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Sunday, November 11, 2012

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Strong possibility that Justin Upton replaces him brother in Tampa. The Rays have been dangling Hellickson and Shields and have a shortstop in the minors that could be a part of the deal. As far as Hamilton is concerned, you would think that the Dodgers would be the perfect fit because money really isn't an obstacle for them.

Blanco had a terrible season at AAA, but his 654 major league PAs say that he's a far better hitter than Mini-Mart. He's also a far better defensive player.

Either could be a fit given that the dodgers are looking to get Hamilton and need to dump him. What would it cost to get him?

The Dodgers GM realizes that being over the tax threshold over the course of a few seasons will mean they lose picks, right? This whole situation reminds me of when the Yankees first got the YES money and they went crazy. Of course the Phillies only were able to sign Pete Rose because Channel 29 kicked in half the money on his contract, or at least plussed it up significantly.

zero in on Upton for CF , Ruf in LF , D.Brown RF , cut ties with Mayberry (never had it , never will) , Frandzen can handle 3B until Asche is ready. If the core-group is healthy , that lineup will be fine for a few more seasons. The rotation is fine , the bullpen just needs a few tweaks. Cholly needs to allow Sandberg to light a fire under his boys (Howard , Rollins , Utley). Giants and Cards have proven you don't need HOFers at every position , you just need every man to go out and do his job.

CSN Chicago says Sarge is a candidate for a job broadcasting Cubs games...

Frandsen was a smart, and easy, move. No reason to go to arbitration. He should have a spot on the 25-man due to his work last year. If he stinks then he can be cut for cheap.

I am still curious if he can handle SS, since I like him even better as the utility guy with Youkilis or Chavez at 3B, and keep another hitter for the bench.

What about a deal that brings the Upton Brothers to the Phillies. Sign BJ as a free agent and trade for Justin. It would be a big splashy Amaro move.Dom Brown would have to be part of the trade for Justin along with prospects. You could have an outfield of LF Ruf, CF BJ, RF Justin. Questions: Would it be too pricey? Would it make the power line up too right handed? Do the brothers want to play on the same team?

For what it's worth, I definitely don't think Frandsen can handle SS outside of an emergency.

I could see Blanco becoming CM's new inscrutable project--the new Bowker.

Only a question of whether or not they want Galvis to get frequent ABs to start the year at Lehigh as the everyday starter. If not he is the utility infielder to start the year. If so, it will be a competition in camp between the likes of Mini Mart, Blanco, and maybe another guy Amaro brings in on a minor league deal.

I like Galvis in the utility IF role, but I have a feeling Amaro and crew will stick him in Triple A to continue developing him as a potential starter. It's a shame because he would make a great utility guy and probably will never hit well enough to justify an everyday role.

EFF: From yo0ur lips to God's ear. Now pray that McCarthy leaves too.

stevep: "Frandzen can handle 3B until Asche is ready."

I've about 35 posts like this. Forgive me for saying something that's never been said, even once, on BL: But is it possible that Cody Asche might not be a major league thirdbaseman in 2014?

Again, forgive for even daring to think such a ridiculous thing.

epicurean: I'm not ready to give up on Galvis as an everyday player, but the rest of your post is 100% on the mark.

Blanco would be a GIGANTIC upgrade over MM in all phases of the game.

Will Goosewurst sell in Arizona? I just don't see a fit. He's got to be close to Dutch Country to succeed.

Tyson sighting again!! 2 in a row! I really think ruf is just worn out. Still hitting but high k rate. There are so many pcs to this hot stove puzzle. Would love to be in war room with rube and staff and just listen to all them discuss the plan.

clout : of course it's possible Asche might not pan out ; hence the term "prospect". If there was a top-level free-agent 3B out there . Back to Asche , I've only seen him once , but I know a few guys who are at every R-Phils game,and they say he's the real deal.

stevep: Out of curiosity, what did these guys say about Michael Taylor? Or Jason Donald? Or Lou Marson? Or Kyle Drabek? Or Dom Brown?

I'd like to see Galvis in AAA trying to learn to hit rather than a utility guy just yet. He is controllable for 5 more years in either capacity but is tremendously more valuable as a starter. However, I also think it is unlikely he will hit well enough to remain a starter.

