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Thursday, June 28, 2012

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Wow, first Mini Mart, now Qualls shown his walking papers. Sounds like RAJ is feeling a little heat...

How much longer is Savery around?

DFA'ing Qualls and demoting Savery feels a little like scuttling the ship before accepting surrender terms.

Savery's already gone.

Well, we have no idea what the likes of Jeremy Horst can bring to the big league team. That said, we DO know what Qualls has consistently brought. In this instance, and until proven otherwise, I'll take the devil I don't know. Perhaps Cholly's perplexing usage of his bullpen was all just a rouse to expose them and light a fire under Rube? If so, it looks like it worked.

What do we have left back there (aside from the recent call ups) for today's Kendrick start?

Salt, I meant as in how much longer is Savery around as a pitcher (or in the organization as a whole)? It doesn't feel like it's a matter of "needing more seasoning in AAA" for him.

I think this was basically Savery's chance...he'll play out the year in Lehigh barring another injury to our BP but this is probably it for him in Philly.

Another key point is we never expected to need the bullpen as much as we have.

It was fully expected that most of the time, Hamels, a healthy Halladay, and Lee could take us at least 8 innings, and then it would be Pap Time.

In that scenario, a deep and solid bullpen wouldn’t be a strategy for winning each game, but a contingency plan. So maybe the primary disappointment shouldn’t be the inability of the bullpen, but that the financial strategy of building a team around flawless starting pitching didn’t materialize as planned.

Posted by: can_of_corn | Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 11:14 AM


Very true. Halladay's injury has had a domino effect.

I guess Quall's failure last night was the final straw. I'm surprised because he had a string of successful outings prior to last night and because the rest of the 'pen doesn't seem better.

Not unhappy, though. There's something satisfying about rewarding a crappy performance (one of many this season) with a DFA or demotion. It feels like doing something about it, rather than just accepting it.

I'm not dancing with joy, expecting the BP to be better now. I'm awaiting proof on that score.

Kind od like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic but it does feel a bit like frontier justice too.


Well, we have no idea what the likes of Jeremy Horst can bring to the big league team. That said, we DO know what Qualls has consistently brought.

Exactly, & I feel the same way about every single minor league pitcher the Phillies have floating around. Might as well bring 'em up, give 'em work & really see what's there, what isn't, what adjustments are needed & who simply won't cut it. This is a now a LOST SEASON. Suffering through watching these kids face MLB hitters might wind up being the only long-term positive result of the whole mess.

To me, it feels like a "See, I'm doing something" move from Rube.

That said, why not try it...its not as if the BP can get worse.

If they thought Qualls was so bad, why did they have him pitch the most relief innings on the team? Either you think Qualls is a marginal pitcher who you're ready to cut after a bad game, or he's someone you rely on as your first choice out of the pen. If he's both, that indicates a bad decision-making process.

Zolecki: "Qualls said he was surprised. Asked Amaro to trade him."

That's hilarious. I can't even imagine the look on r00b's face. He was the only GM dumb enough to sign Qualls in the first place, but Chad thinks someone else would be willing to give up an actual, living person in exchange for his nightly awfulness? Get a real job in the real world, jackass.

"Trade me"

"I already tried...besides there are age limits for the Little League World Series"

"..."

Wow. Well, add Qualls to the list of Eaton and Baez.

An unusual move for the FO to do something like this. Not that I disagree with it.

Lol Chad. F off.

With Baez, we at least had that awesome 5 inning relief effort last year.

With Chad? Not so much.

To me, it feels like a "See, I'm doing something" move from Rube.

That said, why not try it...its not as if the BP can get worse.

Posted by: NEPP | Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 11:48 AM

I don't know. I hate to be in the unenviable position of defending Chad Qualls, but having seen, for example, Brian Sanches pitch earlier this year (SSS), it definitely can get worse.

I don't like the move. It feels to me like doing something just to do something. I still think Qualls is better than Schwimer, better than Sanches, and I suspect better than Horst. Not really an endorsement of Qualls, but an indictment of the other guys.

Good thing there are no aging, lights-out former superstar closers acquired off waivers cooking down in AAA for possible use in an emergency such as this one...

I think it can get worse in the sense that nuclear war gets worse if you blow up the world 10 times over instead of 5...but the end result of us losing stays pretty much the same.

And I agree with DH Phils. Qualls was awful, and probably the third most dependable guy out in the 'pen. I'm glad to see him go, but the replacements are no more trustworthy than the replaced. I'd love to be proven wrong.

My friend via email on Qualls being surprised:


He's just surprised because he didn't think McCutchen's HR counted until it actually landed. something that hasn't happened yet.

