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Monday, August 13, 2012

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Too bad BAP is a front runner or we could have had a quotable comment on the main unsung replacement hero, Erik Kratz.

Utley is having good at bats lately. But his fielding at second is alarming. JRoll had a couple of games where he was kicking the ball around, but he's been steady for the most part. But Utley looks like he's lost going to his right. He doesn't get to what he used to, and when he gets to it, he often doesn't pick it up.

If this is the new Utley, he does need to try left field or DH in the AL. I'd hate to see him go, but left field may be the answer. And once again, throw him out there now to see how he fares. This is the season to make any move you think might help you next season. Because this season is already in the rearview mirror.

Erik Kratz can make Chooch playing part time at third base palatable. They'd have to bring in someone else to split time with Kratz, but it's probably a low cost move than could marginally improve the team. Of course, that is contingent on Chooch being okay at third base. Too bad Charlie ran him into the ground during a very important stretch of games that might have decided fourth place.

Btw, if Chooch partially tore the plantar fascia, it is unlikely to improve much with rest. More likely, he should have the fascia separated completely with a scope and he'll be ready to rehab and go nest season. There is no sense messing around with a partial tear and ending up with a chronic problem. But hey, I'm sure the Phillies' crack medical team is on it.

Utley in left is intriguing and something that I've suggested before but I wouldn't count on it happening.

I can help him with the transition to the outfield.

Utley's arm in left field...

*shudders*

Juan - Would you be doing that before or after the Phillies hopefully let you go for less than stellar coaching?

Would Utley's arm be worse in LF than Juan Pierre's?

Not like that's the benchmark that should be set, but...

I've trashed Pierre's skill set on here aplenty, though I don't believe I've ever disparaged him personally. Either way, this quote is really cool from Pierre, and makes me appreciate him a little more, even if it doesn't do anything to make me still want him off the team for next year:

"I was a little excited. I got inspired watching Usain Bolt last night. Had a chance to go through the finish line there at first base and just got excited there playing a kid's game. No matter where you are in the standings, to win a big league game is always special and I never want to take that for granted. My errant throw today led to a big inning, and to be able to, not make up for it, but to be in a position to help the team win is pretty cool."

"Erik Kratz can make Chooch playing part time at third base palatable."

Yeah, and as of August 2011, John Mayberry looked like a great option to be a starting OF for the next season.

Point is--a AAA player having a hot month does not a major-league starter make. How many times do people have to be fooled to realize this?

By the way, I like Kratz, and I think he probably deserves a shot as the backup C next season.

But the idea that he could be the starter while Chooch moves to 3B is laughable, on multiple fronts.

"Too bad BAP is a front runner or we could have had a quotable comment on the main unsung replacement hero, Erik Kratz."

I was in and out during the game. The last thing I saw was Kratz's game-tying homer. After that, I took my son swimming. It was around 100 degrees here yesterday and researchers at Johns Hopkins Medical School recently found that it's dangerous to be front-running in that kind of heat.

Missed most of the series, JW? That makes you a frontrunner per clout's criteria.

Not a front-runner. Just a tired, old blogger who needs to get outside once in a while instead of tracking inconsequential baseball.

So the Phils need a 3B for next year, and Utley seems to be having trouble at 2B...how about moving Utley to 3B? Then if Galvis returns healthy, having his bat at 2B is much more acceptable.

I'm happy for Kratz getting a chance to play in the bigs. I'll wait and see a little more before I consider his bat a big asset going forward but, it's played big over his first 50 times up.

My limited view leaves me concerned about his glove. He has a strong arm but, he seems weak on errant pitches, and not just the ones that bounce. I also can't get the image out of my head of him making a tag play in a recent game. He got a one hop through that was up the 3B line and tried to one-hand it and tag in the same motion. He, of course, did not hold on to the ball and the runner was safe. Fundamentally atrocious play that I would hope no 32 year old would make.

Jack: I'm not suggesting Kratz could or should be the starting catcher. But there is a significant difference between him and Mayberry. Mayberry's 2-month hot streak followed on the heels of 2,975 minor league PAs, with consistently medicore results. Kratz's hot streak follows on the heels of 5 straight AAA seasons in which he has consistently put up excellent numbers -- especially for a catcher.

