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Wednesday, August 01, 2012

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Frandsen has started twice at second? You're right. This team is unrecognizable.

This is something I've been wondering about since someone posted yesterday that Dodger fans have some misgivings about Victorino. I know someone, too, who when I said be good to him, called him "Cryin' Hawaiian". (I can tell you I didn't appreciate that humor yesterday when I was sad about saying goodbye to him.)

But shouldn't they be more concerned about Hanley Ramirez than Vic, in terms of attitude?

What are you talking about?

@BAP about 3B:

No, there isn't anyone good available. There really, really, isn't. Just check this list
(http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable.jsp?c_id=mlb&tcid=mm_mlb_stats#elem=[object+Object]&tab_level=child&click_text=Sortable+Player+hitting&sectionType=sp&statType=hitting&page=1&ts=1343851974897&position=%275%27&sortColumn=ops&sortOrder=%27desc%27&extended=0)

Hanley Ramirez is a league average hitter at 3B with an OPS of .750. Slightly above him is Wilson Betemit. All the guys on that list are old, tied down to a long contract, and expensive (A Rod, Beltre, Cabrera, Zimmermann), or young and under team control, meaning there's no way Amaro can make a good deal for them if they're on a decent team (Freese, Johnson, Alvarez, Moustakas). The best option is Wright, assuming the Mets lose their heads and let him walk after next year. Or Betemit after 2013.

That's it!

Godfather: I'm not expecting to get anyone off that list. My point is, there are 3d basemen out there who aren't on anyone's "list" who could play a viable 3rd base for a year or two. I don't know who they are, but I suspect they're there. They might be stuck on some team's bench because they're blocked by a better guy. Or they might be playing in foreign countries or in AAA or in the Indy Leagues. Greg Dobbs & Chris Coste & Shane Victorino weren't on anyone's list either when we added them to the roster. I would love to see the Phillies find someone like that. He might well flop completely. But, if the alternative is Polcanco for $4.5M, would we really be that much worse off if we plucked some guy out of obscurity and he flopped?

@ Willard,

Clearly, picking up Polly's option is the better of the two. $5.5 million on a guy who can at least play the position very well and hits better than almost all of the free agent options available (even with an OPS of .620, yes, the alternatives are that bad) versus unloading good prospects in your system for a slightly above average hitter is a no brainer.

And no, this situation is not Amaro's fault in any way. It's not like a premier 3B has been available in the mean time. Beltre cost an arm and a leg in 2010 and his contract will be up when he's 37. That's it. That's the only FA guy who's been available at the hot corner and has been any good as a hitter. Unless you'd Amaro had resigned Feliz, or picked up Juan Uribe, then try to sign Joe Crede, Melvin Mora, Jorge Cantu, Geoff Blum, Orlando Hudson, or Miguel Tejada in 2010 (because that's the only guys who were available then).

@BAP from previous thread:

Ummm, they kinda did that already. Little fella by the name of Mini-mart. You know, a guy they used for Rule 5, just like they did for Victorino?

Most of these "experiments" fail. And that's what you're asking them to do. Victorino worked out great. Dobbs was awful in the field but an OK bat off the bench (by the way, his OPS has been about .700 the past two years).

Chris Johnson has 10 homers and 49 RBI this year. Considering how shitty the class is, and the limited amount of players available are y didn't rube take a stab at him? I don't know what other stats are but that kind of power from right side would have been nice to fill a hole for a few years. Why can't we fleece a team with one of out 17 toolsy outfielders in minors?

The Hook: Johnson is terrible on defense. Why would you want two Ty Wiggintons?

Rube was just on the radio hinting that Galvis might get a look at 3B, with the bat help coming in the form of outfielders. Make of that what you will...

Weitzel- I respect your opinion, but Michael Martinez does NOT belong on the Phillies roster. If they play him, they are playing to lose.