Pure gold.

Qualls will be traded to the Brother Hotel Elephants of the CPBL in Taiwan in exchange for a weekend package including spa treatment and Chinese banquet. The revolving door continues to revolve.

Don't feel sorry for Chad. He'll get free healthcare!

(please don't take that as an invitation to engage in political debate; just cracking a joke)

That's so funny about the McCutchen bomb.

Trade? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. So I guess he won't be accepting an assignment to AAA. I wonder if there's any team out there desperate enough to claim him.

Chad's a 7 year vet, he gets a full pension including healthcare anyway.


@JoeD: Yeah, it made me bust out laughing at work so I figured it was worthy of reposting.

Like I said at least Lidge only gives up two runs per inning....lol

I am in shock. Never thought I'd see the day.

In defense of Brian Sanches, he did put up pretty decent numbers for the Marlins between 2009 & 2011. He is essentially the same animal as Chad Qualls -- a veteran, 30-something major league reliever with declining stuff, but past success. Only real difference is that Qualls has better stuff and better command than Sanches. Um . . . er . . . I mean . . . what I was trying to say was . . . the defense rests, ladies and gentlemen.

Next move?
How 'bout replacing RAJ with a real GM.

Qualls asking to be traded is like going to a car dealer and asking if you can trade in your car that you drove into a lake...and asking this while the car is still AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LAKE!

Qualls has made more than $10,000,000 in his career. I think I will hold off on feelings of sympathy.

Less about scuttling than the immediate necessity for fresh arms who can throw innings especially if KK only goes 4 or 5 IP.

Last time Amaro 'shook things up' was on May 11th after the Mets' sweep when they called up Valdes, Diekman, and Luna and sent down Savery/Sanches & put Nix on the DL.

That was a legit shakeup and hope that Diekman & Valdes could provide them with a lift. Generally did.

Time for Qualls to throw high arc softball

Qualls is nuts if he thinks he has any trade value.

Even if he was given his outright release, I could only see another club picking him up on a minor league deal at this point.

He's been consistently terrible since '10 except when he pitched in Petco last year.

Say this about Amaro- he is not afraid to cut his losses on a guy when it doesn't, or isn't working out.

Savery has officially reached 'organizational filler' status too with this last demotion.

Shame because he was a guy I rooted for and tried just about everything to make the MLB. He did but just isn't good enough.

Got to be a really tough feeling to deal with and overcome.

MG, only took him a year and a half to do with Baez.

G-town Dave hit it on the head with this: "This is a now a LOST SEASON."

I guess the Phillies will soon be like the new TV Show Dallas, keeping some of the old guys around like St. Utley, Cliff Lee et al to sucker us to watch, but fill up most of the roster with young guys that you never heard of. For a preview, check out the Houston Astros.

Yeah I know TTI, he has a lot of experience at that.

jon: "If they thought Qualls was so bad, why did they have him pitch the most relief innings on the team? Either you think Qualls is a marginal pitcher who you're ready to cut after a bad game, or he's someone you rely on as your first choice out of the pen. If he's both, that indicates a bad decision-making process."

Amaro's taken away two of Cholly's favorite toys (Mini-Mart and Qualls) in two days. It's likely a sign of an ongoing rift between the manager and the GM.

Phils have 3 guys in their pen who are building blocks and will be here next year: Diekman, Bastardo, and Papelbon.

Not a single guy otherwise who is a certainly and not a single even semi-reliable RH reliever who can setup.

Step 1: Cut Chad Qualls
Step 2: Sign Dontrelle Willis
Step 3: ?????
Step 4: profit

Given the last update on DeFratus on June 19th, it seems the Phils are pushing him a bit faster than normal to begin a rehab stint & be promoted right after the ASB as soon as he doesn't have a setback.

Pretty damn indictment too of how little the Phils think of Aumont right now too with all of these moves.

They are desperate for any kind of RH relief help and there hasn't even been an inkling of speculation about Aumont being promoted.

Results have been mixed at best at Lehigh but my bet is that it is more Dubee's low opinion of Aumont. Surprised how Dubee openly-criticized Amount both last spring and this spring including questioning his fortitude on the mound. Imagine Dubee thinks Aumont is a kind of a loser who hasn't shown much consistency.

Knock on Aumont is that he doesn't have a single offspeed pitch that is even average. Got a good curveball but it is really inconsistent and a below average changeup.

Clout was dead on a few weeks ago when he said you really have to wonder about the Phils' minor league develop instructors when they are turning out relief prospect after relief prospect who simply doesn't even have the one necessary prequisite off speed pitch necessary for a reliever to make it at the MLB level.

