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Friday, May 11, 2012

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NEPP -

1) If you think not signing Hamels would be "the biggest" mistake in Phillies history, you haven't been paying attention to Phillies history. That list is long and storied.

2) Given the Phillies options at 3B why would you feel obliged to stick Youk in left?

Someone listen to this and tell me what he said.
Ryan Howard Podcast:
http://www.ryanhoward6.com/6minutes/podcast/reporting-clearwater
Thanks

***If you think not signing Hamels would be "the biggest" mistake in Phillies history, you haven't been paying attention to Phillies history. That list is long and storied.***

He's the best home grown pitcher we've had since RR retired...losing him would be a massive blow.

***Given the Phillies options at 3B why would you feel obliged to stick Youk in left? ***

That was in response to the people that werer saying he couldn't physically handle the rigors of 3B anymore. My thought was that he could probably play a passable LF given the lower bar there.

In a perverse way, I'm looking forward to the 13-3 streak* the Phillies are destined to go on after trading Cole Hamels and the corresponding nuclear debate about if he was really a clubhouse cancer.


*that ends up still having them miss the playoff, but whatever.

nepp/bbeard: disagree, and obviously i'm going off as much 'info' as anyone here

I think Utley is on borrowed time, meaning that his knees are unfixable and he's only got so much wear/tear on them he is done. Instead of using that usage on them now, he's simply trying to maximize the usage he can get out them by waiting until later in the season/playoffs.

I think he'll come back this year and then do the same stuff next year as well, playing a total of like ~100 games total.

And as for that old bitch BAP talked to, go buy a 1 story house then.

I apologize if I missed it, but why is everyone writing off Utley for the season (again)? Has something been mentioned about a setback, or is it just the lack of a defined time table and RAJ's "seller" comments?

Someone mentioned it a few days ago, but is it entirely out of the realm of possibility that if it's just fielding grounders that aggravates Chase's knee(s), why not consider moving him to LF/DH and just get whatever the hell you can get out of him this year? And I think it's well documented that a "shut him down this year to prep for next year" mentality is an exercise in futility. He won't be any better next year (or the year after, or the year after that....).

I'm pretty sure reports were Utley was supposed to be in Clearwater last week, but now the reports he tried to field grounders, but couldn't. I'm technically not a doctor, but that doesn't sound good.

Sometimes, you gotta realize its not your year and start to think about the future.

This team isn't winning a WFC, even its completely healthy (which it never will be). Maybe they can still scrape into the playoffs and lose again in the NLDS. But that would be a best-case scenario.

Its a tricky proposition that Rube may have to try and pull off. Rebuild/replenish the minor league system while staying competitive. This might be the year to try and pull it off. Otherwise, the snowball is going to continue to trundle down the hill the wrong way.

If we can make the proper moves, we can be right back in the WFC hunt in 2013. But there is really no need to try and hang on hope for 2012. Its not happening in 2012. Luckily for us, we are all figuring it out early on in the process and not in July or August, when it could be too late to do anything.

Nobody likes to give up on a season. And this team can still be competitive, even if moves are made. But sometimes you have to see the bigger picture and think about still being good in 2013 and 2014 and 2015.

*** apologize if I missed it, but why is everyone writing off Utley for the season (again)? Has something been mentioned about a setback, or is it just the lack of a defined time table and RAJ's "seller" comments?***

There's a link on the right that goes to a CSN Philly interview where Chase talks about his recovery. Basically, nothing has changed and he still cant field the ball without immediate pain.

That's a pretty bad sign for someone with his condition. For "Most people" rest and rehab take care of it and they can go on with physical activity after all that...Chase doesnt really seem to be getting any better than before.

Ok I'm listening now. He's taking BP, listening to Meek Mills, hitting bombs, just saw teh Avengers, not thinking about his leg, he has a puppy but no word if he puts it in a backback. He watches the Phillies on his computer because FLA cable sucks. Says there are a lot of games to be played and 5 games is nothing.

Surprised Howard admitted to watching the Phils.

5 games is nothing. Phillies have been in worse spots later in the season. All this trade speculation is really dependent on if Howard and Utley return. If Howard returns to form and Utley doesn't, then you can maybe look at bolstering the lineup with a trade. If Howard comes back and struggles and Utley doesn't come back at all, then you need to start planning for 2013.

Phillies teams of the past few years have been in similar or worse spots and have overcome. The 2012 Phillies are a much different team.

This is not the same team that won 102 games last year.

This move just strikes me though as a way for Amaro to attempt to motivate some of the veterans on this team. No way that anyone but Amaro/Phils' FO leaked this story on purpose.

