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Face it, there are about 15 guys on our 25 man roster who couldn't make the Braves 40 man roster.

If Duncan can't get anything out of Romero, he is officially done. Too bad, because he helped get us over the hump.

Their starting rotation is pretty crappy outside of Beachy...who is pitching out of his mind right now.

Swing & miss (from start of 2011):

NL Starters:

1. Cole Hamels’ changeup

Hamels is currently taking a lot of heat for his actions concerning Nationals phenom Bryce Harper, but that doesn’t take away from his repertoire on the mound. The 27-year-old California native has dropped his off-speed pitch on hitters at a mind-boggling whiff rate of 50.12 percent since the start of 2011 (926 times thrown).

This sort of weaponry hasn’t hurt Hamels’ numbers (in a contract year, no less), as he is 4-1 over 40.1 innings pitched, and sports a 2.45 ERA. He’s upped his K/9 rate from 2011’s 8.1 to 9.8 so far this year as well."

Looked at the Excel spreadsheet in the article and the Phils are well represented:

NL Starters & Pitch

7. Halladay's curve (43.3%)
19. Halladay's split (39.7%)

Halladay's numbers so far are a bit down from last year on each pitch although a small sample size.

NL Relievers & Pitch

8. Bastardo's slider (49.3%)

Venters' slider is the No. 1 pitch in baseball at an absurd 69.1%.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/what-is-the-best-swing-and-miss-pitch-in-baseball-right-now/

Duncan isn't even with the Cardinals right now...he's been on extended personal leave.

Craig Kimbrel has 190 SO in 110.2 IP for his career.

How ridiculous is that?

Mitch says Phils have 0% chance of resigning cole. Send him to LAA for a package with Trumbo,asap.

Trumbo?!? I think we can do better than that.

curt - Duncan retired. Lilliquist is the Cards' pitching coach this year.

I would be really surprised if the Phils reach out to Romero. LH reliever isn't a need right now & he's done.

Romero's been ineffective-to-terrible since he came off his suspension in '09 but still made another $11.5M since then.

It's good to be a LOOGY.

No thanks on Trumbo. Give me South Jersey's own Mike Trout and send Shane packing.

@MG...thanks for the HBT article link.

Just...ugh...

"awh: True. I have no doubt that the Phillies are now sure to catch the Nats, because the Nats are now weak at backup C, while the Phillies can trot out Brian Schneider every 6th day.

That's the sort of advantage that swings a divisional race, you know?

Posted by: Jack"


Jack, that's the kind of bloviating that reminds of Mike Rizzo. But that's OK. If you want to engage in that type ridiculous overstatement of someone else's post, knock yourself out.

That's a big loss for the Cards. The guy was more valuable than LaRussa.

Kimbrel/Venters are the best 1-2 in a baseball bullpen right now and it isn't even close.

Venters hasn't been quite as dominating though this year.

Also interesting to note that Kimbrel/Venters use is way down early on.

Venters has only thrown 12 2/3 and is on pace to throw 56 2/3 IP. Well below the last year when he was at 83 and 88 IP respectively.

Ditto Kimbrel. He's on pace to only throw 60 IP. Well down form 77 IP last year.

I wonder if someone in the Braves' FO this offseason sat down with Fredi and gave him a tongue-lashing about watching the wear & tear on his bullpen arms especially Kimbrel/Venters. Sure seems like it.

MG, it appears Gonzalez may have learned from last season, when the back-end of his bullpen ran out of gas in September.

Hmmmm, a manager that learns from his mistakes?

Yeah imagine that awh.

I was fuming yesterday when Wheeler was talking about how the guys in the Phillies pen weren't taking care of their roles. Ah I love it...roles. So dumb.

I think Joe D's right. Juan Pierre's .384 BAbip is absolutely sustainable, and portends that he'll be a .351 hitter the rest of the season. No reason to think that'll come back to Earth.

FWIW, Juan Pierre is basically the same player he was the last two season. Walk rate is right in line with where it was the last couple year. Strikeout rate is actually a tad higher, but close enough. Power is still, as always, deplorably low.

