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Wednesday, August 29, 2012

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Cloyd vs Matt Harvey - about as opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of pitching styles as you can get.

Key with Cloyd tonight is to stay within himself, don't overthrow. He wins with great command and smarts. He can locate his slider and changeup, which keeps hitters off-balance on his 87-90 mph fastball. He is also smart, not repeating a pattern to a batter, pitching backwards etc.

Just relax, be yourself Tyler.

It also helps that he'll be facing a Triple A lineup.

David Wright is a AAA player?

David Wright is a AAA player?

Posted by: NEPP | Wednesday, August 29, 2012 at 12:08 PM

In this AAA lineup, Wright is a poor man's Darin Ruf.

Clearly you missed the hitting display that the first ballot HOFer Kelly Shoppach put on, clout.

NEPP: Think of it as Wright playing in a rehab game.

Forget the Mets' AAA lineup. What they do hardly matters when the Phillies can't even plate a single run in 5.2 innings vs. one of the worst bullpens in the league.

Gtown Dave: Yeah. Can we start a new stat called "Losses Attributable to a Depressing Inability to Score Against an Opposing Team's Bullpen?"

Good thing I don't have my sound turned on here, because if that video started over every time I refreshed the page, I'd be a bit annoyed.

Cloyd over Pettibone.. Interesting. Maybe Pettibone didn't have enough rest.. At least it'll break the monotony of the debates about Dom-mini-mart and Vance Howardley. This team frustrates and bores me all at the same time. I hope Asche and Ruf come up too.. Give the fans something moderately interesting to watch.

Jack: LADISAOTB. Done.

"Good thing I don't have my sound turned on here, because if that video started over every time I refreshed the page, I'd be a bit annoyed."

I turned my sound off for precisely that reason.

I can see not being on twitter, but then to ask "Where is everyone getting this info, it's not on the website!" reaction to breaking news is a little odd at this point.

Doesn't someone have to come off the roster for Cloyd to come on? Who is that?

Somehow it seems early in the day for our $144 million pitcher to be scratched for a stomach problem. Must be something they know won't turn around in the next six hours.

Oogie: Tonight was Cloyd's night to pitch anyway so that may have had something to do with it.

What a bitter sweet situation tonight though. I'm going to the game and was looking forward to see Cole pitch so that sucks. However, I've been wanting to see how Cloyd would do so that's nice. Mixed feelings : D

EFF, I was well aware that it was coming from a beat writer. I was just wondering who it was.

Also, I appreciate that you added the exclamation point to make it seem like I was perplexed/confused as to how someone could acquire information that didn't come directly from the team's site. I guess we know where you think my intelligence level stands.

"Somehow it seems early in the day for our $144 million pitcher to be scratched for a stomach problem."

This stomach problem is a nasty piece of business. Apparently it is contracted by watching the Phillies hit.

***Somehow it seems early in the day for our $144 million pitcher to be scratched for a stomach problem. Must be something they know won't turn around in the next six hours.***

He probably sh!t himself in the clubhouse gym while working out. Once one does that, they should get the rest of the day off regardless.

Maybe Immodium is on the PED list?

I'm trying to listen to AOL radio and apparently Cloyd is now a DJ.

Ya gotta love the Phillies, though. Are there bone chips in the elbow of your throwing arm? Pitch through the pain, dammit! Do you have the runs? ZOMG! CALL LEHIGH! WE NEED ANOTHER STARTER!

Wasn't trying to single anyone out about not following twitter, that reaction is pretty common on the internet, sorry for the inferred punctuation insult.

After watching Rosenberg pitch, I understand why Schwimer questioned why HE was being sent down.

GTown.. Pampered vs. Pauper

Ya gotta love the Phillies, though. Are there bone chips in the elbow of your throwing arm? Pitch through the pain, dammit! Do you have the runs? ZOMG! CALL LEHIGH! WE NEED ANOTHER STARTER!

Posted by: GTown_Dave | Wednesday, August 29, 2012 at 12:45 PM

You think they're doing this for Cole??

Have you ever played middle infield behind a guy with a gastrointestinal issue?

Yeah, didn't think so.

Fatalotti: Mostly I'm making light of things. However, I don't recall Cloyd -- or anyone else -- being called up a couple of weeks ago when Worley was pitching w/ both bone chips in his throwing elbow AND "gastrointestinal distress".

GTown, you missed the grade school joke.

Sigh.

Sadly, Cole Hamels will likely be the only Phillie who produces any runs today.

Maybe since Cloyd is schedule to start today, they are going to pitch him, push Hamels until tomorrow, and then keep Cloyd on regular rest to replace Worley in his next start/rest of the year.

