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Tuesday, May 22, 2012

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Rollins out rest of series on 72 hour paternity leave.

There should be a poll as to who will be the first to rip J-Roll for taking paternity leave.

Personally I feel we have no idea how the pregnancy went, what the surrounding circumstances are, or any other potential variable. Take your time Jimmy.

I'm not a big Mayberry fan, but he's been hitting the ball hard recently (particularly against the lefty Lester).

And I wasn't bothered by the tentative baserunning last night because as he wasn't the tying run. Polanco had the bigger baserunning blunder.

I won't rip Rollins, especially with the team heading out on a road trip after the series.

With the way Jroll is hitting, I don't miss him at all. Take your time, Jimmy. I hope your head is on straight when you return.

Rip him? I'm overjoyed that for a few nights someone else will be getting the most ABs.

I agree, no problems with Rollins either, its in the CBA so good for him.

Here's to reading the following intro to many future beerleaguer post:

"since rollins became a father, his numbers have increased by:"

I was at the game last night. Haven't felt an atmosphere in the old ballyard like that since David Bell wore the pinstripes. The team plays as if its depressed. Makes sense. The fans act depressed. I know that the weather didn't help but the whole scene was just dreary.
One thing that may not have shown up on tv was how badly K-berry was manhandled. The first two at bats the only contact he could make were the weakest of popflies that barely reached the seats down the rightfield line. Of course, both abs ended in strike outs. He must have hit 5 or 6 of him. Gonzalez was bascially emasculating him. The third time up he hit a soft fly to right field and it seemed like a moral victory. He looks dreadful right now. In other words, he fits right in.

Rollins has been on paid leave for the entire season.

I just watched the mlb.com "condensed game" and Gio manhandled almost everyone early in the game.

Kinda confused why Mayberry gets singled out.

I was there too and sat in the nosebleeds where it wasn't empty but filled with loud hecklers. The stadium has seen fuller days for sure. I actually felt like I was at The Vet last night. Sadly it was for the calming atmosphere of mediocrity and not the jolt of energy of CBP past.

You didn't see the wimpy little dying quails he was hitting fight over the first base coaching box that barely reached the stands. K-berry looked like a little leaguer. I was embarrased for the guy.

Considering that Jimmy Rollins is hitting 2 points below Eric Bruntlett's career numbers, I cannot get too exercised about doing without his bat for a few days.

It felt exactly like the Vet last night. First time I ever saw that at CBP. Tonight's dollar dog night that should be festive.

***Rollins has been on paid leave for the entire season.***

And we're done here.

any chance victorino's wife can deliver today and 72 hours can be extended to 72 days?

any chance victorino's wife can deliver today and 72 hours can be extended to 72 days?

Posted by: wes covington's ghost

Oh c'mon now. His ABs lefthanded have Tony Gwynn jealous.

Rollins has been on paid leave for the entire season.

I'm just glad he finally figured out he doesn't need to be physically present to fail to contribute. If Rollins wants to take the next, oh, 3.75 years to spend time w/ his family, so be it.

No way KK 'outpitched' Gonzalez. KK however certainly pitched well enough though for the Phils' to have a decent shot to win that game.

If you look at a loss and Kyle Kendrick is not a main reason why the loss occurred then well, you are in bad shape. Bad, bad shape.

Rollins is not an "impact" hitter. He is, at best, a barely below average hitter. Hasn't slugged over .400 since 2009.

Jroll looks shot. I'm hoping Lind comes back, one of the few sources of walks on this team.

I saw a stat last night that he Jimmy has the lowest OPS of any starter in the majors. If that is true how can he not be atleast platooned for a bit. And don't give me the spiel about him pulling out of it. He has been on a steady decline for years. At the very least get him out of the lead off spot and back deep in the order.

Nah Buster let's just keep hitting him leadoff. The man needs his at bats. Ugh.

So I just took a trip down memory lane and watched Victorino's slam off CC from 2008 again. I was in the house that night. What a blast. From the Myers AB to that. Fun times.

Joe D: Beginning next season that becomes even more of an issue, as the 4th year of Rollins' contract is tied directly to his number of PAs.

Joe D: Beginning next season that becomes even more of an issue, as the 4th year of Rollins' contract is tied directly to his number of PAs.

Posted by: GTown_Dave

Oh I know. It is going to be a fun balancing act between Jimmy's ego, the contract and Manuel's undying loyalty to veterans. I really look forward to it.

fumphis: Rollins is too an impact player! His impact is "Thud!"

"I'm hoping Lind comes back, one of the few sources of walks on this team."