Only legitimate difference between him this year and the last couple years is hiw bunt-hit-percentage and his BAbip. Once these normalize, there's no reason to expect him to be anything more than the poor hitter he was last year. Moving him to the leadoff spot is a tacit admission that you think these anomalies will continue going forward, when we should expect that they will not.

For all of the talk about the Nats' young talent, the Braves' actually have more of it. The only thing that has really been holding them back from just taking over the NL East again has been their corp parent (Liberty Media).

Still don't understand why a publicly-traded company like Liberty which has to hit quarterly earnings targets didn't divest the Braves already. Makes no sense for several reasons.

Opening day payroll was at $93M (using Cot's) and basically hasn't increased in over a decade. Forced the Braves to completely sit out the FA market this year.

You imagine what would have happened if the Braves had been sold say in 2008 or 2009 to a private group that would have been more willing to spend a bit more.

My bet is that they win the NL East pennant in 2010 and currently would have a strangehold on his division if their payroll was at say $110-$120M or so.

Um...Fatalotti. I said that he WILL regress. But for now Pierre should be leading off. On a team full of stiffs you damn well better ride one while they are hot and if Jimmy wants to get all pouty then f him.

Just going to note one of my pet peeves of sports journalism: The Braves aren't doing anything "quietly." They are not playing baseball games in a sneaky way, a humble way, an under-the-radar way, or anything that term could imply. The media, which includes Weitzel, are imposing a description ("quiet") of an external event (the Braves' divisional lead) that arises solely from their own decisions about how to describe that event (giving it low priority relative to other news). The same applies when a pitcher "quietly" puts in a quality start, a hitter "quietly" achieves a high OBP, etc. The term is vacuous and self-defining.

I should say that Weitzel is a really good sportswriter, better than a lot of the beat journalists out there, and this complaint is much more about other, lazier writers than he.

Joe D, he's only "hot" if you think that his high BAbip will continue going forward. I don't.

To your larger point, there probably isn't a good candidate for the leadoff spot. But, we should expect Jimmy to be much better going forward, and for Pierre to be a good deal worse going forward, and the two should meet somewhere in the middle. In my opinion, Pierre and Rollins true talent levels put them at about the same level of hitter these days. Only difference is that Rollins is a much better baserunner, and plays a premium defensive position at an above average clip. Jimmy should therefore see the field going forward. Pierre should not be a long-term starter.

With Mayberr starting to show signs of life, and once Nix comes off the DL, Pierre honestly shouldn't start more than once a week, if that.

And let it be known I'm not some Pierre fanboy but he's been plenty sufficient so far. My main point is that Rollins should not be hitting not only leadoff but anywhere in the top 2/3 of this lineup. So really it's more about my distaste for Jimmy right now than about thinking Pierre is a hall of famer.

Also, even the naked-eye test makes it obvious why Pierre is due to regress. You can't rely on botched plays and bad throws by fielders, seeing-eye soft grounders, balls taking tricky hops, and so on. Confirmation bias is strongly present, but I find myself shaking my head at the number of hits Pierre seems to get that really didn't result from making good contact with the ball and that he can't realistically hope to replicate consistently.

And we were one shitty inning away from sweeping them rubes in the half full park. So yes braves are playing well, not completely sold on them yet. After half season then I will take notice. Heath fat man bell chucked another turd yesterday. So glad philles didn't sign that load. Home away splits told truth on that thief.

Joe D, he's only "hot" if you think that his high BAbip will continue going forward. I don't.

To your larger point, there probably isn't a good candidate for the leadoff spot. But, we should expect Jimmy to be much better going forward, and for Pierre to be a good deal worse going forward, and the two should meet somewhere in the middle. In my opinion, Pierre and Rollins true talent levels put them at about the same level of hitter these days. Only difference is that Rollins is a much better baserunner, and plays a premium defensive position at an above average clip. Jimmy should therefore see the field going forward. Pierre should not be a long-term starter.

