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Monday, June 25, 2012

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I think 75-80 wins is being generous at this point.

NEPP: That day, in net, they basically traded 3 prospects for the privilege of upgrading from Lee on a one-year deal to Halladay on a team-friendly four-year deal. Of those prospects, d'Arnaud would be very nice to have, but it is not clear to me that not having d'Arnaud is the problem with this team.

Your position requires a convoluted step-by-step logic that trading Lee meant they had to trade for Oswalt, which is the problem with this team. There are two problems with that logic: the Oswalt trade was a flat-out steal, and the Oswalt trade would have been necessary had the events of December 16, 2009 not occurred at all. You can make a case that the Lee trade on December 16, 2009 was a problem on its own but the events of that day, in net, were pretty clearly positive, I think. In my argument, I have not even mentioned the fact that it's not really fair to suggest ex post that a trade that leads to back-to-back years with the best record in baseball was a mistake because the team didn't win the World Series those years. From an ex ante standpoint, the Phillies maximized their probabilities of success in both '10 and '11.

Repost:

NEPP, the OBVIOUS move yesterday was for Charlie to PH Pierre (who wound up getting burned as a pinch runner) for the pitcher, and have Thome on the bench to hit for mini-mart.

But, charlie values mini-marts superior defense "so much" that he thinks that his .388 OPS and OPS+ of 6 (NO, THAT 6 (SIX)IS NOT A TYPO) is acceptable and more than made up for by his defense.

By what calculation?

mini-mart, in only 48 PA, has already equaled his 2011 bWAR of -0.4 (-0.5 fWAR) which took him 234 PA to reach last season. I'm not a fan of the accuracy of WAR, but I thinks it's illustrative of the fact that mini-mart costs them baseball games.

He stinks and doesn't belong on a MLB roster.

The fact that the Phillies FO/manager think he's their best current option gives people the ammunition to question the rest of their personnel moves.

Your argument hinges on the fact that they were forced to trade for another starting pitcher, ignoring the facts that they didn't give up much for that pitcher and that had they kept Lee and not acquired Halladay, they still would have needed to acquire another pitcher.

I would argue that Mini Mart doesnt belong on a AAA roster either.

And I am completely serious when I say that.

NEPP - I don't. This team has played about as poorly as they can this month & had a bunch of general bad luck to boot generally.

The bigger issue is that the hole they have dug now is that much tougher to overcome. My bet is the Phils end up some where north of .500 (83-84 wins) but home in October.

Going to put Amaro in a tough position if they are 6 or 7 games out even of the wildcard at the end of July.

***Going to put Amaro in a tough position if they are 6 or 7 games out even of the wildcard at the end of July. ***

There wasnt even a whisper of us looking at Youkilis despite him going for peanuts. We're already in sell mode even if they haven't said so yet.

Youkilis would have give us some hope.
Way to pull the trigger Ruben.

Fata -

"...despite every statistic in the universe showing just how ill-conceived that position was, "

My argument about Galvis was based on the unquestionable value of his defense coupled with a comparison to a team where virtually every other team member was struggling mightily offensively. I spoke about the number of times he had produced important hits (as reflected for example in his relatively high production of RBI per AB0, while your "every statistic in the universe" included such stats as his OPS - which is a useful metric but weak as a measure of a players value to his team. (As a side note, it is interesting that considerably deeper into the season, I read that Galvis was among league leaders in game-tying or lead-producing RBI.)

That difference reflects a different viewpoint on the usefulness of stats and the validity (validity meaning how well they measure what they are purported to measure).

And how that argument went down was a perfect example of my point about thinking: What I said is that given Galvis' defensive contributions and his propensity for getting RBI in his relatively few hits, he was certainly worthy of consideration for team MVP (an absurd concept anyway so early in the season). In response, simplistic thinkers (I could name names) said that I argued that Galvis was the team's MVP because he was such a great hitter.

And Fata - given how you went on and on after something like 15 games about how your enlightened understanding of statistics led you to determine with a large degree of certainty that the Phils offense stinks, you may want to rethink whether you want to walk into this argument.

Galvis would have kept Mini Mart off the 25 man roster once Utley returns on Wednesday...that alone is worthy of an MVP trophy.

The lousy season gives the FO the cover to trade Hamels. They never wanted to sign him anyway. They are still more interested in making money (see rain delay, Friday) than they are in winning.
Wheels was working overtime yesteday making excuses for the organization.

