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Tuesday, June 19, 2012

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Josh Outman....a shame he couldn't be going against Blanton.

Who pitches on the 99 degree day (Thurs)?

Worley.

Worley, the guy who gets soaked through with sweat on a 50 degree night.

That should be interesting.

Blanton sweated through his clothes seeing the forecast on TV.

Blanton sweating is a good thing as his sweat has the consistency of Crisco and thus it gives him a little extra movement on his breaking pitches.

Calling TOR a marginal opponent is just wrong, considering they have a better or equal run-differential than anyone in our division, and a better SRS rating, by a good margin, than anyone in our division:

Team: Run-Diff/SRS

TOR: +31, 0.8
WSN: +32, 0.4
ATL: +16, 0.3
NYM: -3, -0.1
PHI: -7, -0.3
MIA: -47, -0.8

Toronto is better than our entire division, and considering our intra-divisional record, getting swept by them wasn't "missing out on an opportunity".

In fact, BAL and BOS have the worst SRS ratings in the AL East, at 0.6, which is better than EVERY team in the NL this year. The AL East is still the powerhouse of baseball, and by maybe its widest margin in a long, long time.

This series is sure to set some ratings records.

Phils needed to avoid the sweep in Toronto. Had 2 good chances to do that and couldn't get it done.

To really make up ground at this point, the Phils need a sweep of the Rockies. They haven't swept a 3-game series all year and they won't this series either (like them to take 2 of 3).

I love the Blanton fat jokes continuing despite the fact that he isn't even fat anymore. Worley has got 20 lbs on the guy.

MG, I agree that given how the games went, they definitely screwed up, but it wasn't like they blew an opportunity against a bad team. Toronto is a very good team, and in a regular season where we haven't been blowing games left and right, blowing games against a very good team is tolerable.

I have gotten 2 email messages since this weekend about tickets for this game.

Actually more tickets for the Rays game this weekend.

Last year Worley pitched well in an even hotter version of the post ASB Chicago weather that had Halladay practically stroked out by the 2nd inning. He'll be a'ight.

Yeah I keep getting e-mails about tickets too. You never got them before this year.

Those emails are like a final kick in the nuts considering I can't even dump extras on StubHub for half off this year. Gotta think the Phils are setting themselves up for a huge drop in advance sales next season.

I do wish their were more knuckleballers in the league. Dickey is the only one.

Dave - It depends on what they do this offseason including whether or not they resign Hamels.

If they don't, they are going to have to lower the payroll a bit because of an anticipated drop in advance ticket sales.

One of the reasons I don't think they are big sellers at the deadline. They won't be that buried because of the 2nd WC & they don't want to take the revenue hit (tickets may be sold but they will take a hit at other revenues if they are sellers).

I have games in July, August and September. I feel like the July one may be tolerable but August and September are shaping up to be prison sentences.

***I do wish their were more knuckleballers in the league. Dickey is the only one.***

Throwing a knuckeball is a mystical ability that is only allowed to 1-2 players at a time at the MLB level. Charlie Hough passed his skills off to Tim Wakefield and Wake has passed the bar off to Dickey. Its no coincidence that Wake's career went down just as Dickey's shot up and the same for Hough/Wakefield.

So out of curiosity I searched for 2 tickets for tonight, best available. I got section 130 row 14. Wow. Hello 90s!

***I got section 130 row 14. Wow. Hello 90s!***

Are they $12 like they were back then too?

I wish NEPP, I wish.

It will be interesting to hear the reception when they take the field in the 1st. But since I'll be watching it on TV I doubt I'll be able to make it out with T-Mac blabbing away.

Joe, maybe you can commute those "prison sentences" by donating the tickets to fans appreciative enough of the last five years to enjoy themselves at the ballpark this summer.


The knuckleball is one of the coolest, most unique things about baseball. There is no good analogy to the knuckleball in other sports.

The year Dickey having is so cool that it offsets, at least in my mind, the fact that he's a Met.