With Mayberr starting to show signs of life, and once Nix comes off the DL, Pierre honestly shouldn't start more than once a week, if that.

Posted by: Fatalotti

I get your points but my contention is really just with Jimmy hitting leadoff. Obviously you can't compare these 2 guys in the field but that's not even what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the bats. Surely Pierre will regress but maybe I just don't have the faith in Rollins that he will rise to his career AVG's.

The problem with the Phillies' hitters is that except for a couple of them they've been erratic, unpredictable and prone to slumps.

Since April 18th Pence has gone .202/.248/.426 (.209 BAbip), which, except for the SLG has been on par with Freddy Galvis .203/.247/.319 (.237 BAbip) over the same period.

Rollins has been worse - .200/.255/.278 (.227 BAbip).

When Charlie has two of his key regulars doing Freddy Galvis immitations at the plate, it seems to me that there is little he can do. (BTW, Polly has gone .329/.354/.405, .356 BAbip over that period).


The Phillies as a team have an OBP of .305 (.298 BAbip). The Braves OBP is .336 (.312 BAbip). The Phils OPS is .681 vs .754 for the Braves.

It's very simple.

Unless the Phillies improve dramatically at the plate, they will have an extremely tough time catching the Braves.

Baseball in general is obviously a very streaky sport but what this team is suffering from the most when they are in the downswings is the lack of power. The game is a lot easier if you are struggling but are able to drop a bomb here or there. The NL in general is light on pop but the Phillies are 10th in the league.

On a positive note, as Fatti noted above, Mayberry has shoen signs of life recently.

It's a small sample size, but of the 3 BBs he has on the year, 2 have come in the last 2 games, despite the fact he only has one hit.

If Mayberry truly is seeing the ball better and being more selective, that will only help.

Now, what to do about Rollins and Pence?

Joe D, I agree. There is simply no good candidate for the leadoff spot right there. Throwing Pierre in there shouldn't really be based on his merits, as much as just throwing sh!t at the wall, and seeing if it sticks.

And to your power point, Pierre is the biggest culprit when it comes to lack of power, which is why I contend that Mayberry should be in the lineup over him 9 times out of 10.

Nothing matters. This team doesn't score enough runs consistantly to put together a winning streak.

@Fatalotti....You are right. Pierre, while he has been getting on base still adds to the lack of power this team is experiencing at 3 of the 4 corner positions. That just can't be. Mayberry has shown some signs of breaking out lately.

DPatrone: The offense isn't actually THAT terrible. It's below-average, of course, but if it were just the offense that were below-average, the team would be doing better than it currently is.

The issue is the combination of bad offense, bad defense, and bad bullpen pitching. The only good thing on the team is the starting rotation.

Do you think Ruben pats himself on the back for assembling this rotation and thinks "See, this team would be a lot worse if it wasn't for this starting pitching!"

Man that would be scary.

Those notorious Philly Killers, the light hitting Houston Lastros come into town for their farewell tour of Philly. It should be a 1-0 extra inning game. Chad Qualls can give up the losing run, as a tip of his hat to one of his former employers.

Jack, I think the offense is pretty bad, even worse than their numbers right now suggest. They have a team wRC+ of 88, which is 11th in the NL, but I think they are worse than 11th in the NL going forward, because there are two teams behind them, the Reds and D-Backs, who I would bet good money on to outproduce them going forward. In reality, I think they are the 13th best offense in the NL, as currently constructed.

The only they're not lower is because the Padres are just a little worse, and the Pirates and Cubs are taking hacks at being the worst NL offense in decades.

Chances Hamilton bats .404 with 82HR and 203rbis for the season? lol jk

For the record, because I didn't see this earlier, there are 3 other teams with a teamwide wRC+ of 88 (Marlins, Nationals and Giants). I think the Marlins and Nationals will hit better than the Phillies going forward, and I like the top of the Giants order better than ours, so I wouldn't be surprised if they hit better than us going forward (all of this is in regards to our lineup as currently constructed. I have no idea how to predict how Howard and Utley, if they return, will affect things).