DH Phils: Excellent, and very thorough, analysis in your 10:34 post. Still, I feel like there's an element of analysis that you have completely missed: you forgot to throw in a few gratuitous ad hominem attacks.

Phlipper - It was an incredibly stupid argument. Period.

I wonder if the chances are better at winning the division than the wild card. I could easily see the Nationals finishing with a worse record than, say, St. Louis and San Francisco. There are also fewer teams to jump in the division race, and I think the Phillies are better than Miami and New York, even as presently constructed.

Either way, it's a low-probability event at this point with the hole being what it is.

"...and I count the Thome/Pierre/Martinez decision among the most glaring in Manuel's career - the players are the ones who aren't executing..."


JW, yes, but your point makes me re-state a point I made on the last thread:

"Any team that relies on Michael Martinez (or thinks they can) to come through in the clutch in order to win a game is not a very good baseball team. Period."


BTW, another move Chalie could have made in the 8th inning of the first game was to pinch-run Fontenot for Thome, and use Pierre as a PH for mini-mart. Fontenot could then have stayed on the game at 2B. Fontenot must really be in the doghouse.

"I would argue that Mini Mart doesnt belong on a AAA roster either."


NEPP, you're looking for an argument from me?

Fontenot went into the doghouse and came out in Narnia. He's not even in the same universe at this point.

George - They delayed the game on Friday because the Rays weren't coming back to Philly again. They wanted to get the game in & avoid the DH.

I still don't understand why people would accuse this team of 'being cheap.' That was a fair accusation in '06 and maybe even through '07. Phils have spent and spent heavily since '08 though & reinvested a ton of that additional cash flow back into the team payroll.

Now maybe they haven't done that as you would have liked or thought was prudent but that's another argument.

Simply by reading the names on these posts reflects how crappy this team is. It sounds like a spring training roster.

It has been a quite a while though where the Phils/Pirates play a series in summer where the Phils are looking up at the Pirates in the standings by this many games.

Well a main reason the Phils weren't considered contenders for Youkilis is that they weren't interested in adding any salary.

The BoSox paid most of Youk's salary...

Phlipper, I would not retract my argument about the offense from earlier this season.

Predictions, even those based on sound reasoning, are not, as you may well know, always correct. It's the beauty of baseball.

Youk has about $7.6 million left in salary for 2012 and a 2013 buyout...the BoSox gave the WhiteSox $5.5 million as part of the deal.

There wasnt even a whisper of us looking at Youkilis despite him going for peanuts. We're already in sell mode even if they haven't said so yet.

Considering what the RSox got for Youk, the most likely scenario is that Youk is done.

Does this team need another aging, broken down player who is limited defensively?

Considering he basically cost nothing, it would hav been worth a shot, eh?

It is amazing how Manuel can even try to justify hitting with Martinez in any situation. The only way the man should be able to hit in a key situation is if he is the last living human being along with the pitcher. Other than that there is no excuse for it. And not only did Martinez have 1 big at bat this week...he got 2! Charlie let him hit earlier in the week too in a big spot with Thome rotting away. It's inexcusable. This team is done and it is really done with Manuel still at the helm. I think blame can be spread pretty evenly throughout the front office, Charlie and the players but there is just no way Charlie can be a part of this team today and the future. This team needs a forward-thinking (hell, thinking period) manager that is going to be able to push young players (young players they have to turn to as they begin to shed payroll and get younger).

I have never thought this thing was going to get righted but yesterday just shows that there aren't enough Ryan Howard bombs, Chase Utley hustle plays or Doc gems in this team's future that will cover all the warts. It just isn't happening. Period.

I predict that us not acquiring Youkilis this year will mean very little in relation to where we stand come game 162.

I would take an aging broken down player of Youkilis pedigred(see Thome, Jim) anyday over the triple A rejects that comprise this team.

UC would have been smarter to PH Cliff Lee over Mini Mart...even with Lee starting the nightcap.

The phillies cannot let their FA's leave for nothing. Trade Hamels, trade victorino and anyone off the bench they can get value for. Once brown is healthy, bring him up and have the outfield be Brown, Mayberry and Pence. Ideally, in the hamels trade you get Castellanos or some other high end 3B prospect. Bring up Cloyd to take Hamel's spot.
I read an article on another website about 5 teams that might be interested in Lee, so maybe they can sign hamels and trade Lee, but I don't see it happening. I'm not really sure it's worth it to give Hamels 7 years at $25-27 Mil a year.
The Rotation in 2013 could be Halladay, Lee, Worley, Cloyd and May. And the starting 8 being Brown, Mayberry, Pence, Castellanos (or 3B prospect from Hamels trade), Rollins, Utley, Howard and Ruiz. I'm alright with that. Then you can fill out the bench and bullpen and go from there. If Utley is unable to play, they have Galvis to play for him.

awh: While I agree with everything in your post, you left this out: a LOOGY was coming into the game. As bad as Mini-Mart's overall numbers are, those numbers actually grossly overstate his odds of success in that situation. As a RH hitter, he has a career OPS of .342, and a 2012 OPS of .250.