I'd want Frandsen in utility role since Galvis could be instant call up as he can be shuttled back and forth as needed. The problem will occur if someone has a "day to day" injury. Another reason to have a player with options who can be moved down for Galvis call up.

Even if Asche is a 'real deal' his upside is that of an average starter. That will save money but will not drastically improve the team. I do like the fact that he seems to have a low floor and might have some positional flexibility to 2B.

Just out of curiosity, PhxPhilly, why do you say that Asche has positional flexibility and can play 2B? I see that he played some 2B at Low A in his rookie year, but it sounds like he was converted for a reason. I haven't noticed anyone else suggesting that, so I'm curious.

And yeah, I like Frandsen as the utility IF, but I'm not sure that he is competent to cover the job by himself under any circumstances, even if there is a guy (Galvis, Blanco or Martinez, preferably in that order) who can come up following injuries. I think that a defensively-oriented IF is indispensable for the 25-man, and Frandsen just isn't there. I don't think it's an issue though: a team should have two IF bench guys anyway. Frandsen earned that job after 2012, but I would be amazed if his 2013 numbers come anywhere near those of last year.

I do like the fact that he seems to have a low floor and might have some positional flexibility to 2B.
Posted by: PhxPhilly | Sunday, November 11, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Guessing you meant high floor?

Outside of Youkilis (who I don't want to see wearing a Phils' uniform), what other attainable 3B are there? I'm not convinced by any stretch of the imagination that Cody Asche will be a viable option to start at 3B in the near future. I am, of course, holding out hope. However, if the FA or on-the-trading-block 3B are lackluster, then I'm content to improve other areas and get a stop gap type 3b for now.

Who's out there?

Getting BJ and Justin Upton: even during a daydream it seems ridiculous.
Overpaying for BJ: a damn near certainty.

"cut ties with Mayberry (never had it , never will)"

As the resident 'bash Mayberry' guy, I feel the need to defend him here. If the 'it' you're referring to is the ability to be an everyday MLB OF, that statement is correct. If the 'it' is the ability to be useful to the major league team in some capacity, then it's very incorrect. His power against LHP alone should guarantee him a spot on the roster.

That said, if he gets as many ABs this year as he did last year, yeah, the team is in trouble.

On Brown vs. Mayberry: Mayberry > Brown
AVG/OBP/SLG
Brown: AB 433 = .236 /.315 /.388
Mayberry: AB 777 = .254 /.313 /.448

Brown actually putting up better numbers than Mayberry would be a pleasant surprise. In the last half of 2011, Mayberry "Had It" so with him we at least know he is capable at the MLB level just not consistent. If Brown has anything, he has yet to show it at the ML level.

Cutting Mayberry doesn't really help anything. No matter who you acquire this offseason, he's almost a lock to still be the best guy to back up CF and hit vs LHP off the bench.

Don't forget that with Wiggy gone, Mayberry is also the backup 1Bman.

It would be great if we could get to a spot where RFD is used chiefly against LHP. He definitely has value in that role and he doesn't cost too much either. I guess the problem is that we have a few too many players that fit that description. And an aging core that can't always be counted on to stay healthy.

2012 Mayberry vs. LHP: .271/.317/.494, 180 PA

Career Mayberry vs. LHP: .284/.328/.547, 344 PA


Couple the above with average/above average defense at all three OF positions (a rarity in MLB) and decent 1B defense and baserunning, and Mayberry becomes a valuable player on any MLB team. Yes, ANY MLB team.

Just don't expect him to hit RHP very well.

@TheHook: just ask DPatrone for his source. They'll be able to tell you all about it.

I'm really surprised and happy with this off season so far. I am surprised Amaro hasn't spent big already before the market develops, and I am happy to hear Sarge may be gone.

When you think about it, Mayberry is the reverse Andre Ethier, who has the considerable fortune of being and batting left-handed. If Ethier were a RHH, he would occupy the same type of utility role as Mayberry.

.238/.296/.352, 1111 PA - Ethier vs. LHP

.232/.302/.379, 504 PA - Mayberry vs. RHP

Sometimes genetics plays a role in a player's success.

Lucky Andre...

"Don't forget that with Wiggy gone, Mayberry is also the backup 1Bman."

Hopefully that job will belong to Darin Ruf next year.

Iceman, I'm OK with either Mayberry or Ruf giving a day off to Howard when a tough lefty is on the mound.

