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Thursday, May 02, 2013

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"This is a positive or negative sign, depending on how you look at it: Ryan Howard missed another homer by inches, marking his 9th fly ball to the warning track or wall already this season."

Negative.

When will there be a "Player's Only" meeting?

I, for one, mourn the loss of Ender Inciarte. The best that never was...

Negative. Those balls would have been out prior to the Achilles injury.

If I'm an AL team and I only had to pay Howard $5-ish million a year (and no buyout) I might give up a C+ prospect. Baltimore maybe? Nolan Reimold isn't a great DH.

Can we hold the sell-off talk?

I mean, we haven't even been swept by the Nats or Braves yet.

Lots of baseball left.

(not in any way an endorsement of how the Phillies have played so far)

jbird, so the Phillies save $5 M a year and get a prospect who will likely never make an impact at the ML level?

Sure, you do it, but this is why you never ink the contract in the first place.

Nothing like starting your list of positives with "This is a positive or negative sign, depending on how you look at it,"

Anyways, Howard isn't going any any time soon, so we might as well hope that he's still go some really good stretches left in him.

Hey, this is a really good piece of blog-writing. Much appreciated, Corey. This is why we click through!

I hope Rube finds a way to swing a waiver wire deal with Revere to a team in contention in need of a pinch runner.

Howard's contract is moveable only if you also trade a legitimately good player (like Utley or Lee) and still are ok with not getting much back in return, and you probably still wouldn't be able to move all of the deal (Phils would pay some going forward).

I mean, TTI's claim that Howard "still has power" is sort of laughable. Not because he doesn't have power, but because it's completely beside the point. The only GM who thinks it's worth paying $25M a year to a guy who does everything else on the field terribly except for hit for power and PRODUCE is Ruben Amaro.

So the only way Howard could be moved, is if we fire Amaro, and another team hires him, and then we trade Howard to that team.

Aren't pinch runners usually good base runners?

I'll stop after this pne but wanted to clarify - Solid gidp numbers, cool link for Cliff, good dose of indignation, interesting remark on Utley, a little troll poke for Howard. Keep it coming.

jbird: I believe the only way to cancel the buyout would be to guarantee the option at $23M - and then negotiate how much the Phils would need to pay onto of that.

Trade rumor that should happen: Carlos Ruiz to NYY. Cervelli is hurt, and is only a backup type anyway. They also have a good catching prospect that Chooch won't block since he's a FA. And their team is in need of RHB in general, now and the rest of the year.

Yankees have 3 well regarded OF prospects that the Phillies would be wise to target. Mason Williams(20) is likely too much, but he's a CF and further away.

Slade Heathcott(22) is a lefty with high upside who hits to both gaps well and good speed. Plays CF in minors, but likely a good defending corner OF in the majors. Still has more potential as a hitter, downside is he's been nicked up often.

Tyler Austin(21) is a righty who played corner inf and OF - likely to stick in RF with a big arm. Another combo of speed and gap power, Austin has been the overachiever compared to Heathcott, and has been lighting the minors up (.941 career OPS).

All 3 are probably 'too much' for Ruiz, but he's more valuable with sooner rather than later, especially to the Yankees with current injuries to their C and RHBs. The yankees having 3 OF to choose from might also help them part with 1. And if they really want RH power, kick in Mayberry if it adds any value at all.

We are really grasping when we are talking about warning track outs as being "positives".

Howard is a shell of his former self.

How many teams in baseball have 3 relievers (who have been with the team since opening day) with ERA's over 6? You would have thought a month into the season that at least ONE of those guys would have been demoted. At least with a so-called "championship" organization. None of the three could get anyone out in ST either. What are they waiting for?

Troll: Everything you post is laughable. Your lack of reading comprehension is sad however. It is hilarious though that you disagreed with me and then basically said the same thing I did with different words.


Corey- Simple rule of thumb. Everything Howard does is construed as a negative on here.

Heathcott has some makeup issues. on the plus side, he'd rival Delmon Young for best minor league lowlight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPyoHBF4r38

vs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCX_XlRYYDo

"How many teams in baseball have 3 relievers (who have been with the team since opening day) with ERA's over 6?"