Fontenot did nothing special, but he was okay. Mini-Mart isn't even ok, he's horrible. His only attribute is his versatility, but a Swiss Army knife is versatile too...don't see it as the Phils UTL.

Martinez is 29 years old and sucks. Always has and always will. He's no prospect, he's a complete f'n waste.

I could be wrong, but, unless injuries force a change, I don't think you'll be seeing Galvis until they think he's ready to hit major league pitching. He is not yet a major league hitter.

Shane 0-2 so far, leading off and playing LF

Godfather: well he could have drafted castellanos. He was far and away the best player on the board but the org didn't want to pay him.

@ The Hook

Hmmm, here's a bunch of reasons off the top of my head:
1) Johnson's 27 and still not an established major leaguer yet. He hasn't spent a full season up here at all
2) Johnson's numbers are wildly inconsistent, his OPS was actually worse than Polly's last year
3) According to baseball-reference.com Johnson is a defensive butcher at 3B, well below Polly
4)Because Amaro would have to empty his farm system further when he needed to make trades to improve it. Getting Johnson is the exact opposite of what he needed to do as a seller.

Galvis sucks too! He was shitty on PEDs, so imagine how bad he'll be off them.

Also, I'd like Jeff Keppinger for 2 YR/$6M to play 3rd next year and keep the hot corner warm until Cody Asche is ready.

Sign a player like Scutaro, Maicer Izturis, or Ryan Theroit to be the UTL.

Godfather: I have no problem with the concept of drafting a 3rd baseman in the Rule 5 draft. My problem was with the execution. There was absolutely nothing in Mini-Mart's profile to suggest that he could be a viable major league player.

Should have designated Wigginton. Just getting rid of his salary would have been a bonus.

"I could be wrong, but, unless injuries force a change, I don't think Galvis will return until they think he's ready to hit major league pitching. He is not yet a major league hitter."

I agree on Galvis as a hitter, clout, why do you think then that the asking price on Rollins was allegedly so low at the deadline? Combine that with Amaro's glowing comments about him, and I think he disagrees with you, me and the rest of BL.

@Jbird

I'm sorry, you wanted them to sign a 3B prospect for 3.5 million in signing bonuses? You mean the strategy that cashed strapped small market teams used to control costs for talented players?

The Phillies have never engaged in that for a reason. It's a fool's game. The Pirates engaged in that strategy for years prior to 2011, and look where it (never) got them. It's a waste of money.

Besides, I'll wait to see how Castellanos does in the show. I don't care how talented a guy is, it means nothing if he falls apart at the major league level. Which is the oldest story in the book for this sport.

Amaro is a dumbass.

"Clearly, picking up Polly's option is the better of the two. $5.5 million on a guy who can at least play the position very well and hits better than almost all of the free agent options available (even with an OPS of .620, yes, the alternatives are that bad) versus unloading good prospects in your system for a slightly above average hitter is a no brainer."

Or they could get a guy out of the barren FA class that would be, at worst, no worse than Polanco, could actually stay on the field, and wouldn't cost $5.5 million.

I think GM Carson is a buffoon, but Keppinger isn't a bad idea when looking at the alternatives (if he's a FA- not sure if the Rays have him for just this year or 2 years). We need to stop the Theriot crap though.

Carson: What does it matter? Fontenot doesn't play. Martinez won't play. Maybe Fontenot gets them some minor league roster filler ...

@ BAP

Really? His stats in AAA suggested he'd be a good utility fielder off the bench, which is what the Phillies used him for:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=martin010mic

Iceman- I'm a a buffoon. Thanks, been called worse.

Theriot as a UTL is better than Martinez as a UTL. Just saying...

@ Dave

Then the Phillies have to eat all of Wigginton's salary and get nothing in return when they have to release him. Some plan.

Tell me, any other brilliant moves you've got in mind?