As long as it's a LHP, Mayberry is a decent fill-in.

awh: "Mayberry becomes a valuable player on any MLB team."

This is true, as long you realize that the value is limited to a backup role.

I think Frandsen and Galvis as the utilty infielders is just about perfect especially since Galvis is a swithch hitter. With Utley and Rollins there should be plenty of chances to use them. And I'm assuming that the 3B option is probalby going to be someone older like Youk or Chavez. If that's the case the utility infielder(s) should get plenty of time on top of pinch hitting and running duties. Of course, Charlie needs to start giving Rollins a little more time off and with Utley that should be a given.

Rollins gets his rest while running up the first base line.

Bonehead FTW!

I'm against Galvis playing in the majors this year. The Phillies' organization owes it to themselves to give Galvis a fair shot at becoming a starter some day. Sitting on the bench and facing MLB pitching at his current level is the opposite of what the kid needs to have a chance a succeeding.

Will regular time in the minors turn him into a starter? Maybe not, but the risk of "losing him" as our backup infielder is far from the reward of Galvis actually becoming a fixture of this team in the future.

Like most here, I would place Galvis at AAA and play him every day. But if Rollins or Utley goes down, I would bring Freddie up to play (almost) every day as the replacement.

I don't subscribe to the theory that more time in AAA is the only way Galvis could become an everyday major leaguer. In a perfect world we would have another capable utility guy, and by spring training we may. If that's the case, by all means leave him down. But having him play this year at the major league level and get 250 to 300 bats doesn't necessarily mean you will be stunting his development. And as someone else mentioned earlier, it's just possible that he will never be more than a major league utility guy anyway. If the big club needs him that is where he should be.

Vic is generating more interest than I thought he would this offseason. Did like the idea of him back here on a 1-yr deal that was similar to last year's salary (~$9M) and thought it would be potentially beneficial to both parties.

If Vic gets 3-yr guaranteed though at even his salary last year ($9.5M), he would be a fool not to take it.

donc: My counter would be to really look at what you are gaining by Galvis on your roster over having anyone else(besides Martinez) play, like the topic discussed Andres Blanco.

#1 Is Galvis's glove even special enough to make up for his putrid offense in the first place?

#2 If you answer yes to #1, How many innings/PA would Galvis need to play before you can even quantify his improvement to the team over a replacement?

#3 After you pass the minimum inning/PA threshold of Galvis giving you an upgrade, how much more innings/PA until it equates to the Phillies being screwed anyway since thier utility man is playing so much?

Basically, you've got a condition that might not even be true(Galvis better than alternatives) with a small range of actual playing time to realize it, but without overdoing it. Just not worth it to me.

Lore: If somebody better comes along I agree. I'm just not sure that major league experience won't help him improve more than AAA. No way to be sure though. Just a hunch.

I made this comparrison before but Galvis reminds me a lot of Larry Bowa when he came up. Bowa couldn't hit a lick at first but he slowly matured during his rookie season. He miraculously made it to .250 on the last day of the season. With Galvis' back injury and subsequent suspension we never got to see how much he may have developed, but there were a lot of similarities. In fact Galvis has much more pop than Bowa ever had. It remains to be seen if he came by that pop naturally or due to cheating. Of course, if PED's actually enhanced his offensive numbers last year, it all may be a moot point.

It seems like most of the comment here are from people who long for the days of mediocrity. If your willing to have a team full of average players and no stars then why pay more. There are players in the phillies minor league system and on the bench who can hit .250. Why pay a free agent an extra million to do the same.If Mayberry is so bad then why does everyone want the team to sign free agents with with worse numbers than his. If this kinda thinking sticks like it did for years when Giles was in charge you can see the same results . Years and years of third place or lower.

I'm just not sure that major league experience won't help him improve more than AAA. No way to be sure though. Just a hunch.

donc, I think that I want Galvis to bat every day for two reasons:
1. If he has potential, maximize it through experience.
2. If he doesn't, I'd have a really good chance of finding out in AAA.

Than again, if the Phils sign a rickety 3B (Youk or Chavez), to add to the rickety Utley and rickety Howard, and the slowing but not yet rickety Rollins, then you might want a replacement on hand. It's a tough balance between maximizing Galvis' potential vs. the immediate needs of the team.

Mayberry's principal value is that can is a cheap reserve OF who can play all 3 positions (and 1B if pressed) & is on the right side of 30.