MG
As one who actually enjoyed the Phils - Braves rivalry more than the Mets or other teams, it hurts me to say, the Braves are done, financially speaking. The fans are not there, they hardly ever were there on a day to day basis. Gone, too, is the sweetheart deal with Turner Broadcasting. Their payroll actually has gone down, not up, since Turner sold them. If they can get production out of promoted minor leaguers, they can contend for a while. It won't be sustainable, though over the long haul.

This is especially true as their young talent matures to arbitration and free agency. The Yankees, BoSox, Texas and hopefully Phillies of the world are their future home, not Atlanta. Michael Bourne is the next to leave. If Vic leaves, he would look good in Citizens Bank Park center field. If Vic stays, I wouldn't mind him in right. Also there would be NO question who the lead off hitter would be.

Also there would be NO question who the lead off hitter would be.

Posted by: Templin

You are right. It would be Jimmy because what Jimmy wants Jimmy gets.

It's interesting to look at the NL stats. I have to ask the board whether or not the leaders can sustain their performance thus far.

For instance, the league leaders in RPG are the Cards and Braves, who are averaging 5.50 and 5.40 RPG respectively.

In the AL, there are only 2 teams averaging over 5.00 RPG, TEX at 5.91 and BOS at 5.53 RPG (BOS is tops in the AL at surrendering 5.47 RPG).

So, can ATL and STL sustain the scoring pace that they're on? I'm not so sure, but then again, their numbers with RISP are not off the charts.

johnny, I don't. But even if reverts to the player he was the last two seasons: 1 HR every 19.46 PA and 1 RBI every 5.72 PA, he'll end the season with 41 HR and 123 RBI (assuming 600 PA).

Now, this is assuming that he's not in his peak year (which looks to be the case). If this is so, it's not out of question that he could hit over 50 HRs this year, and track close to 150 RBI, especially given the park in which he plays, and the lineup in which he bats.

awh, the Cardinals offense is by far te best NL offense. If Berkman, Beltran and Holliday stay healty (and Holliday actually gets on track), I don't see why they wouldn't sustain their pace.

Furcal will come down off his cloud, but while he's on his way down, he should be passing Holliday, who should only improve going forward.

It will be interesting to see what Hamilton does, and whether he can stay healthy enough all season to put up those kinds of monster counting stats.

Templin--surprised that Bourne reunion with Phils in 2013 wasn't in the headline today. But I'm glad it wasn't, as I'm still holding out hope that we don't spend the rest of the summer planning for 2013 and ruing the closing of "the window"...

***If Berkman, Beltran and Holliday stay healty (and Holliday actually gets on track), I don't see why they wouldn't sustain their pace.***

They will have to find playing time for Allen Craig now that Berkman's back. How ridiculous is that?

DPat's buddy is going to be working overtime with e-mails this trading deadline if the Phillies become sellers

Blaming Rollins for Rollins hitting leadoff is one of the most bizzare recurring themes in the world of Phillies fandom.

Is it true that the Rangers are only offering 3 or 4 years max to Hamilton?

Blaming Rollins for Rollins hitting leadoff is one of the most bizzare recurring themes in the world of Phillies fandom.

Posted by: gobaystars!

The team doesn't have a leadoff hitter and hasn't since Dykstra. But that doesn't mean that Rollins should be free of sin because he pouted his way back to the role.

Is it true that the Rangers are only offering 3 or 4 years max to Hamilton?

Posted by: gobaystars!

If it is then good on them. It's a smart move. The guy is going to be 31 soon and has an injury history.

What grieves me about this upcoming series with teh Astros is that overall Houston's pitching has not been that much worse than the Phillies, and their offense is scoring .41 RPG more than the Phillies.

With this current version of the Phillies, there are no "gimme" series.

JRoll and Pence better get off their asses and start producing. Vic needs to pick it up some too.

