deadline across the league right now.

If I was a AA or AAA manager, I would definitely plan on giving my stars a scheduled off day on July 30 or 31, for fun.

If M Young does go to the Sox today it will be the single greatest day ever on Beer Leaguer. We will all owe DPat an apology cause everything on Twitter says it aint gonna happen. That would be awesome and I hope it happens.

lore - Who's Pam?

Verlander is on the move...he's been traded to my FBB team with two draft picks and Jackie Bradley Jr.


Good Times

Wait, if Mrs Uts is Pam, then he original fiance would be Jayson Werth right?

I am really not that good. Please don't pressure me.

i originally said minimart could play all the girl roles, but i guess Pam would require someone... maybe go Hamels and give Oscar back to Ruiz.

Bautista to Texas to Profar apparently.

From one of my friends who says he saw it on Twitter, not from me or MLBTradeRumors?

I am pissed that Amaro got fleeced with trades in previous years. I am also pissed that Amaro isn't getting fleeced this year. Arrggh!

Why would Boston trade for Young when they can promote Middlebrooks, who has a lot more offensive potential and is a MUCH better defender?

Maybe they'd want him a RH pinch-hitting option off the bench, not as a 3B?

Or maybe to spell Napoli at 1B occasionally due to his hip issues.

chris: because he hit under the mendonza line earlier this year, thats why are in the market for a stopgap.

"Young is unlikely to waive his no-trade clause for anywhere but Texas, hears Scott Lauber of the Boston Herald, while WEEI's Rob Bradford has a source who's not confident Young will accept a trade to any team."

Sweet.

Lauber is a very good beat writer...in Boston and when he was with Delco as a Phillies guy.

Lets not start posting rumors from buddies on Twitter. Who's the 2b in Tex? Why not go for Utley?

I am taking my talents to South Beach.

"As the Rangers expand their search for offense, they've called the Blue Jays about Jose Bautista and Edwin Encarnacion, according to Danny Knobler of CBS Sports (Twitter link). The Blue Jays aren't interested in dealing either slugger, however, Knobler adds."

This is the only thing I've seen about the Bautista to Texas rumor, NEPP.

Wonderful. Phillies are absolutely dreadful this year and we're not going to trade anyone. Hell, not only that that, we're gonna extend our 34-year-old 2B with broken knees. Only Ruben Amaro Jr. could out-Ed Wade Ed Wade...

Lets not start posting rumors from buddies on Twitter. Who's the 2b in Tex? Why not go for Utley?

Posted by: Bedrosian's Beard

Ian Kinsler
Signed thru 2017, 10 yrs/$96.5M (08-17) & 18 team option

Lauber is a very good beat writer...in Boston and when he was with Delco as a Phillies guy.

Posted by: NEPP | Wednesday, July 31, 2013 at 01:25 PM

Agreed...he usually knows what he's talking about.

So standing pat at the deadline 11.5 games out of the division? Nice. Can't wait to "contend" again next year.

So going off all the notes I've seen:

-Young is willing to waive his no trade clause to go to Boston

-Young will not waive his no trace for anyone other than Texas.


Awesome conflicting reports.

Lets not start posting rumors from buddies on Twitter. Who's the 2b in Tex? Why not go for Utley?

Posted by: Bedrosian's Beard | Wednesday, July 31, 2013 at 01:26 PM

I wouldn't normally but he's usually very reliable.

*** Who's the 2b in Tex? Why not go for Utley?***

They've got Kinsler and he's on a long-term deal...and Andrus is entrenched at SS on an 8 year deal. Makes you wonder what they were thinking with Profar sitting in AAA at the time of that Andrus contract.

There are tons of rumors about Profar for Bautista. Apparently, DPat has lots of sources in lots of front offices.

Can anyone explain to me why the Mets are so set on keeping Marlon Byrd?

Profar for Bautista would be a stupid deal...for Texas. He's already declining and he's already 32 years old. His contract is reasonable at 2 years, $28 million remaining with a 3rd year team option at $14 million through 2016 but those are his Age 33-36 seasons.

Profar is worth more than that...hell, Rube would likely give them Lee straight up for Profar.

Can anyone explain to me why the Mets are so set on keeping Marlon Byrd?

Posted by: Chris in VT | Wednesday, July 31, 2013 at 01:34 PM

Because all they need is a 10-15 game winning streak and they're right back in it.

Richard Justice on MLB Network a few minutes ago said Amaro likes the team he has and wants to keep the band together because they're 'getting younger' with Ruf, Brown and Asche.

So basically, it's the worst case scenario. The only thing to root for next year is Amaro getting canned at the end of the year, and even in that event, the rebuild will take a lot longer than anyone hoped.

