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Blanton's one single positive, durability, ended in 2011. He now is a negative WAR player.

I hate the quality start stat.

Here's a thought:

Was the leash on Lannan shorter because he played on a putrid team that had trouble scoring?

That is, had he been on the Phillies for the time period Seidman referenced, would he have been given a longer leash because the Phillies offense "kept Lannan in the game" as opposed to Lannan keeping the Phillies in the game?


Here are the annual run totals for the Nats and Phils:

____________P_________W

2007_______892_______673
2008_______799_______641
2009_______820_______710
2010_______772_______655
2011_______713_______624
2012_______684_______731

Didn't someone post a few threads ago that Lannan had one of the worst, if not THE worst run support in MLB over a certain period?

If Cholly leaves Lannan out there a lot of times to try to get him through 6 IP, it is going to be a mistake.

Lannan is the one guy on the staff I don't want Cholly to give a long hook to if at all possible.

Even if Lannan hits all of his incentives though and ends up making $4.5-5M, Amaro did a nice job of finding value in a market where it is tought to find any this offseason.

MG: what are the incentives?

For reasons stated in the last thread, which I won't bother repeating, I could easily see Lannan going from passable to awful very quickly. That said, on paper, he seems to be a decent acquisition. I don't profess, however, to understand all the posts which want to subtract his numbers against the Phillies out of his overall numbers.

Extra $200,000 each for 150, 160, 170, 180 and 190 innings, $250,000 each for 200 and 210 innings and $250,000 for 31-34 starts as part of his one-year, $2.5 million deal.

If he stays in the rotation all year, he will make at least 31 GS ($250k) and pitch at least 190 IP ($1M). That's a $3.75M.

Still not a bad total at all value wise. Colon got a $3M base and so did Marquis is who is basically a batting-practice pitcher at this point & I have no idea how he has stayed in the MLB this long.


re: run support

Starting Pitchers who have thrown at least 600 IP since 2008: 91

Of the 91, only 5 have averaged less than 4 Run Support/9:

Felix Hernandez: 3.81
Jason Vargas: 3.83
Justin Masterson: 3.91
Anibal Sanchez: 3.94
John Lannan: 3.97

Some other notables:

Lee: 4.53
Hamels: 4.6
Doc: 5.01
Lackey 5.76 (highest)

MG: thanks, thats the first time I've seen.

The best offseason analogy for Amaro this year would be a guy who had only very limited funds and lives in an aging yet still impressive home.

Went out and bought some spackle, few cans of touch-up paint, and did a few temporary patch jobs of some problematic areas.

BAP what's hard to understand? All people are saying is that now that he's starting for the Phils, he won't be facing the Phils, and in his career he has been quite a bit better when he's not facing the Phils. Nothing more, nothing less.

"Why exactly is Amaro interested in Hairston again?"

MG~ The only thing I can think of is that he's a cheaper alternative to Ross. But you're right Mayberry is younger and just as good.

When you think about it, every offensive player the Phils were interested in except Michael Young has signed elsewhere (per Salibury), or has yet to sign (Ross, Hairston). Why is that?

Again the only thing I can think of is RAJ does not place as much value on offensive FA players as he does pitchers, which comes down to the "we'll sign you if you're willing to play for what we're willing to pay" mantra.

Pence was traded probably because: 1. The Pils didn't think he's a 14 to 15 mil-a-year player, and 2. I bet Cholly soured on him. Now they're trying to replace him which hasn't been done yet. Could RAJ get Swisher if he really wanted him? I don't know. I also don't know why they're interested in Vernon Wells.

While I agree that big, outrageous dollars should not be paid to players who are facing decline in 1-2 years, I don't understand how potential aquisitions of mediocre players would help this team. RAJ wants a run-producing bat, preferrably RH. The players who've signed elsewhere (Upton, Pagan, Hamilton) were nice fits, but I don't believe RAJ really made a strong effort to get any of them. Now he's searching the bottom of the barrel. Unless he's got a trade working for a player other than Soriano or Wells, I can't see how he'll get that bat. I think he knows that. And maybe he's gonna bring in another BP piece to allow him to possibly trade a guy like Bastardo. Pure speculation on my part.

I hated watching Joe Blanton pitch/labor through 6 IP but he's a definitely a better pitcher than Lannan both from a stuff perspective and a numbers perspective.

Blanton gets a lot more K/9 & swing and misses, BB/9 is notably lower, and his overall offspeed stuff (changeup, curve, slider) is probably better than Lannan's.