Wiggy has regressed to what Wiggy is (.156/.270/.156 in May), Mayberry, while showing signs of life is still a question mark, so if this team is going to start winning consistently Jimmy needs to prove he can still "walk the walk", Vic needs to stop waving at balls up and away that he can't handle and Pence needs to get his head out of his a88.

awh, as always with Hamilton, his health and off-the-field issues are pretty much the only thing that will keep him from putting up those monster numbers. There really isn't a hole in his game to be found.

While the Rangers and Hamilton are a good fit, the Rangers don't have to go nuts to try and lock him up. Given all his injury and other issues, the fact that he'll be 32, and the fact they have a deep and talented farm system, they can offer him a 4 year deal with a high AAV, hope that his turning into a superstar in their system and the familiarity of the team will be enough to override his desire for more years.

If he doesn't like it, they can just move on, since they have so much other talent at the ML level and potential talent on the farm.

baystars, no one is "blaming" Rollins. Charlie makes out the lineup card.

awh, to be fair, this post is up there:

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Also there would be NO question who the lead off hitter would be.

Posted by: Templin

You are right. It would be Jimmy because what Jimmy wants Jimmy gets.

Posted by: Joe D | Monday, May 14, 2012 at 01:38 PM

Show me the pouting. When and how did this happen? Oh it didn't it's just a thing people like to say and have for the better part of a decade. Cool.

Fatti, from what I read, Hamilton may be faced with a choice of taking 4 years with TEX or 5 somewhere else.

He's a tremendous player, but he has injury and other off-field risks.

IMHO, and team that gave him more than 4-5 years would be acting imprudently.

Its ridiculous to blame Rollins for leading off when, in reality, the blame can easily be placed with Ryan Howard's contract.

If not for that contract, we'd have signed a legit leadoff hitter.

I would not sign Hamilton to more than 3 years. He's going to get hurt or junkie out at some point.

Show me the pouting. When and how did this happen? Oh it didn't it's just a thing people like to say and have for the better part of a decade. Cool.

Posted by: gobaystars!

Let me preface this for you....I was and always have been one of Jimmy's biggest supporters. I was dumb enough to be in the camp that wanted him back this year. And you have to be kidding me? Did you see his body language when he was hitting 3? That's all I needed to see. Bad body language = pouting. Is it not? Then all of a sudden he is leading off again? Like I said, the guy should be hitting no higher than 7th on this team and that's even with the fact that they don't have anything resembling a leadoff hitter.

I dont think I'd give any 33 year old the type of money Josh Hamilton is going to get this off-season.

I dont think I'd give any 33 year old the type of money Josh Hamilton is going to get this off-season.

Posted by: NEPP

I know someone who would though.

Oh. The body language. Right. His facial expressions too. That was obviously "I'm mad because I'm not hitting where I want to body language" as opposed to "I'm frustrated becasue I'm slumping body language". Thanks for clearing that up. Right. He wasn't moved up because he wasn't hitting well as a 3 hitter, it was because of his body language. Got it. Maybe he was intentionally making outs to get moved in the lineup too. That fits in with his track record of not caring about winning, right?
I'm not saying he's the best leadoff hitter but I do not buy that he refuses to hit elsewhere and that he complained his way back to the #1 spot.

Hey gobay...just like you are accusing me of making this stuff up and not knowing the situation..did you ever think you might not know either?

I don't know what goes on behind closed doors but it was just really fishy that he ended up hitting leadoff. If anything Jimmy's MO at the plate plays into the whole hitting 3rd approach which is why I was fine with it when they broke Clearwater with that plan in place. Jimmy doesn't want to work the count and he wants to be aggressive then great, hit 3, be aggressive. People hated Abreu for the way he hit 3rd.

What is really ridiculous to me is that I swear Jimmy tried to bunt for a hit more in his 19 games hitting 3rd than he has ever tried while leading off.

Factoids:

In April the Phillies scored 6 runs in 23 games: 3.30 RPG.
In April the Phillies surrendered 78 runs in 23 games: 3.39 RPG

In May the Phillies have scored 57 runs in 12 games: 4.75 RPG.
In May the Phillies surrendered 60 runs in 12 games: 5.00 RPG

Phillies record in April: 11 - 12.
Phillies recird in May: 5 - 7.