BAP: From a phuturephillies commenter summary of a BA article on Tocci today:

Tocci Article by BA: http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/prospects/prospect-bulletin/2012/2613819.html
Summary: Overall he is one of the most impressive players in the GCL, considering he is the 4th youngest player in professional baseball (including VSL and DSL). Scouts rave about his hit tool and ability to use the whole field. Plus-Plus speed which is combined with good base running instincts. The defense was compared to Galvis at that age and he apparently could be an above average defender at the major league level right now but is continuing to hone his craft out in CF during batting practice tracking fly balls and working on getting a good jump on them. The only negative is the lack of power but any judgement on that should be withheld until he fills out.

Weitzel- if Fontenot gets the Phils anything, then it's a good move.

However, I think Manuel will play Martinez, because he and Amaro are enamored with the guy for some strange reason.

Godfather: At this point Martinez has more time in MLB than he does at AAA, & his MLB stats suggest he's f*cking awful.

He He. He said hit tool. He he.

Rube was just on the radio hinting that Galvis might get a look at 3B, with the bat help coming in the form of outfielders. Make of that what you will...

It may not be Galvis, but I think this is the plan. Slight upgrade at 3B -- or even Polanco again -- and a big upgrade ($$$) in the OF.

Someone suggesting Martinez is fit for the Phillies UTL duties is silly. First, remember the Phillies middle infielders are old and fragile, so the UTL will get at bats. Martinez sucks at the plate...really f'n sucks. Can't have him batting in a lineup that just isn't that good anymore. Gotta improve that bench spot for sure.

"It may not be Galvis, but I think this is the plan. Slight upgrade at 3B -- or even Polanco again -- and a big upgrade ($$$) in the OF."

Provided it's NOT Galvis, this is probably the best course of action, with money hopefully being sunk into the bullpen also.

BB: Thanks. That's a pretty glowing write-up.

Carson: I share your concerns. As soon as Frandsen makes his first error -- which shouldn't take long -- Mini-Mart will be right back in the starting lineup every day. In the meantime, Cholly will view him as a RH pinch hitting option -- completely oblivious to Mini-Mart's .160/.169/.173 career slash line as a RH hitter.

Idk about galvis at 3B either. Even Polanco should outhit Galvis enough next year to counter the slight defensive upgrade to him over Polanco.

Agree with Sophist. OF is where the big bang comes. I think it'll be Bourne.

Godfather: Sorry. My mistake RE: his salary. Although I do believe someone would pick him up in trade. If it happened w/ Qualls it can happen w/ anyone.

@ Iceman

Well, take a look at this list:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/04/2013-mlb-free-agents.html

Blum's hasn't played at all for ARI, should retire. As should DeRosa and Cairo. And Rolen. And Tejada. All of whom are older than Polly. And as bad if not worse at the plate. Oh, and as big an injury liability.

Or you can take your defensive butchers, like Reynolds, Youkilis (assuming his option isn't picked up, and he's a worse injury liability than Polly), Wigginton, whom you'll owe 4 million, or Inge, who can't play the field anymore.

Oh you could try Chavez, of course. If you want a bigger hospital bill than Polly runs up every year. The guy stopped being healthy when he hit 30.

And then you've got the 3B who have been worse hitters their entire careers, are worse defenders, and who's only saving grace would be youth, better health, and cheapness, Izturis, Teahen, and Lopez.

Tell me again why any of these guys is a good plan?

I know I am in a vast minority but while Galvis isn't currently a major league hitter, I thought he looked as if he could become one. Of course, he'll have to do it without the Flintstones vitamins, don't know about that. I guess my expectations were so low for his offense that I was pleasantly surprised.

They cut Fontentot...Wow!! Im starting to wonder about Rube,,,

I would prefer money be put into a 5th starter than into the bullpen. An OF like Bourn and a starter like Edwin Jackson would be a great offseason.

Remind me again why I want the guy who gave deals to Danyz Baez and Chad Qualls hitting the FA market for middle relievers with cash to burn?

Rube is freaking idiot..

