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Dusty Baker is one of the worst managers in baseball not named Charlie Manuel.

FREE RUF

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'buster, I feel like you're just digging your heels in here.

No team who's trading for Rollins is going to give him an extension. So, that's just unrealistic to expect.

As such, if Rollins has a chance to go to a winning team with a chance at a WS for the 2-3 years, and get this option year guaranteed, it's certainly reasonable to think that's the best case scenario for him to hope for.

The only reason he wouldn't accept that is if he just wants to finish out his career as a Phillie, all else be damned.

Since we don't know whether that statement is true or false, all we can do is opine based on what the most reasonable incentive would be for Rollins.

And winning team and guaranteed option are basically the best bargaining chips the team trading for Rollins would have at their disposal. And he'd be foolish to not take it.

buster: Where in the world are you coming up with a 90% chance that Rollins won't suffer an injury this year, or next?

Yes it's more likely he is healthy than injured, but how could you put a number/estimation on it?

Fatalotti: I'm not saying that the guaranteed option isn't the best inducement available. I'm just saying it's not much of an inducement, since he can go most of the way towards guaranteeing it himself this season.

There are other ways to involve additional compensation than an extension - witness the extra $6MM Michael Young got for agreeing to waive his NTC to come here. I would think that's the sort of thing Rollins would require - and it would either cost us more, or make our return on him less attractive.

What I don't get, however, is being down that they're still holding close to the top of the division despite all of the under-performing (or, in other cases, depressingly not over-performing) players.

I'm down about it because it feeds the delusions of those in charge that this team isn't a horrible waste of money, & in desperate need of great change.

As much as I want to scream how awful BJ Rosenberg is, he's replacing Raul Valdes' +7 ERA and +1.5 WHIP. I guess some Michael Stutes fans could make a case, but I'm not in that camp.

'buster, I'm not sure that MYoung got an extra $6M, and whatever the number was, I remember it as being reported that it's purpose was to make up for the change in state taxes on his income. It wasn't just an arbitrary figure pulled out of thin air by Young, but money needed to keep his "quality of living" consistent.

Right, it's totally harmless, and probably the natural inclination of many fans, to be "excited" that the Phils are actually not far out from contention, in terms of their record. (I put "exciting" in quotes because it's hard for me to take seriously the notion that this team is exciting in any way).

But the front office can't afford to delude itself. If they think this team is a contender, and act like it, that actually has real long-term costs and consequences.

"witness the extra $6MM Michael Young got for agreeing to waive his NTC to come here."

That never happened. MYoung was guaranteed $16M in 2013. The Rangers are paying $10M, the Phillies are paying $6M.

The Phillies are paying $1.2M extra in player benefits to balance state taxes between Texas and Pennsylvania.

GTown: Do you honestly think that those in charge of the team are somehow more stupid than we? And I mean that seriously.

It's incredibly common among comments (not necessarily commenters, but the comments themselves) here to assume that the FO is (randomize in a grid to make your Beerleaguer bingo board!):

1: Too arrogant to admit he's ever wrong.
2: Too stupid to see when a change is needed.
3: Ignorant of advanced metrics.
4: Unable to identify talent at any but the highest level.
5: Dishonest to a fault when it comes to speaking with the fanbase.
6: Unable to hire a competent medical staff and/or recognize the incompetence of the current one.

But many of those comments are made with a healthy dose of internet snark and chutzpah. Do you really think that Ruben believes the ideal is to stay the course here, and hasn't even considered any other options?

Rollins (SS), Utley (2B), M. Young (3B), Howard (1B), D. Young (RF), Brown (LF), Ruiz (C), Mayberry (CF), Lee (P).

So we have a platoon in CF but not at 1B?

Awesome.

re: CF

We all agree that Mayberry's value is vs LHP and the ability to play an adequate CF. Therefore, I am ok with him getting the start over Revere, as long as Revere is starting the other ~70% of the games this year.

Revere should hopefully prove himself valuable enough in those games to warrant a full time job, but until then I believe this is a good way to utilize the one true strength Mayberry brings to this team.

I understand there are other moving parts, i.e. Howard vs LHP, Dyoung playing period, but just focusing solely on CF for this sake.

Lore & Fata: The taxes in NY, Massachusetts and California (8 of the possible trade partners being in those areas) are significantly higher than PA; the cost of living, too. The number didn't "come out of nowhere," no, but it's not like his contract stipulated that the only financial inducement towards waiving his NTC was related to the difference in taxes.