I've always thought that, if a reliever allows an inherited runner on 2nd to score, both he & the guy who put the runner there should get 0.5 runs charged to their ERA. If the reliever allows a guy on 3rd to score, he should get 0.25 & the guy who put him there should get 0.75. And so on. I'm actually sort of shocked that no one has come up with a stat like this, considering all the sabermetric stats that are out there.

Anyway, to come to my point: if they calculated ERA in the way that I think they should calculate it, Durbin's ERA would probably be around 10.

BAP, Sabrists are generally looking at strikeouts, walks and batted ball profiles to determine if a guy is a good pitcher, so they don't care about earned/unearned runs in the first place.

It is a neat idea, but I'm still on the meltdown/shutdown bandwagon for evaluating relievers.

Howard is on pace for 46 doubles and 17 HR's. He's probably not once what he was, but I think those numbers will be closer to each other at the end of the year.

BAP: I think there's something of a consensus among saber-minded people that ERA should generally be scrapped in favor of simply RA.

Errors are so rare and so subjective, that it doesn't really make a ton of sense to try and factor them out (especially when you have advanced stats that can factor out defense anyway). And that means you avoid issues like when a SS bobbbles a two-out ground ball, and then the pitcher gives up a home run on a meatball pitch next, why shouldn't those runs count?

It's actually sort of like factual and proximate causation (since you're a lawyer). Sure, the error was a "but-for" cause of the run, but the proximate cause was the meatball pitch the next AB. Right?

In regards to ERA, in large samples, the difference between RA and ERA would probably be pretty tiny anyway.

Sure, the error was a "but-for" cause of the run, but the proximate cause was the meatball pitch the next AB. Right?

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But perhaps the "meatball" was thrown because the pitcher was pitching differently with a guy on base

I don't know why a man on base would cause one to think it's a good idea to throw a meatball right now the middle of the plate.

I mean, is there any situation where a pitcher WANTS to throw a meatball right down the middle of the plate?

Fata: I don't know. Ask Halladay. He threw most of his pitches right down the middle the other night.

Prediction:

The Phillies will be over .500 on June 1.

This team is not as bad as they've played so far.

Phils have a payroll high enough that they shouldn't move Howard just to save $5M. And the idea of moving him along with Lee just to move him and save money wouldn't be ideal. If they're selling, they shouldn't be selling to save payroll but to build a young, good team in a year or three. Don't dilute what you could get for some of these good vets by tossing an $80M (or whatever it is) 1 WAR 1B at them.

Positives! Chase Utley is a really great player. Yes it's only April, but dude has degenerative knees and found a way to (so far offensively at least) to pretty much be on pace for same league adjusted stats as his hey day.

Hopefully his new approach to his knees is season long and not just the first couple months.

Fat: Yeah, I guess sabermetric measures don't even look at runs in the first place. But there's no rule which says they can't. I view stats like FIP & xFIP & SIERA as stats which tell us what SHOULD have happened. A stat like ERA tells us what did happen. But it seems to me that it would more accurately tell us what happened if it accounted for inherited runners.

Of course, the other anomaly in ERA is that a pitcher can allow 6 runs to score in an inning, but come away with a 0 on his ERA, because somewhere along the line there was an error & all the runs scored after what would have otherwise been the third out. That's another area which I'm surprised no stat geek has ever tried to address.

They'd have to go 16-11 to be over .500 by June 1st.

They have
4 @ ARZ
3 @ SFG
2 CLE
3 CIN
3 @ WSN
2 @ BOS
2 BOS
1 MIL

If they 10-10 in those 22 games, they need to go 5-2 in the other 7 games against Miami to achieve over .500 status by June 1st.

Howard's contract isn't moveable at this point and especially not with Lee's contract that is backloaded.

The Phils really don't have a younger player (say 29 or 30) they can package at the MLB who they could move Howard and even if they could the Red Sox/Dodgers' trade was a clear outlier.

I'm not advocating trading Howard for $5m in salary relief, just that if I was an AL GM, that's what it would take right now for me to bite. If/when Howard starts trending towards 30 homeruns and gets that walk rate up, you might be able to save $10-15m per year and get a B grade prospect.

Prediction:

The oldest team in the NL incurs an ~4 week injury to a starting player and the wheels completely come off during that time.

Jack: I don't have a problem with the concept of an "unearned run" when there is a direct and temporal relationship between the error and the run. For instance, if there are 2 outs in an inning & the shortstop boots a ball, causing a run to score, that should not go on the pitcher's ledger. If there's one out, and a hit happens later in the inning anyhow -- I'm not sure what should happen. That's a grey area to me.

