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Wednesday, June 20, 2012

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Roy, I just met you, and this is crazy; but Kendrick's starting. So call me maybe?

More good news- CarGo returns to the lineup tonight for Colorado.

Not necessarily great news for the Phils, but anytime you get to see two guys at the peak of their professions like Blanton and Gonzalez face off, it's a treat for everyone.

@ Pete and Iceman...two great and very funny posts back to back. Back-to-back jacks.

I just checked out last night's boxscore and saw Mini Mart's stellar .172 batting average. Let's see, if Mini Mart doubled his average to .344, it would still be less than Chooch Ruiz' great .358 mark.

Home Jimmy and June Jimmy colliding into 1 should really keep the offense at a decent level for the next 10(now 9) games.

Mayberry is .278/.274./539 vs LHP .. I guess his 1 Sac Fly doesn't hurt his AVG, but it does his OBP.

Hard to believe a guy slugging .539 vs lefties can't coax them into a walk once every 73 PA.

Re-posting from the previous thread but can someone tell me the last time Jimmy had 2 walks in a game? I know I can find it on b-r.com but I'm lazy and busy.

JRoll has walked twice in a game 69 times, has walked thrice in a game 7 times, and has walked 4 times in a game twice.

It was May 18th. I guess I'm not that lazy and can click on one cell on b-r.com

Joe D: May 17th and 18th, Rollins BBed twice in both games.

JRoll has only walked in 500 of his 1702 games. I'm not sure if that's a good, bad, or indifferent number, but it feels low. Still, it's a stat devoid of context, so who knows.

Rollins has been on absolute tear recently, hitting the ball hard and taking a lot of walks.

And his season line is still .261/.312/.373. That's sort of shocking given that it's seemed to have been a solid 3 or 4-week run he's been on.

Jim Thome, on the other hand, has walked in 1281 of his 2508 games. Has taken a walk in more than half of his games. By the same token, he's struck out in 1701 of his games, a remarkable 68%.

This, though, is nothing compared to Howard, who's struck out in 748 of his 1027 games, a percentage of 73%.

But both of these men bow down to Mark Reynolds, who has struck out in 599 of his 765 games, a 78% clip.

good news? what is this i don't understand

Thome has basically been reduced to a 'Cameo
Appearance' guy the rest of the season who appears 1-2 times a week.

Jroll has actually had an acceptable walk rate the last 2 years, this season hes regressed back to his normal career lows, but obviously he's playing much much better in the last month than he was earlier on, so hopefully that improves along with the rest of his numbers.

They should trade Thome now with the understanding that the trading team must trade him back in time for the World Series. Because that's very likely to be, um, necessary.

"Mayberry is .278/.274./539 vs LHP"

b-ref says no player in mlb history has ever had a OBP lower than their AVG at the end of a season (didnt even make a PA minimum).

aksmith: the trade for Thome ought to be for "a player to be considered latter," which would be Thome by the end of the season

Kufasz - It would not be the first time a player has been traded for himself.

lorecore, those numbers for Mayberry are only for PA against LHP. He has 8 walks against RHP, so he'd have to go on a sac fly craze to drop his overall OBP below his BA.

Please don't post anything about anybody on the team and the word "tear".

They should just fill the Gatorade container in the dugout with liquid Tylenol and cortisone.

yeah i know, just pointing out that its very rare for someone to have 73 PA of any split at such a line.

Also, does ROE count down vs AVG, but up for OBP? It should. Mayberry is amongst the MLB Leaders in ROE.

Lorecore, I just realized you were the only who originally posted the number, so you obviously knew what I told you. Ooops. Sorry.

Watching Mayberry hit this season is almost as frustrating as watching Pence hit. Any pitcher who throws either of them a pitch on the inner half has to have his head examined.

Especially with Mayberry, if they throw him anything on the outer half, he will either miss it, foul it off, or pull it to the left side of the infield. He pulls off so badly, especially against righthanders, it's like those kids in little league who are afraid of the ball. GG needs to have some long sessions with him, involving a cattle prod, to keep him from pulling off. This is something that happens at times to all hitters, but this has been quite a prolonged stretch.

What is shocking about the fact that Rollins' line is still middling after a hot streak? He was awful for over a month. Like, really really bad.

If I was some old dude waiting for an elbow replacement, I had my appointment for 3 months and I got a call telling me Herndon is taking my spot.....I would be pissed.

grandpa - You have a lot of requirements for being pissed. The day I realized that I was some "old dude", I became terminally pissed. No Herndon necessary.