Paying Rollins an extra $2-3MM/year for the life of the contract would doubtless be of interest to him. He'd have no way to get that extra money except agreeing to a trade. On the other hand, he can guarantee himself the extra $11MM for 2015 without anyone else's help.

Phillibuster: What I honestly believe is that r00b was never qualified to be a GM, having been hired as Asst. GM w/ zero player evaluation experience, & having been "taught" by a man who also had no business being a GM, former PR intern Ed Wade. This organization promotes groupthink & slavish loyalty, not skill &/or innovation.

Over the last three years Frandsen has hit .322/.355/.449 against LHP. Why would the Phils need that?

So we have a platoon in CF but not at RF?

Awesome.

It applies there too.

Revere's been benched for a week.

Where do I get tokens for the 'Fire Charlie' bus?

Rosenberg up no Stutes yet?

So it took Cholly just 5+ weeks to give up on Revere as an everyday starter? That has to be a record for a young player the Phils' acquired/brought up on the Opening Day roster?

GTown: I wouldn't dispute that in the slightest, but there's a massive step from "not qualified to be a GM" to "understands the game less than people who've never had anything to do with it professionally, and on pretty much every level to boot."

I'm not going to say the Beerleaguer-built team wouldn't be better than the Amaro team. But I'm also not going to say it would definitely be better, if the BL team was under the same constraints (financial, trade partner interest, FA market, injury, etc.) as the real team.

Now that Revere has lost his job to the awesome John Mayberry, someone needs to ask whose bright idea it was to trade a starting pitcher for a guy incapable of hitting the ball all the way to an outfielder, and incapable of holding a runner at first base after catching the ball. Heads should roll.

buster: Texas has no income tax at all, thats why there was a difference big enough to address. And you can't just add money to a player's deal, you would need to renegotiate the entire contract with the new team, which until an actual trade happens, is against the CBA.

I'm more than happy to drop this - you don't think guaranteeing an option that may vest is not much of an incentive as I do, got it.

Curt: Vance Worley is quickly forcing the Twins to ask whether he is indeed a starting pitcher.

lorecore: I don't disagree in theory either. My point was more to contrast CF with 1B. Playing either Mayberry or Frandsen at 1B should be happening.

It also makes me wonder about Revere. Presumably they got him to be an everyday CF, right? He has virtually identical numbers for his career against lefties and righties (though maybe the Phillies legendary scouting abilities see something the numbers don't). Are they abandoning that after a month?

If it's only about getting Mayberry into the lineup, then they should do it at 1B. Suck it up and tell your $25 million first baseman that if he wants to play against lefties, to learn to hit them. If not, enjoy earning $150,000 for the game and loosen up in the 8th inning to pinch-hit.

Phil - Yes, Worley has been a disappointment for the Twins, but that has nothing to do with his trade value last winter.

And if you're not willing to make moves like platooning Howard because of how much money he makes, maybe, just maybe, that should be considered when we evaluate the contract.

Like, instead of saying "who cares, it's just money," people will say "actually, I care, because the money means they're stuck playing a bad player every day."

Phillibuster: Whether r00b understands the game more or less than any other insider is hardly relevant. His performance speaks for itself. I also don't remember arguing that anyone here could necessarily do the job better. My continued beef is that the Phillies are largely content to hire from w/in & repeat past mistakes, while shoveling BS at the fan base.

You know, now that Mayberry seems to be turning into our CF starter anyway, I'm wishing we'd kept Worley and May and used the money spent on Lannan and No-D Young (along with the 8 million or so we still have against the luxury tax) to get someone like Swisher; would RFD in CF with a good player in RF have been worse than Revere in CF and No-D in RF?

Lore: The tax burden difference between PA and CA is pretty dramatic, actually. PA's flat income tax is 3.07%, while CA's is (for Rollins' bracket) over 12% (NY would be somewhere around 8.5%, MA is 5.3% plus 12% capital gains). In either NY or CA, the difference would actually be greater than the difference between TX and PA (plus the localities taxes depending on where he lives).

That said, I'm fine with dropping it too. I just don't think the burdens of the vesting option are enough that he's legitimately considered not making it as a possibility.

Curt: The same could be said of Revere.

