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Tuesday, May 15, 2012

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As Joaquin Andujar said, "There is one word in America that says it all, and that one word is, 'You never know.'

PhilliesNation: Jake Diekman throws 1 1/3 innings and has more victories than Cliff Lee. Don't tell me that's baseball, that's bulls--t!

Agreed.

I can't wait to make my new t-shirt

Pence:Victorino::T-Mac:Wheels

pumped for the replay tonight, I hope the camera gets a good shot of Myers walking back to the dugout after giving up a bomb to lose the game.

pumped for the replay tonight, I hope the camera gets a good shot of Myers walking back to the dugout after giving up a bomb to lose the game.

Posted by: lorecore

It does and I guarantee he is fuming about the park as being the reason why the ball went out.

Re: Qualls/Baez similarities - at least Qualls is only signed for one year. We had to suffer 1 1/2 years of Baez stinking up the joint before Rube finally got wise and released his cooked behind.

Cholly smartly not saying anything about Davidson and the argument & ejection in the post-game.

Cholly knows that 'Balkin Bob is an a horse's a$$ and how way too often becomes a focal point of what is occurring in the game. No need to publicly say what baseball fans already know.

and yes, i made a brett myers beats his wife joke last thread.

First 3 game win streak & first extra inning win of the season for the Phillies.


"It's like the team was embarassed that it came to that. As they should be.

Posted by: Jack "


I thought the same thing.


lorecore, its ok. That being I said, I have this picture of Mrs Myers going all Julia Roberts "Sleeping with the Enemy" right now.

Qualls is having a rough month. That's the 3rd lead & blown save he has had already this month.

In his defense, I think Qualls is pitching hurt with a bad left knee. He just isn't on the DL because of all of the issues/injuries the Phils already have in the bullpen.

lorecore: It's a good thing no one here would ever use off-color humor as an excuse to go on a morality rant ...

Awww, crap.

Someone on the last thread said SAvery was beig recalled. For Qualls?

MG: Qualls last appearance was solid and had the tv idiots boasting that some mechanical issue was the problem for his previous struggles, which he corrected and therefore would return to his form back in the first few outings of the season.

Why Savery? You mean Diekmann doesn't have any male relatives that aren't busy?

Minor Question: why wasn't Qualls charged with 1ER instead of 2?

In the past 24 hours I have watched 2 Philadelphia teams win games that I thought for sure would be losses, especially late. Maybe I should parlay this into a trip to Harrah's Chester on my way home?

In other news, Stephen Strasburg, the "ace-of-aces", proved he was human today giving up 4 runs in 4 IP to that offensive juggernaught, the Padres.


Repeat 3 times, while clicking your ruby slippers together:

"Baseball is a funny game."

50fan, because the first run would have scored regardless of the error since the next batter hit a 2B. Also if Pence's error was on a potential 3rd out and not just a bobbled single, then he would have been given 0 ER.

JRide- Call his relatives in Nebraska & check

actually, erase my last sentence, Pence's error was after the first run scored.

Qualls sucks. That's it. Qualls sucks.

lee has 25 million reasons to get over not winning today.

As for the bullpen, they have been just snake bit.

Stutes hurt. Herndon hurt. De Fratus hurt. Aumont struggling & been battling back issues. Qualls now hurt. Schwimer turtled.

Maybe you can criticize for Amaro for not signing another veteran arm but he did add Qualls and the FA reliever market this year was underwhelming.

I will say though that the 'surplus of bullpen arms' the Phils had was greatly exaggerated. The Phils had two arms in the minors going into the year who might be anything more than average relievers - De Fratus and Aumont. That's it.

Guys like Herndon/Stutes/Schwimer are nothing more than marginal relievers who at best give you average stats.

Not a lot of answers internally either. Pretty much have called up everyone from Lehigh already including Diekman and Valdes. Maybe they take a look at Rosenberg at some point if he continues to pitch well at Lehigh. That would just be a sheer desperation move.

I wonder what's the lowest ERA ever posted by a guy who pitched 200 innings & won 0 games.

Step One in the Phils' return to contention: getting Cliff Lee back in the rotation and returning KK to the BP.

Qualls is a serviceable reliever. He has just got pressed into a role as a setup man/closer that isn't suited for at this point.

I wonder what's the lowest ERA ever posted by a guy who pitched 200 innings & won 0 games.