Is there a joke that I'm missing there? Who is Lind?

When the phils were going strong the current portion of the fan base that just came to drink, grabass and take cell pictures of each other on the concourse kind of blended in due to the excitement on the field. Now that the team is playing so badly the drunks seem more annoying and the atmosphere at the stadium more toxic.
I feel sorry for the people working there that have to put up with knuckle heads and bad baseball 2 out of 3 nights. Saw obnoxious drunks getting the boot before the National Anthem recently. The just headed rignt for X-finity.

Pierre (LF), Polanco (3B), Vic (CF), Pence (RF), Ruiz (C), Luna (1B), Galvis (SS), Fontenot (2B), Halladay (P).

Luna (1B), Galvis (SS), Fontenot (2B)

I mean all I can do is laugh. So that is what I'm doing.

Eal-
The good news is those "fans" will skip the game and head right to x-finity next year if the team keeps treading water. They'll use the money they save on standing room on beer there.

Eal-
The good news is those "fans" will skip the game and head right to x-finity next year if the team keeps treading water. They'll use the money they save on standing room on beer there.

Posted by: Bill

Yeah but when the team starts to trend up again they'll be the ones buying up tickets before the people who hung around during the lean times. In a way I guess I'm envious of them. I'm too dumb to throw in the towel and completely stop watching this team. I used to watch Amaury Telemaco starts as if they were game 7 of the world series. I'm just an idiot.

I just figured out Shawn Kemp isn't retired, just on paternity leave.

I just figured out Shawn Kemp isn't retired, just on paternity leave.

Posted by: Raul's grandpa

Yep. Antonio Cromartie is going to be joining him soon.

I heard a guy at the drink rail brag he spent over $150 on beer there during the game last week, I know the Phils and Aramark arent hurting watching the inebriation there but I heard yesterday that X-finity has really cut into Aramarks profits so far this year.

Juan Samuel should be fired.

I used to watch Amaury Telemaco starts as if they were game 7 of the world series. I'm just an idiot.

All true Phillies fans are idiots, Joe. It's why we deserved a parade in '08, & why we keep watching even though we kind of knew that what's happening now was inevitable. Still, it could be worse. Remeber when Joe Roa was the starting pitcher ... for a Home Opener?!

Ah the days of Roa. Him and his glass eyes.

I can see Amaro now blaming X-finity and siphoned beer profits for not signing Cole...

When I think of Joe Roa, the thing that always jumps to mind is that, at the time the Phillies called him in July, 2002, he had a AAA win-loss record of 14-0.

He was 14-0 because hitters were getting lost in his eyes.

At least in the Telemaco era you got the feeling that they were really trying-- they just stunk. In a way that was less frustrating than watching a team underachieve every night and just go through the motions. figuring they can turn it on at the end.

At least in the Telemaco era you got the feeling that they were really trying-- they just stunk. In a way that was less frustrating than watching a team underachieve every night and just go through the motions. figuring they can turn it on at the end.

Posted by: Ted

Is that the sense you get now? I think this team is playing to their talent level right now. These guys just aren't good. I honestly have no clue how they have even got 21 wins so far. It's mostly due to starting pitching obviously but when I look at this team for face value there is no way in hell I'd have them at 1 game under .500.

Mayberry isn't all that big a problem. He's been hitting the ball hard and that to call his base running last night a blunder is a blunder. Nothing wrong with him not scoring there, the guy behind him was the important run.

***Pierre (LF), Polanco (3B), Vic (CF), Pence (RF), Ruiz (C), Luna (1B), Galvis (SS), Fontenot (2B), Halladay (P).***

One of the things I hate most about ST games is these damn split squad lineups.

Watching this season's Phillies team has led to my thinking of this scene on a somewhat regular basis:

"What's our record, Larry?"

"8 and 16."

"8 and 16. How'd we ever win 8?"

"It's a miracle."

"It's a miracle!"

I got to watch some of the game with my mom last night. She's no huge fan but, she generally knows who's on the team. She must have asked me 7 times who someone was and, by the time we got to Raul Valdes, I was a little depressed.

I'm really okay with a "down" few years, and I think the fundamentals of the organization's finances are good enough that we won't have a long stretch of egregiously bad teams.

The question marks, though, are the scouting/drafting side of things and Amaro's free-agent/trading habits. I'm happy to watch a generally bad team that has exciting young players on it, with the sense that you're building to something special. I'm not happy to watch a team composed of a few massive free-agent contracts supplemented by a scrap-heap supporting cast.