Another frontrunner checking in to say:
Kratz > Schneider
I'm not sold on moving Chooch to 3B. That's giving up a lot behind the plate on defense. Kratz is solid but clearly doesn't have the mobility that Ruiz does. However, Kratz as Chooch's backup sounds pretty good to me.

I also agree with aksmith on Utley's fielding. I don't think you see a move to LF for him as long as UC is manager.

Can someone envision a scenario in which Erik Kratz isn't a bargain basement backup C next season? We'd save like $500K when we jettison Schneider. And his work this year has certainly earned him the job.

nokwurst: in terms of impact on the lineup, why exactly is Utley at 3rd & Galvis at 2nd better than Galvis at 3rd and Utley at 2nd?

"I was a little excited. I got inspired watching Usain Bolt last night. Had a chance to go through the finish line there at first base and just got excited there playing a kid's game. No matter where you are in the standings, to win a big league game is always special and I never want to take that for granted. My errant throw today led to a big inning, and to be able to, not make up for it, but to be in a position to help the team win is pretty cool."

This is exactly why Juan Pierre is probably my favorite Phillie this year.

Unfortunately, Utley's arm does not translate to 3rd base.I believe it was tried in the minors.

Through sheer force of will, St. Utley will do whatever it takes to remain a viable major league defensive 2Bman.

Utley has been an average to slightly below average defensive 2nd baseman for several years now. But whatever. He can't play 3rd base; they tried it in the minors & it failed spectacularly. And if you move him to LF, who plays 2nd? Please don't say Galvis.

The Phillies lack for offense. It will be a lot easier to find a decent bat to play a corner OF position than it would be to find a decent bat to play 2nd base, if you moved Utley to LF.

Well the knock on penciling Galvis in at 3B is that traditionally you need a better bat at that position. So maybe move Utley there if it could save on his knees (no more DP breakups).
But I wasn't sure if his arm would play there, thanks Wes for info that it's been tried.
Back to the drawing board.

Kratz as a co-backup catcher makes sense to me. If he hits even .250 with some power, which seems completely possible, he is a positive. The question left would be who they bring in for catcher number three.

I see a three catcher rotation with Chooch catching no more than 60-70 games.

Utley to third is ridiculous. The reason for putting him in left is that it's the only outfield position that doesn't need a big arm. If Pierre can play there, and Dick Allen can play there with a lacerated throwing hand, then Utley can certainly handle it. He brings enough offensively to make up for his arm.

And completely agree that Kratz has earned a shot at the backup C job next year. If by June/July it's clearly not working, then call up one of the AA prospects.

I wonder what date in June Utley will make his 2013 debut?

"I wonder what date in June Utley will make his 2013 debut?"

Extrapolating from the last 2 seasons, I would put the date more like late July.

bap - I actually was going to say July but I was trying to be positive.

"It will be a lot easier to find a decent bat to play a corner OF position than it would be to find a decent bat to play 2nd base, if you moved Utley to LF."

Not moving Utley to LF would leave us short a decent corner OF bat (unless you count AAAberry), and short a decent bat to play 2B until at least mid-June.

I was thinking more like August.

The knock on penciling Galvis is 3B has less to do with positional scarcity and more to do with the fact that he had a 64 OPS+ during his time in the majors. If his juicing is to believed to have aided him at all, we should be even more terrified of his bat when he returns.

A 64 OPS+ out of ANY position is beyond wretched, even SS (which he won't be playing).

I was on vacation the last 10 days or so, have watched no baseball and read very little about how the team is doing. What's the word on Brown and his play since his call up...encouraging?

I get a kick out of many of the proposed "solutions" that are incumbent on guys changing positions in the twilight of their careers (Utley to 3B/LF, Chooch to 3B).

Bottom line, if these are the answers, then it only reaffirms the GM's marked lack of an ability to plan for the future. No GM puts together a long term plan that relies on a player changing positions. Trades, FA, etc. are much more likely scenarios.

That said, I could see TRYING Utley in LF, as his injury may inhibit his defensive ability at 2B, and it's not like he'd be taking anyone's spot next year, as OF as a whole is a bit of a need. But BAP's post regarding Galvis is spot on. He's not a starting MLB player!!! Even given his extended audition this year he sucked offensively, and we later found out that was "enhanced."