Blanton just grooves more pitches than almost any Phils' starter I can remember which really hurt his HR/9 numbers. Too many sinkers (a pitch he should really junk) that are hanging meatballs and fastballs to RH batters that catch too much of the plate inside of being on the corner.

If Hairston is a poor man's Ross, and Ross is a poor man's Swisher, and Swisher is a poor man's Hamilton, I'm not sure I love what this off season is telling me...

I bet you Lannan has a better ERA+ than Blanton next year.

Trading for Soriano or rolling the dice on Berkman are the two best alternatives left if Amaro has limited funds to make a deal or doesn't want to sign someone for more than 2 years.

If I were Amaro, I call Epstein up to see what non-MLB he is interested in or possibly to see if he will take Bastardo/Aumont as a main trade chip in return and trade for Soriano with the Cubs only eating only $22-$24M on his remaining $36M. Hopefully by giving the Cubs some real salary relief of $12-$14M they only want one prospect in return.

Use the remaining money to sign another veteran reliever on a 1-year deal (Howell it is Bastardo, Lyon/Frasor/Myers if it is Aumont).

I'd have to get 30 million form the Cubs to take Soriano @ age 37. he's signed to 2 years, and can only play LF. What about Ruff if that happens?

"If Hairston is a poor man's Ross, and Ross is a poor man's Swisher, and Swisher is a poor man's Hamilton, I'm not sure I love what this off season is telling me..."

Bingo, it's telling me the same thing. There's not much left out there which they don't want to pay for, and they didn't want to pay to top dogs who signed elsewhere. I'm not saying the Phils are cheap. I'm saying that they're being careful with their money. That approach may not get them where they want to be. RAJ went for it when he re-aquired Cliff Lee. He really hasn't done so since, except for the Pence trade. But it may not be all his fault. Undoubtedly ownership has their hands in what he can and cannot do.

BAP: "For reasons stated in the last thread, which I won't bother repeating, I could easily see Lannan going from passable to awful very quickly. That said, on paper, he seems to be a decent acquisition. I don't profess, however, to understand all the posts which want to subtract his numbers against the Phillies out of his overall numbers."

This is the classic BAP post. If someone, noting he said "I could easily see Lannan going from passable to awful very quickly" calls him out for being his usual knee jerk negative self, he'll cry foul, noting he was positive on the Lannan deal "he seems to be a decent acquisition."

clout, excellent call.

bap was definitely typing out of both sides of his keyboard with that post (which is aking to talking out of both sides of one's mouth).

Talk about wanting to be able to take credit no matter what happens....

bap, for someone who coined "baking the poodle", you really baked the poodle on that post. :)

DPatrone - But why does Epstein just give away Soriano and eat nearly ~85% of his salary? That makes no sense.

Soriano isn't going to duplicate his numbers from last year but I bet he gets hits at or slightly exceeds his 2011 numbers:

.244/.289/.469 (.759) with 26 HRs in 508 PAs.

Last 3 years, he has averaged a .255/.312/.489 (.801) with 27 HRs in 557 PAs.

I wouldn't count on him duplicating those numbers but a .250/.310/.460 line is 25 HRs is very reasonable with maybe even slightly better numbers. Defensively, he hasn't that bad in LF the past 3 years in Wrigley, he's killed LHP (.868 OPS), and he has started more games than Utley or Howard.

Looking at MLB Trade Rumors, it seems the Phils did check with Berkman about a month ago. Probably realized he didn't want to play the OF again & was looking for a gig as a 1B/DH/bench player.

awh: Your handle has been missing from all your posts of the last few hours.

clout: I like the acquisition just fine. Based on his track record, the odds are better than 50-50 that he'll be a passable back-of-the-rotation starter. But he's not only an extreme finesse pitcher; he's a finesse pitcher who struggles throw strikes. Given that profile, how could anyone be shocked if he posted a 6.20 ERA next year? If acknowledging that distinct possibility makes me a "knee jerk pessimist," then I'll wear the label with pride.

Blanton makes far too much money for the sort of pitcher he is, & the Phillies were right to part ways w/ him. However, I do believe a season -- give or take -- of Lannan will make many a Phillies fan remember ol' tubby more fondly than they otherwise might have.

MG, look at Soriano from this standpoint:

For Epstein, he's a $36,000,000 sunk cost over the next two years.

So, one the one hand, he can keep him and pay $36MM for 2013. Using your numbers, he'll get a .250/.310/.460 year out of him. And if he's lucky and Soriano doesn't decline, he'll get that in 2014. (FWIW, Bill James projects him at .245/.304/.462 in 2013).