"Qualls asking to be traded is like going to a car dealer and asking if you can trade in your car that you drove into a lake...and asking this while the car is still AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LAKE!"

I'm glad someone came up with a suitable metaphor because this was just screaming out for one.

If its one thing Dubee knows, its crappy relief pitchers...

When PPP saw the breadth of his roster he wept for there were no more pants to pee in.

Aumont actually looked good this season for quite a while but then maybe earlier this week, he not blew the save, (no sexual innuendos please)- he pitched like it was batting practice for the opposing team. Ryne didn't have any arms or choose to leave the big guy out there to take his lumps...

Aumont is consistently inconsistent.

"Imagine Dubee thinks Aumont is a kind of a loser who hasn't shown much consistency."

I've gotten the same impression watching Dubee interact w/ Kendrick. The entirely one-sided mound conference & in-the-dugout lectures would be funny if not for the fact that the Phils are usually getting clobbered at the time.

Better question: How much longer is Rube around? I was very vocal about hating the Qualls signing from the get go. And I got roundly lambasted on here for it. So, I think people who criticize this move should look at their previous posts back when he was signed and see if you were in favor or not. In fact, I think Qualls actually exceeded my expectations, as bad as he was, and I'm very surprised that out of the steaming pile that is the Phillies pen, he was the one DFA'd. I figured one more of the kiddie corps would go down with Savery first.

"Wow, first Mini Mart, now Qualls shown his walking papers. Sounds like RAJ is feeling a little heat...

How much longer is Savery around?"

Posted by: Willard Preacher | Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Clout was dead on a few weeks ago when he said you really have to wonder about the Phils' minor league develop instructors when they are turning out relief prospect after relief prospect who simply doesn't even have the one necessary prequisite off speed pitch necessary for a reliever to make it at the MLB level.

Posted by: MG | Thursday, June 28, 2012 at 12:41 PM


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right on... it can't always be the fault of every pitching prospect that comes into our system, the 'teachers' have to share some culpability too - maybe these 'pitching coaches' think these pitchers are like a ready made meal. stick them in the AA or AAA microwave and they are ready to go.

I can't imagine anyone who replaces him being one of those guys that has me saying "Why'd we DFA Chad Qualls?". You'd have to be bad. Really really bad.

According to the CSNPhilly article, Phillies considered replacing Qualls with Brad Lidge or David Purcey before settling on Sanches.

Dave - Yeah. KK locked shell-shocked in his last outing with 2 really one-sided conversations from Dubee in the dugout. KK had that glazed over look which isn't a good sign.

Phils opened on this game at -140 2 weeks ago and are now done to +105. Think KK sucks too.

Sanches has found his control (29 K, 5 BB in 32.2 AAA innings), which deserted him last season. He might be able to help. It's worth a shot. Horst is a multiple-inning guy who can take over Savery's role in blowouts.

If we're buyers at the trade deadline, there are usually serviceable veteran relievers available for B or C-level prospects. The pen needs to tread water for a few weeks until the trade market shakes out.

Might be different this year. Second wild card would make more teams believe they're in the race. Lots of buyers but few sellers. Price would probably be steeper than normal.

Brad Lidge/David Purcey - That's desperation shopping even by Value Village standards.

Like hoping that dented can with no label isn't toxic if you ingest it.

This is a stellar start.

Yup. Don't let that lifetime 4.50 ERA or 1.400+ WHIP fool ya. Kendrick's a really good pitcher.

And I don't care if he throws 200 pitches & gives up 20 runs, Kendrick NEEDS to go 5 or 6 IP today. Time to kill yourself for the team, son.

It seems like every single time the 2012 Phillies find themselves in position to make a small positive statement -- like by winning a series against a WC rival -- Kyle Kendrick somehow ends up on the mound & completely proceeds to sh*t the bed. It would not be possible for a pitcher to come up smaller than he has this year.

"And I don't care if he throws 200 pitches & gives up 20 runs, Kendrick NEEDS to go 5 or 6 IP today."

How about if he throws 300 pitches and gives up 30 runs?

Wow, I guess KK really wants to head back to the 'pen.

Game Chat ==>

why the hell won't they bend just a little and bring up CLOYD? He can't be much worse that has been the debacle on the mound the past 2 days... He might even be better..

Oh - BTW - Brian Sanches gave up the house the other in LV...

other= other night

The next thing we need to do is stop making excuses for Kendrick, he just flat out stinks. Five runs in the 1st inning! Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out of town. Jamie Moyer anyone?

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