Oh, and as far as Ruiz moving anywhere, you're effing crazy. The entire starting pitching staff would have a conniption fit if it were even remotely considered. Ruiz is a good bit of the reason that these guys put up these gems every now and again.

‏@Phillies via Twitter:

OF Nate Schierholtz placed on 15-day DL with a fractured right great toe. INF Hector Luna recalled from @ironpigs.

Also, I haven't watched Utley much this year, but as recent as last year, his defense still rated very well in terms of UZR and the various metrics on baseball-reference.

B-ref, for example, has him as at least an average fielder this year. I think Utley, because of his ability to position well before the pitch, can remain an average-to-good defender at 2B.

Baron, first off, you're a front runner...

(kidding, had to slip that in there)

Brown has definitely shown some promise. He's having some really good AB's and seems to have come around on improving on the inside stuff with his long swing. It's still a bit early, but so far he seems to be "passing" his test.

I'm encouraged.

Is the great toe the same as the big toe?

Brown has been decent. Shown offensively basically what he did last year--decent average, really good ABs and plate discipline, but limited power right now. Honestly, I'm as big a fan of his as there is, but he needs to show power at some point to meet the projections people have for him as an above-average offensive OF.

Defensively, he hasn't been an issue at all, which is maybe the biggest positive.

I also missed all this front-runner stuff, so I don't even have the proper context to be insulted.

I'm actually glad to see that there hasn't been much written about him. The kid needs a chance to play some low-pressure ball, hopefully he's getting it.

"If his juicing is to believed to have aided him at all, we should be even more terrified of his bat when he returns."

I'm not that concerned about the juicing angle to his stats. I have far more confidence in Freddy Galvis's ability to find an alternative PED that does not show up in MLB urine tests than I am in his ability to become a viable big league hitter by 2013.

If Brown wants to start giving us reason to believe, he'd better start doing it soon. I know it's only been 46 PA, but he's starting to get to that age where he should be busting out a bit. He'll be 25 next year, and if he meanders through next year with a 100 OPS+ with suspect defense, you're starting to look at a 4th outfielder, as opposed to a cornerstone of the franchise for the foreseeable future.

"Utley has been an average to slightly below average defensive 2nd baseman for several years now."

Simply wrong. But, as ever, don't that stop any of you.

Fatty, I hear you, and don't disagree at all, more just wondering what folks have been seeing the last couple of weeks. I looked at the stat line, would like to see him break out as well at some point.

BAP, true. If Galvis is a starter on this team next year, you're looking at a black hole at the bottom of the order once again. If he's the starter at 3B, then God help us all.

"I have far more confidence in Freddy Galvis's ability to find an alternative PED that does not show up in MLB urine tests than I am in his ability to become a viable big league hitter by 2013."

And this is precisely why we have a "need" at 3B next year, and why Utley won't be moved. Simply put, Galvis is not an MLB caliber player offensively. As currently constructed, this lineup is not one to absorb an Omar Vizquel "defense only" infielder, either.

Baron, Brown is still showing a good eye for taking a walk (11.1% this year, 10.8% for his career...both good numbers), and he's not a strikeout machine, but the fact that his ISO is .077 this year, and he's never been higher than .147 in the majors is a bit of a red flag. He needs to develop power to be considered a big deal. Hopefully it's latent in there somewhere.

if anybody thinks that a one in per mil. particle of substance if juicing you're crazy. i'd put money that if he's healthy he's gonna be ok. bowa was a lousey hitter when he came up and made himself into a pretty good smartr hitter! galvis from what i can saw when he was playing is of the same mold. the only difference is he's already better than bowa was when he was brought up.

i laugh when i hear you guys talkin like you have all, the answers. i don't and neither do you.utley in lf. ha. as far as his 3rd base play failing spectacularly ha. they had the great defender d. bell there they only tried utley at third briefly! the conclusion if i remember was his arm strength. as far as i can see he's made some damn good relay throws over the years from out in short right. arm strength?

Utley can barely make throws from 2B...his arm would never play at 3B.

Agreed that ideally Galvis is best as Utility/Def bench player, or even AAA depth. I was just thinking loudly outside the box.