That Herndon thing worked out real well didn't it? Kept that loser on the roster to as not to lose the gem and now we've got the dud we all knew he was. What a waste. Nice move RAJ. One of the many.

Pretty good bead on Mayberry after watching him now for 2+ years.

denny b was right and that if you place him in a good matchup (LHP especially who don't throw say above 92-93) he really delivers results with good power. Problem is that he is just overmatched in too many other situations (RHP or LHP starter who throws hard and/or really good changeup).

He has value as a cheap bench player who can play all three OF positions if necessary & 1B while giving you decent speed and occasional pop vs LHP.

Not ever going to be an everyday player nor he is going to have much value when he becomes arbitration-eligible & his salary starts to creep up above $1M annually.

My bet is that he is here again next year as a bench fixture with 50/50 odds he is around in 2014 in the same role.

I AM SOooOooooooOo STEAMED!

Phils did win the Mayberry-Golson trade too (Amaro's first trade as GM here). Basically a 'junk for junk' trade you don't see too often in baseball especially at the prospect level.

Golson has gotten little more than a cup-of-coffee at the MLB level & is basically a AAAA player right now/organizational filler.

Ed: What a weird thing to get angry about.

MG: Good analysis of Mayberry.

MG: Both Nix and Mayberry compliment each other very well - if both healthy, then they could be a very legit asset together. Cheap power with decent defense.

Any thoughts about the Peralta thing in the Washington/Tampa game last night? I normally like Joe Maddon but I thought his response was really odd. "Cowardly" of the Nationals to have the umpire look at Peralta's glove, but nothing wrong with Peralta cheating?

Meanwhile, Carlos Pena quoted as being "saddened" that a former teammate of Peralta's "betrayed him." What the hell? Am I missing something?

Yeah I agree MG. Amaro, Jr. did win that deal with Golson and Mayberry.

My client sat next to Doris Burke on the bus. The substance came from this incident.

@DH..I haven't really dug into the aftermath of that Peralta stuff but I was watching MLBN last night and Mitchy Poo was saying that hitters then shouldn't be allowed to use pine tar. I know he is going to take the pitcher's side no matter what but I have to agree with him. If it is in fact pine tar and used solely to help with grip then I don't get the gripe.

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Joe D: It's illegal to use pine tar to grip the baseball and it's not illegal to use it to grip the bat. Whether that is fair or not is debatable, but those are the rules, and by those rules, Peralta was clearly cheating. Besides, it's not clear to me that the things a batter is allowed to do to help him hold a wooden bat should necessarily equal the things a pitcher is allowed to do to grip a ball - for example, batters can wear batting gloves but pitchers can't.

I could see someone thinking it's bush league to ask the umpires to check every pitcher's glove every game or something, but if you ask to check one pitcher's glove and it turns out he is, in fact, cheating, then it's totally justified.

Either way, I feel like "everyone does it" and "you're a snitch" should not be responses to being caught cheating at the professional level.

Why didnt they get Thome in last nights game instead of Luna. He will really cool down if he isnt used in situations like that.

"Ruf and Ready" #12 last night.

Rich - Agreed. No reason he can't hit PH once a game.

With the way Wiggington plays third there's no reason they can't put Thome over there once a week, give him some hockey pads and have him kick-save some grounders over to Rollins.

I used to argue that Howard should do this when he was REALLY awful at the beginning of his career (now he's just merely awful), but I'm sure there's some sort of equipment stipulation in the MLB which outlaws things like hockey pads.

@Ice but i think he can put pine tar on his uniform and hope it sticks to his body like velcro

Joe D: It's illegal to use pine tar to grip the baseball and it's not illegal to use it to grip the bat. Whether that is fair or not is debatable, but those are the rules, and by those rules, Peralta was clearly cheating. Besides, it's not clear to me that the things a batter is allowed to do to help him hold a wooden bat should necessarily equal the things a pitcher is allowed to do to grip a ball - for example, batters can wear batting gloves but pitchers can't.

I could see someone thinking it's bush league to ask the umpires to check every pitcher's glove every game or something, but if you ask to check one pitcher's glove and it turns out he is, in fact, cheating, then it's totally justified.

Either way, I feel like "everyone does it" and "you're a snitch" should not be responses to being caught cheating at the professional level.

Posted by: DH Phils

Copy-paste! Don't kill me!

Well yeah the rules clearly state that pine tar isn't allowed for pitchers and when you think about it from a safety perspective it certainly isn't necessary for a pitcher to use pine tar to grip then throw the ball. The pitcher can do that with his own bare hand whereas a hitter is swinging with a lot of velocity and it is pretty likely (I mean it does happen) that the bat can fly out of a hitter's hand.