My gripe is when there's an error early in the inning & the guy scores 4 ABs later, and the run gets charged as unearned on the theory that there would have been 3 outs if not for the error. It seems to me that logic is pretty attenuated. There are just way too many assumptions in there. You're basically letting the pitcher off the hook for screwing up, on the theory that someone else screwed up first.

Fata: The point is not that a pitcher would want to throw a pitch right down the middle of the plate. The point though is that the situation might get them into a position where they have to rely on a fastball more to a batter or may have to rely on a breaking pitch that has a capability to be hung.

A common theme on here in arguments (and I'm not necessarily singling you out) is that the next event is always the same regardless of the situation. It isn't. A pitcher may have to do different things in relation to the situation at hand. So an error extending the inning may cause a pitcher to do things differently.

@lorecore good post/speculation on Ruiz to Yankees but it will never happen soon unless this team goes on a historically bad stretch this month and is 15 games under .500 by Memorial Day.

I don't know those prospects you mentioned, but I think you are actually undervaluing Chooch a bit, given his position and contract. Plus the team that signs him can obviously negotiate an extension before he hits the market. Give how valuable and scare excellent-to-elite catching is, that's nothing to sneeze at. I maintain if the Phils are out of it and Chooch is one to go, he would get a damn nice return. He could be a gigantic difference maker to a contender.

But ugh, I'd much rather be talking about how this team can turn it around, and hope they do.

If they 10-10 in those 22 games, they need to go 5-2 in the other 7 games against Miami to achieve over .500 status by June 1st.
Posted by: Fatalotti


So, you're tellin' me there's a chance...

YES!

TTI, I'm well aware of the Fallacy of the Predetermined Oucome, and I do try to avoid it at all costs.

My point was that, even if the pitcher had to pitch the batter differently, he still threw a crap pitch. Just because he had to pitch the batter differently doesn't excuse the fact that he threw a meatball.

pblunts: you may be right. Also, I forget the rule about trading a player in his FA year and the compensation gained/forfeited by the acquiring team. That could drive up Chooch's value as well.

If the Phillies go 10-10 in a 22 game stretch I'll not only be surprised, I'll be confused.

Would the Phillies offer Chooch a qualifying amount to get a draft pick comp for him? What was it last year? $13m?

Cyclic, rereading my post, I just realized the ghastly arithmetic error I made.

They'd have to go 6-1 against the Marlins to be over .500 by June 1st.

If the Phillies go 10-10 in a 22 game stretch I'll not only be surprised, I'll be confused.

Posted by: GTown_Dave | Thursday, May 02, 2013 at 10:58 AM

I'd like to revoke my ability to ever post any mathematically reliant information on this site ever again.

Cyclic, rereading my post, I just realized the ghastly arithmetic error I made.

They'd have to go 6-1 against the Marlins to be over .500 by June 1st.

Posted by: Fatalotti


Oh, okay, season = over, then

Pierzynski was coming off his best offensive year as a 36yr old and got a 1yr/$7.5M deal from Texas.

Ruiz could certainly get more than $13M guaranteed putting put a 115-120 OPS+ this season, but I doubt he gets an AAV that high.

pblunts: writeups on the Yankees system are at the link below. NY prospects always get a extra hype, but they have a pretty good crop right now. #13 on the list, Rafael DePaula has had a breakout season so far in 2013.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/12/21/3790880/new-york-yankees-top-20-prospects-for-2013

Wow, just no offense at all. Time for the Mini Mart callup? Hey, is Pat Burrell available?

Tricky Dick,

Let us know what happens up in the front office in the exec offices. I'm sure you have offices bugged.

I think I'd feel pretty confident throwing a fastball down the middle to Revere, with or without runners on. It's not as though the ball will travel that far if he hits it.

Off topic: If I ever found myself in a situation where a fight was imminent, I think I'd choose Cliff Lee out of all the Phillies to help me out. He seems like he'd have my back, keep his cool, and be all business.

I think the absolute saddest part of this season has been watching the utterly excruciating descent of GBrettfan into cynicism, snark and fatalism.

"I think the absolute saddest part of this season has been watching the utterly excruciating descent of GBrettfan into cynicism, snark and fatalism."