But what Epstein really wants is salary relief. I'm pretty sure they probably put Soriano on waivers last August and no one claimed him, but I don't know how to verify. Point: No team wants that level of production at THAT salary level.

So, if I'm Epstein I need to decide what my primary goal is: a) dump salary, or b) get a good prospect in return.

If the primary goal is to dump salary then almost anyone you can get in return is acceptable. If you're going to hold out for a decent player, then you have to eat as much of the money as necessary.

So, if it's me, I'm going to Epstein with the knowledge that Soriano averaged 0.3 bWAR the last 4 years, and 2.15 fWAR. So if we split the difference his WAR has averaged slightly over 1.2 the last 4 seasons - and because of his age is probably going to decline along with his production.

So what is that really worth in the open market? What I'm going to look at is what I would (or you, MG) have to pay Soriano, a 36 year old declining player, in the open market? And, on a two year deal. Would you offer him more than one year? I doubt it.

So, my baseline for doing the deal would be that Epstein picks up at least $26MM of the contract, because IMHO if Soriano were on the open market he probably couldn't get a 2 year deal, and if he did he probably couldn't get more than $5MM/year.

So if that's the baseline, then the BEST Epstein is going to get from me - even picking up $26MM - is an average prospect.

If he wants a better one he has to pay more money, and if he's willing to accept someone lesser I might be willing to pick up more money.

But if it's true that Epstein asked for Dom Brown in return then I'm sure RAJ politely said "no" and ended the call.

Soriano isn't worth a top prospect even if Epstein picked up $26MM.

For me to consider giving him Brown for Soriano (and I probably never really would because I wouldn't want my team to get older), Epstein would have to pick up way more than the $26MM he offered.

But your right in the sense that doing what DPat suggests is probably a non-starter for Epstein.

"However, I do believe a season -- give or take -- of Lannan will make many a Phillies fan remember ol' tubby more fondly than they otherwise might have."

GTown with more barbiturate blather. :)

BAP: Do you expect Lannan to post a 6.20 ERA this coming season?

RAJ doesnt have the(flexibility) $$$ to get into a bidding war with any teams. So he sits and waits and waits. Hoping the value(demand) of some of these players drop. Blank Check Rube is forced to be creative and wait out.

But I was told that he didn't have a budget...on many, many, many occasions.

awh - Of course Epstein would want to dump Soriano's contract and the reports that were the Cubs were willing to eat potentially up to $26 of the remaining $36M.

As for if Soriano were a FA, he would likely get 2 years and probably more than $10M. Ludwick got 2 yrs/$15M and Hunter got 2 yr/$26M. Ross is probably looking at a minimum of 2 yrs/$17-18M.

"If Hairston is a poor man's Ross, and Ross is a poor man's Swisher, and Swisher is a poor man's Hamilton, I'm not sure I love what this off season is telling me..."

The Phillies are a poor man's SF Giamts?

But I was told that he didn't have a budget ... on many, many, many occasions.

I warned everyone, but did they listen to me? Oh, noooo! They knew, didn't they? It's just a harmless little luxury tax, isn't it?

When he pitches decent, I look forward to all of the "Well bap thought Lannan was gonna have an ERA of 6.20" posts.

NEPP: He's got a budget. But you have no clue what it is. Which makes your speculations worthless.

I hated watching Joe Blanton pitch/labor through 6 IP but he's a definitely a better pitcher than Lannan both from a stuff perspective and a numbers perspective.

Posted by: MG | Friday, December 21, 2012 at 04:16 PM

Maybe from a stuff perspective and from SPECIFIC numbers, but here's what I see:

Year: Blanton ERA+/Lannan ERA+

2007: 108/103
2008: 90/110
2009: 104/109
2010: 85/87
2011: 77/103
2012: 84/97

Blanton's ERA+ over that period: 93
Lannon's ERA+ over that period: 103

Blanton's IP over that period: 1031 (164 GS)
Lannan's IP over that period: 783.2 (134 GS)

The reason Lannan has so many less IP is three fold:

1) He admittedly does pitch less per game by about a third of an inning
2) He came into the league in 2007 and had only 6 starts
3) He only had 6 starts last year, not because of ability, but because the pitching rich Nationals had too many arms

So what I see is a pitcher who's at least an equal, if not a good bit better than Blanton from a results perspective. And as much as extol the virtues of piling up strikeouts and limiting walks, there's a third very important component that you are ignoring, MG: inducing groundballs. You induce a bunch of GB, you have less of chance of giving up a HR, and you can get away with more walks and singles because you induce more double plays. This is an important reason why Lannan can have such deplorable strikeout numbers, for example, and still be a league average pitcher.