If they're platooning Revere with Mayberry, it's not because Revere hits lefties so poorly, but because Mayberry hits them well.

'buster, why are you bringing up other states? What does that have to do with anything?

If they're platooning Revere with Mayberry, it's not because Revere hits lefties so poorly, but because Mayberry hits them well.

And also because Revere's defensive upside isn't as large as was widely believed.

Phil - Not at all. Do you think Revere was stronger or threw the ball any further last year?

Who cares about Amaro's background. What matters is how he thinks. Lots of great GM came from in and out of the game. Beans was a failed prospect who loves reading Bill James. Theo Epstein majored in American Studies. It doesn't matter.

GTown: And I don't disagree with you on that (although I do think there's something to be said for the loyalty that trying to make internal promotions a priority inspires - though obviously you don't pass up a superior external candidate just to engender it).

But that point is a far cry from your original comment:

I'm down about it because it feeds the delusions of those in charge that this team isn't a horrible waste of money, & in desperate need of great change.

I'm sure the FO realizes that significant change is necessary. However, unless you have lots of internal options the ability to make significant change this early in the season is severely limited.

Curt: Revere hit drastically better last year, and played in a larger stadium than CBP anyway so the arm was less of an issue.

If Revere were hitting .300 and had already stolen 15 bags, people wouldn't care very much about his light arm.

I have to say, as a Red Sox fan, I have to like tonight's matchup (hope I didn't just jinx them...)

Phil - I realize he had a higher batting average, but I doubt he hit the ball any further than he hits it now. And I suspect his "light arm" is the main reason he's sitting.

Phillibuster: And my question would be, how can you be so sure that's their belief? I think they'll half-ass along for as long as they can, because that's how the club operates.

I wonder whether the organization was happy to consider Revere a viable starting CF, provided that those around him in the lineup were making up for his lack of power...and whether, seeing how the lineup has struggled to score runs and get XBHs, the organization (and specifically, Charlie) changed their minds about starting Revere out of a desire to maximize runs any way possible - by hitting Mayberry instead of Revere, and keeping the potential power threats of D. Young, Brown, and Howard in the lineup.

Never mind the fact that Howard has underperformed - and I'm not sure about D. Young who still seems new to me - and that Brown and Mayberry haven't been hitting collectively tearing the cover off the ball. I have a feeling that Charlie sees the potential there, where he knows it doesn't exist in Revere.

I'm not sure this explains anything at all. I'm just wondering.

It also seems unfair given not only the fact that we knew what kind of bat and arm Revere has, but also the fact that he started hitting better of late and still gets benched.

Would it help if he played LF, with his weak arm? Is that something the Phillies would consider? After all, he's been compared to Juan Pierre.

One day, maybe I'll learn to preview and proofread to avoid unintelligible writing due to changing my words midway through typing.....

We discussed this some a few months ago, but really. What is it about sunk costs in MLB? How come it's just kind of taken for granted that you have to play a guy with a guaranteed contract or (especially) a massive guaranteed contract? Is there something I'm missing here or do GMs actually consider that to be logical?

GBrettfan: I wonder if Revere isn't simply another case of r00b making decisions in a vacuum which takes Charlie's management style into account not at all. Everyone who has watched this club for more than 5 min. knows that Charlie will wait forever for a veteran to hit, but won't hesitate to bench a young player -- esp. a young player who can't hit the ball hard even when he is going well. Add in the weak throws which allowed runners to advance uncontested late in close games, & I'm not surprised that Charlie is going w/ Mayberry.

"...also the fact that he started hitting better of late and still gets benched. "

This is why it looks to me that his arm became intolerable. Right before the benching there was a series of low scoring games where runners took extra bases on Revere's arm, leading to cheap runs.

fumphis: It's as logical as employing a manager of $160M worth of payroll who openly admits to making many of his decisions based on hunches or "his gut" rather than reason.

Can anyone imagine another industry in which that would be anything but insane?

DH Phils: The Federal Government.

Before I read Gtown's response, I was going to say [insert political job here].

I think GTown is onto something about Charlie's management style, although it begs the question: What does RAJ think about benching Revere?

Curt's thinking that Revere's arm is to blame also fits into my idea of Charlie feeling frustrated enough with the way the team has played to sacrifice Revere in order to help the team win.

Again, it only works for benching Revere, since he won't platoon Howard. (He has been more willing than he used to to replace Howard in late innings, though, has he not?) But Howard's got the big bat...if only it would wake up.