Even if you subtract the 13 run game from the equation (which BTW they lost because the GAVE UP 15 runs), they've still scored 44 runs in 11 games in May, or 4.00 RPG. Subtract the 15 runs from the total surrendered they've still given up 45 runs in 11 games - 4.10 RPG.


For all the griping we've done about the offense, the pitching, particularly the bullpen, has been terrible in May, and is the real reason they're 3 games under .500.

awh is right. The bullpen has basically robbed this team of 5 victories, by my count.

Well yes, Joe D you are making things up. Namely "pouted his way back to the role".
Guy hits leadoff for most of his career. He moves to 3rd and stuggles so the manager moves him back to leadoff. It's a failed experiment. Creating a story about sulking until he got moved is making things up.
Neither 3rd nor leadoff is the best spot. Hit him 6th or whatever, fine. But the sulking thing is made up.

I would argue that the offense has robbed them of 4 games, easily, if not more. Both aspects are nearly equally culpable of the team's current situation.

gobaystars: you know you are fighting a losing battle with this Rollins thing, right? The prevailing wisdom on BL about Rollins is pretty clear: poor work ethic, bad attitude, not a leader.

Some BLers, deep down, are happy with how Rollins is performing this year. He's been as bad as they've been claiming he is for years.

I'm also tired of Qualls pouting his way into the 8th inning role and Utley sulking his way into an extended DL stint. Furthermore, Pierre throwing all those temper tantrums that have kept Mayberry out of the lineup.

I didn't start posting here with regularity until a few weeks ago so I don't know many peoples stance on Rollins but I for one have always supported him. I have only recently soured on him.

I'm also tired of Qualls pouting his way into the 8th inning role and Utley sulking his way into an extended DL stint. Furthermore, Pierre throwing all those temper tantrums that have kept Mayberry out of the lineup.

Posted by: gobaystars!

Airball.

Souring on a player is fine. Rollins isn't what he used to be but you made up the pouting thing. The fan fiction that goes on concerning Rollins' attitude has been amazing over the years.

Oops, typo. Should say above:

"...Phillies scored 76 runs in 23 games.,,,"

AWH - what I take from those numbers pretty much aligns with their run differential (haven't hit when they've pitched well, haven't pitched well when they've hit well) - that would put them at 17-18.

In terms of run differential, they would project to be 4 games behind the Braves. Not a good position after 35 games, but also not sufficient for concluding a whole lot going forward - especially given that a team comprised of many of the same players won 102 games last year and that the Braves do have a history of fading late in the season.

However, obviously, the longer they go before closing the gap with the Braves the longer the odds that they'll ever catch them - regardless of whether Howard and/or Utley will make significant contributions.

Rollins should not be batting 1st or 3rd; he should be batting 7th. But those decisions are on Cholly, not Rollins. The idea that he "pouted" his way into the leadoff role or that his "body language" changed when he was asked to bat 3rd is just armchair pseudo-psychological gibberish.

He bats leadoff because Cholly bats him leadoff. And he has stunk because he has been an average to below average offensive player for the last 3 years, and average to below average offensive players often stink for long stretches of time. There is no hidden subtext beyond that.

I put most of the blame on Halladay's complexion. It's clear from how he gets red-faced that he doesn't have the mental makeup to be a stopper anymore. We would have won at least 4 more games if he didn't get flushed.

Rollins should not be batting 1st or 3rd; he should be batting 7th. But those decisions are on Cholly, not Rollins. The idea that he "pouted" his way into the leadoff role or that his "body language" changed when he was asked to bat 3rd is just armchair pseudo-psychological gibberish.

He bats leadoff because Cholly bats him leadoff. And he has stunk because he has been an average to below average offensive player for the last 3 years, and average to below average offensive players often stink for long stretches of time. There is no hidden subtext beyond that.

