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Tuesday, April 02, 2013

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Joe D: "I can't believe I just read So Taguchi's name. I had successfully erased his memory from my mind. One of the weakest hitting and useless acquistions ever."

How many championships did the Phillies win over the past decade with So Taguchi on the team? How many have they won without him?

You always hate to lose, but overall, I thought there were more positive takeaways then negatives. Cole doesn't toss too many clunkers as a rule. Young - not really a surprise to see the non-defense. Durbin - too bad, but meh, move on. Anything good would have been found money.

Encouraged by Utley, Revere, and Dom.

The big knot in my stomach is reserved for Roy Halladay's start.

It is almost as if it is foolish to try and take anything from the first game or series of the season.

They should have a name for the idle day after Opening Day. Thoughts?

"They should have a name for the idle day after Opening Day. Thoughts?"

Rule 5 Awareness Day. As in, another day that I cannot fully understand the line of thinking as to why someone feels the need for this to exist...

I could respond to and pick apart TTI's response in the last thread, because I just think it shows a glaring lack of understanding regarding roster management on his part.

But I'm willing to let it go in the interest of letting old threads be bygones. Suffice it to say, I strongly disagree with his argument that it makes sense to have Inciarte on the roster for a few weeks just to send him back later, and the idea that the Phillies should be making decisions right now with the idea of saving an option for Darin Ruf's age 29 season.

Anyway, we can move on now.

'The Legend of Ruf' might at least get the opposing manager to pull his LOOGY instead of allowing him to go 1.2IP on us.

They should have a name for the idle day after Opening Day. Thoughts?

Rush to Judgment Day

Weitzel - Given the Phils' their overall record of 59-71-2 (.446 winning pct) on Opening Day, maybe 'Keep Your Chin Up' day or 'We're Still In It' or 'Its Only One Game.'

I like Rush to Judgment Day.

The longest day of the year.

'The Legend of Ruf' might at least get the opposing manager to pull his LOOGY instead of allowing him to go 1.2IP on us.
Posted by: lorecore | Tuesday, April 02, 2013 at 02:23 PM

Mayberry has proven MUCH more at the ML level than Ruf, and has demonstrated close to elite power against LHPs, and Fredi left the LOOGY in to face JMJ and Kratz. What makes you think this "Legend of Ruf" would do anything? When did Darin Ruf turn into Babe Ruth against major-league LHPs? He had a 2 month hot streak as an overaged prospect in AA. What am I missing here?

"They should have a name for the idle day after Opening Day. Thoughts?"

I've always wondered why on earth they do this. Wouldn't it make far more scheduling sense to use this off-day later in the year, as a potential rain-out makeup date?

GTown Dave - That's a winner. I enjoy your commentary and it fits right in with being a Phils' fan (some bright spots but alot of down moments).

Chris VT: I thought referring to him as "The Legend of Ruf" was enough to qualify that comment as a joke.

clout, lol.

Here's my submission for today's off-day name.

Stupid.

MLB The Show 13 ran a simulated season. Here's how the NL East turned out...

Phillies 94-68
Nationals 90-72 (1st WC)
Braves 85-77 (2nd WC)
Mets 80-82
Marlins 53-109

We're #1! We're #1!

Chris: You're doing the awh-trick of partitioning the season into carefully selected segments, and then using only certain segments to prove your point. For the ENTIRE SEASON, Ruf hit 38 homers, batted .317, had an OBP of .418, and and OPS of 1.028. Like every other season, whether good or bad, it included some segments which were better than others. But, it was hardly just a 2-month hot streak. In fact, if memory serves me right, he was already leading the league in homeruns & hitting over .300 before he went hog-wild over the last 2 months of the season.

Those legendary 3 HRs - one each off Detweiler (L), Gorzelanny(L), and Clippard (R).

Maybe we're keeping him down in order to bring him up as a surprise addition against the Nationals?


I've always wondered why on earth they do this. Wouldn't it make far more scheduling sense to use this off-day later in the year, as a potential rain-out makeup date?

