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Friday, April 05, 2013

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What are the odds that Ender Inciarte (back with 'Backs) loses (his share of, I'm sure) his current record for Major Leaguers for having the fewest days on roster?

I figure the odds be 50-50

At least Inciarte got to enjoy that post-game buffet one time...he's gonna be able to tell his fellow A ball players all about that in 10 years when he's the Bull Durham of no-hit defense first OFs still hanging out in the Carolina League.

"Yeah, I was at The Show once..."

TTI, I like Peter King, although he gets way too verbose something. I only read about 3.5 of his 6 page MMQB spots. I like Grantland a lot, too, and am amazed by Simmons' knowledge of basketball (been meaning to get his book), but it's hard to set aside 20 minutes to sit down and read one of his article.

And whenever there's a big trade or move in a league, I find you get much better analysis of how the moves impact the teams from their respective SB Nation sites and other personal blogs, since they're being run by generally knowledgable fans who follow the team on a daily basis.

TTI - SI may suck in comparison to what it used to be, but it's nowhere near as bad as ESPN the Mag. That is a glossy collection of absolute garbage.

Simmons' Book of Basketball is a good read, but I had to read it in spurts...would read 3 or 4 chapters and then put it down for a month or two and read something else.

Chris, Simmons did an article on the NBA's 30 worst trades of all time. Each trade had 5-6 full length paragraphs outlining not only why the trade was bad at the time, but the complete ripple down ramifications of said trade.

It was riveting seeing him rip through, sometimes, 20-30 years of a franchise's history. He's pretty incredible when he's talking basketball.

Repost:

Baseball is the only sport I care to read about regularly. ESPN (for news/box scores), philly.com beat writers, Fangraphs/Rotographs, and Beerleaguer. Deadspin for trash.

He definitely is, but it's very in-depth, and sometimes the minutia gets tiresome.

Everything on Grantland is tl;dr. Simmons could cut his stuff down 40% and it would still be interesting and I'd actually read it.

Today's Starting Lineup: Revere (CF), Rollins (SS), Utley (2B), Howard (1B), Young (3B), Brown (LF), Nix (RF), Kratz (C), Kendrick (1).

Simmons is also one of those guys who looks awkward when ESPN puts him in a suit in a pre-game broadcast. He, like many other sports talking heads, belongs in jeans and a t-shirt, sitting at the end of a bar, telling about his favorite sport.

(RP From Prior Thread)

Gelb: Pitch F/X data showed a lower arm slot than 2012 for Halladay. Dubee disputed that, and said he's "encouraged." http://bit.ly/Xi0alO

Dubee's comments on Halladay have reached ridiculous levels of late:

"No one is saying the Phillies pitching coach should do that. Dubee reiterated his encouragement for Halladay despite a baffling, 95-pitch outing in which the erstwhile ace recorded 10 outs. Dubee cited Halladay's nine strikeouts.

"Do you see many other guys doing that in baseball?" Dubee said. "Yu Darvish against the Astros. Yu Darvish wasn't facing the Atlanta Braves."

I'm gonna make a crazy prediction and say that KC will snap their HR drought this weekend.

I wonder if Dubee doesn't have a strained relationship with Halladay along with feeling pressure about his job with this being Cholly's last year and quite possibly that Billmeyer is the pitching coach heir apparent when Sandberg takes over next year.

"Pitch F/X data showed a lower arm slot than 2012 for Halladay. Dubee disputed that. . ."

RAJ was apparently asked about the same date. He replied, "I don't care about Pitch F/X arm slot data. I care about production."

Meant, "the same data." Not "the same date."

I hate when a typo messes up one of my jokes.

All rise.

Today, we hear further arguments in the ongoing case of Philadelphia Phillies v. Data.

Dubee also disputes gravity, & the wetness of water:

"Have you seen Yu Darvish? He floats around, not a drop of sweat on him. Roy is the same way, only against the ATLANTA BRAVES!!!"

While there does appear to be pretty damning evidence, Fangraphs shows a scatterplot where some (admittedly, not most) of the slots on Halladay's pitches are higher than his 2012 averages.

I imagine it's "Dubee apologist" time by my saying it, but perhaps he was just choosing to concentrate his comments on that. Hell, with the naked eye, in real-time, it's possible that it appeared higher.

Of course, that doesn't change the fact that pitchf/x indicates it wasn't, but hey, some of Roy's slots were higher than some of his 2011 slots.

I mean, what would be the point of disputing something that is 100% provable? Why wouldn't he just say something along the lines of, "We're working on lowering his arm slot to make up for a loss of velocity; it's a process?"

The only conclusion you can draw is that either Dubee hasn't noticed the change in arm slot (which seems impossible) or there's something about that change in arm slot that he doesn't want the public to know.