I am Dpat's source. YESSSSSSHH

***So basically, it's the worst case scenario. The only thing to root for next year is Amaro getting canned at the end of the year, and even in that event, the rebuild will take a lot longer than anyone hope***

So we've determined that Rube is indeed mentally disabled?

Jim Salisbury@JSalisburyCSN

Source: Young would go to Boston as well as Texas bit.ly/1coL7NZ #PhilliesTalk

Amaro sucks.

He doesn't need your "facts" or "evidence." He believes this is a contending team, so it is.

I hate the Jake piling on, but I've got to admit, NEPP's 135 post is hilarious.

"So we've determined that Rube is indeed mentally disabled?"

No. We've determined that Rube is Jake.

I actually think Jack brought up a decent point earlier- we don't know how much ownership is directing what he's doing here. Considering his reputation as a 'yes' man, probably quite a bit. If he's truly just a puppet of ownership, and ownership is telling him 'there will be no rebuild,' it might explain a lot of the stupid stuff he has done and said (the production comment being the notable exception).

Basically, I refuse to think someone who knows so little about baseball was able to become the GM of a baseball team. It's really hard to fathom. I think a lot of this is probably on the owners.

Basically, I refuse to think someone who knows so little about baseball was able to become the GM of a baseball team. It's really hard to fathom. I think a lot of this is probably on the owners.

Posted by: Iceman | Wednesday, July 31, 2013 at 01:41 PM

It's not what you know, it's who you know. The good ol' boy network seems to be in full effect. Which bodes very ill for the future of the Phillies franchise.

Iceman, I agree completely. The ownership has shown unwarranted loyalty to certain players and the management has shown an inability to convince the ownership into going in a different direction. This is on BOTH the owners and Amaro, not just Amaro.

Apparently Boston not interested in M Young.
Don't worry RAJ will find somewhere to park him and get nothing for him.

Happy RAJ likes the team because I really don't want him to make things worth with one of his stupid trades.
Rather we decline (as predicted here) and he leaves or gets canned.

I agree totally.

Some of the BL commenters today appear just as delusional as the Phillies ownership group.

How can anyone solely fault Amaro without knowing exactly how much influence the ownership group has on his decision making?

Maybe they're trying to re-sign Utley because a deal involving Wong+Martinez might be available? Then presumably send Utley to LAD for Pederson...Wong at 2b, Pederson in RF, Martinez in the rotation...and probably some extra prospects to fill out our system.

"Mike Warner Brotherz" made me laugh

solid stuff today on BL, comedy wise. NEPP/lore's office bit was good too

Can anyone explain to me why the Mets are so set on keeping Marlon Byrd?
-
Maybe they want to resign their best power hitter?

Contrary to the philosophy of several BL posters, losing teams don't automatically trade away talent on July 31st like its a bodily function

You're right, Jake. They might fall out of "contention" without Marlon Byrd to anchor their lineup.

If Ian Kennedy can be had for one of Gregerson/Thatcher, then the Phils need to get in on that.

Offer Bastardo to ARZ for Ian Kennedy. He's younger, cheaper, more controllable than Gregerson/Thatcher and has very comparable numbers. Kennedy is great buy low chance, and under control for an extra year longer than Kendrick.

Flip KK, hopefully able to get a younger high upside reliever than bastardo and a position prospect. KK doesn't come with the recognition of Garza/Peavy, but he's only a tier or so below them, and may be one of few remaining SP left that can bolster a club's rotation in 2013

Regarding Utley's extension... I wonder why teams and players don't do de-escalating deals for aging stars.

Hear me out. Say they gave Utley 5 years/$48m guaranteed, and the rates were $15m, $12m, $10m, $7m, $4m. Years 3, 4, and 5 would have bonuses based on performance and playing time that could bump up the salary to $12m, $12m, $9m ($60 total possible if he meets all the standards).

The player gets the benefit of job security over a longer period with the possibility of a big payday if he stays healthy and productive. The team benefits from not overpaying for a player if he gets hurt or his skills fall off and he is moved to a bench role. He is also more marketable as a trade piece if his base salary is lower.

Seems to me to be fair to both sides, but you never hear of such deals taking place.

Word has just come down. Phillies do a sign a trade with Chase Utley and Carlos Ruiz. They sign both to a 4 year extension and trade to the Lakers for AC Green's expiring contract. This move clears up $15 million in cap space and allows them to sign Sam Bowie at the veteran exception.

Funny that the last time the Phils won the series it was with an "outsider" calling the shots for the first time in decades.