Posted by: bay_area_phan

I'm sure Stark will let us know soon.

pence gives and pence taking away

Posted by: lets eat | Tuesday, May 15, 2012 at 04:13 PM

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Hey JasonW ;
Love the title of this post game's Blog :)

This is a horribly flawed team right now. Great starting pitcher. Great closer. Most nights they have good defense although it depends on the lineup.

Everywhere else they are below average-terrible including the rest of the bullpen, lineup, on the basepaths, and the positional players bench late in games.

Its been fascinating & frustrating to watch this team that team Amaro has created.
Going to be much more of the same until Utley/Howard get back and at the earliest that is late June.

Can't tell if Pence was pissed off or embarrassed when rounding the bases

Step Two in the Phils' return to contention: fixing the BP.

I doubt Utley is coming back - or if so very late in the season

Step Three in the Phils' return to contention: nothing.

Pence is now 6th in NL with 9 HRs and on pace to hit 39. 25 RBIs now tied for t-8th in NL.

This is a horribly flawed team right now. Great starting pitcher. Great closer. Most nights they have good defense although it depends on the lineup.

Everywhere else they are below average-terrible including the rest of the bullpen, lineup, on the basepaths, and the positional players bench late in games.

Its been fascinating & frustrating to watch this team that team Amaro has created.
Going to be much more of the same until Utley/Howard get back and at the earliest that is late June.

Posted by: MG

I know. The fact they are a game under .500 is a minor miracle. Based on eye test alone this team is more like a 6 or 7 game under .500 team.

We should consider ourselves lucky.

Salisbury: Vance Worley will not pitch tomorrow. Has some arm soreness. Getting it checked.

More good news.

step 3: everybody wears stirrups and sanitaries.

Bottalico is dead right. Umpires have to stop taking off their masks and goading managers to get tossed.

Great shot of Davidson smiling like an idiot and laughing after he tossed Cholly.

is de fratus due back anytime soon?

I believe Qualls now has the team lead in Meltdowns at 4. (Runners up: Tony Bastard, Contreras, and Schwimmer with 3 apiece.) I realize I just named most of the Phillies bullpen there, but how much longer are we going to suffer with Qualls as our first non-Papelbon option out of the pen? At least Bastardo strikes people out.

wes - No. He was put on the 60-day DL with his right elbow. Likely done this year.

Salisbury: Vance Worley will not pitch tomorrow. Has some arm soreness. Getting it checked.

More good news.

Posted by: GTown_Dave

Oh wonderful.

So now who starts tomorrow? KK? Oh, joy.

thanks, mg. i assume they're holding off on surgery for the time being?

Well it was a nice winning streak

wes - Yes. I didn't hear he was scheduled for any surgery.

Looks like we can look forward to more threads filled with KK arguments if he goes back into the rotation.

Yep, KK tomorrow. What's the forecast in Chicago look like? Any chance of rain?

Pence's jerky,erratic ,unstable, almost big dog like motions and movements are going to cause him to have mishaps like today. When you react and move like he does every once in a while bad things are going to happen. MG i do agree i also though the Phils where over loaded with bullpen pitchers. I think too much was riding on Contreras to get back to form. If Contreras doesnt and with Bastardo questionable health and longevity concerns this can be a big problem with the Phils.

@bap -- no one has pitched more than 117.1 innings without recording one win. Unless I've screwed up the Play Index (which is likely).

And only one guy has pitched more than 200 innings with just one victory. Jack Nabors. 1916 Philadelphia Athletics.

1-21 3.47 ERA That was 1/36th of the 36 victories for the A's that year. Take that Carlton.

Tomorrow feels like a loss.

Hacker attacked that Myers pitch like it was a Liscio roll filled with his favorite coldcuts.

hopefully - its not savery... i agree with ricky bo, they need to bring an arm from LV thatis stretched out -- like Elarton.

Could he be any worse then KK?
Hope Worley isnt hurt too badly..

Got to wonder why Diek didn't start the 9th if he was good enough to enter in such a pressure situation.
Get Friend to LV.

Vance Worley out tomorrow - something with his arm.

Elarton is 36, hasn't pitched in the majors since 2008, and has a career ERA of 5.29, which includes single-season ERAs of 7.06, 6.27, 5.90, 5.34, and 10.46.

They're WAY better off with Kendrick -- horrible numbers notwithstanding. He did, after all, pitch passably well in 2 out of his 3 starts.

interesting that kendrick and blanton both have career winning percentages above .500, unlike the overpaid matt cain.

My 82 year old father says Hunter Pence looks like he's "on the dope". That's as good an explanation as any.

it's for his glaucoma.