I sincerely do hope Rube signs/trades for a ligit 3B this offseason, and Chooch and Utley stay at their positions (and play > 120 games each.)

However if Rube can't find a good fit at 3B, what's the current backup plan?

- Sucks they won't get to take a better look at Schierholtz

- Last thing the Phils should do is move Utley to LF if they have to. His defense at 2B overall hasn't been an issue this year either. Just missed 1-2 balls he normally made plays on in the past yesterday and look a little slow getting up when he dove.

Moving him to LF is really an assessment of just how many games/innings Utley can play next year at 2B and if they would get more value in having his bat potentially in the lineup on a more regular basis.

Surprised if they did but if they did you have an OF of Utley/FA CF/Brown. Certainly would be better off with Utley at 2B but a question of how many GS can Utley play there vs LF. Does it benefit them to have Utley start 135-140 G in LF or 115-120 at 2B? Tough call.

"However if Rube can't find a good fit at 3B, what's the current backup plan?"

Polanco/Frandsen.

Ryne, our conclusion that Utley doesn't have the arm for LF and 3B is based on two things: anecdotal evidence having watched him over the years with his herky jerky throwing motion, and the other being the opinions of scouts and "baseball people" who tried him at 3B and realized that his arm (and other parts of his game) didn't play well there. If he wasn't good enough in his early 20s, what makes anyone think that he'll be able to do it now??

Also, you laugh at our arguments, but you trotted out the most laughable argument that gets thrown up here at BL (and many other sites) all the time. It's certainly possible that Galvis could one day learn to be a good hitter, but just because Larry freakin' Bowa did it for the Phillies over 30 years ago bears ABSOLUTELY NO REFERENCE on Galvis today.

For every Bowa who had a slick glove but couldn't hit to save his life that eventually figured it out, there are dozens that didn't figure it out and eventually became 25th men on the roster or organizational filler. Nobody here is discounting the possibility that Galvis might one day become a good hitter. Certainly, anything is possible. But if he is the starting 3B next year simply because there is an outside chance that he might one day learn to become a competent MLB hitter (let alone a competent 3B hitter), then RAJ should be fired on the spot, and the entire franchise should be sold off to more adequate baseball minds.

Also, your post, aside from the actual content, was just hard to read. Syntax and grammar shouldn't be criticized on a blog, I get that, but it was just plain difficult following what you were even trying to say.

From GMCarson's blog post of yesterday:

"Michael Martinez got the start at SS today and went 0-2, dropping his triple slash line to .130/.190/.185. Holy crapballs he's horrible, but loyal reader SirAlden loves him."

I expect the hilarity of the above comment will sail right past all but the most veteran of Beerleaguer posters (i.e., WP, clout, awh, MG). But for the few of us who have been posting long enough to remember Sir Alden, it's like a trip down memory lane.

My understanding also is that Utley tried 3B previously and that it did not take due primarily to his arm.

LF may be worth a try, but (my subjective observation only) I don't think he has the arm for LF either. Equaling Pierre or say, (blast from the past) Mickey Rivers isn't exactly a gold standard.

For next year I see Utley remaining at second. His experience, game savvy, positioning, and the ongoing several year tandem with Jimmy hopefully keep him near average level and make him the best option for that limited time window.

Galvis at third? Love the glove, but the bat scares me. However, if Rube does not pull an Olt out of his hat, and Chooch is not viable, it could happen.

People can complain about Utley to LF being crazy all they want (and they're right), but you know what's even crazier? Going through the same crap again this year with him sitting out three months before playing.

It's not exactly an inside-the-box situation they are dealing with here. Nothing should be off the table.

Frontrunner stuff/true fan crap is ridiculous. Interest has naturally waned because the Phils have no shot at the playoffs.

I was at the game yesterday because I have season tickets on Sundays. Would I have gone & purchased walk up tickets to see Worley start on a day like that? Not likely.

Listen to the games on radio lately if I have time but haven't watched many games since the break.

"loyal reader SirAlden loves him."

From what I remember of SirAlden, it's not surprising he's a loyal reader of Carson's blog.

Moving Utley to LF and starting Galvis at 2B makes them a weaker team. Not arguing that.