Godfather: actually the Pirates did the opposite. Spending big in the draft is a very recent phenomenon for them. In fact they very famously have passed on some highly rated and relativly expensive prospects (BJ Upton for 1) in order to draft a cheaper player with disastrous results for the franchise. Go ask san diego if the wish they had spent the money to draft Verlander instead of going bargain basement on Matt Bush. Going cheap in the draft is one the things hampering the Phillies at the moment as even the Red Sox and Yankees have prioritized amateur player acquisition. To say spending big in the draft is.the provance of only the down and out clubs would be a.terribly ignorant statement. I hope I simply.misunderstood your.point.

@ Dave about Martinez

Yeah, and they make the Rule 5 pick based on his AAA stats. And part of the rules for Rule 5 is that you've got to keep him at the MLB level for a whole year, no ifs ands or buts. So they gave him his shot, it didn't work out, and the only reason he's back at all is that Polly's hurt.

Your alternatives are Pete Orr or you keep Fontenot up here. In other words, play a veteran you know isn't gonna give you better than a .620-.650 OPS and isn't a good fielder, or see what a guy lacking MLB experience can do with another chance.

Any smart organization is gonna pick option B every time when playoffs are no longer an issue. This is Martinez's last shot, they know it and he knows it.

Godfather: The words "smart organization" and "Michael Martinez" don't belong in the same paragraph, unless in conjunction with the words "release," "designate for assignment," or "avoid like the plague."

donc: Although the PEDs throw a wrinkle into it, I also think Galvis may eventually learn to hit well enough to justify a starting spot. Given his truly amazing defense, he doesn't have to turn into Cal Ripken, Jr. to be worthy of a starting spot.

The starting point would be to learn to draw a walk. He should spend 2013 at AAA working almost entirely on that. A .254 OBP isn't merely unacceptable; it's like 3 full standard deviations below acceptable.

I hear Brandon Wood has really awesome AAA stats to, even better than mini marts. Wish we could figure out a way to get that guy to Philly. /s

The idea of Galvis starting at third base next season is one of the very few things in the world that would make me actually consider picking up Polanco's option to be a half-decent move.

The rule 5 draft doesn't say the player has to stay on the roster. He can be offered back like dozens are every year, like Victorino was. Were I Washington I wouldn't have paid the $25k to get him back.

Carson: "keep the hot corner warm until Cody Asche is ready."

How much firewood you got?

BAP:That's absolutely key for Galvis. Has to learn how to work the count and coax the occasional walk. When you are limited offensively like he is and presumably will be, you need to play a thinking man's game. 30 or so walks per 1000 at bats aint going to cut it. But he had a little more pop than I expected, though that could be artificially enduced. Absolutely love the kid's glove.

Jack- I said in the last thread I'd also be open to getting a 5th starter to keep KK in the pen.

But just so we're clear, you don't want the bullpen to be addressed because you don't trust Amaro due to those two signings? That's it? And therefore it should just be ignored?

I highly doubt if he got a guy like Mike Adams he would be awful simply because Amaro's got the Midol touch. Besides, Qualls was a value signing. You can't put him in the same category as Baez. And the bullpen was never this God awful- I don't expect that he'd settle for a Qualls type as a fix this time around.

Would this bullpen be this bad had Contreras, Herndon and Stutes all not gotten hurt? I mean, Contreras was kind of predictable... and it's not like Herndon and Stutes are awesome, but they're much better than a lot of the slop we've rolled out there. Not to mention every time a starter went down, our most reliable bullpen arm (The Awesome Kyle Kendrick) moved to starter.

Not the recipe for bullpen success!

Didn't Amaro bring in Park? Contreras*?


*contract sucked, of course.

Iceman: I just don't see it as a prudent use of resources, generally. If you want to bring in a few flyers, sure. I know people are justifiably skeptical of our internal guys after this season, but I think Diekman has shown some potential, and I think De Fratus was supposed to be ahead of guys like Rosenberg and Schwimmer before he got hurt, so he could still get a shot.