They are loyal to a fault as an organization. Players, front office personnel, the broadcast booth - it just permeates the entire organization. Companies fail for the same reasons when they only "grow their own" and never look to the outside for expertise.

Sad times in the Pfiefdom right now. And sadly, no relief in site. We better hope that we strike Gold at a very unlikely rate with our "top" prospects - Hernandez, Ashe, Franco, Biddle and one of Joseph/Valle/Rupp have to basically all emerge as quality players as we just are not going to get help from the outside with RAJ in place.

Either that or we are going to have to field an all-Cuban-defector team as Rueben will be forced to do the only thing he really does well and that is sign checks to acquire talent.

sign and trade, damnit

And Marlon Byrd is definitely the kind of guy you want to build around going forward. I mean, 35 year old guys having fluke years while being a pending FA in 2 months is a guy you hold onto when you're in 4th place and completely out of the playoff hunt.

Chris - Are you an a-hole, or do you have the comprehension skills of a 3 yr old?

***They are loyal to a fault as an organization. Players, front office personnel, the broadcast booth - it just permeates the entire organization.***

The fact that they brought back Ed Wade the moment he lost his job in Houston tells you everything you need to know.

Are those Chris' only choices?

NEPP - Who said anything about building around him?

"Really don't get how Kendrick is not on the move today."


I get it. Kendrick has pitched like a #3 this season.

His ERA is in the top 1/3 of ALL MLB starters (#50T), and he's on track to pitch 204 innings this season, he's #26 in MLB in the percentage of quality starts (67%), only 7 pitchers in MLB have thrown more complete games, 30th in MLB in IP, 24th in NLB in IP/GS (6.5)...

and he should be reasonably cost-controlled next season.

In short, he's exactly the kind of mid-range starter who can stabilize a rotation.

I've posted this before:

They don't grow on trees.

NEPP - I thought the same thing as I was typing that re: Wade

Dallas Green is still an advisor .... I'm mean c'mon man.

Heyman says Yankees still want Michael Young but haven't heard if Young would accept a deal there.

"Heyman says Yankees still want Michael Young but haven't heard if Young would accept a deal there."

Wouldn't now be the time to find out, or should they wait an hour?

I didn't think Amaro would have the cojones to do anything big that was needed by the deadline, but even I thought he would at least trade Mike Young for something.

How can anyone watch this team and think the right move is to bring back the same team next year and do it all over again?

Who doesn't accept a trade to the freaking Yankees?

That's just sad.


@Jake: Why else keep him then? He's a FA in 2 months and he's 35 years old. Its also not as if he's a long-time Met where the fanbase would be upset if you dealt him. You get a decent offer, you move him because you're not bringing him back anyway.

Wait, the Yankees are buyers at 8.5 games back in the best division in baseball?

They must be the worst organization of all time.

Chris - Are you an a-hole, or do you have the comprehension skills of a 3 yr old?

Posted by: Jake | Wednesday, July 31, 2013 at 01:56 PM

Is this an either/or situation? Can I say both?

When Bud Norris is getting the most hype at the deadline, then you have to get KK's name out there.

CLE has Yan Gomes trapped behind Carlos Santana and up and comer Danny Salazar, starting now but likely a power reliever in future (100mph potential). most of their other talent is in low levels.

Jake, they're 3.5 back in the WC race...

But nice try.

Wouldn't now be the time to find out, or should they wait an hour?

Posted by: donc | Wednesday, July 31, 2013 at 02:01 PM

Maybe M. Young's cell phone is busted too...

I'll say this on Michael Young: I do grant that he is a human being and has the choice to go back home to his family, or stay close to his family, or do whatever he needs to do for his family.

But someone needs to explain a few things to me:

1) What is the difference between living anywhere in the northeast when your family is back in Texas? Why is Boston different than Philadelphia?

2) Why can't this guy make up his f'ing mind? If he's all of a sudden going to say 'OK, I'll forget about my family' with 4 hours to go before the deadline, he's an a** for multiple reasons.

These two questions are basically the reason why I can't buy anything we're hearing about refusing trades. Because if it's true, I hope he spends the next two months rotting on the bench because he couldn't make up his mind.

NEPP - I really don't know what the Mets FO is thinking, but its possible they want to resign him, and once you trade a player its harder to lure him back.

***Regarding Utley's extension... I wonder why teams and players don't do de-escalating deals for aging stars.***

The Yankees did that with ARod's deal. He only makes $20 million a year the final 2 years of his deal and $25 and $21 in years prior to that...despite the $27.5 million AAV.

Well, I guess we'll just be in the exact same position next season, a crappy team deciding whether to sell and finally conduct the rebuild that was needed years ago.

Thanks, Rube!

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