Joe, maybe you can commute those "prison sentences" by donating the tickets to fans appreciative enough of the last five years to enjoy themselves at the ballpark this summer.


Posted by: Ryan

Sure you can challenge my fandom that's fine. I'm too dumb to ever quit this team though.

I love the thought that being disappointed and discouraged with this team right now = not being appreciative of the past. They gave me the best ride I've seen and probably will ever see. You better believe I appreciate it.

DH Phils, the only possible analogy I could come up with was Rick Barry shooting free throws underhanded. Not sure how close it is, but it was as unique to his sport.

But you're right, the knuckleball is one of the trademarks that makes baseball such a great sport.

Some team should just take 10-15 of its crappy org filler pitchers and try to teach them the knuckleball. Bring in Wakefield as a roving instructor and just let them go at it in XST for a couple years to see if any of them can master it. Even if just 1 hit on it, it would be worth the effort.

How is NOT unappreciative of the past, Joe? Seriously, I really don't understand.

I came of age as a Philly sports fan in the early 80s, so I truly did "suffer" waiting for a title. All that time, all I heard was how the team that broke the drought, and its key player, would forever be gods in Philly. That went out the window three months into 2009 when Hamels struggled, and now the front office and most of the core players who just gave us the greatest run in franchise history are idiots and half-assers because the team is off to a bad start.

Also, which team in MLB would have gotten off to a GOOD start without its ace, two best hitters, four bullpen arms, and then its second-string second baseman and left fielder? I know, I know. Injuries are no excuse. Except for when they totally are and the people being excused have been really really good to us.

Just my opinion.

Ryan, you're correct. It is just your opinion, and you are most entitled to that opinion. What makes you come off as a bit of a jerk is when you admonish other people on how to be fans. Of baseball. A game. Played by millionaires. Strictly for the enjoyment of fans. Who can enjoy any way they please.

You want to raise them on a pedestal for all of eternity; awesome. I'm probably right there with you. Brad Lidge is one of my favorite Philly athletes simply because of 2008 and how he conducted himself during 2009. I never got mad at him during 2009, because he did it with such class and humility. But if others want to feel differently, fine by me.

Fat, I understand that. But a summer baseball game being a "prison sentence"? Jesus christ.

It's called all good things come to an end. We knew the run wouldn't last forever. I'll still be watching and going to games but that doesn't mean they will be anywhere near as enjoyable as 2007-2011 was.

Ryan, hyperbole is the most overused literary device of all time.

Ryan are you ok? You seem to be harboring a lot of anger over there. It certainly is a prison sentence if I watch a game littered with mental errors. The physical mistakes I can deal with but the mental mistakes are inexcusable whether it be Michael Martinez or Carlos Ruiz.

Kinda tired hearing about the 2nd wc.

@Fat...I agree with you on Lidge. 2009 was a mess for Lidge but he never hid and he owned up to things. Pretty much how Mitch Williams is now a fan favorite I assume and hope that Lidge will get the same sentiment. I of course now that some people will hate him for all of his post 2008 shortcomings but I won't be included in that bunch.

The run may well be over. I don't think so, but we'll see.

But what I'm getting at is the abject anger I am seeing and hearing from the fans about this season. I really don't get it. Management and the players have more than earned a mulligan from us even if they weren't completely decimated by injuries.

Ironically, without the 2nd WC, we'd be 7 games out of a playoff spot (with 7 teams above us) and seriously looking at selling right now instead of being on the fence.

Fat,

That one line was hyperbole, I realize, but Joe posts a litany of negative/angry things each and every day.

Was just trying to better understand where he (and anyone else who feels similarly) is coming from, given the factors I've cited. No big deal either way.

I said this a few weeks back on here that the 2nd Wild Card is such a disaster and gives so many pretenders hope.

Ryan...what I'm most angry about is that I'm watching ball that is not even of high school level right now. Like I said, physical mistakes, injuries, ok I get it. But I'm seeing this team do any and everything to lose a game from a mental standpoint as well as a physical one. That shouldn't sit well with anyone.