Mayberry's numbers overall last year stunk but to me the biggest disappointment was his baserunning. No reason a guy with his speed should be more decisive or probably have ended up with at least 10-12 SBs. Seemed to get lousy jumps almost the entire year last year and don't take enough opportunities to take the extra base.

He's a 4th OF and in that role he is okay. Biggest asset is that Mayberry is cost-controlled yet and cheap. Going to make under >$1M again this year (my bet is 800-850k).

Only veterans OF in FA who will sign for that amount on are leftover guys in Jan who are just really competing for a MLB guaranteed contract instead of a minor league deal.

Mayberry is one guy too that I can actually see benefiting a bit from a new hitting instructor and coaches.

Mayberry put the ball in to play 37 times last year on his first pitch in 479 PAs (7.7%).

When he did, he had very good numbers with a line of .378/.378/.649 (1.027 OPS) with 3 HRs. Bet opposing pitchers tried to sneak a 1-pitch fastball by Mayberry more often than not when Mayberry swung first pitch too.

Mayberry was more aggressive than in 2011 when he only put the ball into play in 10 PAs out of 296 PAs (3.4%).

Part of the adjustment Mayberry had to make as more pitchers threw him stuff in the zone on the first-pitch because I bet the opposing scouts and the numbers guys occured at the same conclusion: Get ahead of Mayberry in the count on the first pitch and he is in real trouble.

Mayberry isn't a guy with good pitch recognition skills, has a long looping swing through the box, and the only offspeed pitch he can really handle consequently is the curveball (which he mashes).

All hitters are better when they are ahead in the count but if you look at Mayberry's numbers when he was behind in the count last year they are putrid:

.153/.164/.215 (.380 OPS) with 2 HRs in 144 PAs where he put the ball into play

I hope Steve Henderson encourages Mayberry to be even a bit more aggressive this year on the first pitch and early in the count when he is ahead.

Mayberry is a fastball hitter too but I would love to see the numbers on how he did vs 4-seam fastball last year especially when he was even/behind in the count.

My initial conclusion would be that Mayberry is looking too often for a breaking pitch or a cutter/sinker and really struggles vs fastballs behind in the count too because his swing isn't compact & he has poor initial pitch recognition skills.

I did get a chance this weekend to see some of the STATS analytical products and man they are ridiculously cool. So easy to slice and dice the data for an individual hitter or pitcher with some really cool data visualization tools.

Not sure about pitch-type, but Mayberry's numbers when down in the count last year were way, way below league average (NL average over .500 OPS, Mayberry was ~.380).

He's not going anywhere. He's a solid 4th OF with the potential to rake for a week or more at a time. I like what he brings to the table. The Phils just need more threatening starters so they can limit Mayberry to less than 300 PA next year.

Everybody beats the saber-stuff to depth but I would love to see even a brief article piece that analyzes some of the data aggregation and analytical solutions providers to see if STATS is crowding out everyone else in baseball simply because of their much deeper corporate pockets (News Corp) and what are some of the trends in other ideas including video analysis, granular minor league record data aggregation, and injury prevention/treatment.

Just so much cool stuff going on behind the scenes that would be unique to write out & I largely see the main sports stream media almost cover none of it or do it very sporadically.

Buster Olney weighs in with two tweets:

The Phillies are among the teams talking with Cody Ross.

The Phillies are OK with the high annual salary that Josh Hamilton might command, but they have concerns about the length of the deal.

Incidentally... I'm okay with a high annual salary for Hamilton if it isn't a long deal.

Kicker with Hamilton isn't the annual salary he gets but the years. I think he will get 5 years from somebody but the question is does he get the 6th (even a 7th year that his agent almost certainly floated).

" I largely see the main sports stream media almost cover none of it or do it very sporadically."

Define main stream sports media. How do you envision them covering it? Most have added more advanced stats to their coverage (ESPN partnered with fangraphs; most coverage on mult networks includes some version of Pitchfx). Boneheaded as he is, Bill Simmons has covered some of the advances in basketball analytics (TBF, in is own way). Katie Baker has written about the advanced stats in hockey for Grantland; Bill Barnwell has done the same for the NFL.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/19132/the-marriage-between-stats-and-football

If RAJ's first big acquisition is Cody Ross, I wouldn't care if he signed Hamilton for minimum wage. Offseason=failure

Sophist - Simmons has and in general I have liked the journalism that Grantland along with several of the '30 for 30' documentaries.