I like Mike Adams, but he's shown some decline this season. On a 1-year deal? Sure. The idea of a big contract for a middle reliever though is almost never a good idea.

I just feel like this happens every single year, whether they spent money on it last year or not. "The bullpen sucks and needs to be fixed." Ok, so you sign Qualls, Baez, whoever. Next offseason: "Those guys didn't work out and the bullpen sucks and needs to be fixed..." No matter what you do, everyone always clamors to spend money on the bullpen. Funny, though, how not once has anyone said "you know what worked out great--when we spent all that money on the bullpen." Can you remember a single good FA middle reliever signing? Maybe Contreras?

Not that it matters, now that Vic is gone, but MLBTR now says that teams will have to offer their pending FAs $13.3M to $13.4M for one year in order to get a compensatory draft pick if the player leaves.

Oh, yeah, and I forgot to mention Stutes, who isn't a world-beater, but is serviceable.

To me, a bullpen of Papelbon, Bastardo, Lindblom, Stutes, Kendrick (if you sign a 5th starter)/Herndon (if Kendrick is the 5th starter), Diekman, and DeFratus could be good. Or it could be bad. It could be anything, because relief pitching is totally volatile. But if you signed the top 3 middle relievers on the FA market, I would say the exact same thing--it could be good, or it could be bad. I don't think spending that money guarantees you anything.

@BB

1) Contreras' contract for 2010 was for 1.5 million. And he was great. The 2011-2012 contract is justifiable based on his 2010 performance. No one can plausibly claim that Amaro should have seen Contreras' breaking coming. Hindsight be damned.
2) Park had a pretty good 2008 as a middle reliever for the Dodgers, which is what Amaro signed him for. He wasn't awful in 2009 either with a 4.43 ERA, he just wasn't the 3.40 ERA pitcher he was out in LA. That's not a bad signing. It just wasn't a great one.

Jack: I'm with you. We've got a handful of internal options with the chance of some young arms stepping up out of minors next year. I hate spending big money on a FA middle reliever. More prudent to find 5th starter and keep the totally awesome Kyle Kendrick in a swing role.

Godfather: I actually agree for the most part on Contreras. He was a really good signing for Amaro, now that I think about it more.

That said, this "No one can plausibly claim that Amaro should have seen Contreras' breaking coming" strikes me as a little much. You think that NO ONE could foresee a man in his late 30s to mid-40s (God knows his actual age) breaking down? Really?

Mini Mart called up, there really is no sense happening in that organization.

Worse player in baseball. Guy belongs on a AA roster or out the league considering his age. He brings N O T H I N G

bap: That's correct. It's harder now to get compensatory picks for free agents. Actually makes it more likely for impending free agents to get dealt.

I expect we'll see DeFratus at some point soon.

Godfather: really? There were plenty of us here on beerleaguer saying that a 2 year deal for an octogenarian like Contreras was a bad idea and getting called racist for it. That was fore not hindsight and a little common sense.

What's with all these weird, easily refutable assertions and factual errors you keep making?

Can anyone tell me why Worley is still pitching through an injury?

Mini-Mart is back - all will be well.

I predict that you will see, at least once over the next few weeks, Michael Martinez pinch hit for Schierholtz, Nix, or Brown with a LH pitcher on the mound. I further predict that in response, Beerleaguer will explode off the face of the internet, never to be seen again.

Jack- I said in the last thread I'd also be open to getting a 5th starter to keep KK in the pen.

But just so we're clear, you don't want the bullpen to be addressed because you don't trust Amaro due to those two signings? That's it? And therefore it should just be ignored?

I highly doubt if he got a guy like Mike Adams he would be awful simply because Amaro's got the Midol touch. Besides, Qualls was a value signing. You can't put him in the same category as Baez. And the bullpen was never this God awful- I don't expect that he'd settle for a Qualls type as a fix this time around.