Nonetheless, here's what lifted yesterday's decision from the realm of "Typical Cholly Bungling" into the realm of "Twilight Zone-esque Stupidity:" Thome wasn't even a particularly important runner. He represented neither the tying nor go-ahead run, but the run after that.

***The Rotation in 2013 could be Halladay, Lee, Worley, Cloyd and May***

Considering May is getting beat up in AA, I somehow dont see this happening.

Also, that lineup is terrible.

Get me to Philly boys. The turds you guys lay on the field gets me closer to Philly. Whoo hooo

Capping off the season would be Rube making a complete desperation trade for someone like Carlos Quentin where he gives up a few major prospects (not that we really have any) and we still miss the playoffs.

"The Rotation in 2013 could be Halladay, Lee, Worley, Cloyd and May. And the starting 8 being Brown, Mayberry, Pence, Castellanos (or 3B prospect from Hamels trade), Rollins, Utley, Howard and Ruiz."

That's a team that is going to be hard-pressed to finish better than .500.

That RAJ is a moron is proven because he didn't go after Youk.

Of course, if he had gone after Youk, it would be proof that he's a moron.

MG,
Isnt the criticism about the rain delay the fact that the phillies made a killing selling beer and food for 5 hours during the rain delay and then scheduled the double header when that was maxed out. Rain is literally a gift from heaven for making money at CBP. How do you know the Phillies did or did not want to play a doubleheader?
BTW the other option was for the Rays to stop here on a day off after playing in NY or Boston and that make up would have been a sparse crowd and not as profitable, maybe even ended the sellout streak.
Having Martinez and the triple A bullpen is a testimony to their cheapness. I used to work there, believe me they are cheap.

Bert, excellent point.

Let me make my position clear:

When a baseball team has to rely on someone like mini-mart, it puts undue additional pressure on the rest of the lineup to produce. Now, whether that is an intangible that affects the team or causes the players to question Charlie's sof the FO's judgement you may debate. I don't know.

I do know this: Any team that has to rely on a player the calibre of mini-mart to win games for them is probably not a playoff calibre team. Sure, they made the playoffs last season, but with Utley and/or Howard in the lineup he wasn't "relied upon" to be a deciding factor in games.

Understanding that as flawed as players like Orr are, I still cannot conceive of any reason Charlie and Amaro prefer mini-mart.

Having sat through all three of this weekend's games, I am in complete agreement w/ MG's analysis (quoted by JW). This team is only consistent in their inconsistencies. I am also beyond apoplectic RE: Martinez. Before Charlie finally pulled him, Martinez was riding an 0-15 streak in which he struck out 6 times, & only 2 batted balls left the Infield. That he's not only on the roster, but starting regularly, is a disgrace to the entire organization. Injuries are one thing, but those injuries do not excuse the dreck on the field, or the way in which said dreck has been managed. This season is a loss. Its only relevancy will be in how the FO construes the failure, & what moves it does or does not make as a result.

Going or not going after Youk doesnt show that at all...it just shows that the Phillies are likely looking at selling pieces, not buying pieces.

MG: He's right, and so are you. If Amaro doesn't replace Polanco, Victorino, Hamels, Blanton, that's what's left.

Actually, TX Phils Fan is being quite generous with his inclusion of Utley in that lineup, which is questionable.

The time to re-stock the farm is now. Trading Hamels and Victorino is far from a guarantee to improve the team post-2012, but not doing so means you should start getting very comfortable with this level of performance for the foreseeable future.

"The only way the man (Martinez) should be able to hit in a key situation is if he is the last living human being along with the pitcher"

Maybe this is one of the signs we're in the Apocalypse.


That RAJ is a moron is proven because he didn't go after Youk.

Of course, if he had gone after Youk, it would be proof that he's a moron.

Posted by: Phlipper | Monday, June 25, 2012 at 11:02 AM

Well at least our hate for RAJ is very Taoist in nature.