Still seems to be an exception though with some one-off pieces.

Willard, why SO down on Cody Ross? Is it that Ty Wigginton is 4th on the similarity list through age 31?

I think Cody Ross's total body of work is a bit better than Phillies fans give him credit for. The problem is, you have no idea which Cody Ross you'd be getting. Is it the .800 OPS guy from last year and from 2008-2009? Or is it the .730 OPS guy from 2010-2011? The former would be a solid addition. The latter would be a RH version of Dom Brown.

@Chicago Phan: like I said, i haven't talked to my friend in ages. I know as much as you do. when will you guys get off my back about that?

I like Hamilton a lot, maybe sign him to a 7 year deal. Play him in high prime and then turn him into a hitting coach in his later years when he is no longer hitting well but under contract. Sounds like a win win.

"I like Hamilton a lot, maybe sign him to a 7 year deal."

WHAT????? Is this imposter DPatrone?

I admittedly will probably be happy with the Phils get Hamilton, because he instantly improves the offense tremendously. But that excitement will probably quickly taper away if the deal is 5+ years in length (which it probably will be).

Like I said last week...we're all going to be talking about how we should have seen the Hamilton signing coming a mile away.

The problem is, you have no idea which Cody Ross you'd be getting. Is it the .800 OPS guy from last year and from 2008-2009? Or is it the .730 OPS guy from 2010-2011? The former would be a solid addition.

Ross is reasonably consistent -- you've lost sight of the offensive decline in baseball. His OPS+ since 2008:
107, 104, 95, 107, 113. That's pretty consistent. This year's 113 looks like it might have been aided by Fenway. Most other years his home/away splits have been pretty close.

If you're looking for stats-oriented journalism, the people Grantland has brought in are very solid- but Bill Simmons himself is pretty much the last person you'd want to go to. He has made some half-assed efforts to delve into basketball statistics himself, but those efforts are few and far between. The guy thinks that crowds can carry teams to victories in every realm of sports. All his stuff is extremely superficial, stream-of-consciousness crap. He is an extreme lightweight, doesn't really try to pretend otherwise, and I'm not sure you'll find anyone who disagrees.

He does have an eye for talent, though, in this field, and has hired people to explain concepts that he himself can't fully grasp or articulate.

"Ross is reasonably consistent -- you've lost sight of the offensive decline in baseball."

The league-wide decline in OPS certainly gives some context to Ross's fluctuations. But I'm not really prepared to say that it explains them. We don't even really understand why the decline in offense has happened, so I'm certainly not going to leap to the conclusion that it explains any particular player's decline.

"Ross is reasonably consistent -- you've lost sight of the offensive decline in baseball."

The league-wide decline in OPS certainly gives some context to Ross's fluctuations. But I'm not really prepared to say that it explains them. We don't even really understand why the decline in offense has happened, so I'm certainly not going to leap to the conclusion that it explains any particular player's decline.

Hamilton. Nyet.

donc: "I made this comparrison before but Galvis reminds me a lot of Larry Bowa when he came up. Bowa couldn't hit a lick at first but he slowly matured during his rookie season."

You have made that comparison before and I have shown that it is bogus before. Compare Bowa's minor league stats to Galvis and see the difference.

clout: "Compare Bowa's minor league stats to Galvis and see the difference."

Why don't you do it for us and make your own point, instead of waiting for someone else to do it and then counter with a different twist o criteria.

bap: "The league-wide decline in OPS certainly gives some context to Ross's fluctuations. But I'm not really prepared to say that it explains them. We don't even really understand why the decline in offense has happened, so I'm certainly not going to leap to the conclusion that it explains any particular player's decline"

I don't think it matters. While each player could have their own unique reasons of why they are hitting worse than they did in the past - the one truth we know is that offensive production is more rare in today's environment, and each individual player's production should be evaluated against it.

Ross's production has been largely consistent amongst his peers in similar ballparks over the past 5 years.

more big picture/philosophical thought:

I think the downward shift in the run environment is most attributable to the rise of pitching talent and the continued rampant specialization of the bullpen. The mid90s-mid2000s was dominated by offensive players which prompted teams to react by prioritizing the importance of pitching to neutralize, as well as the importance to preserve the health of pitching talent.

