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Saturday, September 22, 2012

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Let's go Cubbies!

These Cubs announcers don't take the Phillies' role in this Wild Card race as seriously as we do.

Let's hope that the Cubs are to the Cards as the 'stros are to the Phils!

Cubs are about to blow it, I'm afraid.

With the game on Fox, LA will probably be off again. I recall him saying something about the 22nd(today) several weeks ago. Could he be getting married today?

Come on, Cubbies!

johnnysanz, thanks for that link to the ESPN Magazine article on Rollins which Fatalotti recommended. I loved it. If I were my 15-yr. old self, I'd print it for a Phillies scrapbook.

Matt Gelb ‏@magelb
Interesting that even with a lefty pitching, Juan Pierre starts. Against last three LHP, Ty Wigginton was in LF.

I, for one, am pleased.

Marmol Marmol Marmol...

I'm at a party and continuing to sneak away to check scores. I can't contain my delight at the way the league is cooperating today.

Did Marmol give up the lead? Grrr...
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From Gelb:

An overlooked element to postseason races
Cincinnati could clinch the NL Central as soon as today, but don't expect them to let up. With the addition of the second wild card, there is a heavy emphasis on having the top record. Cincinnati and Washington are separated by a half game.

The advantage of being the No. 1 seed? You would see a team that probably used its best starter in the one-game playoff. The No. 2 seed will start in San Francisco and face Matt Cain and Madison Bumgarner, a daunting task.

Why is this important to the Phillies? The Reds have eight games remaining vs. LA, MIL, STL.

...and as I write that the €}{^,€| Cards score

Beltran HR in top of 9th to tie cubs/cards game

Good Charlie quote about the team, from a Mandy Housenick article (LV Morning Call):

"I'm proud of them," Manuel said. "I've seen times when we could've folded. It got close to that. … And that's a mark of a bunch of guys who love to play and definitely want to win. I think one of the biggest things about it, and you can go ask the players, we love the fact that we play before a full house every night. We definitely want to play for our fans."

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Oh my God, is Marmol the biggest POS on the face of the planet.

I've been feeling contemplative today. Wonder how many years the combination of a DH and 2nd Wild Card could keep the Rollins-Howard-Utley core together in Philly. The effects of the DH would be obvious (though I'm still opposed), but this extra WC allows them to remain playoff contenders despite a (hopefully) gentle decline in skills, and might allow management to keep the old gang together for sentimental/PR reasons. Funny to think of the next years looking up at the playoffs instead of the now-accustomed condescension.

Also, Chase seems to be feeling quite frisky again, wonder if another good year in 2013 would land him a three year deal. I imagine him to be one to retire having played with only one franchise, and not one to squeeze out every last cent possible, but maybe that's just part of the beatification.

Just saw the funniest thing on "Fox Funnies". Fair ball into RF, rolled to the side wall, where a fan reached over and picked it up as the Orioles player was headed for it. The O's guy made a "WTH?" protesting gesture with his arms, and the fan seemed to realize that the ball was supposed to be in play - - so he threw it at the OF'r! Then he got up and walked away, head bowed. At least he had the good manners to be sorry about his mistake.

Wow,Yadier comes out after twisting himself out of the way of a pitch. Now kick 'em while they're down.

Yeah. I posted too early. Fingers crossed for the Cubs to pull this one out.

Molina couldn't carry Chooch's jock. What a ponce.

Come on, Cubs. Just one little run.

Okay, now I'm a little embarrassed at sounding so mean. But clearly this is huge for the Phillies if Molina can't play.

Neck tatts are bad karma.

Oh thank goodness L.A. is back.

(So cruel when the Phils are on Fox but not in NYC.)

Brewers scored 2. 10-4 now w/1 out in the 9th.

Shouldn't Chase have thrown that to Doc rather than dive for Bourn? He almost made it back to 1B.

1st inning Doc.

Crap.

Can KK pitch again?

Halladay just plain blows this season.

Boggs pitching for STL for the fourth time in five days, love the trickling effects the Cubs are inflicting (and I wouldn't mind if Molina strained an oblique and had to miss three or four games).

