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Tuesday, March 26, 2013

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Wow, in only a couple of days, Rube seems to have come to his senses. Betancourt and Cook gone.

Now, if they make a low level trade for Inciarte and put him in the minors, or just return him, maybe we can all concentrate on our Halladay anguish . . . until Delmon Young is lugging a piano on his back out in right field.

The way they're handling Galvis is starting to shed some light on why they saw "value" in Mini Mart. Luckily the bar could not be set lower.

Nothing wrong giving Galvis some reps in the OF. Charlie is determined to give him 250-300 ABs by hook or by crook to keep him from stagnating on the bench.

I love the confidence they are showing to Pettibone, Morgan and Martin by having them be the next in line after Cloyd. Also I can almost guarantee the Phillies will pick up a veteran outfielder and Enciarte is not going to make the team.

If Galvis is the utility IF, he will easily get 300+ PA even without playing in the OF.

" Charlie is determined to give him 250-300 ABs by hook or by crook to keep him from stagnating on the bench."

Maybe it's just me, but I kind of like the idea of my .617 OPS hitter stagnating on the bench.

From the last thread:

Chris Young probably can't pitch out of the pen because of all his injury issues. He's not going to want a job where he's soaking up innings on short notice. If he'll take a minor-league deal to start in LV, he's worth a look. I suspect he'd just stay with Washington in that case, though, given their starters with injury histories (Strasburg, Zimmermann, Haren).

David Huff would be an intriguing pickup - he's out of options and being shopped aggressively by Cleveland. He's essentially J.A. Happ without the substantial salary. Yes, that's faint praise, but he'd be a clear upgrade over Cloyd and could serve as the long man. The only slight downside is that he's another lefty in the pen, but like Raul Valdes, he has a pronounced reverse split.

The Indians are also offering Ezequiel Carrera, who's essentially an MLB-ready version of what Inciarte might become if everything breaks right. I'd rather see the Phils snag Ryan Sweeney, but Carrera's contract is considerably cheaper.

My final comment is that they are making Rosenberg a starter. I'm sure they are going to force him to work on a secondary pitch, so he'll be a mess at first with a possible payoff later. It is make it or break it time for him.

Someone asked why we released Betancourt and Cook even though they had played well(?)...

It's simple. Neither of them fill a role on the major league roster that isn't being filled by a better player. I don't think it's that complicated.

And why give Cook $100K to pitch in AAA when the young options available if necessary are likely just as good as what Cook would give you?

I have no problem with Freddie playing anywhere he's able. But if he's in the outfield, there's almost no power coming from there. That bothers me.

There is value in extra flexibility. Martin Prado comes to mind. Galvis could be a valuable super-sub / versatile regular with more hitting development.

Rosenberg is org filler.

And why give Cook $100K to pitch in AAA when the young options available if necessary are likely just as good as what Cook would give you?

Posted by: Kendrick Appreciation Society | Tuesday, March 26, 2013 at 12:23 PM


No it's because as a poster pointed out the other day, the Phillies always make decisions based on their checkbook and not what is best for the team.

Is Utley-Howard-Brown a problem for anyone, lineup wise?

I do like that the Phils are going with younger players who have more possible upside than Betancourt and Cook.

Both were terrible last year and at least Galvis/Cloyd might have a little upside compared to 2 washed up veterans.

Also... some angst last thread that we signed veteran pitchers who we ended up releasing, as though it's a sign of not being able to sign good veterans.

What good veterans sign deals and are willing to be stashed at AAA?

I guess I'm asking... which other starters with some value were signed this off-season and will start the year at AAA with their respective club?

Is Utley-Howard-Brown a problem for anyone, lineup wise?

Posted by: Cyclic | Tuesday, March 26, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Besides the obvious L-L-L heart of the order?

"Is Utley-Howard-Brown a problem for anyone, lineup wise?"

Not for anyone with a half-decent LOOGY...

Oh, you didn't mean other teams! Gotcha.

bay_area_phan, The point is that by giving him semi-regular ABs, he may become more than a .617 OPS player.

If the Phils pick up someone like Sweeney and go with two OF platoons (say Nixberry and Young/Sweeney), they're likely to have a short bench late in games. If Galvis can man an outfield spot in a double-switch, that can help keep a reliever in the game for an extra inning at some point. It's a smart move and costs the team nothing.

Pretty much all semi-decent #6 types sign spring training deals with opt-out clauses.