For me I just don't get as worked up about cheating or supposed cheating anymore. It's everywhere and in all shapes and forms and it's not my job to police it so I don't care. The steroid stuff used to irk me but now I really don't care.

lorecore -- too bad he can't PH a few times a game

RE: battle of the ballparks...

The guy who suggested the Schmitter? C'mon dude...back in 2004 it was good but now it is god awful. The last time I had one it was like I was chewing on a Goodyear. PNC Park really is terrific as is AT&T. I hope they don't keep up the good play and turn into anything good because their ticket prices are so cheap, esp. in the lower level.

joed: my complaining about the copy-paste was directed at when theres a 3 paragraph post and your comment responds to about 1-2 sentences only, but paste the whole thing regardless. And then others will copy paste both your response and the entire original comment, and so on.

Everyone copy/pastes and quotes, its essential on this type of commenting format - i just felt like in seasons past it was done a bit more concisely, and now the trend is to just flood it all out there and drowns out the 'readability' of some threads.

nothing big, just me bitching, about a non-phillies issue to mix it up.

I have said this an insane amount of times but I can't get over that stupid beam that blocks the skyline of Philly at CBP. I hate that more than any move RAJ can make...well almost any.

I hear you lorecore....I won't paste the entire post if I'm only going to hit back on a few points. Noted.

I think the Phils got Pods back. Why-- He's on the DL.

Starting Pitchers
Colorado: White (2-5, 5.56 ERA)
Philadelphia: Blanton (6-6, 4.93 ERA)
+ excessive heat
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Maybe Thome could wear a Velcro uniform and simply smother grounders at third. Not many putouts, but there shouldn't be too many that get by him for doubles if he hugs the line all game. At the pace he has been hitting HRs his offense could more than cover any defensive deficiencies.

Charlie, Rube, your thoughts?

For me I just don't get as worked up about cheating or supposed cheating anymore. It's everywhere and in all shapes and forms and it's not my job to police it so I don't care. The steroid stuff used to irk me but now I really don't care.

Posted by: Joe D | Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 01:13 PM

I pretty much agree with this. I was more puzzled by Maddon's reaction: to suggest Davey Johnson was somehow in the wrong for ratting out Peralta.

MG: how is soup the #1 concession item in all of baseball, a summer sport? Makes zero sense. I haven't been to a lot of games at the 'zen so I can't really speak to the concessions there. I usually go to Camden Yards and always get some Boog's BBQ.

Boog's is not bad, but I would vote for Bull's b-bcue given these two choices.

I don't lke the hypocrisy of the Nats. When Peralta used pine tar as a pitcher for them it was fine. Now that he's on the other team, it's suddenly cheating.

I believe many pitchers use some pine tar to better grip the baseball. Would be willing to bet some Nats use it too. Again it's done to better grip the ball, not to give the ball some movement a la Gaylord Perry.

DH Phils- I can understand Maddon having an issue with the Johnson & the Nats allowing Peralta to cheat while on their roster (or at the very least looking the other way while it was going on) and immediately turning around and busting him when he leaves the team. It's ethically inconsistent.

I understand how it comes off (Maddon basically defending Peralta's circumvention of the rules), but I can see why he's upset.

Why does Daniel Murphy have a Phillies cap sticking out of his uniform?

http://www.metsblog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Keez_Mets061912-9.jpg

Murphy is a butcher in the field but he can at least hit pretty consistently. Bring him on board!

The Schmitter - possibly the worst sandwich this side of the Mississippi.

RIP

Rollins (SS), Pierre (LF), Dumb (RF), Ruiz (C), Dumber (CF), Polanco (3B), Mayberry (1B), NINEConsecutiveStartsAreYouFuckingKiddingMe?!?!?! (2B), Blanton (P).

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Too bad our pitching has let us down.

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Posted by: GTown_Dave | Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 03:43 PM

Stay classy Phillies fans!

Is that a joke about Old Phan?

Old Phan couldn't stand much of the negativity on here. That's why he left.

Come on, you can't just say Shane is dumber than Pence.

That kind of thing needs to be put to a vote.

Too bad. He was very funny.

Is that a joke about Old Phan?

No idea. But if so I find it even less funny than the Phlipper Pants Posse. No small feat, that.

Mike Fontenot has permanently lost Charlie Manuel;s trust with the 10 (+/-) errors during that interleague road trip. It will be Martinez until Utley returns, I assume.

G'Town - agreed on the 3:57 post.

Me, too.

Cheating is a part of the game. Always has been and always will be.

Appealing to the ump to catch a cheater is, likewise, a part of the game.