Posted by: bay_area_phan | Tuesday, April 02, 2013 at 02:35 PM

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I was always under the impression that they do it in case of a rain out on opening day. That way they just reschedule the rained out game the next day so people who have tickets to opening day actually get to see opening day.

Matt Gelb: "Phillies have claimed OF Ezequiel Carrera off waivers and DFAed Ender Inciarte."

More useful than Inciarte. I'd still rather have Ruf.

Inciarte...he gone!


Per Salisbury
"That was quick. Ender Inciarte has been designated for assignment as Phils claim OF Ezequiel Carrera of waivers from Cleveland"

Mike: But that makes no sense. You could move that same off-day to mid-September, and still have it available to make up any rain-out on opening day. Only you'd also have it available to make up for a rain-out on any other day between opening day and mid-September.

"More useful than Inciarte."

Barely.

Sorry lore core, it clearly went over my head. But the question remains, what am I missing about Ruf? What does he provide that JMJ doesn't (with above average D and base running). Mayberry can play all 3 OF positions at least competently, can back up 1B, and mashes lefties. Why do we have a desperate need for Ruf on the bench? And what makes people think that Ruf is ready to mash LHPs at the major league level?

BAP: That is untrue, actually. Ruf hit 20 of his 38 AA HRs in the month of August.

He also hit:
2 in April
7 in May
5 in June
4 in July

He was on pace to surpass his previous season high of 17 (in fact he already had), but he certainly was not on pace to touch nearly 28 - let alone nearly 38.

"I want to let old threads be bygones but here is a post where I speak about an old thread."

You just can't help yourself can you Jack? You have to raise the level of douchebaggery every chance you get.

I do appreciate that you think you are the all-knowing master of opinion on here though and that invalidates mine. You need to have your head checked because the brain you have is malfunctioning. The case I presented is one possible way the Phillies might be viewing having Inciarte rather than Ruf, and if Ruf ends up being a guy who is now a masher of pitching he will be on the roster and won't be moved anywhere. I know that it is the height of controversial opinion to you that they sent him down to maybe see if he was for real or use an option for real rather than for warming a roster spot but you are being foolish here. Whatever guy was on the roster as the 5th outfielder was getting sent out when Young is healthy. That would've been Ruf. Sorry if that surprises you.

Now- I am done on this topic. And unlike you I will let it drop once i hit post on this thread. So you can say your peace and win or whatever makes you feel good.

Forget Utley. Forget Horst. The most positive aspect of this one-game-old season is the Phillies defying their own convention & DFA a Rule 5 pick.

I ... I'm so happy ... *tears*


Carrera is already pretty much everything Ender could ever hope to be... a crappy player with speed.

No brainer to take Carrera over Inciarte if those are your only two options.

Posted by: lorecore | Monday, March 25, 2013 at 08:54 PM

bap - ok, he had 1 great season as an overages prospect at AA. Again, how does this prove he's ready to mash LHPs at the major league level?

Now Carrera over Ruf I don't get because it means they brought a guy in to play over him. That makes no sense.

He had been hitting over .300, but that's been the norm for his whole career.

What hasn't been the norm has been the HR power. He hit a fair number of doubles, but he topped out at 43 of those in 2011.

In 2012, he not only turned 11 of his doubles into HRs (32 2Bs), but he added 10 more.

Philli: I don't have a way to look up split stats in the minors but I am almost positive that those 18 homeruns through July put him at, or pretty damn close to, the league lead. I mean, the second place guy for the entire season only hit 25 & third place was only 21.

Ruf had a monster August & September in terms of homeruns, but he was already having a very big year even before then. It was not just 2 great months. No one can post a 1.028 OPS based on only 2 great months.

So, a LH, speedy, little guy for another LH, speedy little guy? Ok.

At least the latest speedy little guy has MLB experience, I guess.

Just thinking if Inciarte never makes it back to the MLB, and the story he might tell one day: "I was there for one game, man, one game!"

"Again, how does this prove he's ready to mash LHPs at the major league level?"