"That's a team that is going to be hard-pressed to finish better than .500. "

The current team has one of the best rotations in baseball, with a league average offense that has key pieces that could/should be valuable contributors next season. The bullpen is among the league's worst.

Looking to next year, expecting roughly equal replacement for any players lost and improvement in the bullpen from the low level of current performance does not seem like a stretch.

I dont see our current rotation as one of the best in baseball...given the injury to Doc and Lee's struggles...not to mention 40% of our games being started by KK/Blanton.

Capping off the season would be Rube making a complete desperation trade for someone like Carlos Quentin where he gives up a few major prospects (not that we really have any) and we still miss the playoffs.

Posted by: NEPP

This is what I expect to happen. I'm miserable right now.

Largely indifferent to Youk. He's given the Red Sox a line of .244/.333/.402 (.736 OPS) in 82 ABs since he came back in late May.

He's not as bad as some make him out to be at 3B (certainly better than Wigginton/Luna) but he's not even above average there.

Really depends on how Polanco is and how bad is wrist injury really is. He hasn't hit much at all since he missed nearly a week earlier this month (.189/.286/.297 in 37 ABs).

If Polanco is going to be a sub .600 OPS player the rest of the year, then the Phils should have traded for Youk. If however Polanco is going to be a .650-.700 OPS guy the rest of the year (think that he will end up putting up), then the upgrade offensively of playing Youk at 3B is pretty much canceled out by the defense upgrade by playing Polanco.

"The phillies cannot let their FA's leave for nothing."

I think this may be fallacy. Look at what the Astros got for Bourn who, unlike Vic, was in the midst of a very good season & was under one more full year of team control. And look what the Sox just got for Youkilis who, like Vic, is in the midst of a down year but, unlike Vic, comes with a team option.

I'd guess that 2-3 months of Vic would yield you something like: one major league ready "prospect" who isn't very good (i.e., a Jordan Schaefer/Brent Lillibridge type), plus maybe one or two run-of-the-mill A or AA prospects. If that's it, I'd rather have the first round pick. Of the Phillies' FAs-to-be, the only one who has legitimate trade value is Hamels.

I couldn't care less about them getting Youk. That guy is done.

***This is what I expect to happen. I'm miserable right now.***

I forgot to add the part where whoever Rube gets in a massive trade will not perform as well as Youk down the stretch...which would be our luck at this point.

Whether it be picks or trades that they decide to go with in terms of the current free agents I can say with complete confidence that I have no confidence in RA Jr. to do the right thing.

A rotation of a 36 year old Halladay coming off an injury shortened season, a 34 year old Lee, Worley, Cloyd and lee would be "one of the best rotations in baseball"?

I doubt it.

Just to be clear - I am not "defending" the use of Mini-Mart.

But after reading hand-wringing about the worst player on the roster year after year, even during years when the team lead MLB in wins, and even though I think that WAR is a pretty pathetic metric, I would be curious to know what the average lowest WAR is for players on other MLB teams.

***I would be curious to know what the average lowest WAR is for players on other MLB teams. ***

Dont forget to prorate it by PA...as Mini Mart has only had 45ish PA so far and has still posted a horrific negative WAR.

Remember, WAR is a cumulative stat.

Phlipper: I missed it in the last couple threads.

Did you make your post defending Charlie allowing Mini-Mart to hit? I'd like to know your opinion on this tactical decision by Charlie. Assuming, of course, that you weigh and analyze all the costs and benefits.

They only need to play at a .648 clip to get to 91 wins. Totally doable. Tots McGots. Right.

"The only way [Martinez] should be able to hit in a key situation is if he is the last living human being along with the pitcher"

If that's the scenario, you go with the pitcher.

@BAP...I meant it was him and the opposing pitcher.

Mini Mart is almost assuredly the single worst baseball player on any major-league roster.

This isn't to be read as "ripping" on Mini-Mart. I'm sure he's a good guy trying his best. It should *absolutely* be read as ripping the GM and Manager of a team that puts Mini-Mart on the roster and then starts him consistently.

RAJ Didn't get Youk because he didn't want him .There could be no other reason. Don't forget, RAJ know everything and we phans know nothing (sarcasm).

OK - just so we have it on record...

It seems that a consensus is developing that a rotation next year of:

Doc, Lee, Worley, Blanton?, and Hamels or someone signed with the money that didn't go to his contract, would not be one of the best rotations in baseball?

Still bet they are neither sellers/buyers at the deadline including Hamels saying here. Stand pat.