Check out the definition of quall on urban dictionary. Pretty fitting.

BAP- I know about ELarton - but, you also said the same thing the other day- that Diekman wasn't prepared for a hi stress ML situation - and yet he's successful...

In comparison to KK, how bad could SE be?
Either pitcher probably both end up losing the game..

This start, then BP, then start, then BP - KK is going to be really messed up..

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Lee with some very classy remarks post-game. he is definitely not the kind of personality that would punch a wall.

KK is a quall.

I've really enjoyed Hunter being on the team since we got him last year and still do, despite his boneheadedness. It's been painful to watch him screw up so much recently, and he certainly deserves what he gets as far as the fans' reactions.

That being said, Lee having no wins right now is killing me. Sure, objectively it's a bogus stat, but when someone is pitching that well and doesn't have that fuel to add to the fire come Cy Young voting time... I'll remain optimistic that he will continue to be as effective and the rest of the team will somehow step it up, getting him those extra numbers.

SO They Are calling up Savery..so is it safe to conclude that Worley is going to the DL.

Serious question: Why is everyone so concerned with the individual stats of a pitcher, expecially a stat that we've determined to be meaningless?

"In other news, Stephen Strasburg, the "ace-of-aces", proved he was human today giving up 4 runs in 4 IP to that offensive juggernaught, the Padres."

Apparently, Davey Johnson is saying that Strasburg's poor outing wasn't his fault:

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/15/sounds-like-someone-put-icy-hot-in-stephen-strasburgs-jock/

Also if an offensive player were to complain that a teamate's baserunning blunder or a scoring decision robbed him of a hit or rbi, he'd be killed for being selfish.

@Colorado -- That's exactly how the Nerds got revenge against Stan Gable and the rest of the Adams Atoms! Icy Hot in the Jocks! Classic!

YO Nats are a joke.

LE: I didn't say that Diekman wasn't prepared to pitch in a high-leverage moment. I just said that he had no track record to warrant being thrown into a setup role over Bastardo -- which, as I recall, is what you were advocating.

In any case, Elarton is a totally separate subject. What basis do you have for believing that a 36-year old pitcher, with a 5.29 ERA, who hasn't pitched a single major league inning in 4 years, would give the team a better chance to win than a guy with a 38-29 record, and 4.55 career ERA as a starter?

Serious question: Why is everyone so concerned with the individual stats of a pitcher, expecially a stat that we've determined to be meaningless?

Posted by: gobaystars! | Tuesday, May 15, 2012 at 05:52 PM

This is quintessential BL. ONE person makes a comment and then all of a sudden, it's "everyone" saying it.

My total lack of faith in Qualls got justified today.

A co-worker asked me, "Why didn't they pitch Papelbon?" My response was, "Because Foghead used him last night in a non-save situation." At least we won.

Fair enough. My mistake. Why is anyone...

"At least we won."

Both nights.

Re: Closers pitching in tie games on the road.

“Honestly, I’ve been around and I’ve closed before and coming into a tie ballgame on the road, I was prepared but I don’t know; it just baffled me a little bit. But I just go out there and do my job. That’s all I can do. When called upon, just go out there and do it.”-Brett Myer
http://www.astroscounty.com/2012/05/brett-myers-was-baffled-by-mills-usage.html?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=br_houastros

Straight from the horse's arse.

Serious question: Why is everyone so concerned with the individual stats of a pitcher, especially a stat that we've determined to be meaningless?

Posted by: gobaystars! | Tuesday, May 15, 2012 at 05:52 PM

For me it's all about the Cy voting. Maybe I'm misjudging the voters' reliance on the stat, but f Lee kills it all year and gets bumped off because the other guy has 21 wins...

And while I'm on the topic of horse's arses...
http://deadspin.com/5910569/curt-schillings-video-game-company-might-cost-taxpayers-112-million
Total fraud and typical "small gov unless I benefit from it" B.S. Can't stand anything about this guy.

YES -bap - th reason-

KK is not stretched out past 5 innings, which means back to stressing out the BP, for nearly 1/2 the game...

And yes, imho, these are comparable situations

Elarton- Based on what I read, he is in the best physical condition in years..and it is showing in his work with LV..

I don't think you can compare what the pitcher has done years ago with the pitcher he is now...