Posted by: Iceman | Wednesday, August 01, 2012 at 05:25 PM
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Value signing? A value signing would be if Qualls was to be the long man for 4th option. He was signed to be the freaking set up man.


I can not wait until Rube Charlie and Dubee are GONE. All 3 are in over their head.

Can anyone tell me why Worley is still pitching through an injury?

Posted by: Cyclic | Wednesday, August 01, 2012 at 05:48 PM
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Because our pitching coach and head coach are complete idiots. Just have to look at the entire Doc situation. Hell how they handled injuries over the past 2 seasons has been suspect.

@ Jack and Jbird

Factual errors? Octogenarian means he's 80 years old. Qaudragenarian is the term you're looking for.

Contreras' elbow injuries are things he hasn't had in his entire career. His arm's been fine. If he's been hurt, it's a shoulder (subscapularis) strain from 2003 that cost him 2 months, a case of sciatica in 2007 (for a 15 day DL stint), and an Achilles tear in 2008. That's his injury history. Period. It would be one thing if he'd had arm trouble at several points in his career. But he hadn't. He'd been healthy by and large, even if there were times when he pitched poorly.

Besides, there are a plethora of relievers in their late 30's and 40's who stay healthy working out of the bullpen.

This is Martinez's last shot, they know it and he knows it.

Godfather: You cannot even begin to imagine how fervently I hope this to be the case. If Martinez is so much as invited to ST next season I fear it will send me entirely around the bend. I truly cannot remember liking a Phillies player less, & considering Martinez has zero personality of which to speak, that's saying quite a lot.

Godfather: Signing ANY 40-year old pitcher to anything more than a 1-year deal is a bad idea. Period. End of story.

"Value signing? A value signing would be if Qualls was to be the long man for 4th option. He was signed to be the freaking set up man."

"Anonymous"- he was signed at the end of the off-season for basically nothing. He was not signed to be the setup man. It deteriorated into that when Bastardo sucked and Contreras flamed out (again).

I used "octogenarian" on purpose. Go back in the archives if you want there's probably 300 comments on the issue the day the contract was announced.

Jack- I guess you have much more faith in the internal options than I do. We agree that the majority of the bullpen should be comprised of the guys you listed. With Lindblom in the fold, I think they need one more arm. I'm not talking about a full-scale rebuild.

DeFratus should definitely get an extended look in September (or even earlier).

Do you even know what a plethora is?

That's why I asked the question and got my answers. I can't take too much of wiggy on d so Chris would have made me more mad. Thanks guys. Well do we move Jimmy over and try for a short stop or go galvis route? There are a lot of questions to third. Outfield and bullpen we will be able to sort out. Third still about As mud. Can't do Polly again. If I want d I'll just get Brandon Inge and park him there.

I like how everyone is just as furious (if not more so) that Mini is on the roster as they were when the team was a 100-win team. The hatred for the guy knows no bounds.

I'm more concerned about what the DFA of Fontenot means for Mini's inclusion on the roster next year.

What, no love for making the highlight reel catch that prevented a Braves victory and sent St. Louis to the playoffs?

I'm not sure what's meant by "Martinez's last shot." He's not going to see much time. This isn't an evaluation period. He's a utility guy that fills a hole until it's filled by someone better.

Its a farking disgrace that he is on the roster. YOu can not be taken seriously as a GM or head coach when you have a player, and I use that term loosely, like martinez on your major league team.

Getting playing time at that

Then again they did have Ross Gload on the team when he couldn't hit, couldn't field and couldn't run.

@ BAP?

Oh? Does that include Mariano Rivera? Jamie Moyer? Greg Maddux?

You really want me to list all the over 40 pitchers who signed multi year deals and more than justified them?

This place doesn't border on irrational when it comes to Martinez... it's a full blown invasion into irrational's territory.

I'm quite sure that Michael Martinez will remain on the 25 man roster for the full length of the Werth contract so Monty wins his bet. 5 more years. Just happenstance that Mini gets the call-up right before Jayson returns to the team? Coincidence? I believe some unholy wager.