Disagree. I have really enjoyed watching GBrettfan's transformation. It's right up there with Sophist's conversion to doom-and-gloom as my favorite Beerleaguer development of the 2013 season.

Sorry, Fata! I enjoy snarky humor, and it helps get me through the rough patches. I do try to stay on the line between optimism and pessimism, but when the Phillies play the way they have been, I do fall off the fence onto the side of pessimism. If they turn themselves around, I'll be more hopeful again. It may be wishy washy, but I admit to being an emotional fan.

"Hey, is Pat Burrell available?"

Jim Thome might be......

"Let us know what happens up in the front office in the exec offices. I'm sure you have offices bugged."

You laugh? Little do you know that Rube has asked me if I know anyone who can recover some, ummm, embarrassing pictures from Mr Martinez's house. Heh heh heh...

I must change the subject or vomit.

Went to the Lakewood game last night, the first time I've seen Quinn, tocci, and Larry Greene.
No point in making judgements based on one game, but a few observations: Tocci and Quinn are tiny. Both look like T-ball players whose uniforms are way too big.
The guy sittin next to me said of Tocci: "yeah, he says he's 17, but Dominican players' ages are often fudged a little."
I agreed, and posited that he is actually 14. Ramon Aviles could easily beat up Tocci. I saw Tocci see-sawing with Justin Beiber before the game, and he never even got near the ground.

Quinn is nowhere near the 5'10" he is listed at, and the charleston OF was shallower than I have ever seen an OF against a non-pitcher. He is, as advertised, amazingly fast.
Greene is crazy fat and unathletic, and his first two ABs were awful, including a home run swing at a curveball in the dirt that drew laughter from the stands.

Tocci made two incredible diving catches in CF, but also got thrown out at third on a brutal base running mistake. He got on by ripping a fastball to left, but was completely embarrassed by every single off-speed pitch he saw.

On a side note, Dante bichette Jr. (Yankee prospect) is a carbon copy of his dad. The looks, size, and mannerisms are exactly the same. He even does that thing in the batter's box where he grabs the ends of the bat and stretches it over his head. He also swings incredibly fucking hard every single time.
To sum up, I honestly am not sure if Quinn and Tocci together outweigh Ryan Howard.

thanks for observations plair.

I think i am more excited about hearing a scouting report of the ironpigs urinal game.

DOM heating up....?

Last 10 games, .286/.366/.429/.794

Let's hope Dom "Just Give Me 400 At-Bats" Brown does heat up. Even a little bit of production (there's that word again) from the OF would be nice.

Sad Fat Larry Greene.

The epitome of a Ruben Amaro Jr draft pick.

Sil: Esp. since our OF now has the lowest OPS in the majors.

Good article about our OF situation, how we got there.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/205788991.html?authenticate=y

Speaking of production, RAJ has to feel pretty damn vindicated after last night: 7 walks and ZERO runs.

Fatal-- I thought the same thing. Damn Production™

Thanks for the article, GBrett. It's pretty bleak right now, but I think the OF offense will improve, ending up in the middle of the pack in the NL (7th to 9th-ish).

See? That's what I'm TALKIN 'bout. You can walk all day and all you get is walks. But when you produce, you get production. And production is what we're looking to produce. Because when producer produce production there will lots of product produced and people will know we're serious about the production we produced. So walks don't mean nothin compared with producing production.

Idiots.

I am consistently advised on BL that the offense is middle of the pack. And the starting pitching is good. It's the relievers that are the big problem.

Well, Lee has been lousy after a few great starts. Halladay? Thought he'd turned a corner. But it looks like he'll be lucky to be a .500 pitcher. Hamels has not been quite Hamels-like. Lannan/Pettibone? As expected or better and luckily the staff does seem to have one true ace. Kyle Kendrick.

This team is laughably bad. They can beat the marlins and the Mets. And . . . .

Ben Revere appears to be a lousy bunter? Who would have predicted that? I appreciate small ball as much as anyone. Juan Pierre's career has been a testament to the positives of small ball. But this guy can't lay down a decent bunt. He actually might be a worse offensive player than Martinez.

Chooch is looking like he's hung over.

Michael Young hits singles and . . . well, he hits singles. And double plays.