Have to look at some of the assumptions including many more games could Utley start in LF than at 2B, what kind of offensive production would they get out of Utley & Galvis, what would Galvis defense at 2B be compared to Utley's, and what would the offensive production they would get out of a say Schierholtz/Nix and Mayberry platoon in LF instead of Utley. Maybe Brown.

Is the infield clay so much harder on the legs than the outfield grass that it'll be less problematic for him to cover all of LF than it will be for him to cover between 2B and 1B?

I mean, if you have bad knees, I don't see how putting you in a position where you have to do wind sprints to chase balls in the gap is that much better on you than being at 2B.

I know you have less chances in the OF, but most of the chances at 2B aren't exactly of the variety where Chase has to go all out and dive all over the field. I'm not so sure that the benefits of sticking him in LF are great enough to offset the fact that you'd then have a middling bat in LF (if Utley is around 110 wRC++ next year), with incompetent defense in lF, with a lousy OF arm, and you still have to find a viable 2B replacement.

Like BAP said, it's probably easier to find a replacement LF than a replacement 2B, especially since Utley's current 125 wRC+ would still have him as the second best offensive 2B in the game (among qualified 2B).

On Bowa learning to hit over time in the ML. I raised this issue a few years ago here, and clout and a couple others enlightened me that (paraphrasing as best I recall) that Bowa was not really all that bad to begin with. I can't recall the stats cited, but they convinced me.

As I remember, Bowa did improve; but there have to be far, far fewer players who "eventually get it" in the ML and learn to consistently hit ML caliber pitching at that level, as opposed to those that continue to struggle and don't ever quite measure up. Would love for Galvis to be an exception though.

Also, according to Fangraphs (which everyone hates, but whatever), Utley is on a 6.49 WAR pace (if he had 700 PA). At the same PA rate, the best 2B in the game, Cano, is on a 7.68 pace.

Utley, when on the field, is still one of the best 2B in the game. If you move him to LF, and he gets you 15 more games, is that worth giving up the value he gives you at 2B? And if that means having to start Galvis, I just don't see it being even close.

Ryne: Suggesting Galvis is as good a hitter as Bowa is a stretch.

Bowa came up at age 24 as a weak hitter, but he did hit .278 in his minor league career, including a season over .300 in A ball.

Galvis has hit .246 in his minor league career and his highest full season average was .278.

Galvis is two years younger than Bowa when he came up, but he'd have to improve pretty fast to match Bowa. I think he's got more power than Bowa, but he'll fall far short in OB and AVG.

That post, of course, sent me scurrying on Google searches for things that Sir Alden has said about Martinez. Among other things, he described Mini-Mart's defense "at SS and CF" as "incredible." And this wasn't 2 years ago, before any of us had ever seen him play. It was in January of this year. In several other posts, he said that Galvis was no Mini-Mart when it came to defense. And, in April of this year when Mini-mart was on the DL, Sir Alden said that he couldn't wait for him to return "and help the lineup."

I have a historically dumb question here....It always seemed to me that Ultey was throwing with his offhand at 2B...Is he actually right-handed? Or is he left-hand dominant? He obviously needs his glove on his left hand to play second...but that isn't true about the outfield... The only reason I ask is that everyone knocks him for his arm strength at second as a reason he can't play the OF....I wonder if he'd be better off switching his glove over to his right hand and taking up shop in LF....Does anyone know the answer to this?

Utley's wOBA and wRC would place him 10th among qualified LFs...in case anyone was curious.

Fat - 15 games. It would only be if you think Utley is going to be able a lot more time. Even then, I don't know if the numbers work out with such a weak bat like Galvis playing 2nd.

If he was an average/slightly below average bat with great defense, the numbers would probably get closer to a break-even standpoint over 20-30 games.

***Utley, when on the field, is still one of the best 2B in the game. If you move him to LF, and he gets you 15 more games, is that worth giving up the value he gives you at 2B?***

No, it is not worth moving him...unless he is physically unable to play 2B regularly.

NEPP, good point. I forgot the LF crop this year has been pretty weak, overall.

MG, 15 was just a random number that came to my mind. How many games is it even possible to save Utley if he moves to LF? Is LF THAT much easier on the knees that we should expect 140 games out of him, or something like that?

b_a_p,

Just finished laughing at the Sir Alden/Mini-Mart post. If you ever get tired of appeals briefs, I think a baseball comedic routine with sort of a Bob Ueckeresque delivery could be part of your future.