The kicker with Mini Mart though is that the only position where he really is a good defensive option though is 2B.

He's mediocre at 3B, below average at SS, and terrible in the OF.

That's the thing with him. Not only that he is a really bad hitter. Defensively he just isn't that good.

Iceman it is silly to argue with me when I am right I have no problem admitting when I am wrong. For example,I was certain Hamels wouldnt sign. He surprised me and in fact RAJ surprised me. There is no point in holding on to Hamels and paying big bucks if its going to take the better part of his best years to rebuild the team.

But I was retrospectively absolutely right when I wrote in the past and before the season started that we should unload much of this team now while we can because they are not going anywhere. Instead I was villified and in the end we are now all agreeing(for the same reasons.) But instead of an orderly sale and rebuild by RAJ, he held a fire sale. Anyone think we coul dnto have gotten more for Pence and Victorino lasty fall? I know a few still are holding out for a better Utley but the reality is the better Utley belongs in the Al as a DH (and part time field work).

BAP, Its not so much bunting (I don't believe anyone other than a pitcher and Martinez should be bunting) its being flexible with a lineup and playing moneyball percentages. Its true it can backfire (and that is the baseball crapshoot a line drive out) but not even playing the odds and sticking with things that clearly not working--and they didn't--is silly. It is CMs trademark as Martinez is a RAJ trademark--he is always right even when he is wrong.

Godfather- where do you get Polanco being better offensively than Izturis? Izturis has a better OPS+ three out if the last 4 seasons. Plus there's the added bonus that he's 32 and not falling apart before our very eyes. And coming off a down year, he'd cost less than Polanco.

Dude, Polanco's OPS+ this year is 69. He's not even worth a fraction of what he'll be owed.

I like how everyone is just as furious (if not more so) that Mini is on the roster as they were when the team was a 100-win team.

There are both new & new to the Phillies players ready & waiting for their shot at abject failure. I'm sick -- literally, physically ill -- over having already watched Martinez fail, repeatedly. I want him gone.

I think Martinez's uncle is Amaro's godfather. Or something. Has to be something. I don't care if he's on the team for August. I just glad he didn't use his voodoo doll to get back here/ hope he doesn't use it to get more playing time.

Tocci is 5-6 years away but he has a shot at being something special...like superstar special.

Odds are he'll never make it but its a name to tuck into the back of your head.

OOOPs I forgot Martinez doesn't even bunt well. But then Martinez should nto be in thelineup period.

@GTown

Want to get even more sick? People are defending him being on the team.

The_GodfatherSJP: Noting those older pitchers who did well late in their career doesn't change the fact that pitchers in their late 30s/early 40s are more likely to get injured. Just ask Jamie Moyer and Mariano River, for example.

It's fair to say that there was substantial risk in that 2-year Contreras contract.

RK: Is english your second language?

"@HighCheese: Talked to someone on Tue. who said he wouldn't be surprised if Boras/Bourn look for $100 mil. RAJ might have to get over top-o-market fetish"

Yeah, I'm all in for Bourn, but if someone else wants him for $100 million, they can have him.

Same as I felt with Werth. Wanted him back, but when I saw what he signed for, I just shook my head and moved on.

SSS, but going by wRC+, of the 32 MLB players with 40+ PA who have been worse hitters than Martinez, 27 are pitchers. Meanwhile, 14 pitchers with 40+ PA have hit better than Martinez.

In other words, Michael Martinez '12 has had a bat that would be about 65th percentile for a pitcher.

Corn: It's amazing what people will defend over the course of their relentless pursuit of absolute intractability.

Of course, saying that, I fully expect Amaro to pay whatever he needs to to get what he wants, Papelbon being the prime example of that.

If he wants Bourn badly enough, he'll start the negotiations by handing him a blank check.

Corn- who is defending Mini being on the roster?

JW - I just saw your Q about my earlier post. Never mind. It wasn't important.

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