I can only manage to watch a few innings here and there because as i get older, I have less and less time for suck. It's very sad that Ruben has accomplished this mess in such a short time.

If Doc, Cliff, Rollins, Chooch, Howard, Papelbon, Adams etc. are upright near the trade deadline, it's certainly time to clean house. I'd keep Utley because he could be your cornerstone player for the next couple of years. And it would be painful to watch him in a different uni. And it would take some getting used to seeing JRoll in another uniform. But they need to hold a fire sale and hope to heck other teams will eat the salaries while giving up some useful prospects.

Howard may be moveable if the Phils eat 20 mil per season. But even with that, getting anything back would be questionable. Maybe the Dodgers really want more pitching?

"I think we're going to need a bigger boat."
Sheriff Brody

lorecore wrote:

"This is a positive or negative sign, depending on how you look at it: Ryan Howard missed another homer by inches, marking his 9th fly ball to the warning track or wall already this season."

Do those balls start leaving the park when the weather heats up? When Howard is rolling he's the one guy on this team that can carry a team for a couple weeks.

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Right now the three OFer’s with the most PA are Brown, Revere and Mayberry. They’re hitting a collective .229 with 5 HR’s and 21 RBI’s in 249 AB’s. For a starting trio of major league OFer's that's terrible. Michael Young's hitting .326 but only has four XBH and six RBI's in 28 games. With so little offensive production coming from half the lineup is it any wonder these guys can't put a solid win streak together?

Could be a long summer and a big fire sale at the end of July. What scares me most about falling out of the race is not what happens this year, but that Ruben Amaro will be making the deadline deals and shaping the future of the Phils. That's a recipe for mediocrity or worse in coming years.

OF production

It really comes down to early how just how sh~tty Revere has been:

.204/.245/.226 (.471 OPS) +31 OPS

He is slugging at what a good-hitting pitcher might. The rest of the OF hasn't been that bad really.

Nix

.250/.321/.417 (.737 OPS) +101 OPS

Mayberry

.242/.324/.470 (.794 OPS) +115 OPS

Brown

.244/.317/.378 (.695 OPS) +90 OPS

Beeroverreactionleaguer™

aksmith: There's really no reason to make trade partners eat significant sums of salary on anybody we trade unless you think there's going to be something tasty on the FA block next year that we want.

Otherwise, get out yer forks and start chowin' down on the pricey contracts! It'll net us better prospects/players in return, and they won't cost enough for it to be a major issue.

That said, I think a fire sale is not strictly a good idea, but if we have to have one, that's how I'd run it.

Expectations for Brown were high. It's too bad his current stats are closer to the "real" him than the can't miss, 5 tool guy he was touted as.

>> Expectations for Brown were high. It's too bad his current stats are closer to the "real" him than the can't miss, 5 tool guy he was touted as.

Right. Those expectations were for Dominic Brown. We have Domonic Brown.

Too late to change back?


Are there other teams that don't have any quality everyday players who are in their prime? We have ZERO. Our guys are either on their way down or on their way out.

It was strange that our no. 9 hitter (Revere) and Dom Brown got our only hits.

Yesterday, I predicted a 2 to zip loss, feeling that 9-pitch Bauer would keep the Phils off balance. We only got one hit off of him. I was correct on the zip part of my prediction. I will try to do better in predicting the other half next time.

"It really comes down to early how just how sh~tty Revere has been."

Can we engrave this quote on MG's Beerleaguer Hall of Fame plaque?

Could be worse. Brown could be putting up Jason Hayward's numbers...

.121/.261/.259/.519

It's almost as if one month isn't enough to make a judgment about a player's season.

(I know I know, they don't have the same history/track record, but it's still too soon to bury DOM)

"It really comes down to early how just how sh~tty Revere has been."

Can we engrave this quote on MG's Beerleaguer Hall of Fame plaque?

Posted by: bay_area_phan


Honest question, is he (MG) ESL? Or does he just type/post too fast?

Off topic: If I ever found myself in a situation where a fight was imminent, I think I'd choose Cliff Lee out of all the Phillies to help me out. He seems like he'd have my back, keep his cool, and be all business.

Absolutely. I kind of view Cliff like Dalton in 'Road House': He's going to be polite right up to the point where politeness ends, & a hellified ass-kicking begins.

Cyclic: Yeah, the problem is Brown's numbers are *right in line* with everything else he's done in his career.