That is a strange standard on which to base personnel decisions. We can't promote someone to the big leagues unless we have "proof" that he can mash big league pitching? You can't have proof until he actually does it. But posting the best power season in Eastern League history, followed by mashing major league pitching in his September call-up, followed by mashing Winter League pitching, constitutes pretty good evidence that he probably CAN hit major league pitching pretty well. So too does the fact that he has hit at every level of the minors -- even before he started hitting homeruns.

Side note/question: why the hell is Joe Piscopo throwing out the first pitch on Friday at the home opener? Isn't dude a Mets fan or something?

They already have Brett and Schmidt doing it anyway.

BAP: He had a monster August, and he'd been hitting for great average and good power previously.

After the game on July 31st, Ruf had a .944 OPS, and a .233 ISO, with a BA of .308. Definitely good, but that's "power-hitting 1B" good (considering he was 25 in AA ball), not "record-book-demolishing HR machine" good.

After the game on August 31st, Ruf had a 1.046 OPS with a .313 ISO, and a BA of .321.

Minor League Central (website) has gamelogs for the MiLs the last two years.

Mike: But that makes no sense. You could move that same off-day to mid-September, and still have it available to make up any rain-out on opening day. Only you'd also have it available to make up for a rain-out on any other day between opening day and mid-September.

Posted by: bay_area_phan | Tuesday, April 02, 2013 at 02:49 PM

I'm pretty sure the idea is to make sure that the people who bought tickets for "opening day," actually get to see the first game of the season. If the first game is rained out and rescheduled for a later date, then the second game of the season becomes opening day and the people who bought tickets for "opening day" don't get to see opening day.

bay_area_phan: It's not just the ticket sales issue that concerns MLB regarding an Opening Day rainout, it's the fan experience and the associated money. MLB wants fans who pay for Opening Day to see Opening Day. They also have a greater chance of maintaining the sellout which leads to more parking/vendor/etc dollars for the teams/stadiums.

ezequiel carrera has what to offer that Ryan Sweeney and Casper Wells don't?

Carrera 61 for 72 in steals last two seasons in AAA and an OBP over .350 Clearly an upgrade over Inciarte. I wonder if Inciarte gets two days of MLB salary of just one? My feeling its the last major league paycheck he'll ever see.

I was fairly certain Casper Wells would be the guy the phillies picked up if they didn't go with Inciarte on the opening day roster. Surprised he isn't here.

Or, to put it another way (non-cumulative):

Mar/Apr: .329/.382/.484
May: .291/.391/.498
June: .300/.397/.500
July: .321/.409/.584
August/Sep: .335/.422/.753

"ezequiel carrera has what to offer that Ryan Sweeney and Casper Wells don't?"

A willingness to sign for a team with knowledge that he's going to be waived as soon as the intended starter gets off the DL. Neither Wells nor Sweeney is sufficiently desperate for a major league job to sign with the Phillies.

If Carrera gets off to a good start and Nix does not, Laynce myght be gone by the tyme Delmon Young gets back.

That's what I was thinking. That we needed to sign someone that was willing to go to AAA in a month. Asuming we can't unload JMJ or Nix.

I understand MLB's "Opening Day" idea, but it only actually works for teams who open their season at Home. For example, Opening Day at CBP is scheduled for Friday. The weather Friday is supposed to be terrible. If the game is PPD, those fans who paid to see "Opening Day" will be SOL.


I was fairly certain Casper Wells would be the guy the phillies picked up if they didn't go with Inciarte on the opening day roster. Surprised he isn't here.

Posted by: The Truth Injection | Tuesday, April 02, 2013 at 03:11 PM

TTI, this was posted on mlbtraderumors on March 31:

"The Mariners now have ten days to either trade, release, or outright Wells to the minors. If Wells clears waivers, he cannot elect free agency because he does not have enough service time and has not been designated for assignment before, reports the Seattle Times' Larry Stone "

Not sure exactly what that means, but it seems to me that the Phils would have to trade for him. Am I wrong. Could they just claim him off of waivers, and if so what would happen if more than one team claimed him?