Basically Amaro was disgusted by what he saw in the Mets series, realized that there was a possibility things might slip away over the next few weeks before Utley/Howard get back, and decided to threw down the gauntlet & really shake up things by making several roster moves.

The only risk though is that this kind of psychological move can only be really played once as a true motivator. Otherwise, it kind of rings hollow.

It can also backfire too as the vets on the team (especially the impending FAs) tune out the GM & the manager because they know there is a very strong possibility they will be elsewhere next year.

Basically Amaro threw down the gauntlet. Time to see if the Phils can respond against some of the weakest teams in the NL including playing 5 of the next 7.

If the Phils can't manage a winning stretch through next stretch, they are in trouble because they won't manage to go better than .500 over any 10-game stretch. Basically a litmus test for this team.

Phils record

3-5-2 in series this year including 2-3 vs NL East.

I am still far from 'giving up on the season' but the Phils are just 4-4 against Cubs/Padres (24-39 .417) and have played just the 21st-toughest schedule (.489 winning pct of opponents) in MLB.

If the Phils can have a winning stretch over the next week, they are indeed among the bottom feeders in the NL with the Cubs/Padres.

dennyb: "Sometimes, you gotta realize its not your year and start to think about the future."

Yes you are right. If you think May 11 qualifies as "sometime", then your wrong.

bap: If she loved the home & location, she could always install a chair lift or elevator. To help with your pessimism, did you know that cul-de-sac originally meant "bottom of the barrel"?

"Phillies teams of the past few years have been in similar or worse spots and have overcome."

No they haven't. Not with Utley/Howard out for a while yet, a few other guys already on the DL, the strong likelihood that Nix/Qualls might be joining them today, and a few other guys who are banged up.

The Toronto speculation could've come from RAJ, but it just says "Major league sources" have said Toronto has already contacted the Phils, but they contact teams about players often.

Just saw the Utley stuff on CSN. I share some of the concerns of most posters here, and I agree with Salisbury, if he's not on the field in even a minor competitive capacity in the next week or so, it's time to cut bait on any hope for this season (though, I'd go so far as to question how realistic next season, or any after that would be).

Though, to be honest, the scariest part of the videos was the momentary glimpse of Mini-Mart in the background, in his own rehab. Sent chills down my spine.

"To help with your pessimism, did you know that cul-de-sac originally meant "bottom of the barrel"?"

I did not know. So we could say, "With the call-ups of Raul Valdes and Hector Luna, RAJ is mining the cul-de-sac for help."

MG: what the hell are you talking about? The Phillies were not only further back in July 2010, but they had Utley, Ruiz, and Victorino all on the DL at the same time, and then even Howard on the DL in August. They also just got Rollins back from the DL who played like dogshit the remainder of the year.

"And as for that old bitch BAP talked to, go buy a 1 story house then."

She was actually very nice. Too bad she didn't buy the place. Now I'll probably end up with a serial killer for a neighbor.

Having a serial killer next door is what you want. They don't kill their neighbors-they are the ones saying "he seemed nice" "was so quiet".

BB beat me to it...I was just about to say that serial killers are typically well regarded as neighbors.

b_a_p: Aside from the occasional awful stench during the Summer months, you ought to be fine. Serial killers don't often target their neighbors. Besides which, you can always blame the smell on the Phillies.

Ok, I guess the serial killer was a bad example. Let me change it to: I could end up with a Mets fan for a neighbor.

Ill trade Cole for Mike Schmidt and Steve Bedrosian. And a prospect to be named later Von Hayes. Thank you very much..

Yeah stick a fork in the man. He's cooked. Shame too dominated and redefined the way teams look at second basemen.

I have a feeling laid back California boy Cole Hamels (though a fierce competitor) wants to return home to southern California. I don't see him re-signing here if either the Dodgers or Angels pursue him.

Cole Hamels loves California so much that he resides in Philadelphia all year round. He has never said he wants to return to California. The next time he says he yearns to go back to California will be the first time! That being said, he will not be with the Phillies in 2013. Frankly I don't know what team he will pitch for but it won't be Philadelphia.

Dick Allen could hit better drunk than most guys on steroids .......

How about we trade Lee and keep the money to sign Hamels ?

The only thing that makes someone more of a childish d-bag than making a "special needs" joke is doing it to provoke a response... and saying so. Also actively cultivating a class-clown "personality" on a baseball blog.

Ruben better not sell/trade my Shane Victorino. I team cannot win all the time, other teams have to have chances too.

The latest on Hamels http://goo.gl/oPv5V

i would consider trading cole hamils,to the dodgers for matt kemp. or the rangers for josh hamilton,nothing less.

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