And we're done here.

Fata, if the wind is blowing in, aw, never mind.

JW, I kindly request no auto play for those of us sneaking looks during work. :)

This is another example of the new look Hamels. Its a savvy veteran move. RAJ has refused to shutdown Worley for Cloyd. So Cole sacrifices a start (and counting stats towards his Cy Young candidacy) knowing his day matched Cloyd's forcing Amaro's hand.

Genius.

I shouldn't be laughing this hard at the poop jokes. But alas, I cannot stop myself.

***But alas, I cannot stop myself.***

FWIW, neither can Cole.

Sil: It's precisely this type of thoughtful, intelligent commentary that separates Beerleaguer from the other blogs.

Hamm - do you really think Cole has a chance at the Cy Young award this year?

Talk about karma: Cole probably told Worley "Vance you're pitching like crap! What goes around...

We need Lake Fred to supply the Cole- Heidi dialogue for BL today.

The last person I would expect Cloyd to be spot starting for.

Fatalotti: Sorry. I'm attempting to multitask, & I'm failing like a r00b FA bullpen signing.

Also, b_a_p wins the thread. That was brilliant.

Cole is obviously not the favorite, but he's probably floating around top 6 if the the voting went on today...well maybe lower if Kimbrel/Chapman get votes too.

Still, not impossible for him to finish strong and be in the conversation. I'm assuming he starts tomorrow, so it shouldn't really affect anything.

GTown, it's why BAP is one of my favorite posters. Just three posts on this thread, and two of them made me laugh fairly heartily.

Times like these make you wonder about the baser needs of living creatures and how they relate to athletic performances. There is a certain "offensive" lineman (pun intended) that admitted to, shall we say, "letting go" during play in an effort to unnerve the opposing d-lineman. Different sport, I know - but given the current topic of conversation, the mind-in-the-gutter types (myself included) are left pondering.

@Kutz -- will he win? No. Top 5 potential? sure. He could have 6 or 7 starts (could have had 8 if they skip starts for off days) depending on things shake out... he could accumulate enough wins and strikeouts to push him in the lead in those categories. Not really likely... but I wouldn't be surprised to see him finish in the top 5 in voting again.

This has fully developed into a poop thread, BTW. Good work, all.

It's precisely this type of thoughtful, intelligent commentary that separates Beerleaguer from the other blogs.

Very true. Beerleaguer would never stoop to the level of juvenile humor so often found in lesser blogs.

Still my favorite Weitzel entry, by the way. I think I laughed for days.

Hmmm...Personal foul, 15 yards for unnecessary discharge. Said the ref.

You know Sil, this was a nice innuendo led poop thread, before you had to go and muddy up the waters.

turns out hamels isn't sick. he just didn't realize that it's normal to sh*t green when you're that rich.

innuendo-- I thought that was a suppository that helped relieve these conditions..

Drum roll, cymbals .. Thank you, thank you.

Okay Hamm. I agree with your assessment of Cole's chances for the Cy Young. But I don't think his outside shot at the award is worth having him pitch if he is ill because he might literally and figuratively crap himself.

Another crappy day on Beerleaguer. When will JW start flushing out these off-topic comments?

YEAHHHHH BOYEEEEEE!

I ruin everything.

Let's just be glad Chien-Ming Wang doesn't play for the Phillies or an affiliate.

If TC gets thru the 1st inning and his results do NOT resmble Brody Colvin the other night in Double A , that would be a good sign..

Seriously, he needs to remember what has made him successful up to this point, and go with that plan.. I think having Kratz there as his receiver, should help as he was his AAA battery mate in a good portion of this season.

Hamels' changeup gets a lot of attention and his cutter has certainly improved, but he can really keep hitters off-balance by dropping a deuce on them once in a while.

Hope Cloyd doesn't have a Ruf outing,,,

Time to see what Cloyd is all about. At least it gives me a reason to watch the game tonight.

On a non-bowel related note:

What if Cloyd pitches really well today and forces Amaro's hand a bit? Say 6 IP, 2 ER. That's something that Worley has only done 2 times in 8 GS since the ASB.

Worley's been awful this month (6 GS, 31 IP, 1-3, 5.23 ERA, 1.81 WHIP, 4.6 K/9, 3.2 BB/9) and hard to see how Cloyd couldn't improve on that a bit.

I hope he forces Amaro's hand to sit Worley.

Ideally, Cloyd throws a 81 pitch no-hitter tonight.

Hope floats: the Tyler Cloyd story.