CS: The optimistic assumption there being that he's better than one or the other of those.


I understand MLB's "Opening Day" idea, but it only actually works for teams who open their season at Home. For example, Opening Day at CBP is scheduled for Friday. The weather Friday is supposed to be terrible. If the game is PPD, those fans who paid to see "Opening Day" will be SOL.

Posted by: GTown_Dave | Tuesday, April 02, 2013 at 03:20 PM

Those fans paid to see the home opener, not opening day.

They would've had to trade for him. Had he been able to elect free agency and multiple teams claimed him the highest team in the order (usually reverse order of previous seasons record) would've got him

Mike: That's doubly important, because lots more people travel greater distances to see their home team on opening day.

If the game gets postponed a day, it's nowhere near as difficult for the traveling fan to attend as if it gets postponed a month and a half.

I couldn't be more shocked that the Phillies decided against keeping a single-A outfielder with no bat on their active roster.

Mike G: The Phillies bill it as "Opening Day", w/ no qualifications. Check the team website.

bap- I guess this is what it amounts to for me...Ruf had a very good season, punctuated by an amazing 2 month run. Before that point, he was considered an overaged prospect for every level, with a solid hit tool and subpar in every other tool. In short, organizational filler. It's not worth getting your panties in a bunch, let alone claiming the Phil's are costing themselves a slew of victories early in the season like Jack has, to have him spend a month in AAA and prove he isn't a fluke (and learn how to play LF). At the same time, I wouldn't have a big problem with him riding the pine in Philly as a Matt Stairs type, but he is by no means ready to play OF at the ML level, and there isn't a whole ton of evidence that he will definitely "mash lefties" at the major league level, either, as Jack also claims. Basically, I don't know what the hubbub is all about. Ruf's inclusion/ exclusion from the roster is not going to make a difference in many, if any, games for the first month of the season.

What about teams whose Opening Day is today, then also play the next two days? They're just SOL if it rains?


What about teams whose Opening Day is today, then also play the next two days? They're just SOL if it rains?

Posted by: nokwurst | Tuesday, April 02, 2013 at 03:31 PM

Are there any such teams?

What's this guy's defense like? Murphy says he's average and prone to gaffes.

Whatever. I mean, I'm glad they have a pinch-runner on the bench, but if he isn't an improvement defensively, it's largely a useless move.

I know next to nothing about this guy though, so somebody correct me if I'm wrong on him.

In 2 seasons with the Tribe, he posted a .985 in CF and a .980 in LF (minimal action in RF, but 1.000).

If you like UZR/150:

2.8 in LF
-4.1 in CF
27.0 in RF

2-season average: -1.4

Dime a dozen. Casper Wells and Ryan Sweeney, too. Jason Pridie and Lou Montanez and ...

All today's first games are indoor home teams.

Bal @ TB
Cle @ Tor

Hmm, coincidence they're both domes? Prob not.

Then again, in 2012 Carrera OPS'd over .700, so I think we all know the real reason we picked him up...

That said: He's a lefty.

Chris: Jack didn't claim that Ruf's demotion to AAA is going to cost us a "slew of victories." That's completely unknowable. His point was that, when it comes to a 5th outfielder, it's kind of odd to prioritize speed and defense over power & an ability to hit. I mean, I could probably count 50 losses last year year in which some crappy hitter like Galvis, Wigginton, Mini-Mart, Orr, or Luna ended up hitting in a key situation late in the game because they were the best guy available on our bench. I could probably count about 1 or 2 losses at most, in which we ended up with a crappy defensive outfielder costing us runs in an important situation. The need for a strong bat off the bench just comes up a whole lot more than the need for a defensive replacement in the OF.

Delmon Young's return will create a tough decision now that they have Carrera, who can play all three OF spots and fills the need for a speed guy on the bench. I suspect Nix's days are numbered.

Nix, JMJ, and Mike Young can all play first, oh and Ruf to. No excuse to keep dead weight around.

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