Pair that ramped up agenda for pitching with today's bullpen management, and i think MLB has shifted the competitive balance towards pitching. A bullpen in today's game is made up of guys who all can usually do 1 thing extremely well, and are used solely for those situations most of the time. The rules of baseball make it so much easier to use 4-5 pitchers a game compared to hitters, and to me it seems like managers/front offices are maximizing that advantage in the rules moreso in recent years than even before.

I wouldn't know where to look it up, but if there is a stat that counts the average # of pitchers used in a game, that 2010-2012's average would be higher than all years previous. I know specialization has been around for years, but it is now a focus in farm systems as well, and that lag time of when the minor leagues/college first starting perfecting their bullpen specialization is now upon us in the majors.

I'm not sure what I think of Cody Ross just yet.

I want absolutely nothing to do with Josh Hamilton.

I wouldn't know where to look it up, but if there is a stat that counts the average # of pitchers used in a game, that 2010-2012's average would be higher than all years previous. I know specialization has been around for years, but it is now a focus in farm systems as well, and that lag time of when the minor leagues/college first starting perfecting their bullpen specialization is now upon us in the majors.


Posted by: lorecore | Monday, November 12, 2012 at 05:06 PM


Another way to look at this would be to examine if the number of same side batter-pitcher matchups has increased of a % of overall batter-pitcher matchups. This would suggest an increase in specialization as well.

I assume the ratio of RHP to LHP and RHB to LHB is relatively constant over time (but I suppose you could normalize for it as well).

Ross would the typical FA signing of days past for the Phils.

A middle-tier FA on the wrong side of 30 who the Phils overpay and get an inadequate return.

He's a slightly above average offensive player who really doesn't do everything particularly well and is below average on the basepaths. Nothing special either defensively.

Really pay $8-$10M year for 2-3 years for a guy who say hits .260/.325/.420 with ~15 HRs next year as a full-time corner OF?

lorecore: Done it before. Anyone interested can look it up. I bet even you could do it.

clout: bowa has a .650 OPS in 1833 minor PA, galvis has a .613 OPS in 2179 PA. Thats a pretty small gap, and Galvis' is doing it a younger age, which closes the gap even more.

I'm not going to defend Simmons. Just don't think it's true that the analytic movement in sports is going unreported. ESPN has been covering a lot of it, even though their emphasis (Skip Bayless, Sportsnation) is on entertainment.

Yeah, to be honest, a thread that boasts Bill Simmons as anything other than the vapid, page view seeking drone he's become and additionally touts the merits/upsides of the quite punchable Cody Ross kind of makes me wish for the old BL, where we just drone endlessly about the Abreu trade.

Just 92 days until P's&C's. I think I can, I think I can...

The Phil's are inked to just about every OF available reports XYZ. I'll sit on the sidelines for a bit until some of the dust settles. Do these guys have any real insight or are they just guessing. In hopes that 1 or 2 out every 10 guess is right. Giving them some credibility lol..

Ice~ It is. I'm not commenting on anything until it happens. There's no need. Yes, I guess I'm antsy waitng for something to happen. I'd rather see BJ than Josh (RH bat), but again, I'll comment on things when thay happen. I can't get involved in conversations where someone is impersonating me. I've been told this is happening on other sites as well, but I assure you, here is the only site I post on. I know I'm certainly not the most popular poster here, but I guess imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Talk to you when something happens my friend.

MG: "[Ross] really doesn't do everything particularly well"

Ross's career v. LHP: .284/.353/.575/.928

ROY Ballots in case anybody was curious:

Mike Trout 28/0/0 140
Yoenis Cespedes 0/19/6 63
Yu Darvish 0/9/19 46
Wei-Yen Chen 0/0/2 2
Jarrod Parker 0/0/1 1

Bryce Harper 16/8/8 112
Wade Miley 12/13/6 105
Todd Frazier 3/7/9 45
Willin Rosario 1/2/1 12
Norichika Aoki 0/2/5 11
Yonder Alonso, Matt Carpenter and Jordan Pacheco each got 1 third place vote for 1 point each.

The Phils' bench for 2013 already may be in place:
- Kratz
- Frandsen
- Galvis
- Mayberry
- Ruf or Brown (whichever one is not playing, if Ruf sticks and they use a platoon in LF)

Not bad.

