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Tuesday, May 08, 2012

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The Phillies are -190 with a 8.5 O/U tonight, that means they're predicting the Phils mash Batista, but then Charlie goes out and puts Pierre and Mayberry in the lineup over Nix.

Is f'n Pete Rose managing our team?!
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Actually Jack corrected me by saying Nix is out with a sore calf, but maybe Charlie is a betting man who is just raking in the dough with all these favorable moneylines vs the Phillies. Or hey, maybe Ruben needs some extra cash for the trade deadline and is doubling his profits hand over first for the first few months. Sadly, I'd support that.

No offense to Wigginton, Nix, and Papelbon, who are not the problem, but they shoulda signed Michael Cuddyer (.339 OBP; .471 SLG) for ~$10M.

I'd like to add Left handed Shane Victorino to the goat list. Mr. Switch hitter has a .548 OPS from the left side of the plate as opposed to 1.162 from the right side.

Just bat right handed you dope, you can't do any worse and probably would still be very effective since r/r platoons arent as drastic as l/l.

I wish Pete Rose wasn't banned from baseball because I'd LOVE to see him manage the Phils.

I absolutely agree on Rollins. I was one of the people who wanted him back because I thought his D was irreplaceable but he made a big error there that also cost this team a game. Then you have his bat and his pant wetting when he was asked to hit 3. I was really wrong on this. Cutting bait with Jimmy might have brought a new attitude to this team.

No offense to Wigginton, Nix, and Papelbon, who are not the problem, but they shoulda signed Michael Cuddyer (.339 OBP; .471 SLG) for ~$10M.

Posted by: J.R. King

You gotta dig into those splits man.

Cuddyer at home .507 SLG.
Cuddyer on the road .400 SLG

Rollins is a huge hole in the lineup. I'd imagine he is in the lead for most plate appearances this season without a homer. Not that I want him swinging for the fences but, he's reached an all-time low in solid contact.

Probably get 10 total bases tonight - 'regression to the mean' and all.

Phils are playing the right card with Orr in the lineup. 7-1 when he starts. Correlation = causation, no doubt.

Does anybody think Victorino might see a baseball in his back tonite for flagrantly running out of the baseline to get at Turner last nite?

Or likewise Valdespin for hitting the HR off Papelbon?

I didn't expect Mayberry to duplicate his 2nd half of 2011 (like Amaro probably did) but I definitely didn't think he'd be this awful either.

Does anybody think Victorino might see a baseball in his back tonite for flagrantly running out of the baseline to get at Turner last nite?

Or likewise Valdespin for hitting the HR off Papelbon?

Posted by: Rich

Nope, you're digging there. I think the Mets probably realized that Shane was doing anything within his power to push a run across for this anemic offense. In fact, they probably feel bad for him.

Joe - With your Halladay comment from last thread, last night's lead that he blew was based on a line drive that would've been caught if Rollins wasn't covering second and a seeing eye double that was about a millimeter fair. There was about 2 hard hit balls all night. Halladay is fine. If the offense could score more than 2 runs for him, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

I also like to add Pence's lack of baseball IQ to list. You don't come up being Hacky McHackerton with 1 out with the bases loaded in the 7th inning of a tie game. That's fundamental baseball.

Joe - With your Halladay comment from last thread, last night's lead that he blew was based on a line drive that would've been caught if Rollins wasn't covering second and a seeing eye double that was about a millimeter fair. There was about 2 hard hit balls all night. Halladay is fine. If the offense could score more than 2 runs for him, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

I also like to add Pence's lack of baseball IQ to list. You don't come up being Hacky McHackerton with 1 out with the bases loaded in the 7th inning of a tie game. That's fundamental baseball.

Posted by: RedBurb

I was fine with his movement last night but he seemed to lack his usual command and his pitch count was much higher than it typically would be. I'm not ready to sound the alarm on him because like you've pointed out some things didn't break his way last night.

I commented on Pence twice in the previous thread. To think that he'd see a fastball in that spot (specifically early in the count) tells me a lot about where his head is at.