Odd how Halladay has become the starter I have the least confidence in this season.

OMFG - Halladay is having a year to forget (I hope)

You know, Saturday is hte one day I can watch baseball live. Of course, it's teh one day that the Phillies are infrequently on TV here.

What's Up, Doc?

Cubs have 2 on but 2 out and Boggs is coming in.

Hoping the stars are aligned. Cubs & Phillies score.

Brewers lost.

Extras in Chicago.

If we make the 2nd WC, credit to KK. If we don't, Doc's a big reason. I know it bothers him more than it bothers anyone else. Hope he can fix what's ailing him (whether physical or pitching issue or both) this off-season.

Doc out of the stretch. He is laboring when guys get on base, and it's something that needs to be addressed during the offseason.

We're gonna get shut out, aren't we?

I like it better when we're the team that scores in the 1st inning. Surprising, I know.

MIL finally lost a game, so we need to step up. I know it's a lot to expect us to keep winning and winning, but this is the situation in which we find ourselves.

I wonder if we will ever find out what is wrong with Roy.

Now STL has 2 on with 2 outs.

Cards take the lead.

Stars moving out of alignment.

Gelb: "Halladay doesn't look right. Already action in bullpen. Second inning."

Gee, ya think?

Wow. This is not the Doc anyone knows. Just a complete turnaround from years past. Years and years of consistently great pitching, and now such a struggle this year!

Hoping for a K, fearing a HR.

Too early for the hook? I'm actually serious.

WOW on Horst up in the pen. If only they'd had this quick of a trigger in some previous starts.

Still love Chooch calling a 3-2 curveball.

My mother, a very casual baseball fan but a nurse with 50+ years under her belt is convinced Doc has heart issues.

Roy Halladay's Melting Point: ≥ 80°F

Horrible.

God I hate baseball.

Almost as bad as a HR.

Why did they leave him in so long? "Long" being an extremely relative term, considering it's the 2nd inning.

This is painful to watch for Doc.

Jim Salisbury ‏@JSalisburyCSN
That's it for Halladay. Six runs in two innings. Charlie hinted he wasn't right the other day when he said, "We gotta watch Doc."


Really? What is going on? I'm worried about him. And I think our ship is sinking again. Or at least it feels like that with our Ace at such a low point.

Fork time. For real. Sucks. I thought they were going to pull this off two weeks ago, and slowly rekindled belief over the past few nights.

Doc coming up super small here.

have we seen the last of doc for the year?

Jim Salisbury ‏@JSalisburyCSN
That's it for Halladay. Six runs in two innings. Charlie hinted he wasn't right the other day when he said, "We gotta watch Doc."

Posted by: GBrettFan | Saturday, September 22, 2012 at 04:46 PM

We're worried about Doc and 3 GB in the wildcard so we're going to pitch him anyway and if he gives up 6 runs we'll pull him ::rolls eyes::

RLP, I also think somethin else is wrong beyond the typical baseball injury. I'm not a medical professional, but somehow I believe it goes beyond what we all know now.

Think Doc is probably hurt or getting too old, not just 'coming up small'.

I feel bad for Doc. He's such a competitor. It has to be killing him to experience such futility.

I agree, 3r0ck. I don't understand starting him. I think it was sheer hope that he could give us a few decent innings and lack of a good starter to fill in.

If chuckles kinda knew something wasnt right a few days ago..

Why did he even pitch today ?

So, JW mentioned Moyer in a tweet.....What do you guys think? .

So much for LA's recommendation to "chip away" at the lead.

Definitely feels like a loss.

I get the sense posters here think Hallladay isn't 100%

Nicely done, Horst.

Thome with a 12th inning bomb. 7-5 O's

David O'Brien: "Halladay has a 7.44 ERA and no wins in 6 starts vs. Braves over past 2 seasons (27 earned runs in 32-2/3 innings)"

Not Good.

as you were...7-6 O's.

clout: At least if Halladay's injured he has an excuse. It's ever-so-slightly less depressing than thinking he's just done all of a sudden.