And even if we exclude Lannan's rookie season (2007), the numbers go more in favor of Lannan:

Lannan ERA+ still sits at 103
Blanton's drops to 89

I just don't see how you can say that Blanton's been a better pitcher, unless you consider giving the team an extra 1/3 to 2/3 of an inning of crappier pitching to be a benefit.

NEPP: He's got a budget. But you have no clue what it is. Which makes your speculations worthless.

Posted by: clout | Friday, December 21, 2012 at 07:18 PM

This is about as specious as reasoning gets. Because if you don't have unassailable evidence and argumentation or simply have access to their books, making reasonable inferences is obviously only the tool of a moron.

When we had Moyer and Happ, many posters said that you cannot possibly survive with 3 LHP in the rotation. Those posters must have become wiser, it hasn't even been mentioned this week.

Also , a careful reading of Mike Wisniewski's post reveals him to be the fake NEPP. No way he passed English Comp.

"When we had Moyer and Happ, many posters said that you cannot possibly survive with 3 LHP in the rotation. Those posters must have become wiser, it hasn't even been mentioned this week.

Cliff Lee. The great equalizer.

I'm excited about the possibilities of Lannan-driven banter, perhaps characterizing him as a good-natured schlemiel. He could

- slip in the clubhouse shower and land on Utley, breaking the latter's wrist
- volunteer to change a clubhouse light bulb, fall from the ladder and break Utley's hip
- drop a full coffee pot, break Utley's foot and give him third degree burns
- be befriended by Mini-Mart, who always wants him to hang around Utley's locker, house, bank, dog-sitter ...

There's a slight difference between Moyer/Happ and Hamels/Lee.

FWIW.

NEPP: The point being that Cole Hamels was part of both staffs. Hamels, Moyer and Blanton are decidedly less than Hamels,Lee and Lefty Driesell.

clout: "BAP: Do you expect Lannan to post a 6.20 ERA this coming season?"

I think the answer to that question is already implicit, if not explicit, in my prior posts. Besides, there is no answer I can give which would prevent you from writing, "BAP though Lannan would have a 6.20 ERA" 100 times during the coming season.

"If Hairston is a poor man's Ross, and Ross is a poor man's Swisher, and Swisher is a poor man's Hamilton, I'm not sure I love what this off season is telling me..."

Just wait til Mini-Mart becomes arbitration eligible in a couple of years & the Phillies end up dumping him in favor of the poor man's Mini-Mart.

bap, why do you hate John Lannan?

b_a_p: Some folks just live to poke a stick in your eye. Start your own blog. It's the only way your point of view counts. You have the stat-chops; and a lawyer’s sensibility.

I'm first in on your bottle-tight IP address/email address/ handle management system (not that I have the HTML chops to get that done - farm it out!!). Just a suggestion.

Happy Holidays, everyone!

Watching John Lannan be league average this season will most likely be a bit torturous, no matter what the results. But it won't likely be much different, or much worse, than watching KY Joe amble his way through the last few seasons.

Better than watching Blanton do it for twice the money and twice the years or Liriano for that matter who just got a similar contract despite a 5.23 ERA (79 ERA+) over the past 2 seasons.

NEPP - Agree completely. But once the season starts, that will no longer be the comparison. We'll all be wishing that John Lannan was Sandy Koufax, and I assume he'll fall somewhat short.

Considering the size of the deals being given out even for 5th starters, its pretty impressive that Rube got Lannan signed for as cheap as he did.

FO APOLOGISTS EVERYWHERE!

donc,NEPP: The arguement wasn't about the quality of the pitchers involved. People simply argued that you could not have 3 LHP in the rotation, period.

Conway: My point was that if Hamels and Lee are the first two, who cares who the others are?

That argument never made sense to me even when the LHPs were Moyer and Happ. A starting lineup needs to have a balance of left-handers & right-handers. Same with a bullpen. A starting rotation? I'm hard-pressed to see why.

If you cite constancy, why not include stats that could measure that? These are aggregates.

If Hamels and Lee are your top two starters, who gives a crap who the third lefty is? BTW CT, are you a real Conway?