The second Wild Card is a joke. To institute such a thing after the greatest final day of a regular season in MLB history ... pathetic. Not to mention its potential for ruining the excitement of the trade deadline. For these & a myriad other crimes against baseball, Bud Selig is on my "Worst People Ever" short list.

It doesn't sit well with me, either. I'm just seeing most of the mental mistakes coming from second- and third-stringers.

Victorino and Pence, as well, but that's always been a part of their games. Just as it is for two or three guys on any team, even the good/great ones. It just didn't stand out as much when they were in complementary roles.

One of my favorite things living in Boston and catching a lot of Sox games was watching Wakefield pitch out of the bullpen and his stretch as a closer in '99 for a few months in the summer.

I generally hate the addition of more playoff teams, as it simply makes the regular season less important. I almost refuse to watch regular season hockey, since it's pretty much meaningless. Unless you're a completely hopeless team, you're pretty much guaranteed to make the playoffs.

In basketball, letting in 16 teams is beyond stupid, since the bottom 8 teams have almost no chance of winning the title. You're basically asking your elite teams in basketball to go through a meaningless first round, where things like unnecessary injuries and fatigue can occur, thus weakening the later, more evenly matched rounds between teams that deserve to be in those positions (I'm thinking of what happened to Rose this year).

In baseball, you're going to get the same thing. Imagine a 91 win 1st WC team losing to an 85 team 2nd WC team, simply because the 1st WC team's ace had an off-day in the WC game. Is that fair in the least? not at all. A 91 win team has proven itself to be considerably better than an 85 win team, but it will get ousted because of 1 lousy game? Just doesn't sit well with me.

It's like Selig looked at the unfairness and crappiness of the 5-game division series and thought to himself "How can I make that not look as bad?! I got it! I'll institute a 2nd wild card!"

What is crazy about Dickey's knuckleball though is that he can hit 80-81 with it and still get a ton of movement.

Wakefield was always in the upper 60s and maxed out at 70 or so.

"In baseball, you're going to get the same thing. Imagine a 91 win 1st WC team losing to an 85 team 2nd WC team, simply because the 1st WC team's ace had an off-day in the WC game. Is that fair in the least? not at all. A 91 win team has proven itself to be considerably better than an 85 win team, but it will get ousted because of 1 lousy game? Just doesn't sit well with me."

Win the division or go home after 1 game possibly. I'm fine with that. In fact, for way too long WC cards have been getting rewarded for not winning their division.

MG, you're just moving the problem back a step. Now, instead of rewarding the team that didn't win their division, you're rewarding the team that didn't win the 1st WC. I'd rather there not be any WCs, and if they feel that good teams are constantly missing out on the playoffs (like Toronto), then realign the divisions. But anyone's season being forced to come down to 1 game, especially in baseball, is mind numbingly stupid.

Of course, not in football (with the 1 game stipulation)

Ryan~ The lineup is full of role players at this point. Read Phil Sheridan's column from This morning Inky. Makes a lot of sense. Especially the comments he makes about RAJ.

Right now, what we have is what we have. We all know the reasons for it. Injuries, high payroll, depleated farm system...

But I'll tell you what. To me the last 5 years were well worth it. I've been a phan for over 40 years and I can tell you seeing them hold that WC trophy (twice) was the best.

It's not that it's ending that bothers me, it's the way it's ending. I felt RAJ could have done more and everyone here knows my opinion on that. But in his defense, he was probably told not to spend more. While everyone knew about Howard's injury, Utley was also suspect. The injuries just snowballed from there.

But really the players (even the good ones) are making too many mistakes. Tough to overcome.

Ryan's take is a breath of fresh air on this site.

No one is questioning anyone's fanhood. This is the auto-response whenever anyone rightly points out that a good number of commenters here suffer from a severe lack of perspective regarding how difficult it is to win every year in the MLB, even if you have gone about things the right way (hint: it is impossible).