It wouldn't surprise me if they move Vic even though I doubt he gets the Phils much. I wouldn't be surprised if they look to move a few pieces (e.g., Wigginton, maybe even Polanco) in basically straight salary dumps if they can to say a few bucks.

Phlipper, just stop. Who cares if other teams have players as terrible as Mini-Mart (I doubt they do).

That says nothing to the fact that those players likely aren't starting over a better, more qualified player who has been in the league as a utility infielder for years (Fontenot), nor does it say anything to the fact that our esteemed manager chose to burn a future HoF, by pinch hitting him with 2 outs and an effective base open with Martinez in the on-deck circle, and THEN, choosing to take a more qualified pinch-hitter in Juan Pierre and have him run for Thome (for what was essentially an extraneous run), and still allowing Micheal Martinez (of the 6 OPS+) to bat with 2 outs and the game on the line.

But yeah, I heard the A's have a terrible player buried on their bench, so everything is better.

"Did you make your post defending Charlie allowing Mini-Mart to hit?"

Jack, when did you stop beating your wife?

So tonight they face Jeff Karstens who has been out with injuries and hasn't pitched in the majors since 4/17.

"@BAP...I meant it was him and the opposing pitcher."

In that case, you go with one of the dead guys.

Mike Costanzo has a -0.5 WAR in just 21 PA...so there's that.

Jason Donald has a -0.5 WAR in 49 PA (compared to Mini Mart's 48 PA)

So there's that.

See, our franchise is good at developing something. That something just happens to be historically bad utility infielders.

Phlipper: Ok, let me rephrase.

Did you express an opinion regarding Charlie's decision to allow Mini-Mart to hit? Please be sure to consider all costs and benefits, of course.

Why are we assuming that we're going to lose all these players and get nothing in return?

We lose Vic, Polly and Hamels, freeing up a good bit of money- and we're not going to replace any of them with other pieces?

This is an honest question- people think that the FO wants to just slash payroll and there's going to be a mass exodus?

Phlipper, because if they don't sign Hamels, they'll be able to get someone comparable for him on the open market? If it's not Greinke, then who?

Also, they could still have a very good rotation next year, but do you just assume that at 36 (Doc) and 34 (Lee), they'll still be top 10 pitchers?

I hope so, but eventually they are going to decline.

So how do you guys read the move of Charlie pinchhitting for Martinez in the 4th last night?

I didn't read the previous thread and I apologize but do people think it was:

a) an admission of a mistake from the day game
b) a smug move on his part to get back at the media
c) Charlie just did it and is too dumb to have a motive behind it

I'm thinking it's probably just C.

Iceman, that's a good question, but I think the FA market is fairly thin this off-season. If we lose Vic, Hamels and Polly, with whom could we replace them that will vault us back to contender status?

"Phlipper, just stop. Who cares if other teams have players as terrible as Mini-Mart (I doubt they do)."

Fata - it is obvious from the many posts declaring him the worst player in the league, that many people do care. It's also obvious that the many posts concluding that him being on the roster and getting playing time is proof that both RAJ and Charlie are morons show that many people do care.

My point is this: The level of hand-wringing about Mini-Mart is quite comical. Yes, he's the worst player on the team. Yes, his use has been questionable. But how about if we go back and read some of the posts about Fontenot after he had that series of crucial errors? The constant post after post about Mini-Mart is just like the constant post after post we saw about Bruntlett, or that we saw about Fontenot when he was getting playing time, or about Orr when he was getting playing time.

It really is true: each player in the league has a worst player.

***We lose Vic, Polly and Hamels, freeing up a good bit of money- and we're not going to replace any of them with other pieces? ***

We gain some money but also lose around $9 million in escalating salaries to guys already under contract...so the net gain isn't that much. We'll have around $30 million to replace 2 SP, CF, 3B and several bench/bullpen guys.

Bruntlett was an all-star compared to Michael Martinez...dont ever bash him like that again.

@Iceman...no I don't think they will just slash payroll just to do it. I think they will bring new blood in. I just hope they go in a new and younger direction. They can't just try to add the highest paid free agent in an attempt to win in 2013 because the window is slamming shut right here right now. The next 6 weeks are not only going to define this year (which is lost IMO) but the next 3-5 years. They need to make some seriously calculated moves.

d. Since a lefty was starting, Charlie "had to" start Mini Mart even though it was a bullpen lefty who wasn't going to make it through the lineup twice.