Ironically, Utley has been hitting into some bad luck from all appearances. His BABIP is a ridiculously low .236 while his LD% of 17.3% is fairly close to his career average of 20.1% and much higher than last year's 12.7%. His popup rate is pretty high though so that might account for it. His GB and FB rates are unchanged.

On Utley: If he cannot play second, but can still hit, his new position is DH.

' Among other things, he described Mini-Mart's defense "at SS and CF" as "incredible."'

I'd certainly say his defense at SS and CF could be described as 'incredible'. Probably not the meaning SirAlden intended though.

Bob: That would be considerably more fun than writing appellate briefs, but I suspect my audience would be pretty limited.

I do not think Utley moving to LF solve the initial problem of his knee injury. You can argue that LF is less stressful, but what are we talking about here, like an extra 5 or so games a season he can "withstand"? I do not believe he can change positions to eliminate his need to miss time.

LF is more easily filled at an adequate level than 2B - that holds true in a historical perspective and specifically applies to the upcoming free agent class and Phils own system. Therefore, Utley is best kept at 2B, knee problems and all.

Not to sound cruel, but the Phillies should/will milk every bit of value Utley can give them next year - they don't need to figure out ways to keep a pending FA healthier in the long run.

NEPP, what do you mean by popup rate? On FG, his IFFB% is at 2.2%, which is ridiculously lower than his career rate of 9.1%

Not to sound cruel, but the Phillies should/will milk every bit of value Utley can give them next year - they don't need to figure out ways to keep a pending FA healthier in the long run.

Posted by: lorecore | Monday, August 13, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Not cruel at all. When you're compensated in the realm of tens of millions of dollars, milking you of all your worth is par for the course.

The only thing which is incredible about Mini-Mart is the fact that the Phillies keep bringing him back.

***what do you mean by popup rate? On FG, his IFFB% is at 2.2%, which is ridiculously lower than his career rate of 9.1%
***

You are right of course, I misread his infield hit rate when I noted it.

Good catch.

Frandsen has been a pleasant surprise in his small sample size so far this year (49 PAs) after two straight minor league seasons of a .300 average.

But what role would he potentially fill on a Phils team next year? Could he be the utility IF? He's got a limited amount of time at SS in his career, and no ML time at that position since 42 inning in 2009.

Bench: Kratz, Schierholtz, Mayberry, Frandsen and a 1B/3B pinch hitter

Is there enough glove in that bench? I'd prefer to have Galvis at AAA next year working on his bat.

KAS-
Are you assuming Nix is traded?
He's signed through 2013.

Bonehead: Who's this Nix guy you are talking about?

One day I was talking to Charlie and I said: "You know, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." Charlie then realized who I really was. That's why I'm here now and that's why I'll always be here.

Michael Martinez got the start at SS today and went 0-2, dropping his triple slash line to .130/.190/.185

He a makin' me look a good.

Regarding Utley moving to the outfield: I suspect that changing to a completely new position would result in a much more strenuous spring training.

If Utley is "healthy" (or as healthy as he is now) to start spring training, I would expect them to give him the treatment they gave Polanco this year: sit him out until mid-March and then play him sparingly. If he is learning a new position, even an easy one like left field, he'd probably take a ton of fly balls and need a ton of in-game playing time in the outfield during ST. I'm guessing it would be easiest on his legs to just keep him at second, where he can have a much more limited spring training workload.

Yesterday's extra inning win was the 5th on the season, improving their record in bonus baseball to 5-9. Was 2-7 at one point. 4-1 at home; 1-8 on the road.

"Among other things, he described Mini-Mart's defense "at SS and CF" as "incredible.""

This had me laughing at my desk as co-workers looked at me in bewilderment. Nobody else here would get the joke though.

I've always thought Mini-Mart's defense in CF was incredible...as in its incredible that they'd play someone with that bad of defense in CF.

There's definitely a reason that Sir Alden has taken a rightful place as the namesake founding member of the Sir Alden Trio. He's a Philly area treasure, to be sure.

Only mvptommyd can make an argument to being a more nefarious Beerleaguer poster.

Good additional point DH, position move = more miles logged during ST (bad idea.)