So much malarkey going on with this team.

The other day RAJ said it was too early in the season to give up on a player ( when questioned about D.Young ). Yet it looks like they gave up on Revere already.

They talk about needing defense yet put people in positions they are unfamiliar with ( Frandsen at 1B while Young has played 1B. Young in RF while wasting Browns arm in LF )

The seemingly bass awkwards analytical look at stats. They either don't look at stats or look at them half assed.

Adams finally got an MRI. No word on results.

Chris Branch ‏@ChrisBranchTNJ 11m
Mike Adams said got an MRI this morning on his back, feels the same. Said he asked for MRI just to be safe.

"How come it's just kind of taken for granted that you have to play a guy with a guaranteed contract or (especially) a massive guaranteed contract?"

If an ambitious Ph.D. candidate (NEPP?) wanted to do a study on this psychological phenomenon, I suspect what they'd find is that it's not the guarantee contract per se that leads to this kind of decision-making. It's that the GM/manager cannot let go of the idea that the player to whom they gave the guaranteed contract no longer exists. But that is just my theory.

The inclination of human beings to not give up on sunk costs is not limited to only those handling inexpensive assets. Even large corporate executives engage in it all the time. It should come as no surprise that GMs do, as well.

Er . . . "let go" was the wrong phrase there. You can't "let go" of an idea that you've never believed in the first place. The correct phraseology would be, "The GM/manager cannot reconcile himself to the idea, etc." Carry on.

Giving up on Revere is not only ridiculous, but speaks volumes about the inability of UC to see the game in any way other than the three-run bomb style of managing he's married to.

Revere steals bases when he's on base. Assuming he can reach base at a rate near or slightly above that of last season, the team will benefit by his ability to unnerve pitchers and manufacture runs from all those groundouts this team hits.

Mayberry doesn't have "potential." He's a fourth outfielder, which on this teams means he should be starting in RF every day.

Can't wait for this young kid to make Howard look silly.....you would swear he watched Harry potter. The way he waves his bat like a wand, and then shaking his head after the so called swing. That dumb look he gives is starting to rank as high as pat the bat and his inside shimmy.

From the previous thread:

I always think they're talking about a typical Phillies offensive half-inning...

So Amaro didn't take a behavioral economics class at Stanford?

More on Adams. So he had an MRI because he's not feeling better. But of course....

Todd Zolecki ‏@ToddZolecki 9s
Mike Adams says his back hasn't improved, but says DL hasn't been discussed yet. Have to wonder how much longer they will go?

Zolecki: "Mike Adams says his back hasn't improved, but says DL hasn't been discussed yet. Have to wonder how much longer they will go?"

Ohhh, why can't Adams just lie & say he feels fine, like heroic pitching martyr Roy Halladay?! The Phillies won't double check!

"DH Phils: The Federal Government."

That's a non-profit though :)

by the way, Cingrani is kind of nasty.

RN: Yup. Just like MLB isn't a monopoly.

GTown, Sophist: Those decisions are made based on hunches, but they at least give us the courtesy of obscuring that fact in layers of bureaucracy. Charlie Manuel comes right out and says it.

"This is why it looks to me that his arm became intolerable. Right before the benching there was a series of low scoring games where runners took extra bases on Revere's arm, leading to cheap runs."

I don't think this can be right, but if it is, that would be amazing.

Remember, the Phillies pride themselves on Scouting. Not on any of that numbers mumbo-jumbo. They actually watch the games.

And yet somehow they missed that the guy can't throw?

DH - Presidents have done the same ("I looked into his eyes, etc")

I actually thought of Cholly last night while I was watching Game 6 of the Spurs-Warriors game. With maybe 6 or 7 minutes left in a close game, Greg Popovich removed Tim Duncan, because he was having a rough 4th quarter & his backup, Tiago Splitter, was a better defensive matchup with the Warriors' smaller, quicker players. Duncan stayed on the bench the rest of the game -- which the Spurs, of course, won.

My thoughts, as I watched this happen, were: if Charlie Manuel were the Spurs' coach, it is utterly unimaginable that he would do something like this. I mean, this is the guy who routinely sends Ryan Howard up there to hit against a LOOGY in a close game -- despite the fact that Howard hasn't had an OPS over .633 against LHP since 2010.