The organization hasn't just earned a 'mulligan.' They are going through something that happens to every franchise in professional sports. Even the Yankees and the Steelers and the Lakers (well, not so much the Lakers) have off years. When fans of those teams used to whine, we correctly pointed out that they have an entitlement complex.

Now we're whining and telling people not to question our fanhood.

Iceman, who cares if Yanks and Lakers fans wine when their teams are having down years? It's their right as fans. There is no correct way to be a fan. If you are basing your position on bad information (like claiming that Hamels was a bad pitcher in 2009, when, in reality, he was actually a league average pitcher), then you should be called out on that. But if you simply felt that he way underperformed, and that pisses you off, despite the fact that he just won a WS the year prior, you are entitled to feel that way. (Just using hamels 2009 as an example, because it's the first thing that came to my mind).

Ryan's post bothered me because he essentially said that it's better for him, an appreciative fan, to be at the game than for Joe D, a supposedly unappreciative fan, to be at the game.

For the record, I agree with Ryan in that this year's doldrums just don't aggravate me that much because of the last 5 years. But if they piss off certain fans, so what? let them feel about the team as they wish.

I think the Ryans of the world are the silent majority.

In the 107 seasons in which a World Series has been held, the Phillies have won 2. In 66 of those seasons the Phillies have finished w/ a losing record. Comparing the bitching & moaning done by Yankees fans during an (incredibly infrequent) "off-year" to that done by Phillies fans borders on insanity. Probably only fans of the Cubs & possibly Indians have more reason -- nay, right -- to complain than Phillies fans.

I believe that when the final chapter is written about the 2012 Phillies, its subtitle will be "A Tale of Two Seasons." The "first" season, through which most Phillies' fans, including myself, are suffering, has been an abject failure on every level: personnel misjudgments by RAJ; poor game-day managing by Uncle Chollie (which includes incompetent lineups, dreadful use of the bullpen especially Papelbon, and strategic errors galore); shoddy defense by "stars" and second-tier players alike; mental errors at the plate, on the basepaths, and in the field; and an historic lack of clutch hitting. The "second" season - for which a glimmer of hope, at least mathematically, still exists for a playoff berth - begins when Utley returns (presumably followed by the returns of Halladay and Howard, respectively). This is not to suggest that I am necessarily expecting a more successful 2nd half, but it will be the results of the performances of certain individuals and the team in general during this "2nd season" that will determine the immediate future of the club. I don't think the Phils should be either buyers or sellers at the trade deadline, with the following exceptions:
1. Trade Jim Thome IMMEDIATELY to an AL contending team (which at this point in the season can be just about any team) so he can be a "full-time" DH with the chance of a playoff appearance. His trade value is at its absolute highest right now this season; it would be great to get a major league-proven RH reliever but that seems unrealistic, so I'd take a legitimate prospect (and/or $$) in return.
2. Trade Shane Victorino. His best assets - passion and speed - seem to be either AWOL or noticeably waning. His defense has taken a small step backwards, too, in terms of his fielding range; he remains prone to mental errors in every phase of his game; and he can no longer hit effectively left-handed. IF someone high up in the organization could only convince him to start batting exclusively right-handed immediately, his statistics - and his trade value - would soar. But again being realistic, a reliever or prospect is about all we can hope for in return, given his impending free agency.

Fata- where is this Fan Constitution that lays out my rights for what I can and can't do or say as a fan?

Insofar as you and GTown and JoeD live in a free country, you are obviously entitled to feel how you want and say what you want. No one is saying you don't deserve those 'rights.'

Ryan, however, has the same right to call the stupid things you all say exactly what they are. It has nothing to do with taking away your rights as a 'fan.'

The biggest outrage with the WC's this year is that the winner of the WC playoff will HOST the top seed in each league! Coming into this season, I thought this would be a killer for the Phillies, but the way it's going, it may not matter. But imagine being the top seed, having to start on the road for 2, and you could be 0-2 coming home, facing elimination 3 straight games. How's that fair?? The calendar wasn't equipped for this schedule this season, but Selig just HAD to put it in this year. Couldn't wait one more season. The guy's such a jackass.