Posted by: bay_area_phan

Already touched on where Rollins should be hitting and you are on the same wavelength as me with wanting him in the bottom 3rd.

I put most of the blame on Halladay's complexion. It's clear from how he gets red-faced that he doesn't have the mental makeup to be a stopper anymore. We would have won at least 4 more games if he didn't get flushed.

Posted by: Phlipper

Nah he just doesn't know how to dress himself.

I haven't "soured" on Rollins, and I don't think he's the .230/.275/.288 hitter we've seen so far this season.

I'm just not sure how much of the .261/.325/.412 hitter we saw from 2008 - 2011 is still there.


The real issue with the Phillies offense right now is that they don't have the "depth" of talent they had a few years ago.

In 2007 - 2010, if someone was slumping, you had a bunch of other guys who would pick him up. It relieved the pressure. Even St. Utley would go into late season swoons, but it wasn't as noticable because that's when Howie would go on his late season tears. If Howie slumped, Werth/Burrell/Ibanez/Vic and sometimes even Chooch were there to pick up the slack.

With Howard and Utley on the DL, if 2 key guys go into slumps (JRoll and Pence since April 18th) who else id there that can really pick up the slack?

Thome looked lost, Mayberry was terrible early, Wiggy did for a while but has regressed, Nix couldn't stay healthy, and Chooch can't do it all by himself. Orr has hit but his defense (or knuckleheadedness) cost them a game.

I posted this above and I'll do it again:

Vic, Rollins and Pence need to pick it up.

On a positive note, Chooch's new haircut has really helped him hit. He found a good barber and it has really boosted his confidence at the plate.

For once I agree with DPatrone (as least as this team is currently constituted)

"Nothing matters. This team doesn't score enough runs consistently to put together a winning streak."

Yup. Even when they play a bottom feeder like the Cubs or Padres, a guy like Garza or Volquez is just going to neuter this lineup offensively. Basically, if the Phils' starters doesn't go 7 IP and 2 R or better, he will lose.

Astros don't interest me in the least either except for Altuve. Really want to see him hit.

He's listed at 5'7' but I bet that is only if he has his cleats on.

On a positive note, Chooch's new haircut has really helped him hit. He found a good barber and it has really boosted his confidence at the plate.

Posted by: gobaystars!

Ahahahaa JOKES!

"I put most of the blame on Halladay's complexion."


Well, they've lost his last 5 starts.

OTOH, if you take out the 8-runs blowup, Halladay's ERA in the other 4 games is 2.89 in 28 IP. And they lost all 4 of them because they scored 1, 1, 2, and 1 run in those games.

Putrid run support, if you ask me.

ahahhahhaa BODY LANGUAGE!

I remember people wanting Figgins before 2010. Damn, my man is done.

MG, once again, you're picking cherries.

Garza and Volquez would be in a lot of teams' rotations - including the Phillies.

Garza easily would be the #4 on the Phillies, and would be the #1 or 2 on a lot of other teams. Volquez was considered talented enough to trade for Josh Hamilton. He suffered a TJ setback, but he certainly looks to be recovered from it and looks like he did back in 2008 - which was pretty damn good.

Both those guys as they're currently pitching would be in almost any team's rotation.
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"Basically, if the Phils' starters doesn't go 7 IP and 2 R or better, he will lose."

Actually, MG, based on 4 of Halladay's last 5 starts not even THAT is true.

New thread, Yo.

Phils' record in Halladay/Lee starts:

2012: 3-9 in 12 GS

Lee/Hallday 2012: 3-4, 85 1/3 IP, 2.85 ERA, 0.98 WHIP, 1.6 BB/9, 7.4 K/9

10 of 12 GS (83%) have been quality starts.

2011: 46-18 in 64 GS

Lee/Halladay 2011: 36-14, 466 1/3 IP, 2.37 ERA, 1.06 WHIP, 1.5 BB/9, 8.8 K/9

51 of 64 GS (80%) have been quality starts.

Really all you need to know about this season for far for the Phils in a nutshell.

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