Condidering that Howard and Utley missed half of the season,and Halladay missed considerable time, the Phillies missed getting into the playoffs by seven games. They did so because the bullpen blew sixteen games that the Phillies led going into the seventh inning... they have fixed that problem by signing Adams.We will not blow sixteen this year and Howard, Utley and Halladay will produce. Even as they are put together now .. they are a playoff team.

Bs: How linear. Hope you're right

donc: Surprised it took someone so long to ask. I know I committed the ultimate BL sin by changing my handle, but I'm not trying to fool anyone. I used to post as goody, my real nickname, but took umbage with someone complaining about Conway's music. He wasn't my favorite, but I have an autographed album from when I met him. Even if you don't like country music, he had one of the longest running #1 rock and roll hits of all time. Now that I have that off my chest, maybe I'll change back some day.

"As for if Soriano were a FA, he would likely get 2 years and probably more than $10M. Ludwick got 2 yrs/$15M and Hunter got 2 yr/$26M. Ross is probably looking at a minimum of 2 yrs/$17-18M."


But MG, those guys are younger than Soriano, at least by a couple of years. Does that not make a difference?

Hunter is 37 and will be 38 next year. Ludwick is younger but his OPS and power numbers (average of .759 OPS or 107+ OPS with 19 HRs) are notably less the last 3 years than Soriano. Ditto Ross (average of .758 OPS or 105+ OPS with 17 HRs)

Good to have you back Goody! It's hard to keep track of everyone. Some posters are unmistakeable. I like to think I'm so juvenile that I can't be imitated,
without whippets that is. I must admit I changed my handle once....to donc's mom. I don't think too may were fooled. I'm saving myself for espionage.

"When he pitches decent, I look forward to all of the "Well bap thought Lannan was gonna have an ERA of 6.20" posts."


Cyclic, the interesting thing is that Lannan has a track record.

bap thinks that he could potentially have an ERA of 6.20, or at least thinks it's within the realm of possibility, yet he's never posted an ERA over 4.65.

So, what's the over/under on Lannan's ERA in 2013?

If it's 5.00, I'll take the under.

Looking at Ludwick vs Ross was very interesting. No reason that Ross should really get much more than Ludwick except some team might give hima bit more because he is a bit younger.

2 yr/$15M is a reasonable contract for Ross and what I think he will end up getting with a max of $16M or $16.5M.

The fake poster phenomenon of the last couple days reminded me of the Mets trolls who would try to over-run BL a couple of years back, when the Phils-Mets was a hot rivalry.

I hope our team is good enough to have rivalries in 2013.

donc: From some of your previous posts, I believe you are an old-timer like me. And speaking of juvenile, I'm 70 and my license plate is WYGRO-UP. (The best spelling was already taken.)
I don't think there are any "real" Conways. He took the name from 2 towns on the map that he was looking at.

"DPatrone - But why does Epstein just give away Soriano and eat nearly ~85% of his salary? That makes no sense."

MG~ Makes about as mich sense as the Angels wanting to dump Wells and eat a major chunk of his salary, Although the Angels have a much better than the Cubs. But @ 37, Soriano dosen't make us younger, and getting him comes at Ruff's expense. If I'm RAJ, I try to get a RH bat to play RF and take my chances with Ruff in LF.

While Soriano probably hits 25 HR's in CBP, no reason to think Ruff can't do that either, given the chance to play, if he can play LF halfway decently.

Peppermint tea is good for tummy aches.

I think that Blanton is over rated and he gets more money than he deserves...

Essay Writing Service, if you were going to post and include a link, given that you are promoting a service which ostensibly has something to do with proper use of the English language in the written word, you might have bothered to check into the fact that the "overrated" is used as one word on this side of the pond.

DPat, I can't believe this, but I'm actually agreeing with you.

I want to see what Ruf has, so trading for Soriano (I do NOT want Wells) is not very attractive to me.

If they bring in a corner OF, then it should be someone who can play RF.

I have zero interest in Wells and as it was pointed out earlier in the thread, RFD is a s good as Hairston against LHP. Ross is looking to be overpaid, so the best alternative IS trading for Soriano, and that bumps Ruf out of the picture.

Ruf shut it down early in Venezuela after raking for a few weeks. I'd be interested to know whether that was at the behest of the FO so that his trade value was preserved, or he just got tired and wanted to take off the rest of the season. I'd also be interested to know what the FO really thinks of Ruf,and whether he's going to get a legitimate shot in ST.

Reds signed 7'1 rhp Ludovicus Jacobus Maria Van Mil. I'm jealous.

While Soriano probably hits 25 HR's in CBP, no reason to think Ruff can't do that either,

Posted by DPatrone
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Really, no reason?