Um Iceman, read my posts again. It's you and Ryan who are insinuating that their some sort of "Fan Constitution", by calling out people who are angry about the current state of the team. I agree with Ryan's POV. I don't agree with him (and you) calling other people out for feeling differently. There is no "right" way to be a fan. When you ridicule people for feeling differently, you're insinuating that there is a "right" way to be a fan. I don't agree with that, at all.

GTown brought up a great point about how only 1.9% of Phillies seasons have ended in a WS championship, while 61.7% have ended in a losing season. If he wants to be upset about witnessing what may turn out to be yet another losing season, who the hell are you to tell him that he doesn't have "perspective" or "appreciation"? You want to cherish those sentiments, by all means. But GTown and Joe D don't have to, and that's also fine.

Fat,

So you wrote Joe's "prison sentence" statement off as hyberbole but took mine literally -- that I think I should get his tickets?

The easier/smarter decision would have been to simply go to a 7 game Divisional Series....but that would have been crazy talk.

Ryan: I can't speak for Joe, but you're welcome to buy mine. I'll sell 'em for exactly what I paid, face value.

Some people make it seem like you can't be angry and whine while still appreciating what they've done. Now that I don't get.

Joe D: "You can't complain about the cow patty on your plate tonight because you had steak last night!"

Some people make it seem like you can't be angry and whine while still appreciating what they've done. Now that I don't get.

Posted by: Joe D | Tuesday, June 19, 2012 at 01:37 PM

You sir put the P in the PPP.

Joe,

My point was the same people you rail against -- Amaro, namely -- are responsible for a lot of great baseball. And that the injuries are a much more reasonable explanation for the sudden dropoff. Just my opinion, and of course I recognize you're entitled to yours.

I'm still waiting for the list of teams that would be playing well with the Phillies' injuries. Or, what the front office should have done differently.

Weren't the Phillies the prohibitive favorites in Vegas and here on Beerleaguer, even with the Howard injury?

As to "the run" being over, correct me if I'm wrong, but I have the Phillies with about $45M to spend on a starting pitcher, third baseman, and center fielder next season.

The following year, Utley is probably gone ($15M), perhaps Hallady ($20M), decision time on Pence ($15M) and the luxury cap goes up ($11M).

If you fear that the Phillies ownership will react to declining interest this year and, perhaps, declining advanced ticket sales this winter by slashing the payroll, fine. But that strikes me as a wildly idiotic action in the face of the team's recently-earned prominence and the upcoming TV-deal negotiations.

It's gonna be fine, really.

I think the second wild card team slot most of the last 10 years or so would have been won by a team with 89 wins.

That's the same number as the 2007 NL East Champs, and a larger number than some recent division winners, like the 08 Dodgers, 07 Cubs, 06 Cards or Padres, etc

@Ryan...there is no doubt that the injuries have been borderline ridiculous this season. All teams deal with that though. I also get that they had to sell off a lot of pieces to obtain top notch talent in deadlines past. Now some of that top notch talent is underperforming. It happens. But let's be real...Amaro was handed the keys to a Ferrari and he's slowly working his way to making it a FIAT. And we don't need to open up the whole Utley can of worms again and who is at fault for his health situation and not knowing better where he stood. None of us knows the answer to that. And one thing the front office blatantly could have done differently was used Papelbon's money to form a more complete pen. I wanted Bastardo to close. I loathe the closer role in general and will never be one to advocate paying high $ and long years for it. I just can't get behind it. That's my opinion. The pen was not set coming into the year. Contreras was still 75 years old and Stutes was leaking oil last year before the season ended.

Joe D: "You can't complain about the cow patty on your plate tonight because you had steak last night!"

Hmm, yeah. No.

The analogy would be that the cook made a bunch of great steaks for you recently. Maybe, then, there's a more reasonable explanation for him serving the cow patty than him suddenly being unfit for duty.