I think uc needs to retire. Or perhaps remove the current version of a bench coach

Thx for 2008 Chuck- But we have a hungry young turk whose an iron pig & should be at least a bench coach on the parent club

This team is just not a smart team. They aren't. You've got the Pence AB in the 7th, Wigginton's slide into the front part of the plate and Charlie's wizardry. It's one thing to lean on injuries as a crutch but I have no tolerance for stupidity and a total lack of awareness to certain situations during a ballgame.

Preferably ryne s/ be the Phil's mgr

JRoll out of the leadoff spot:

.256/.319/.326 (.645 OPS) in 47 PAs in 10 GS

Batting 3rd:

.216/.253/.243 (.496 OPS) in 80 PAs in 19 GS

Not sure what you do with JRoll except grin & bear it, suffer through another 3-4 weeks of subpar hitting, and hope that he picks up in June as he has done in year's past.

Ok. We're in agreement. I was pretty ticked off to see him come up and swing at two consecutive curveballs in that spot. Incredibly stupid.

Not a G Damn thing.

There is nothing they can do right now. Getting Lee back helps this week and allows KK back into the pen if they need to fill that swing man spot.

Play ~.500, getting Utley/Howard back, and see where you stand at the deadline.

Little ways back in the NL East but with the 2nd WC it is going to be next to impossible for them to be buried completely unless people like the Reds, Mets, or DBacks are juggernaut teams.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if you see a 86 or 87 win team get the 2nd WC spot in the NL this year.

Ok. We're in agreement. I was pretty ticked off to see him come up and swing at two consecutive curveballs in that spot. Incredibly stupid.

Posted by: RedBurb

Oh without a doubt. It was textbook "what not to do" in that spot.

In general this team should be taking offspeed pitches until they have 2 strikes on them or if it is an absolute hanger because none of them hit offspeed well. Or anything well for that matter.

Cuddyer & Theriot. With them the team would have been getting sized for new rings already.

Now all we can do is hope that they get their heads out of their collective asses and win some games.

Too many bullpen guys having crappy seasons also. They don't have so much a goat as they do a herd there.

I heard one afternoon sports radio host (WIP or ESPN - not sure which) advocating bringing in Posednik (sp?) as if he was a savior or something. Yes that offensive juggernaut Scott Posednik.

So there's nothing they can do about the fact that the team isn't that good. And yet I was consistently mocked and ridiculed all offseason for saying that the team was heading towards a serious cliff with not much they could do about it going forward.

It seems like most people (me included, frankly) still think they can turn this around and at least battle for a playoff spot this season. Does ANYONE still think this team is going to be competitive in the years 2013-2015, or have people finally come to realize that it's going to be a serious decline?

So there's nothing they can do about the fact that the team isn't that good. And yet I was consistently mocked and ridiculed all offseason for saying that the team was heading towards a serious cliff with not much they could do about it going forward.

It seems like most people (me included, frankly) still think they can turn this around and at least battle for a playoff spot this season. Does ANYONE still think this team is going to be competitive in the years 2013-2015, or have people finally come to realize that it's going to be a serious decline?

Posted by: Jack

I was posting elsewhere before coming here but you were seriously the only one who saw the window slamming shut on this team? I find that hard to believe. I think most of the guys are brighter than that here.

Don't know if this was mentioned, but Jim Leyland weighed in on the Cole Hamels issue. To paraphrase, he thought that since MLB was concerned with cleaning up its act, Cole should have gotten 15 game susp. He must have forgotten that he managed Bruce Kison and undoubtedly countless others that threw at hitters. What a blowhard. Hey Jim-- step in the boat with Mike Rizzo

Hope his fine wasn't just chicken sh-t--- er feed.

I'm not going to crow about it, but I was somewhat surprised at the level of optimism (or lack of pessimism) about the offense, which was plainly going to decline dramatically from last year's already mediocre showing. I didn't particularly expect to be 2 under .500 this far into the season, though. I do think that the team is underperforming to an extent and that Howard + Utley + trade deadline guy will be enough to make things exciting again.

As for 2013-2015, it's kind of up to Amaro and luck. That also kind of implies a turnaround is in the works after 2015, which isn't automatically true and also depends on Amaro (or, theoretically, his replacement).

Joe D: No, but I'm the only one who has consistently been saying it and am self-aggrandizing enough to call myself right after 6 weeks of the season.