On Fan Appreciation Day the Phillies have their ball ghouls ... er, girls ... toss over-sized, foamy baseball into the crowd. Several seasons ago I caught one. It is signed by Rich Dubee.

*sad trombone*

Anyone know why Kratz is starting when it's kind of a day game after a night game?

Cyclic: Because Humberto Quintero, that's why.

It's good to see that while it's only game #3, GTown is already in mid-season shape.

Oops...Game #4. The season is flying by!

Yeah I don't see why Kratz would be sitting if he's only starting until Chooch comes back.

Pot shots at the ball girls, really. Was that necessary?

Mike G: Yes.

I love how the post changed to a game thread after originally being posted as a series overview

I wouldn't rip the Ball Girls. At least they can field.

Now if you want to rip the Hooters Girls who were 'ball girls' this spring and three times this spring either caught or interfered with a live ball - go right ahead.

They just are T&A to cater to the largely male audience done at spring training.

"Vladimir Guerrero turned down offers to play in Taiwan and in Quebec to sign with the Long Island Ducks, writes ESPN's Jerry Crasnick. Crasnick goes on to explain that Guerrero's goal is to get back into Major League Baseball and chase the 500-homer plateau. He's currently 51 long balls shy with 449 in his career."

Makes me kind of sad because Guerrero was one of my favorite players to watch AB in his prime because of his swing & crazy ability to put almost any pitch in play and with some power. Only hitter I think who is close today in MLB is Cano.

Chochaco, I love that you love that.

MG, Guerrero is also one of the all-time Phillies killers:

.371/.465/.739, with 31 HR and 84 RBI in 387 PA

I love how some posters have an odd obesession with titles/posts. You're going to post the same comments on a thread regardless what the subject is about.

Guerrero's tOPS+ relative to the Phils, which measures his OPS against the Phils to this total career OPS, is a startling 156.

And with a guy with a career 140 OPS+, that just means that he hit like a career 218 OPS+ hitter while playing the Phils.

Fata: 8 seasons against the Phils from 96-03 will do that. ;-)

Fata - Is that on baseball-reference or fangraphs? That's a great stat. Would confirm if someone is really a Phillie killer or not.

RedBurb, bbref.

Dubee's absurd responses are more evidence that Halladay is not just old, but hurt.

On one level I understand the difference is largely semantic right now--the guy just isn't pitching well.

But c'mon, old age doesn't work like this. You don't all of the sudden become a shell of your former self. Injuries do work like that, though. And I think ultimately that's more than semantics because some time on the DL to start the season could probably prevent a month of crappy starts from Halladay that will hurt the team and could hurt Halladay's future as well.

Is it possible that the Phillies don't know what "Pitch F/X" is? Seems ridiculous, but would it really surprise anyone?

Fata - Thanks.

MG is right in one regard. If there is one thing that the Phillies Ballgirls absolutely are NOT, it is "T&A to cater to the largely male audience."

I'm not currently subscribed to bbref, but if anyone is, there's an ability in the play-index to look at the best tOPS against the Phils, by going to the Batting Split Finder, set Choose Split Type to "Opponent" and Choose split to "Philadelphia Phillies".

You can then check off the radio button
"Set minimums by season totals or compare this split to the player's season/career totals", and you should get the ability to choose tOPS as a referent.

Wow, was that another shot at the ballgirls? If so BL has sunk to a new low.

fatal: bref subscription is free trail until april 15th

Mike G, are you a ball girl? Married to one? Think that most of them, if any, actively read this site, let alone are this deep into the comments?

Who cares?

lorecore, cool. Didn't know that. I was subscribed a couple seasons ago, but found that I could FG to find much more, more easily, and only used bbref for the truly obscure.

No need to rip on the ball girls. I just thought it was pretty ridiculous/funny this spring at the gaffes the Hooters Girls made this spring in Clearwater.

Never understood how a place like Hooters stays in business. If you under 25, maybe it has some appeal but the beer selection is generally prety poor & the food is worse than even an Applebee's or TGIF. Then again I haven't been to one in probably close to a decade.

Wait, are the Royals really using Alex Gordon as a leadoff guy?

It's almost, almost, like a team has decided that it's best to use a better hitter and better OBP guy as your leadoff hitter, regardless of speed.

That can't be right, can it?

Fata, no I'm not a ballgirl, or married to one, or think they read the comments on this site. It's just my opinion that taking shots at them, regarding their attractiveness, or lack there of, is unnecessary. If you don't care, just skip over my comments. They're my opinion.

This was an interesting reaction by Royals pitcher Ervin Santana as he shrugged off Chicago’s three homers in his season debut..

“I don’t know,” he said. “The best pitcher in the league gave up three homers on opening day. This is baseball. Anything can happen.”