This is pretty funny:

Mandy Housenick ‏@inthephilshouse
RT @mikekhaley: My son just went to his room, got his Halladay shirsey out of a drawer, and gave it to his sister. #futureWIPcaller

F Charlie & Dubeee. How they handled pitchers and injuries this year should get them fired alone.

At any rate, r00b should steer clear of trading any starting pitchers (read: Cliff Lee) this coming offseason. Between Halladay & Worley there's already too much uncertainty.

So...time to shut Doc down for the year?

I can smell that dump on the mound he let all the way up in Vermont.

I don't know about you guys but I am 100% riding in the back of the O's Bandwagon. Love that team and story. And Thome, of course.

Hey, at least we won't be shut out.

Rooting for the O's, too, TK.

If Charlie/Dubee thought that an ailing Doc was better than a healthy anybody else, I think they've been shown otherwise.

I cant wait to find out what type of surgery Doc will be having in the off-season...after an entire year of the FO saying he's fine.

NEPP: If I were to guess I'd say Halladay's pitching arm has been affixed w/ duct tape for the bulk of the season, courtesy of the Phillies' crack staff of medical geniuses.

Considering how long it took them to shut down Worley I doubt Halladay won't finish his season up until October 3rd.

Time to shut down Zombie Halladay before he hurts himself.

I think Charlie saying "We need to watch Doc" is a pretty clear indication that he knows Halladay isn't fine.

Duct tape....love it, GTown!

Glad I checked the box score before bothering to turn the game on.

Whoever said he 'came up small' is a complete moron. Let's leave aside the fact that this is the same guy that put the team on his back in a do or die game 5 last year only to get ZERO runs of support.

He is clearly not all there. Whether it be something mechanical, or an actual injury, it isn't Doc out there. He isn't going out there and choking. This isn't a guy that goes out there and craps the bed. It was clear he had nothing today, and hasn't been able to count on having anything for a majority of the season.

Again, his problems are mainly out of the stretch. Anybody who watches him can see that, and the numbers bear that out. Now it might be that he's hurt, and while he's learned to get by out of the wind up, he can't muster that extra something out of the stretch and nibbles and labors as a result. Or it might simply be mechanical. I tend to think it's the former, because Halladay is simply too intelligent and meticulous to let something like this obvious problem get by him.

Honestly, I'm not sure what I want it to be. On the one hand, I don't want him to be hurt, because if it's a shoulder injury, that is not good for next year or for the remainder of his career. On the other hand, I want this to be an injury, because that means he didn't just lose it overnight. I'm 28 years-old and have never had seen a guy like Doc, in a Philly uniform, make me so idealistic as to believe that athletic perfection is possible. So I'm not sure I want to force myself to acknowledge that he isn't invincible. It's the kid in me.

Yeah, anyway. The 'coming up small' stuff is ridiculous.

From Salisbury:

Halladay, 35, has had a difficult season. His fastball velocity has been down since spring training and he’s thrown more off-speed pitches. He spent seven weeks on the disabled list at mid-season with what was termed a strained lat muscle behind his right shoulder. After coming off the DL, Halladay admitted that he had felt shoulder tightness since spring training. Recently manager Charlie Manuel had hinted that Halladay was not right. Manuel had been asked about using pitchers on short rest in a playoff hunt, and he responded that it would be difficult because there were pitchers on the staff that had to be monitored closely.

“We’ve got to watch Doc,” Manuel said.

On Saturday, the Phils watched Halladay walked off the mound in the second inning of an important game. One has to wonder if he’ll pitch again this season.

If Larry wasn't retiring this winter, he'd be the premier 3B FA on the market and would likely write his own contract.

How ridiculous is that?

Hopefully its something that can be fixed with a relatively non-invasive surgery...and not something like a rotator cuff.

NEPP -- yes, shut him down, he's not improving ... he had nothing and I was not surprised they took so long to get Horst up, given the general lack of imagination in that department, and that Meals didn't give him a marginal strike ... all bad

Howard has really come to life all of a sudden, hasn't he!