But, at least we've settled the question of whether spring training performance matters, right?

Please tell me no one is still claiming that Howard and Brown hitting great in ST meant anything at all.

MG as explained in the past that he posts with a very stream-of-consciousness approach. As such, he doesn't take time to proofread or prepare his posts.

It does lead one to believe that his consciousness has a poor grasp of the English language sometimes.

"Please tell me no one is still claiming that Howard and Brown hitting great in ST meant anything at all."


It was warmer in FL right?

"Prediction:

The oldest team in the NL incurs an ~4 week injury to a starting player and the wheels completely come off during that time."

If the wheels do fall off, it was The Tribe that loosened the lug nuts.

It's a blog. Not an email going out to my boss or a c-level executive.

Brown's been the same player he was before including last year. A guy who doesn't hit for enough power as a corner OF with a sub .250 AVG and terrible defense.

He also has good speed & has yet to steal (or even attempt) a SB.

If I had to give him a grade for his play so far, it would be a 'D.' It is just a month though. If he puts up this same level of performance through the ASB, it have been nearly a year plus where he hasn't produced.

Right now the three OFer’s with the most PA are Brown, Revere and Mayberry. They’re hitting a collective .229 with 5 HR’s and 21 RBI’s in 249 AB’s. For a starting trio of major league OFer's that's terrible.

For a trio of Little Leaguers that's terrible. For an MLB franchise it is inexcusable. If only someone had the foresight to point out this glaring weakness, & repeatedly emphasize the importance of signing at least one impact bat for the OF this past Winter ...

Oh, wait. I did that. Explains my lack of shock at how pitiful this bunch has been, anyway. I guess we just wait around for D. Young to become RF Frank Thomas & save the season now, right?

Phils just are a team that plays poorly on the road in Interleague & I was just hoping for a split vs Indians.

Didn't happen. Now need to win at least 3 of 4 but I can understand why people are kind of down on this team.

They are basically at full strength right now & still struggle to compete almost every night.

"Do those balls start leaving the park when the weather heats up?"

Sure, but only if you conveniently forget that the ball was ABSOLUTELY FLYING out of Progressive Field both games. I don't think that "cold weather" was a problem for Ryan, unless it's one that is unique to only him...

I'm not interested enough to look it up for myself, but I am mildly curious: in his ~23 IP, how many times has Aumont recorded a 1-2-3? I'm guessing not many.

"Phils just are a team that plays poorly [...] People are [...] down on this team [...] They are basically at full strength right now & [...] struggle to compete [...] every night."

Fixed to represent Beerleaguer consensus

Lee did have some bad luck so far but the Phils have invested their lion's share of payroll in their rotation and this is what they have got from Lee/Halladay/Hamels:

18 GS, 5-8, 111 1/3 IP (6.2 IP/GS), 4.85 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, 8.0 K/9, 2.6 BB/9, 3.1 K/BB, 1.3 HR/9

Funny but those numbers look an awful lot like a guy who is a back end/fringe starter. Not a trio that his team has invested nearly $65M in.

There is where the lion's share of dollars were invested and the Phils have gotten a pathetic ROI so far. It was supposed to be the bedrock of this team and instead it as been a slurry of mediocrity.

Totally understand Lee's complaints. The pitchers are innocent, including himself, who dominated last night.

If only the offense was average, they'd have scored 15 and/or 7 runs and at least managed a split.

If he puts up this same level of performance through the ASB, it have been nearly a year plus where he hasn't produced.

174 G, .237/.315/.386, 90 OPS+

Boooooooooooo.

If Lee/Halladay/Hamels had pitched anywhere where the Phils might have expected, this team would be above .500 right now even with all of their other issues.

Dom is a little like Ryan Howard, in that both players are so bad at so many phases of the game that they really have to rake to make up for it. In Howard's case, that means hitting lots of homeruns. In Dom's, it means putting up a .350-ish OBP.

Yeah, it's kind of hard to argue Howard's warning track power was a positive when the other team hit 7 HRs the night before.

They've been full strength for 2 games. I wouldn't necessarily gauge their struggling ability yet.

MG: I have never liked the idea of building a team around SP, & I like it less w/ every passing day.

But at least he didn't go into his HR trot.

Fatalotti: Would we even be able to tell the difference between HR Trot & Busting A** at this point?

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