Will he be successful? Who knows? but the same theory -I felt about Diekman; it may not be the ideal situation to use him, but;
you have to; as you may not, or don;t have any other alternatives.

here is a post from CSN- I thought from CSN RE: KK v. Elarton:

tony454tiger 27 minutes ago
I'd like to see Scott Eralton get a shot in a call up. Savory has had a chance. I see Scott is 4-1 with a 2.39 era. Lets give him a spot start. But I do feel KK has earned his right to come back and try and show he's still got it. Make up for his last poor outing. Poor kid is like a yo-yo. So call up Eralton and if Kendrick gets in trouble bring Eralton in.
If they can sweep the Cubs then a 5 game win streak is a ligit win streak.
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With the bullpen giving such poor results, I wonder what results signing Roy Oswalt for the rest of the year only would yeild. Last year the second time through the lineup is when he had trouble. It seems as though he might be able to give the team one or two innings every two to three days. Is it worth a shot and would he agree to work out of the pen given he has no takers as a starter?

LE: If Elarton were 32, I might be inclined to say, "Let's not judge him on past performance." But pitchers do not suddenly improve by leaps and bounds at age 36. And his peripherals, including paltry strikeout totals and a terrible ground ball ratio, tell me that he has NOT improved. He was, and always will be, a terrible major league pitcher.

As for KK not being stretched out . . . he threw 85 pitches 11 days ago, and another 85 five days before that. Last time out, he threw 30 in a bullpen role. He's essentially in the exact same pitcher as a starting pitcher who gets knocked out of the game (or removed after a rain delay) after a bad inning or two, then doesn't pitch again until his next start, 5 or 6 days later. That happens all the time and no one ever frets about the pitcher being inadequately stretched out for his next start.

Lost in the (justifiable) annoyance at Pence's bobbling of that Martinez single is the fact that Bogusevic would have scored anyway on Castro's follow-up double had he been held at third. Had Pence botched a chance to get the third out, it would have been really unforgivable, but as it was he just helped them score one batter earlier. The real goat of this game is not Pence or even Qualls, but whoever (Dubee? a holographic projection of Charlie from the clubhouse?) put in Qualls instead of Diekman in the ninth. Of course, it would also have been nice had Cholly not burned Pap last night and had him available for today.

Also: even if KK is NOT stretched out past 5 or 6 innings, neither is Elarton. He hasn't pitched more than 6 innings in a single AAA game this year.

This is a no-brainer. The whole reason KK is on the team is for situations like these. You don't suddenly get zany & go with some 36-year old guy who hasn't pitched a major league game in 4 years & was terrible when he did.

While widely (and understandably) ignored, after Cliff wen on the DL, I posted my belief that Kendrick has a Voodoo doll. Research it - everytime he's been relegated to the bullpen, or been at risk (in previous seasons) of being sent down, a starter gets hurt. Today's news about Worley just convinces me even more.

Brett Myers - Still a loser. Still making excuses for stuff that is completely his fault.

Some team is going to overpay for him at the trading deadline needing bullpen help & sorely regret it.

Pedro 2009=Roy 2012

I don't understand the sudden solicitude for Kendrick. He's not a starter. He's not a reliever. He's teh farging SWINGMAN. He's getting paid well to do it because he's shown he has value in the role. It's a GD no-brainer that he starts tomorrow.

Garza is starting for the Cubs' anyways. Taking a 'L' tomorrow and just hope that KK can give them 5 without having to empty out the bullpen.

I disagree maybe its watching Uncle C manage for last few years you have to go with the Vet. Now if it was say a 4 run lead, then i can see Diekman making his first MLB appearance.

Has the Gnats GM blamed Hamels for putting the "Hot Stuff" in Strasburg's jock yet??

I dislike Myers alot. But, we could use his arm in the pen (if not his salary). Bullpen is a huge issue for 2012.

Bullpen pieces are probably even going to be tougher to come by at the trading deadline than starters. Lots and lots of teams looking already. Probably add the Phils to that list too.

I got nothing to do with this, the test came back clear and I haven't been with his wife yet. Oh...yeah, I don't know how that got there either (regarding the "Hot Stuff").

"This is the second most gutless chickensh8t stuff I have ever seen in 170 years of baseball." (regarding Hot Stuff)"

Sounds like Strasburg's junk is fake tough.

I never thought I would ever say this but no way do you trade Blanton for Youk. You wait until his first hot weather start and see if he can get through the 4th first.

Phils are given up 142 runs, scored 142 runs.

Run differential places them #7 right now in the NL.

Only team they trail is the Astros (+1) which won't last long (top 10 in the NL).

Cards +65
Dodgers +36
Braves +32
Nats +13
Reds +6
Astros +1
Phils 0
Fish -1
Giants -4
Mets -15

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