Anyway, Fumphis's post on sunk costs somehow made me think of that.

Can't they only retroactive a DL move by 10 days, or so? Which is to say, there's really no harm in just pulling the trigger, rather than doing it? He last pitched on May 10th, meaning they'd need to DL him by May 20th and he could come off May 25th.

Considering the pain was still prevalent enough to ask for an MRI, I don't see the downside. While I hate Valdes and think he should have been optioned, at least he's a viable warm body on the active roster...

My thoughts, as I watched this happen, were: if Charlie Manuel were the Spurs' coach, it is utterly unimaginable that he would do something like this ...

Raul Ibañez in the '11 NLDS. Knowing he was unable to catch up to the guys the Cards would run out there later in games, & knowing that Charlie would wait in vain for that to change, was incredibly frustrating to watch.

Jack, I don't know, of course, but I have a feeling (rightly or wrongly) that the Phillies did know what Revere's arm was like, and his bat, but thought that it wouldn't matter. I think they expected to be better than this, good enough that Revere's weak arm and inability to hit for power wouldn't matter.

And, if the SP and BP had been better - which could have been reasonably hoped for, if not expected - might have been the case. Although there's still the matter of our offense. I think the Phillies expected that to be better, too.

did benfran PH for ibanez or was it the pitcher spot when he hit that 3 run bomb off Garcia?

God...we complain the Phils got robbed that series without realizing that a freaking Ben Francisco PH bomb is the only reason we even made it a Game 5.

A flame-throwing rookie who pounds the zone with mid-90s fastballs who the Phils haven't seen before?

I'll take the Red at +110 even with Lee at 'Full Tilt' of late.

I guess my only response would be:

You play your best players. regardless of if you're 19-22 or 22-19, or 15-26 or 26-15. Why would you trade for a guy who you only feel comfortable playing if the rest of the team is so good as to overcome his weaknesses?

In other words, he's either a better player than Mayberry or he isn't. I don't see what the rest of the team has to do with it at all.

Francisco pinch hit for Hamels.

MG, I agree that a rookie pitcher is likely to baffle this lineup, but I actually have slight optimism that he's a flame-thrower and not a junk-baller. Mayberry, Chooch and a couple guys should start to get to him the 2nd or 3rd time through the lineup.

Whether or not Revere was scouted, someone should be fired for this decision. You can't build a winning team around a CF with no pop and no arm.

Jack: i agree mostly, but there are certainly cases for the whole being more than the sum of the parts.

If Player A was slightly worse than Player B overall, but A had much more defensive value - you would prefer A on a team with a top 5 offense since the added ability to score 5.5 runs a game instead of 5.0 runs a game isn't as valuable as supressing the opponent from 3.5 runs a game down to 3.0

The team's backup CF hits LHP very well while their starting CF has had a poor start to the season - so the backup starts vs a LHP.

When isolated to that dynamic, this is a perfectly reasonable move.

Willard Preacher - I would have thought the same thing a few years ago.

I am betting against it though given how Fernandez cut through this lineup like a warm knife through butter (and so have hard-throwing relievers) and their splits against power pitchers (.160/.244/.221 in 319 PAs which is much, much worse than average or finesse pitchers).

Cingrani is LHP too. The only way the Phils win this game is with a really strong out from Lee (say 8 IP, 2 ER or less).

curt - You can if you have power at the corner OFs position and above average power overall. The Phils don't anymore because the huge power advantage they had at 2B/SS has diminished and their 1B is no longer a 40+ HR guy annually. He is a now a 25-30 HR.

Cingrani shouldn't screw around tonight either against this lineup. Pound the zone early and often especially up with his fastball.

lorecore- Revere has been benched for a week now against LHP and RHP. We also have a 1B (a position that Mayberry also plays) that cannot hit LHP.

This is by far the dumbest thing I've seen from Manuel since he started here, and that's saying a lot. He's given up on Revere who, despite curt's A1 scouting reports, is a ~3ish WAR (possibly more, it's too early to tell) everyday CF. He was just starting to hit and get on base this month. Why the hell would you keep him on the bench for a full week if he's not hurt?

The Mayberry excuse doesn't fly because he can be slotted in at 1B. It isn't about putting the best 9 guys on the field. If it were, Howard would be on the bench tonight.