To put it in perspective on Mini Mart:

Career OPS+
Michael Martinez: 41
Steve Jeltz: 61
Eric Bruntlett: 65


d. Since a lefty was starting, Charlie "had to" start Mini Mart even though it was a bullpen lefty who wasn't going to make it through the lineup twice.

Posted by: Bill

Damn I didn't even think of this. That's terrific.

Iceman: I give you $30 million in payroll to sign two starting pitchers, a CF, and a 3B.

Who are you signing that makes this team a playoff contender?

***I'm thinking it's probably just C.***

I'm thinking it was Option D: "Please fire me so I can sit at home next year and still get paid"

Jesus NEPP. That is something else.

Jack - let me rephrase.

When did you stop beating your dog?

I really do believe Charlie is just begging to get canned at this point. He has called out the team in the media and now he is calling out the media for calling him out. The guy wants out of this mess, the mess he helped create.

Phlipper: How was my rephrasing a loaded question?

I simply asked for your opinion on that decision. Do you have one?

Was there a forecast for Friday that matched what really happened?

There were rain delays in Baltimore, Philly, NY and Boston. Every other game ended up being played that night and the storm only seemed to stall in our fair town.

Jack -

Do you have an opinion on when you stopped beating your wife/dog? I'm simply asking your opinion.

"d. Since a lefty was starting, Charlie "had to" start Mini Mart even though it was a bullpen lefty who wasn't going to make it through the lineup twice."

That is absolutely the correct answer, although it would have been even more correct if you'd added "and even though the left-handed Fontenot has a career OPS against LHP that is .302 points higher than Mini-Mart's."

Mike Fontenot, lifetime vs. LHP:

.227/.299/.345, 225 PA

mini-mart, lefetime vs. LHP:

.160/.169/.173


Overall I'm a Charlie supporter and think he's a good manager, but letting mini-mart hit in that situation was IMO the most inexplicable move of Charlie's tenure as the Phillies manager.

And as I mentioned above, he could have PR Fontenot for Thome and used Pierre as a PH for mini-mart. Pierre is a lifetime .302/.360/.341 hitter vs. LHP, though he's only .162/.184/.162 in 2012 in a small sample size of 38 PA. Even Fontenot is a .227/.299/.345 lifetime hitter vs. LHP.

Charlie's decision to let mini-mart hit with the game on the line is something that makes absolutely no sense - no matter what he might say in order to justify it.

Mike Fontenot has a career 94 OPS+ spread of 7 seasons and over 1500 PA and is 32.

Mini-Mart has a career 41 (!!!!!) OPS+ spread over 2 seasons, and is already 29 himself.

I can see no reason why we fans would be outraged over the latter starting in place of the former. No reason.

Seriously, Phlipper, Manuel could start a tree stump at 2B tonight, and if we complained about it, you'd say we were "hand-wringing" excessively.

Phlipper: Now, now. Here you are just obviously evading this. The correct analogy to my last question is "Jack, do you have an opinion on beating your wife?" To which I would say yes, that's a terrible thing to do.

You were right that my first question was loaded. Fair enough. But now you're just avoiding giving your opinion. Phlipper, what is your opinion on Charlie's decision in that situation?

Just listed four primo tix in Hall of Fame Club on Stubhub for Tues night (fireworks)at face value (can't even entice anyone with the Preferred Parking pass), meaning the payout to me is 85% of that.....I would be thrilled if they sell. However, there are almost 4,000 tix listed as of now. Hard to believe, Harry.....

Note on the $30 million commment by me...that is assuming the luxury cap of $178 Million is still our de facto salary cap as it has been this year.

The cap doent jump to $189 million until 2014.

Guys we can dig up all the #s we want in favor of Fontenot > Martinez but what is really sad is that Charlie can't just flat out see that Martinez can't be up in that situation. What statistical evidence do you need when you can just see he shouldn't be up there? It's common f-ing sense.

Has the League office made a ruling as to whether or not Mini Mart will be allowed to use a cricket bat going forward?

@BMS...I'm sorry about your tickets and re-sale issue. That really stinks man.

Tickets on stubhub for as low as $6. Why even take the energy to list it? Once stubhub takes their cut you can get maybe a slim jim.

bap, I agree with your post.

Those points, and the ones I made, are the reason that I rank the decision to let mini-fail hit in the 8th yesterday as THE most inexplicable of Manuel's entire tenure in Philly.

And yes, I am now referring to Michael martinez as "mini-fail".

@ Joe D.....no sweat. The worst part is I'd have just as much trouble giving them away. How many "are you f'n serious" responses can one man take!

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