In PPP-land, having Jason Knapp, Carlos Carrasco, Jason Donald, Lou Marson, Travis d'Arnaud, Kyle Drabek, Michael Taylor, Anthony Gose, Jonathan Villar, J.A. Happ, Jarred Cosart, Jonathan Singleton, Josh Zeid and Domingo Santana playing in the minor leagues and $50+ million in lower salary is better than a World Series appearance and 2 NL East titles.

Ryan, you are probably the best 3rd base option next year in free agency.

My point was the same people you rail against -- Amaro, namely -- are responsible for a lot of great baseball.

That's one way to look at it.

And as far as the Phillies having money to spend on a starting pitcher....does anyone think that they are going to revert back to their old mindset on starting pitching seeing Lee taking hot dumps every 5th day on the mound? And Doc's mileage piling up?

I have a feeling they are going to think a lot harder about deals over 3 years

Joe,

No, all teams do not go through what we've gone through injury wise. Still waiting to hear which one(s) would be playing well with ours...

I appreciate you giving me a specific example on Papelbon. Who would you have signed, though? And given the nature of the team, was it crazy to go into the spring with Papelbon, Contreras, Bastardo, Qualls, Stutes, and Herndon, with DeFratus and even Aumont in the wings? I didn't think so. In fact, it's the kind of approach the SABR crew has been begging for for years.

That's all you have to say about my 2013-onward post? That the 3B class is weak next year?

Alright, if you're serious about your "hot dumps" thing with Lee, I guess it's time for me to sign off.

Or is it that you're just joking around with, like, every post you make, and no one should call you on them?

Yeah dude Qualls had a lot of suitors this offseason, Herndon is a mopup guy and DeFratus and Aumont have done nothing at the major league level. And I already hit on Stutes and Contreras. I don't know what else was out there. I'm not the GM. I'm not the guy who immediately locked up all available money on a closer this offseason.

I think the losing is making everyone a little feverish and irrational.

Dylan Cozens is a strikeout away from a "Howard" in only his 2nd game!

Alright, if you're serious about your "hot dumps" thing with Lee, I guess it's time for me to sign off.

Or is it that you're just joking around with, like, every post you make, and no one should call you on them?

Posted by: Ryan

He's been downright bad lately. I get that he goes through white hot stretches and then gets knocked around. We will have to see if he gets on one of those historic stretches again. My point is still serious and remains. With what has been going on with the staff lately is it unreasonable to think the Phillies will no longer jump to give free agents (and in-house guys i.e. Hamels) deals longer than 3 years?

Who should the "Addition by Subtraction Bobby Abreu team award go to this year?
Who is the one player that should be shipped out, contract eaten, for the good of the team?
One name pops in my head immediately. A signing that will haunt the team for the next 2 1/2 years. I think the signing will ultimately end up being Amaros worst move-- but the huge salary, lousy attitude and feeble play means Rollins isn't going anywhere.
Seems like Charlie was giving him a negative shoutout Sunday...

I think the losing is making everyone a little feverish and irrational.

Posted by: Jbird

Probably true. Afterall it has been a while since any of us have been in this situation as fans. AND BELIEVE OR NOT I'M THANKFUL FOR THAT!!!!!!!

Nah Rollins will never be dealt for a myriad of reasons but what is really awesome is that he will continue to be feed at bats so his option kicks in thus making the deal even worse. I can't believe I wanted him back. That's one where my feelings got in the way.

Joe, that bullpen you're making fun of helped the team win 102 games last year (and did well in the playoffs). They added Papelbon to the mix at Lidge's yearly salary.

If you wrote posts bashing this approach back in January and foresaw half of them being hurt, good on ya. But I sure didn't.

As to the Phillies suddenly shying away from long-term deals... it's possible, I guess, but not a reasonable concern, in my view.

Again...it would be wildly idiotic for the ownership group to revert to 1998 because of one down season. They're finally seen as an elite team, or close to cementing that, and in line for billions of TV dollars. They're gonna keep acquiring good players, and to do that you have to commit long-term.