What a way to make your major league debut. I'm picturing his agent dressing up like a busboy to spike Cole's dinner last night.

"I recently got food poisoning. I don't know when I'm going to use it"

-- Steven Wright

Maybe Cole should be nick-named "Big Brown" instead of me.

MG: This outing is a perfect opportunity for Amaro. Gives us all a chance to see Cloyd against ML hitters. If he's successful, he's got an easy out for Worley. If he gets lit up, Worley probably keeps pitching through the elbow issues.

Gelb reports:

The Phillies will send 3B Cody Asche, C Tommy Joseph and OF Zach Collier to Arizona Fall League. It's a showcase league used to judge players against top talent. Phillies must make decision whether to protect Collier from Rule 5 draft this winter.

Also, pitchers Tyler Knigge, Colby Shreve, Kyle Simon and Jay Johnson will go to AFL. Simon was acquired in Jim Thome trade.

RT @patgallen_975: Cloyd and Ruf are the Paul Owens Award winners for the best pitcher and player in the minors in 2012. Big year for both.

***The Phillies will send 3B Cody Asche, C Tommy Joseph and OF Zach Collier to Arizona Fall League***

LOVE IT.

Also, to maintain his current production level, Asche will have to post an OPS around 1.000 to keep it consistent. The AFL makes the High Desert look like Petco...very offensive-oriented league.

Todd Zolecki: RHP Vance Worley has been placed on the DL. He is scheduled to have right elbow surgery sometime in the next 7-10 days.

Worley to the DL. Surgery in 7-10 days.

Means Cloyd's appearance isn't a one day audition.

Asked about opting to bring up Cloyd to Start as opposed to a stomach flu bitten Cole Hamels or a Bullpen Medley, Charlie Manuel had this to offer: "Using cloyd greatly reduces the chance of someone sh***ing a brick on the mound tonight"

RT @patgallen_975: Cloyd and Ruf are the Paul Owens Award winners for the best pitcher and player in the minors in 2012. Big year for both.

Great, two non-prospects win the Paul Owens awards. This system is flooded with can't-miss prospects.

Anyone who gives up 4 runs to the Mets should be DL'd or DFA'd immediately. Watch your back, B.J.

Mm-- almost sounds like a cholly-ism

I heard Ruf is going to Venezuela winter ball to hone his LF skills..

Of course, if Cloyd bombs, it could still be a 1-time appearance. Cloyd isn't the only starter option in the minors.

Jonathan Pettibone (a better overall prospect) has been very good in his 6 starts for Lehigh Valley.

About damn time on Vance.

Well, there goes my vow not to watch another game this season. Thank you, Tyler.

Never really understood the point of the Arizona Fall League anymore given how much players pretty much train year round nowadays anyways especially for the added wear & tear that pitchers accrue.

Now that the 'Free Cloyd!' campaign has been successfully carried out to its conclusion, the next obvious conclusion is a 'Free Pettibone!' campaign.

Is pettibone really ready? are 6 starts enough?

I would hazard a guess that not having Cloyd starting tonight for LHV greatly reduces what litle chances remain for them to earn a AAA wildcard spot...

But as CLee says... That's baseball

Kinda funny to me that people on a baseball blog- many of whom had to have seen baseball at once in their life- still attribute the Mets tying run last night to Brown in a no doubles defense.

Brown was not in a no doubles defense. No doubles is deep and playing straight away to cut off angles. Brown was over in left center almost. My guess is that they were playing teh infield at no doubles and the outfield were playing Shoppach to right thinking he wouldn't pull Bastardo. On the highlight you can clearly see that Brown has to run quite a ways to his right to even get to the ball. Had he been straight away (roughly 30-40 feet to his right) he had a better chance of holding Wright at third.

Basically the coaches played Shoppach a certain way and he hit the ball in the one area where he could do damage.

Little not litle

"He probably sh!t himself in the clubhouse gym while working out."

Were they earned runs? Maybe he was watching Rosenberg pitch and took a sympathy dump?

Not happy Worley is hurt, but I'm happy the Phillies finally ended the charade of having him take the hill every 5 turns.

Let's hope he recovers from the surgery and returns to the level he reached prior to the All Star break:

mid 3's ERA, decent K/BB, etc.

Once again the Phillies crack medical staff has moved in and saved a player's life. Or just missed it by a month or so. Either way, he didn't die and that's a victory.

Worley played the good soldier, but pitching with bone chips in his elbow can be a painful thing. Because if it wasn't painful, he never would have noticed and they never would have tested him.

new thread!

Maybe Cloyd can hit.

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