So if Rube can't get a quality 3B this winter but does snag a solid, power-hitting LF (insert FA of your choice here), do they give Frandsen a shot at the hot corner? If he's cheap and the only likely week link, might work out ok.

Frandsen should be their "plan B" for 2B next year, not their starting 3B. We can't forget about that role, and we can't depend on a post-injury, post-PED Galvis for anything until we see him back on the field. Frandsen's best position is 2B, and he's versatile enough to be an upgrade on Wigginton as the corner backup as well.

The guy they should sign needs to be a capable 3B starter who can play some SS if Rollins goes down or needs a rest. Maicer Izturis is an obvious fit, or Jeff Keppinger if they can't get Maicer.

I don't trust Frandsen to be a solid contributor next year to say the least, but 3B is so desperately weak in our system, and so weak in the world of FA, the Phillies might just simply need to get lucky and have a guy like Frandsen come out of nowhere and have a solid year for them next year at the hot corner. I just don't see any solutions aside from that. Trading is not a likely method either, because we really have very little part ways with.

Not suggesting we give the role to Frandsen, but I have no friggin clue to whom we should give the role right now.

"Not suggesting we give the role to Frandsen, but I have no friggin clue to whom we should give the role right now."

Just give it to Mini-Mart. Hell, he'll probably be on the go_damn roster anyway so what's the difference at this point. Plus that way we can abuse him even more.

@nepp i wasn't implying that he should move to third or LF. iif i came across that way i apologize. i think he should stay at 2cd base.

I view Frandsen in sort of the same light as I've viewed Kratz. It's not like his success is totally out of the blue. He has generally hit well in the minors, including each of the past 2 years at LV. Of course, one key difference between Frandsen & Kratz is that Frandsen has received fair opportunities at the major league level &, at least in the past, those opportunities haven't gone well.

Still, considering his success at LV in each of the last 2 years, and considering the scant options at 3rd base, I'm willing to keep an open mind about Frandsen as the 2013 3rd baseman. If nothing else, his defense has really surprised me & has been a welcome improvement from the likes of Fontenot & Wigginton. If he can keep that up, and can continue hitting at even a semi-reasonable clip, I would be on board with at least giving him a shot to win the starting 3rd base job next year. That would allow the Phillies to husband their off-season resources toward finding a couple of outfielders who can hit.

*** i wasn't implying that he should move to third or LF. iif i came across that way i apologize. i think he should stay at 2cd base.
***

LOL...no worries. We are in complete agreement that he should stay at 2B.


On Frandsen, I think he has a chance to slide into Wigginton's bench spot this winter...assuming he keeps hitting at a decent clip. He's a career .786 hitter in AAA (in 1900+ PA) and he's currently posting an average heavy .780 OPS in the Majors.

I'd guess, without looking it up, that his BABIP is pretty high and that he's due for a correction. Someone with Fangraphs up can tell me if that is an accurate guess or not).

The only way Frandsen as the '13 everyday 3B makes any sense is if there are exactly zero better free agent third basemen and we have no prospects we could trade for a better third baseman.

As luck would have it, that is exactly the scenario.

As long as Mini is on the roster this team has problems.
3B I could live with Frandsen if he performs close to what he has done the last 2 weeks.
Utley Seems a good time for the AL. Winter should bring a good return. Rather he stays but...
OF Plenty will be available. Brown,like his plate discipline,still scares me in the field.
CL: Gotta ask: What will be better CL or what his salary can bring in return. Sure some of you pros know the answer to that.

@fatalotti i replied to nepp and now to you that i never said utley should move to either position mentioned. i think he's fine at 2cd and his relays are good most of the time fata. that's all! as far as my comment regarding the galvis bowa comparison maybe i didn't frame it right. i was implying that galvis is a hard worker with the same mental make up as bowa and that he will eventually become a decent or maybe a good hitter. i never implied he should move to third and become a # 3 hitter in the lineup.

as far as my post being hard to read. if it was i apologize for that. i hope i cleared up what i was trying to get across. AND grammer wasn't one of my strengths so bear with us lesser ones please! and on the lighter side you said my syntax wasn't good! well mr fatalotti at my age i pay enough taxes! i want nothing to do with syntax. lol have a good one, and go phils.

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