Unrelated...

From Rob Neyer's recent column on minor league team names:

Of course, there have been thousands of other teams that don't qualify; for example, I just ran across an all-star team from Nebraska called the Tractolubers that competed in a big semipro tournament years ago.

Tractolubers?? Umm...

"My agent will be in touch" - Roy O.

Cyclic: I'm not convinced that will be the lineup come the regular season. Manuel has mentioned some concern about multiple lefties in a row.

It's interesting it's even a possibility given the fact Brown wasn't even guaranteed a job coming into spring.

Today's lineup has no Michael Young. Things may be different with him in the lineup.

ColonelTom: There aren't two platoons. There is Revere and Brown. And then there is another OF position filled by Nixberry now and likely just Young when he returns.

Brown spot is not currently a platoon, but it could be if he starts out slowly and struggles against LHP. I don't think he's earned the everyday job for the rest of the year, maybe for the first month.

KAS - apparently I need more coffee. Or perhaps I'm envisioning the inevitable Dom Brown return to AAA....

Sure pick up Huff, reacquire Gosewich while you're at it. So that a late September callup could involve Ruf, Huff & Tuffy

We'll need all the amusement we can get 'round that time.

That's a triple-bobblehead giveaway waiting to happen.

"So that a late September callup could involve Ruf, Huff & Tuffy."

Enough with this stuff.

Charlie: "Hmm, I feel like we definitely need a backup OF that has never played the position before."

Sandberg: "Ruf?"

Charlie: "Galvis it is!"

I look forward to the irony of Freddy Galvis picking up a ball in LF in the 9th inning of a game that has just gone past Michael Young's glove.

I imagine Charlie's reasoning went something like this:

Galvis is a good defender, having a lot of defensive ability. Corner outfielders are not good defenders (if they were, they would be playing center). Therefore Galvis should be fine in left or right.

To echo a point BAP made on the prior post that I think was pretty salient:

If Galvis is coming into a game to field LF, while Young, Jimmy and Utley remain in the infield, strategically, you're not using your pieces correctly.

Galvis in any of those three spots with the replaced player in the OF would be a much better defensive team, since Galvis is the best defensive IF on the roster, probably by a good margin, too.

So, if we're going to experiment, the experiment should be one of our veterans in LF, not Galvis.

ramsey, no one doubts that Galvis can adequately play LF or RF. It's a question of allocation of resources.

"I look forward to the irony of Freddy Galvis picking up a ball in LF in the 9th inning of a game that has just gone past Michael Young's glove."

Well put, Jack!

"I look forward to the irony of Freddy Galvis picking up a ball in LF in the 9th inning of a game that has just gone past Michael Young's glove."

-Jack

Where is the like/+1 button on this thing?

Maybe the plan will be to have Galvis play about 3ft behind Young?

Are the Rays playing a split squad game? I don't think any of these players in the Rays lineup will be on the opening day roster. Isn't there some rule that you have to bring at least a real player or two?

"Wow, in only a couple of days, Rube seems to have come to his senses. Betancourt and Cook gone."

Smitty, RAJ must read Beerleaguer!

Phillies website shows Ender Inciarte as being in their projected opening day depth chart. May or may not mean anyting.

http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/team/depth_chart/index.jsp?c_id=phi

"I look forward to the irony of Freddy Galvis picking up a ball in LF in the 9th inning of a game that has just gone past Michael Young's glove."


Jack, that made me laugh.

Does anyone seriously think Inciarte will not make the roster? When you consider that Rube kept Mini-Mart on the team all freaking season in 2011, despite his outstanding crappiness, it seems obvious that Rube will hold on like grim death to a Rule 5 pick who actually has some rudimentary baseball skills. His ego demands its.

Oh, and I'm willing to predict that when Delmon Young comes off the DL, Inciarte will stay up and someone--Nix, Mayberry, maybe Fransden--will be traded or released so Inciarte can stay. I hope to be proven wrong, but such moves seem to be The Amarao Way (like releasing Fontenot to make room for Mini-Mart).

If Galvis is coming into a game to field LF, while Young, Jimmy and Utley remain in the infield, strategically, you're not using your pieces correctly.

I'm pretty sure Young was explicitly promised when he waived his no-trade rights that he'd be left alone at 3B. Jimmy's played exactly 1/3 of an inning in his MLB career anywhere but SS. Utley's outfield experiment was squelched last year before he played an inning there.