I'd dump Rollins in a heartbeat -- never would've re-signed him in the first place, actually -- but I think we all realize that's a Fantasy Land choice. Trade Vic for whatever can be had in return (perhaps a can of SPAM & an old shoe), & just DFA Qualls already. I don't care how hurt or incompetent the rest of the bullpen is, there's no excuse for keeping him here.

Joe, that bullpen you're making fun of helped the team win 102 games last year (and did well in the playoffs). They added Papelbon to the mix at Lidge's yearly salary.

If you wrote posts bashing this approach back in January and foresaw half of them being hurt, good on ya. But I sure didn't.

Posted by: Ryan
The staff was much better last year. Was it not? S*** rolls downhill my man. I wasn't posting here in January but I can say without absolute certainty I can scour the internet for posts by me advocating Bastardo as the closer and spreading the money elsewhere.

Another comment about Rollins having a 'bad attitude.'

According to Fata, the person that said this is allowed to say whatever crap he wants because he's a 'fan,' and can't be rightly called an idiot.

The second wild card should be a motivating factor to sell whomever they can for whatever AA/AAA legitimate prospects that can be had. More buyers are in the mix with an extra playoff spot than in previous years. One would think that the more buyers are in the room, the higher the price will be.

Instead, the second wild card seems to be motivating Amaro (and many fans) to ride out the season and hope that Utley and Howard hobble back to town and save the day.

Folks, the easy part of our schedule is behind us and we're in the cellar. It's over. They have a legitimate shot in 2013 if they play 2012 correctly.

I'd rather a humble approach to this season to build toward the future than an arrogant insistance that we're contenders this season that will cost this team any realistic shot at contending for the forseeable future.

Take a look at the contracts on the books and the prospects on the farm. This is THE LAST opportunity that we'll have for a very long time to make a meaningful trade to benefit this team...as a buyer or a seller.

It's now or never.

Worst thread ever?

By the way, Rollins is going nowhere for two reasons:

1. He is the face of the franchise, for better or for worse.

2. Nobody wants him. If they weren't willing to pony up the money when he was a free agent, what makes anyone believe that a team exists who will be willing to pay out the remainder of his contract AND give up a prospect?

donc: Can't possibly be. In my opinion any thread which doesn't contain a debate on race &/or politics has been a glorious success.

"I can scour the internet for posts by me advocating Bastardo as the closer and spreading the money elsewhere."

I believe you. But the bullpen would have still been a mess. That's asking a lot of Bastardo, a guy who's had some shaky spells in recent years and just knocked himself out with a Nautilus. Does he save all 16 that Pap has? And who's your eighth-inning guy? Or were you gonna be able to pick the exact three relievers on $3-5M year deals who would have great 2012s?

Papelbon's money isn't the team's problem. Injuries are. Period end of story. I know it's weak or trite or whatever to blame injuries, but it's the truth this time.

Last 10 years or so the Phils have been a good/ very good franchise especially since they signed Thome & moved into CBP. No real complaints here.

Cozens hits a homerun in his 2nd game. The pharm is saved!

It's early yet, Dave. I'm outta here. I'm going down to the playground to watch em really get after it in the sandbox.

"I can scour the internet for posts by me advocating Bastardo as the closer and spreading the money elsewhere."

I believe you. But the bullpen would have still been a mess. That's asking a lot of Bastardo, a guy who's had some shaky spells in recent years and just knocked himself out with a Nautilus. Does he save all 16 that Pap has? And who's your eighth-inning guy? Or were you gonna be able to pick the exact three relievers on $3-5M year deals who would have great 2012s?

Papelbon's money isn't the team's problem. Injuries are. Period end of story. I know it's weak or trite or whatever to blame injuries, but it's the truth this time.

Posted by: Ryan

How can you say injuries are the be-all end-all to this season? This team has had leads and blown them. Sure some of that falls on the starters but mostly it has been the pen.

The fact that Bastardo is breaking his face on things tells me the man is ready to be a closer.

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