Alternatively, the Phils could start Galvis in AAA. When either Rollins or Utley goes down, call Galvis up. Otherwise, keep him down on the farm for another year.

No votes for Erik Kratz? What a hoax.

derek, outside the Galvis inclusion, I suppose I'm okay with that, by and large.

This may be one of the few Spring Trainings where the bench players don't appear to be as polarizing a need.

Sadly, that distinction falls to the starting 3B and most of the OF...

DPat- I figured so. Didn't take you for the type that would hand out that type of contract.

I would like to see Galvis on this team next year. At the very least he gives you very good defense at SS &2B, I'm sure he could play 3B, and I bet he could play solid defense in CF as well. He wont hit .300 and hit 20 HR, but for a utility guy he should be league average. Who else would anyone want to see in that spot on the bench?

Iceman - Didn't realize the splits. I'll take those Cody Ross splits and see them with Mayberry's vs LHP

.284/.328/.547 (.875 OPS) with 20 HRs in 344 career PAs.

That's for under $1M.

Last word on Ross:

I was more excited for when they signed Jenkins than I would be if they signed Ross

The Geoff Jenkins who was coming off back-to-back 101 OPS+ years? Ross must have killed your puppy or something. :)

Jason Bourgeois any one?

Set to be a free agent, wouldn't cost any thing, minor league deal probably, right handed hitting and fielding, In 93 games stole 31 bases. Might be worth taking a minor league flyer on.

MG- Ross has a 9 year track record of killing LHP. Mayberry has 344 PA with lesser number (especially last season- huge gap between he and Ross). In his first season of full time last year, he didn't get a walk against LHP until September. Plus, Ross isn't completely neutered by RHP. But yeah, keep telling yourself that Mayberry would be essentially the same player.

Anyone that wants Mayberry back on the team getting as many ABs as he did last year because he makes peanuts is a complete loon that wants this team doomed to mediocrity. Mayberry was anchor on this offense for weeks at a time last season, especially against RHP. Ross would completely eliminate the possibility of that happening again. This is a separate argument from the 'Well, he doesn't deserve 3 years' argument. Of course he doesn't. But he is a much better player than Mayberry, and better against LHP.

Basically MG has seen that Amaro is targeting Ross, so he'll become his Primary Enemy #1 as a means of bashing Rube until the next rumor pops up.

The best thing about MG's crusade against Ross because he's on the wrong side of thirty and 'doesn't do anything particularly well' is that he's an advocate of signing Kevin Youkilis.

- Kratz
- Frandsen
- Galvis
- Mayberry
- Ruf or Brown

Is not a very good bench. Kratz might actually turn into an above average backup C (since he has power as a batter). Frandsen and Galvis are poor hitters. Mayberry is a nice fit, good platoon hitter with defensive and baserunning skills. Ruf or Brown are wildcards. I think Nix or Schierholtz sticks ahead of Ruf if it is for a bench spot, since they are lefthanded and better fielders.

From @incarceratedbob: **Phillies Rumors** Bourn / Upton / Josh Hamilton hearing great chance at 2 out of the three (Ross backup plan) : Perez from Indians

He knows weird stuff....

That would be interesting...

I have a feeling like we're going to sign Hamilton despite Beerleaguer's glaring concerns. I like the guy when he, you know, plays, but he's such a liability... and for just really dumb stuff. Fans in Texas booed him; fans in Philly will chew him up.

I wish we had some trade fodder for Justin Upton. Again, not going to be a fan of a BJ signing, but after having read through a couple of threads I'm at least lukewarm to it.

Sneak Ichiro in there and I'll be excited because he's my favorite player and I think he's still got a lot of juice left in the tank for the right team; sign Vic and I'll be happy for old time's sakes. Otherwise, I don't think I'm going to care that much. Any guy that we sign's going to have to prove to me that they're worth the money.

@Elephant yes on Bourgeouis, even if it means a small guarantee.

Iceman - Because if it means spending say $8M next year to sign Youkilis to start at 3B vs a combination of Frandsen/Chavez (talk about a fluky year) or Frandsen/Galvis vs Ross in LF/RF vs a platoon of Nix/Mayberry or Ruf then yeah I would rather see the Phils gamble on signing Youkilis.

I don't get the Frandsen love or the thought that he is offensively or defensively capable giving even average performance at 3B next year.

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