The guys you mentioned aren't chess pieces - they're established veterans with big egos, and they won't be happy if Cholly points them to an unfamiliar position because he thinks keeping them at their normal spot will cost the team runs. It would be a good move on paper, but not so much in reality.

If I were a betting man, I'd put money on Inciarte's suffering an unfortunate, lingering injury (say, an oblique strain) about the same time that Delmon Young is ready. That is, unless Nix suffers his monthly muscle pull before that.

So, our veterans' egos are more important than winning?

Wouldn't that make them clubhouse cancers and bad characer guys?

Rays catcher right now, Jose Lobaton, is a likely DFA soon. I don't know much about, but will take a stab and assume he's better than Steve Lerud.

"To echo a point BAP made on the prior post that I think was pretty salient:

If Galvis is coming into a game to field LF, while Young, Jimmy and Utley remain in the infield, strategically, you're not using your pieces correctly."

I think Jack's 12:50 post makes this identical point about as well as it could possibly be made.

ColonelTom, of course they wouldn't put those guys in the OF...especially not Charlie Manuel. Still doesn't make it a good move.

I'd actually wager that Rollins and Utley would move to the OF without any fuss to get Gavlis at their spot. I have no way to verify that, but it's just my feeling.

AT: Fontenot wasn't released to make room for MM. As evidenced, MM isn't even on the 40-man roster. One would think such would be necessary for that particular argument to make any sense...

buster,

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/08/phillies-designate-mike-fontenot-for-assignment.html

"The Phillies announced that they designated infielder Mike Fontenot for assignment. The move creates roster space for utility player Michael Martinez, who has been recalled from Triple-A."

Like that famous guy from the war said,

"I shall return!"

Cyclic: Fontenot wasn't released to make room for Martinez. Fontenot was released because he sucked. It just so happened the person who replaced him sucked as well.

Huh. Well then, consider me chastened.

Although all things considered, I don't think The Font was much of a loss.

Fontenot 'jumped the shark' last year during that Baltimore game I was at where I think he was credited with making 2 errors and easily could have been credited with at least one more.

Aw. I was watching without sound, and for a second I thought they had traded Sarge to the Cubs...

Clean inning by Stutes. Uh oh, MG, it's not looking good for Aumont! :)

Going on contact from 3rd with 1 out? Or was it a failed squeeze-swing?

awh: We can just trade for some bullpen pieces. Other teams don't carry dead weight like the Phillies do. Just ask MG.

Revised lineup:

1.) Ben Revere, cf
2.) Jimmy Rollins, ss
3.) Chase Utley, 2b
4.) Ryan Howard, 1b
5.) Dom Brown, rf
6.) Kevin Frandsen, 3b
7.) Pete Orr, dh
8.) Freddy Galvis, lf
9.) Humberto Quintero, c
10.) Michael Martinez, v (versatile)

There's that hot-slugging 3B we've been looking for!

Galivs flexing his muscle. Who said he didn't have the power for the OF?

Well, now Galvis has power. Was nice knowing you, Ruf.

rube can stop looking for OF help.

TTI - Not as much as the Phils and it always take something to even a mediocre middle reliever which I am sure Amaro is reluctant to do at this stage.

Mini, while I'm not (yet) up in arms about miscasting Galvis in the OF (mostly because I'm still not sure it's going to happen), I'll move closer to apoplectic if/when he's named the STARTING left fielder. He's light hitting for even a utility IF, and not even on the radar for offensive ability of a corner OF, let alone a starter.

He belongs in AAA, as a starting infielder, getting regular AB's. Outside of that, a late inning defensive replacement (limited AB's) on the MLB squad if RAJ is willing to admit that he's likely not the next regular SS after JRoll. He doesn't have a place as a starting outfielder on a team that is stating it is intending on proving their window is not yet closed.

how has Freddy looked in the OF today?

Did all the people running game trackers die when it was 1-0? CBS sports and MLB are stuck on a Vettleson single in the top 5th.

I Galvis becomes a good all around player with a little pop, a good average and slightly below ave plate discipline, will everyone here be disappointed?

Seems a lot of people are betting against this kid, even though he's drug free and actually outperforming many's preconceived notions of his ceiling. If this continues during the regular season, admittedly a big if, I wonder if we'll have to DFA him to make people happy.

Not, "I Galvis." But, "If Galvis."

I may never get used to my new laptop keyboard.