So, you know.

Who would you all have us sign if we cut bait with rollins? Seems like a lack of options was our biggest problem.

Great train of thought above, and excellent comments and unanswerable questions last post from clout, Jack, and MG.

At this point, hang in, try to stay around .500 and hope for a little bounceback from J-Roll, and a little help from Chase and Ryan down the line.

Battle for a playoff spot, and if the team is reasonably healthy, with the big three in the rotation, the Phils would not be a team anyone would want to play post season.

What else are you going to do?

In the meantime, we're finding out it ain't so much fun in the real world.

fumphis: Unless they strike lucky gold a couple place in the farm system, I fully believe that Amaro will turn the rest of this decade into one like the 1990s. So yeah, I think it's bad after 2015 too.

I think payroll will shrink and the front office has neither the ability nor is willing to commit the resources to rebuild at a full franchise-level. I think Amaro is in significantly over his head as a GM when it comes to that.

Now people will proceed to tell me they've won 95+ games a year since he's been GM and then I will tell them that has virtually nothing to do with being able to completely rebuild a franchise, and we will go on and on and on...

If things don't pick up when Utley and Howard get back, they should at least listen to offers for Halladay. Not sure if his vesting option goes away if he's traded or if he has a no-trade clause (likely) but the team needs to get younger, he can still command a huge haul of prospects (especially if his new team gets him for 2013) and they're not going to have three $20mm+ pitchers next season. Then they can make an aggressive push at signing Hamels long-term and have a staff of Lee, Hamels, Blanton, Worley, #5

"Does ANYONE still think this team is going to be competitive in the years 2013-2015, or have people finally come to realize that it's going to be a serious decline?"

Jack, if you can tell me today who is going to be on the team during those seasons, who is going to be on all of the other NL teams, and how healthy they're going to be, I think I can take a stab at that question?

It would probably be in poor taste to throw out a (weak armed) "I told you so" RE: Rollins.

But yeah, I told you so. And I've been telling you so RE: Manuel for years. He was a bad manager w/ good players. Now he's just a bad manager.

By-the-by, it's a damn shame the ball club doesn't employ some manner of hitting expert to help Mayberry iron out what appear to everyone else on the planet but the Phillies to be some very correctable stance & approach issues.

Game Thread ==>

I think we're getting ready to play the old Beerleaguer favorite: "Every other team can only get better, while the Phillies can only get worse".

For Real...I wanted them to sign Beltre instead of Polanco

I honestly didnt think J-Roll would hit more than .260 maybe 11-12 HR's. I didnt think he was signed for his bat more for his defense. However he has to produce more that .230 BA no HR as of yet. Even if we can get him to a .250 BA i dont think thats going to help much when you have Mayberry doing the Mendoza, Polanco who knows, and Shane not even cracking .250. Its the whole team with exception of Ruiz. Ty has been doing ok but i dont expect him to keep up the numbers for much longer.

Quote from G-Town Dave:

"And I've been telling you so RE: Manuel for years. He was a bad manager w/ good players. Now he's just a bad manager."

Dave, sadly, I must agree.

start it off by dumping uncle charlie maybe that will take some of their heads out of their butts. then i'd bat jimmy 9 just to piss him off. i'd tell him if you're gonna hit like a pitcher you're going in the 9 hole. cole , lee, and worley will bat 8th

first off, we're paying way too much for Rollins and Howard, but now how are we to rid ourselves of that huge error, Howard is no Pujois, and Rollins isnt 27 yrs old anymore.. his bat stinks.. secondly Amaro must have been holding his kiddy banklet when he envisioned everyone have career years, cause thats not gonna happen. we need to seriously re-evaluate our team by positional players, the bullpen is even sucking, and if anyone truly believes we can win by Cy Young Pitching, think again, no one wins scoreless games. Get rid of Rollins and Howard, move Schneider, send a few back to the minors.. and start looking for Cuddyear, Young, Carlos Quintin type players that are still available or trade for em, including Derrick Lee.

Whatever happened to the pre-season speech of veterans not pulling their weight will sit on the pine, until they start doing what we're playing em for ????.. well jimmy, we got a spot for you.... leadoff 1st seat, take notes

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