Pressed to identify the “best pitcher,” Santana said, “Cole Hamels.” And, yes, the Phillies lefty yielded three homers Monday in a 7-5 loss to Atlanta.

Even if he comes up short in CY voting, 1 guy has Hamels back. Well, for now.

Quotes from the KC Star.


Mike G, fair enough.

Are you a Jew? Married to one? Think that most of them, if any, actively read this site, let alone are this deep into the comments?

Who cares?

There's nothing immoral about calling a girl unattractive. Has no analog to anti-semitism.

Sexism, racism. Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.

Mike G: I think their very existence (not the ladies themselves, but the whole "Ball Girl" program) is unnecessary. You can't tell me the whole premise isn't exploitative, & as such yeah, looks (admittedly in the eye of the beholder) are fair game for commentery. That said, your point is also a fair one, & I'll keep it in mind.

*commentary

Cyclic, it's sexist to claim that a girl isn't attractive? Care to explain?

The president is in hot water for calling his AG nominee attractive.

Thus the rule is:
Calling a woman unattractive is sexist.
Calling a woman attractive is sexist.

In other news, I snagged a fantastic parking space. Kind of surprising, considering how nice the weather turned out to be.

MG: You really don't understand how Hooters stays in business? Really?

You think men go there for the beer selection? Really?

Or the food? Really?

Fata: I like Bill Simmons a lot- especially when he is talking basketball. He knows his stuff when it comes to that.

TTI, you're so sexist!

ball ghouls. I laughed.

I just don't like the idea of waving away an unnecessarily judgmental and degrading remark just because the objects of that remark aren't likely to hear it. Making digs at girls for their looks isn't on the level of anti-Semitism, but it's a pretty distasteful thing to do and it should be subjected to a certain amount of social censure regardless of whether the "target" is directly affected. Kind of surprised that Fat said what he said, honestly.

FWIW, the Hooters in Reading (Wyomissing) recently closed down. Was just built < 5 yrs ago...not that I care, never went there myself.

Mike G: I think their very existence (not the ladies themselves, but the whole "Ball Girl" program) is unnecessary. You can't tell me the whole premise isn't exploitative, & as such yeah, looks (admittedly in the eye of the beholder) are fair game for commentery. That said, your point is also a fair one, & I'll keep it in mind.

Posted by: GTown_Dave | Friday, April 05, 2013 at 02:25 PM

Dave, the existence, or the necessity of, the Ball Girl program, and whether it's exploitative can certainly can be debated. However your remark was not made in the context of a discussion about the "Ball Girl" program. IMO, it was just a potshot you took at a particular ball girl during a story you were telling where you wanted to show your distain for Rich Dubee. The story could have been told, and it would have had the same impact, without the unnecessary insult.

If the employees in question were male, there would have been no mention/criticism of their physical appearance. It's a sexist double standard. Women are absolutely judged differently than men.

Cyclic, women are probably the most oppressed and disrespected group in mankind's gloomy history. You're right; they are judged differently.

That being said, a woman being judged unnecessarily for her looks is just as ridiculous as men who are praised/ridiculed so much for their machismo and bravado, or lack thereof. It goes both ways.

Either way, I think you're being a little hyper-sensitive. No one said these women should be in the kitchen making dinner, or that they can't make it in the high-powered business world of men. A couple people made the statement that some women working in a field that has long been used to offer up "eye-candy" weren't probably chosen for that express purpose. Big deal.

Anyhow, before this goes off the rails, I'm dropping it.

Mike G: As I said, your point does have some merit. But I was simply relaying a memory as I remembered it. My comments are just opinions, too, & may be skipped all the same.

Cyclic: Absolutely incorrect. How many remarks have been made about the physical appearance of various players, all male? The only difference is that some folks get bent out of shape about such comments when women are included.

Back to baseball. Line predictions for KK today?

"Making digs at girls for their looks isn't on the level of anti-Semitism, but it's a pretty distasteful thing to do and it should be subjected to a certain amount of social censure regardless of whether the "target" is directly affected."


Delmon, I'm calling bullsh8t on that.

It's total bullsh8t.

Our society is inundated with sex - movies, TV shows, fast food and beer commercials - they use sex to sell everything.

Thus, commenting on the sexual attractiveness of any person (that's really what it is) is fair game. Period, and can no longer be labeled as "distasteful", even in polite company.

If you have a problem with my attitude go talk the all the film and TV producers in Hollywood, the ad agency execs, and every other place where sex and sexual innuendo are used to either sell something or is passed off as "art" or some other such thing.

It the outgrowth of a culture that has become drunk and intoxicated with the promise of sexual freedom and what comes with it.

Until that changes your complaint will fall on the deaf ears of millions.

6 IP, 4 H, 4 ER, 3 BB, 2 K.

And allowing Francouer on base for ANY reason is unforgivable.