"If Galvis becomes a good all around player with a little pop, a good average and slightly below ave plate discipline, will everyone here be disappointed?"

I'd be very happy in that scenario. Unless he's playing left field, that is.

Still mancrushing on Chase Utley.

aksmith: Nothing would make me happier than if Galvis became the player you describe, and hit well enough to be the heir to Jimmy at SS.

I think most people's complaints are that it would be an incredibly odd use of resources to play your light-hitting infielder in the outfield, instead of real live outfielders.

No one, that I've seen, has an issue with the kid as a player. The issue is how he, and other players, are being used. Do you see the difference?

BAP: After that homer, Galvis is now slugging over .200 points over his career average.

Just saying.

"If Galvis becomes a good all around player with a little pop, a good average and slightly below ave plate discipline, will everyone here be disappointed?"

This is a HUGE leap of faith for a player with a .617 career MLB OPS (64 OPS+), during his only stint in the bigs, when it was discovered he was using PED's...

But yeah, I'm with BAP, I'd be okay with that, but not for my left fielder.

Jack: Well, the regular season hasn't happened yet. Wait til you see that .775 OPS that he posts this year.

And, I would say, if he's going to hit enough to justify playing him in the OF consistently, well then yes, he has to prove it before you just throw him out there.

I mean, you wouldn't just throw a career light-hitting minor leaguer like, say, Mini-Mart, onto the roster for two years and just hope and pray he hits and fields enough, despite all evidence to the contrary, to be a useful major-league player, would you? You'd make him prove it first, right?

Oh. Nevermind.

I'm not sure Brown has put a ball into play all Spring that hasn't had the absolute snot hit out of it. He's hitting EVERYTHING hard.

D8mn, Brown with some doubles power today...

You'll never get him out of left field now.

look out Nats. we're comin' after you.

I think people are basing a whole lot on a SSS from last season with Galvis. Yes, if you look at his minor league career, the guy getting a bunch of extra base hits here looks like a different player. But it's important to remember that he's a young player and that means he can improve.

I don't think anyone expects a homer machine out of him. But watching him hit now, it's pretty hard to imagine he's the guy we saw last season, either.

Well, this is sure turning out to be quite an inning.

I likey me sum left feeld!

Third time through the lineup, they must have seen something with Hernandez

Freddie Galvis cannot play the outfield?
Freddie Glavis cannot hit?
Freddie Galvis cannot run the bases?
Freddie Glavis is actively hurting this team?

Damn that Galvis and his versatility.

Got a feeling Ol' charlie put Galvis in the outfield just to watch BL go apoplectic. Kind of enjoying it myself.

Freddie Glavis. Even his name is versatile.

Don't think, just throw!

Was this the Fausto Carmona Roberto Hernandez or the Roberto Hernandez Roberto Hernandez?

Colby Shreve is now pitching for the Phils.

And yet Clout insists that the competition is "real" after March 20.

From the St Louis Post-Dispatch

"Ty Wigginton’s epic spring failure will keep Mozeliak on the prowl. Wigginton’s two-year, $5 million deal offers him a modicum of job security. Cardinals owner Bill De Witt Jr. doesn’t enjoy eating contracts. But if he can’t hit anymore, he can’t hit anymore. After batting just .235 as a part-time player last season, Wigginton flailed mightily this spring. As veterans like Yuniesky Betancourt come free, Mozeliak should at least consider his options"

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/bernie-miklasz/bernie-post-cardinal-pitching-syndrome/article_ed998569-e804-5adb-ba63-0ae8d5ee0698.html

It's funny how behind the times the St. Louis Post-Dispatch writers are. They still use AVG when evaluating hitters or use ERA as the key way to evaluate pitchers.

Its like baseball coverage from the early 90s. Been kind of surprised that such a baseball-crazy city would have lacking coverage in their media.

MG: To be fair, Ty Wigginton stinks no matter what offensive metric you use.

If a GM drools over Yuni as your replacement, you know you are toast, the extra-crispy kind.

aksmith: "I think people are basing a whole lot on a SSS from last season with Galvis"

Aren't you the one hanging onto SSS while others try to talk sense into you by bringing up his entire MILB career and scouting reports?

Buster Olney just retweeted this:

"@ajcbraves: Now that Venters has been pulled from 1st MLB appearance in nearly 2 weeks after 1 out, seems obvious there's something going on health-wise"

Kimbrel got pist on in the WBC and has had a poor spring as well.

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