#300 for Howard - - Congratulations, Big Piece!

NEPP: ritchie ashburn faced a similar situation when he retired. but he said another season with the mets was more than he could take.

I hadn't read the 'we have to watch Doc' comment. I'll be interested to see what comes out after the season about what's happening. Because something is going on.

It goes without saying that if they have let him go out there and risk his career and long-term health, knowing he'll have to labor and add exertion to his regimen to overcome it, all in the name of having the 4.00 ERA version of Doc out there for the stretch run, it is incompetence of the higher order.

I think RLP's suggestion of a heart issue is something worth considering. I still find it hard to believe he had two examinations of his shoulder midseason and both doctors just missed something. And we all see what he looks like in the heat. Despite the jokes about it, it isn't funny.

Congrats on HR #300, Ryan Howard. Wish it had come under circumstances more well-suited to celebration.

Whoever said he 'came up small' is a complete moron. Let's leave aside the fact that this is the same guy that put the team on his back in a do or die game 5 last year only to get ZERO runs of support.

He is clearly not all there. Whether it be something mechanical, or an actual injury, it isn't Doc out there. He isn't going out there and choking. This isn't a guy that goes out there and craps the bed. It was clear he had nothing today, and hasn't been able to count on having anything for a majority of the season.

Again, his problems are mainly out of the stretch. Anybody who watches him can see that, and the numbers bear that out. Now it might be that he's hurt, and while he's learned to get by out of the wind up, he can't muster that extra something out of the stretch and nibbles and labors as a result. Or it might simply be mechanical. I tend to think it's the former, because Halladay is simply too intelligent and meticulous to let something like this obvious problem get by him.

Honestly, I'm not sure what I want it to be. On the one hand, I don't want him to be hurt, because if it's a shoulder injury, that is not good for next year or for the remainder of his career. On the other hand, I want this to be an injury, because that means he didn't just lose it overnight. I'm 28 years-old and have never had seen a guy like Doc, in a Philly uniform, make me so idealistic as to believe that athletic perfection is possible. So I'm not sure I want to force myself to acknowledge that he isn't invincible. It's the kid in me.

Yeah, anyway. The 'coming up small' stuff is ridiculous.

Posted by: Iceman | Saturday, September 22, 2012 at 05:23 PM

Hey man, when you put in an all star pitcher you expect an all star performance. If he can't deliver, don't start him.

I know what he's done, but that doesn't change what happened today. He was put in a position to fail and he failed. It's Charlie's fault, but don't piss all over me because I have high expectations for an all-star pitcher.

And while we're at it I don't think any of us listen to every single thing out of Charlie's mouth. I had no idea Charlie said they were watching him as it was posted the same time as I posted he was coming up small.

He wasn't an all-star this year. He's a great pitcher struggling to make a successful transition to being a good pitcher.

Hey, if anyone wants to see football officials even worse than those currently employed by the NFL, check out the Temple/Penn State game! Shouldn't take more than 15-20 seconds for the next awful call.

I'm really glad some posters on here are showing great respect and even sympathy towards Roy Halladay ... as they should. It's in marked contrast to the vitriol Cliff Lee faced - even when he wasn't pitching that badly but didn't win. There was also a constant referral back to game 2 of the NLDS last year. (And yes Cliff Lee also had a history with the Phillies virtually carrying him on his left arm to the 6th game of the 2009 World Series.)

Anyway, I'm glad when I see people respect our ace pitchers.

As usual, Sorry Charlie locked the barn door after the horse was out. He says "We have to watch Doc closely" and then watched closely as Heyward put the game out of reach, after Doc had given up a 2-strike 3-run homer to Freeman the inning before. The way he was laboring, Doc should never have been allowed to pitch to Heyward and the Phils might still be in this game.

I think everyone realizes that Doc is a gamer who is playing hurt. No reason to rip him at all.

As usual, Sorry Charlie locked the barn door after the horse was out. He says "We have to watch Doc closely" and then watched closely as Heyward put the game out of reach ...

Classic Charlie. Constant ignorance.

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