"If the employees in question were male, there would have been no mention/criticism of their physical appearance."


Actually Cyclic, I disagree with that too.

Do you think if the a ballboy looked like this:

http://www.grimmemennesker.dk/data/media/1/hooligan.jpg

http://www.funnypica.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Ugly-Fat-People.jpg

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/255/uglymen08.jpg/sr=1

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=41567480

there wouldn't be comments? Seriously?

awh, your post is a weird conflation between the descriptive and the normative, so much so that I can't quite tell what you're trying to say. But this isn't the place to have a big discussion about gender issues, so let's just agree to drop it.

I still think judging *anyone* based on looks betrays a certain lack of class and decency. It may be an immutable human trait and/or endemic to our particular culture, but that doesn't mean the urge shouldn't be resisted to the extent possible.

I think Kendrick is a mild disappointment tonight with something like 6 IP, 4 ER, 4 K. But I'd be happy to be wrong.

Racist is a Hate word. Ya'll haters.

Every now and then MG will post a comment that is totally out of left field but has me laughing at my phone/computer when I read it. Last time that happened was when he critiqued the weed market. It's now happened again with his rant on why he doesn't get how Hooters stays in business.

"I still think judging *anyone* based on looks betrays a certain lack of class and decency."


I guess that the Hollywood producers (male and female) that hires attractive actors and actresses, the fashion industry that hires models, the law fiem that hires the receptionist, the restaurant that hire the server, etc. all betray a lack of class and decency.

You're right. Let's drop it.

I also agree to drop it.

Iceman - Here is a quick link. I just remember reading something about it in Bloomberg several months ago:

http://theweek.com/article/index/229802/the-breastaurant-boom-why-hooters-knockoffs-are-thriving

Basically there are knockoffs coming out that are killing Hooters because they have wider & better food options & they emphasize better service.

Did someone mention Jeff Francoeur?




Obligatory whenever his name is mentioned.

There are no Hooters around me of which I'm aware. The one on 38 has been closed for a while. The up-scale Hooters known as P.J. Whelihans is thriving around here, though, with 3 locations all within a 15 minute drive.

"Thus the rule is:
Calling a woman unattractive is sexist.
Calling a woman attractive is sexist."

Basically, yeah, because comments on the attactiveness of men are rarely ever offered in these situations. Would Obama ever say, "oh yeah, Eric Holder is really attractive too," or "gee, Joe Biden is looking old, but he's still a good guy." That's because its assumed that their looks have nothing to do with them and how they will perform these jobs; unfortunately that is not the case with women, who are too often judged based on their looks.

This is like, Sociology 101 I know, but I felt like I had to respond to clout there.

R00b must keep giving me playing time because he thinks I'm attractive...

"Thus, commenting on the sexual attractiveness of any person (that's really what it is) is fair game. Period, and can no longer be labeled as "distasteful", even in polite company."

Kind of weird.

timr: thank you for posting that. People here are generally evolved enough that you wouldn't think they'd need that explained to them.

MG- I'll have to read that later. I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with your opinion. I just love the array of opinions you express on here. You're a renaissance man.

If you wrote a book, I'd definitely buy it.

I'd read that book too. I can only imagine the title:

"On Marketing Gimmicks, Ben Revere's Defense, T & A, Global Economics, Bullpen Management, and Killer Weed," by MG.

I don't understand why the Phils are playing KC where is the synergy for a rivalry or an interest. This could and should have been either Baltimore Boston or the Yankees.
This is not smart marketing and I think Philly got shafted.

timr: Thanks for agreeing with me.

Can you imagine being the editor on MG's book?

I wasn't going to get into the whole sexist/hooter off topic conversation but after Fata just compared Hooters to PJ Whelihans I need too.
Fata please explain what the two franchises have in common besides serving food. PJ's has way better food, a wide variety of beers and they don't make their waitresses wear short shorts, leggings, and a tank top.

RK: You don't hate KC for stealing the A's from us?

Reverend : P.J. Whelihan's :: Mike G : ballgirls

Except for maybe Yankees-Mets & WhiteSox-Cubs, pretty much all of these interleague rivalries are completely contrived.

Well, this was a weird thread.

Apparently Bryce Harper's older, and presumably less talented brother, Bryan Harper, is an A ball pitcher in the Nationals Organization. So my questions is, when does Ruben trade for him to continue the great Phillies of tradition of having the less talented brother.

Reverend, the girls at the PJ's near me wear very tight tank tops, that require them to be quite buxom. It is certainly an upscale, and much better than Hooters, but it's selling the exact same thing.

Also, I don't drink at all, so I can't judge the alcohol selection.

But, they both sell unhealthy food, sports, the attractiveness of their waitresses and alcohol.

I didn't pull the analogy out of thin air.

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