"How come it's just kind of taken for granted that you have to play a guy with a guaranteed contract or (especially) a massive guaranteed contract? Is there something I'm missing here or do GMs actually consider that to be logical?"

General Managers' responsibility is more than that of winning ballgames. It's managing a business. A business that has invested substantial capital in an underperforming asset is going to give that asset every opportunity to return to water level or better. A GM with a player like Howard is concerned as much about his balance sheet (and his job) as he is his team's record. Shutting the doors, losing it to foreclosure, benching or releasing a highly compensated player only happens after all other efforts are thoroughly exhausted because it is a significant financial blow.

"This is by far the dumbest thing I've seen from Manuel since he started here, and that's saying a lot."

Not "a lot." That's saying so much more than a lot that I don't know what that word would even be.

***If an ambitious Ph.D. candidate (NEPP?) wanted to do a study on this psychological phenomenon, I suspect what they'd find is that it's not the guarantee contract per se that leads to this kind of decision-making. It's that the GM/manager cannot let go of the idea that the player to whom they gave the guaranteed contract no longer exists. But that is just my theory.***

bap, if the last couple years have taught me anything its that I have zero interest in pursuing another degree.

Still, I suspect there is something to that theory.

Also, giving up on Revere this early is silly and not putting Adams on the DL and going a man short (while typical for Rube) is even dumber.

Todd Zolecki @ToddZolecki
"Amaro said Adams has a mild back strain. Because they have extra reliever in pen can wait until Tuesday to DL him, when need fifth starter."

Iceman - Revere isn't that good and that his ceiling.

Howard isn't going to be benched vs LHP and there isn't a manager in MLB who would platoon a $20M+ slugger who has delievered for the team in the recent past.

Cholly is gambling that Mayberry gives him a little offense & power against a fastball who would eat Revere's breakfast/lunch/dinner with his mid-90s fastball.

It isn't that foolish of a move by Cholly at all for the game tonight.

curt: Did Ben Revere do something to your family? He's an OK player who has been bad over a quarter of a season. Vance Worley is an OK player who has been bad over a quarter of a season. These two OK players were traded for each other to fill in depth for both organizations. What is the problem, other than his throwing arm making you angry?

It's hilarious how Amaro loves to handicap this team by playing a man or two short especially with an NL roster.

At least Adams isn't a positional player and they do have an extra reliever up.

"Cholly is gambling that Mayberry gives him a little offense & power against a fastball who would eat Revere's breakfast/lunch/dinner with his . "

And with that minor edit, I'm outta here...

"This is by far the dumbest thing I've seen from Manuel since he started here, and that's saying a lot."

This would be a fun thread topic: what is the dumbest thing you've seen from Manuel since he started here?

While I don't agree with giving up on Revere after one month, I can't say that benching a .548 OPS hitter would even fall in my top 10 list of dumb things Cholly has done. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking that starting Mini-Mart in RF, and batting him in the 2-hole, would rank 1 and 2 on my list.

No shocker that he'll wait way to long to DL Adams. We could
have had Ruf up and on the bench for how long now?

***"Amaro said Adams has a mild back strain. Because they have extra reliever in pen can wait until Tuesday to DL him, when need fifth starter.***

Is there any reason whatsoever other than saving the daily salary of the MLB minimum salary guy that would be called up to not bring another reliever in?

Hell, why not DL him and bring up Ruf for the weekend to PH and then bring up a reliever Tues? Is saving $12K really that important?

NEPP, I'll go you one further and posit that calling up Ruf, even if just for the weekend series, will create incremental gate revenue that more than offsets the costs of adding Ruf to the team for a few days.

Simply put, if the team is, indeed, in a position where it needs to pinch pennies on $12K, it's because of the situation that RAJ put them in to do it. That BPS attendance on Wednesday didn't do them any favors...

If God had intended the Phillies to have twenty-five healthy players on their roster, he'd have . . . .

Oh, nevermind.

I wonder if Rube has thought about collecting all the soda cans in the office and driving them up to NY to get the redemption?

Hell, if he can find a way to do it on Mother's Day, he could take it to Michigan with Newman and get the $0.10 a can.


That'd probably help out with some cost cutting.

Maybe go to LED lightbulbs too.

I actually hope we have a 20 inning game where we run out of players now...just so Rube looks even dumber than he already does.

NEPP, besides, the Ruf talk is ridiculous. It's not like the Phillies need a guy who hits right-handed and can play first base.

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