Maddon is a crybaby. If I'm an opposing manager and you give me the opportunity to make you burn a relief pitcher for breaking the rules, I'd do it. Every single time.

I seriously have no clue why Mini Mart is still in the lineup against a RHP.

I guess I can see it against a LH starter. But against a RH starter? Rather have Pete Orr back up here.

Fontenot can at least hit a little bit. And we've seen from Chuckles this year with playing Wiggy at 3B, that he's not shy about playing a bad defender.

I'm old and un-hip. Can someone please explain these "ill" shirts on people and car magnets I see in my town at the shore all of a sudden?

Does that mean that person is a Phillies fan?
Is "ill" a good thing?

"And we've seen from Chuckles this year with playing Wiggy at 3B, that he's not shy about playing a bad defender."

this doesn't apply w.r.t a middle infield position. Moreover, /Wiggninton hasn;t sniffed 3B since Polanco returned and, probably won't as long as Fontenot is on the bench.

From earlier this season, RE: Hamels/Harper:

Marc Topkin: Maddon "appalled" by Cole Hamels actions: "It was inappropriate. I've never heard of anything like that before. I'm glad MLB reacted."

Uh-huh. Sure. So, Intentional HBP: Bad. Cheating: Good! Pointing Out A Player Is Cheating: Bad.

Maddon's a complex guy. Or a complete idiot.

I don;t get Maddon;s o-utrage about Johnson. I, like Schweitzer, would want the manager to do the same thing with that information. It is how the game is played.

Martinez's career splits tell me he shouldn't be facing MLB pitching, period.

Vs. RHP - .198 BA/.280 OBP/.297 SLG

Vs. LHP - .182 BA/.191 OBP/.197 SLG

"Can someone please explain these "ill" shirts on people and car magnets I see in my town at the shore all of a sudden?"

They started popping up in '09 when fans jumped on the bandwagon. Ask anyone wearing this shirt to name 5 guys on the current roster and they'll be stuck at 3, and probably include Raul Ibanez.

what i didn't get from the story was that Maddon was only allowed to challenge ONE pitcher the rest of the game.

"And Maddon, who used the one challenge the umpires allowed him to check Mattheus in the ninth, "

Can they only challenge when they have reason to challenge??? or is this to prevent some sort of Dbag move where you challenge every pitcher they send out...


I'd seen the 'ill' shirts before but now they are everywhere. 2 cars I saw (PA plates) today with giant 'ill' decals in their rear windows.

I don't get how "ill" can be a good thing.

It;s sla-n-g, DoCM. Like "bad" meaning "awesome".

I'm sure glad we have people here like PPP to be our moral compass

I see Brad Hawpe was released today. Isn't he a 3B? Any chance the Phillies take a look at him?

Thanks Hugh. First 'bad' became a good thing. Now 'ill' means awesome. Hmmm, what will they think of next? I am getting old.

Brad Hawpe is a 3B, and the term "ill" has been around for a long time, and it, like Hugh says, means "awesome".

Just like the Beastie Boys' album, "License to Ill", released about 15 years.

I'm not a Bible quoting man, and I don't revere it at all, but there is one line in there that I've found to be particularly true: "There is nothing new under the sun." It applies here.

Oops, meant to say, Brad Hawpe is an OF (not 3B).

I'm ill.

Give me an ill contract.

What's the over/under on Mini-Mart hate posts for tonight's game?

Given that GTown's around, I'm going with the over, and that's without even including the hatin' on this thread.

Did i just see someone dig into Michael Martinez splits?

Dear god, its been a rough season.

I wouldn't call it "Mini-Mart hate" as much as total bewilderment and shock that someone with Mini-Mart's baseball skills has fallen ass-backwards into an everyday position on this team. It was ridiculous when he was a utility man last year and it is even more ridiculous that he is a starter now.

I have no personal issues with Michael Martinez and I doubt anyone else does either. He just sucks at baseball, and you would have to really, really stretch to conclude otherwise.

Just like the Beastie Boys' album, "License to Ill", released about 15 years.

Try 26 years ago. I feel so old.

Also, Michael Martinez sucks.

o/u is at 9 tonight, saw a few at 9.5 (Phils -150).

I truly thought we'd be in the double digits tonight. Rockies Away offense is pathetic tho, so maybe Heavy B makes it two straight good starts.

DPat's hero Cuddyer has a whopping .280 OBP away from Coors.

For Phlipper to defend Martinez, he must have hit 1 2run double past the 7th inning in a close game one time, despite batting under .200 the entire rest of the season. That double in crunch time in that 1 game is worth a lot more than him making outs ~75% of his other ABs all season.

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