Ruf probably requested some extra time off to build an extension to his trophy case. My guess, he placed the Joe Bauman Home Run Award between his 2 NCAA Gold Gloves.

Cody Ross to the Diamondbacks.


Cody Ross to the Diamondbacks.

Posted by: bay_area_phan | Saturday, December 22, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Start learning to love Vernon Wells, your 2013 Right Fielder.

Dom Brown can be the centerpiece in a trade for Justin Upton. Just need to throw in some prospects like Quinn and Pettibone.

Much like when Hamilton fell off the board, I expect most of BL to weep for days over the failure to get Ross, even though they've complained for months that it would be a horrible decision.

Here's my question: any chance Kubel is now on the block?

Ross would have been a terrible signing. Arizona is welcome to him.

Thank you, Diamondbacks

Ross wouldn't have been a great acquisition, but I prefer him to the alternatives--Soriano, Wells, or Hairston: I predict that we definitely wind up with one of those three now, and that if we get either Soriano or Wells Cholly will use them as everyday OF starters on account of their "experience" and their number of MLB plate appearances.

I wouldn't mind getting Kubel now but I really would like to get Viciedo from the White Sox for Brown and another prospect. Then Ruf can take left field. Just please no Soriano or Wells.

Extremely good news for Phils.

No more prospects to trade. Why does everyone keep bringing up these ideas. Everyone whines about not having a prospect to bring up. have to let them grow. Why not sign Juan Rivera to platoon. Sure with his pull swing he could hit a few and spell Howard at first. And be cheap.

3/$26M with a 4th year option. BL would have revolted. What is Kevin Towers doing?

What I have been hearing FO is really high on ruf. They will give him every op to get that job. Sounds like he's a good guy and always is working.

***Cody Ross to the Diamondbacks.***

Rube just Matrix style dodged a bullet there.

I predict Ross will post an .850 OPS in that ballpark next year...

Am I the only one who believes the Phils are done making moves, or is that simply wishful thinking on my part? Sure, they might take a flyer on an arm or a bench piece, but there will be no OF miracle.

The Hook: Juan Rivera sucks even more than Delmon Young who is also cheap. Why not just sign him?

Left handers mature late. I think this is going to be a great signing for the Phillies. Lannan will eat innings and secure the bottom of the rotation.

http://www.mtrphilly.com

"Am I the only one who believes the Phils are done making moves,"

No you aren't

I think we'll see a 2-3 smaller signings in Jan/Feb where Rube takes flyers on guys for $1-3 million a piece rather than putting it altogether for a guy like Cody Ross.

They're not done making moves.

Nepp: Grady Sizemore??

Some Ibanez chatter kicking up again...

Actually, I agree completley with GTown's post. They probably will do another small move or two, but no big outfield signing or trade. And given the options out there, that doesn't break my heart.

Arizona has had a very strange off-season.

Ross is not as good as either of their 2 corner outfielders, both of whom have team-friendly contracts for several more years. Hence, I can only conclude that they plan to trade Kubel or Upton. There has been lots of chatter about Upton going to Texas, but I still think Kubel is the more likely to end up being traded. He's got a $7.5M salary for each of the next 2 years. Hmm. Isn't $7.5M right about in line with the price range in which the Phillies have been shopping?

"Start learning to love Vernon Wells, your 2013 Right Fielder."


And the FO wonders why season tix sales are down?


I'd take Jason Kubel in a heartbeat at $7.5.

Why did Kevin Towers spend 3 yrs/$26M ($1M buyout) on Ross when the DBacks traded Young for .$60 on the dollar because they had too many OF and he was too expensive next year @ $8.5M and say they want Parra to get more ABs?

Also been stockpiling SS who are good/very good defensively but have production question marks.

Marlins may have had the 'worst offseason' but they just conducted a fire sale where they moved all of their major pieces.

Towers to me though has had the worst offseason of any GM from just a moves perspective.

JW invited all these other guys in to contribute posts to Beerleaguer and the writing quality has suffered immensely. Ugh.

AWH~ The one thing that Ruf has is raw power. Luzinski kind of power. The only way he's not on this team next year is if he can't play LF. I've seen enough of him to speculate about his OF defensive skills. I'm not an advocate of bring an Of'der in at his expense.

My concearn so far is RAJ not being able to aquire the run producing bat he said he'd like to get. I'm wondering not with Ross going to the D'Backs, will he play RF? Does that mean J-Up will be traded? Hmmmmm.

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