Unfortunately that's the reality for the next several years. The question is whether there will be enough cheap talent in the pipeline afterwards to bring the team into a place where it can use free-agent money to fill in the chinks rather than make up the bulk of the team, and whether Amaro can shake his addiction to completely unnecessary overpays.

The story of the current run is the story of cheap homegrown players that became stars. That needs to happen again.

Dave,
I'm waiting to see "Chico's Bail Bonds" added to the sponsors on the outfield wall.

"The story of the current run is the story of cheap homegrown players that became stars. That needs to happen again."

It would be nice if that happened again, of course, but it doesn't NEED to. The Phillies are operating on a much higher plane now as an organization.

Lots of hand-ringing about them needing gobs of homegrown talent infused or they'll die, yet I hear very little of those kinds of things said about the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, or Dodgers.

***Red Sox, Angels, or Dodgers.***

Perhaps because they all have some pretty solid homegrown talent still in their prime or even younger?

fumphis, I agree with you and I really hate that I wanted Arbuckle to take over after Gillick because I wanted to see more homegrown talent as the core for when this time inevitably came with the current core. Now we have a GM who can only sign checks and possesses little to no talent evaluating skills.

Salisbury: "Worley back w/ team. NO Tommy John surgery. Hopes to pitch through discomfort caused by bone chip in elbow."

I figure we'll see how well that's going to work fairly quickly.

"She must have asked me 7 times who someone was and, by the time we got to Raul Valdes, I was a little depressed."

Let me depress you more: he was the Phillies' best performer in last night's game.

I think Charlie asks 7 times a night who someone is too...

I think Charlie asks 7 times a night who someone is too...

Posted by: RK

Imagine his frustration last night when he found out Jimmy wasn't there. I mean that was the one thing he'd get right with the lineup every night!

I'm not happy to watch a team composed of a few massive free-agent contracts supplemented by a scrap-heap supporting cast.

I wanted Arbuckle to take over after Gillick because I wanted to see more homegrown talent as the core for when this time inevitably came ...

word x 2.

Live by RISP, Die by RISP. The uptick in offense this month has almost been entirely due to increased AVG & BABIP.

April/May
AVG - .247 (8th)/.281 (2nd)
BABIP - .292 (9th)/.315 (4th)
% LD - 19.3% (10th)/20.7% (8th)
% GB - 48.4% (5th)/48.5% (2nd)
% FB - 32.4% (11th)/30.8% (13th)
GB/FB - 1.49 (5th)/1.58 (t-3rd)
OBP - .293 (14th)/.342 (2nd)
% BB - 5.5% (16th)/7.7% (13th)
BB/K - 0.31 (15th)/0.48 (5th)
SLG - .347 (11th)/.431 (4th)
ISO - .099 (16th)/.150 (8th)
HR/FB - 7.1% (11th)/11.3% (9th)

Posted this the other day but the same underlying rot with this lineup (inability to work BBs, below average power with a ton of GB) is still there.

%BB has improved a bit and is probable more sustainable to this point but the HR/FB ratio and BABIP are probably not.

Offense isn't as bad as it was in April but it isn't as good either as evidenced by their run totals in May either. This is still a bad lineup especially on days where Chooch has to sit right now.

MG: Just wait 'til Chooch hits the prolonged slump portion of his season.

Maybe a few days off will be good for J-Roll. Maybe he is thinking dam i should of signed this prenup. Sorry guys every time i hear of a high paid athlete having a baby, i always think a divorce is soon to follow. Most of these guys never sign a prenup, and get taking to the cleaners. Off subject i know...

How do people think this team 'goes through the motions right now' who watch them on an everyday basis?

I wouldn't say that in the least. They show a ton of hustle. There isn't a single guy on this roster right now I would label as someone who is not trying/'going through the motions.'

Several regulars especially Pence, Pierre, and Galvis play hard all of the time. The real issue is that the Phils are playing a bunch of guys who just are either really long in the tooth or just not that good to begin with.

Basically a complete load of BS that this Philly fans appreciates a team that plays hard even if they aren't winners. Simply not true. People here will complain vociferously is the team isn't winning. Period. It really doesn't matter if they play hard or not.

If anything, this team appears to me at times of trying to hard to make things happen or over thinking situations resulting in mental errors and execution miscues.

Lack of effort isn't something I have seen out of this team.

MG: Sadly, I agree. By & large the issue isn't a lack of effort, it's a lack of talent ... & a lack of brains.

7 pitch innings aren't a result of "trying too hard" or a tremendous amount of effort. Nor is failing to tag up, throwing to the wrong base etc.

JRoll isn't an impact hitter anymore. He's a guy who hits .250-.260 with primarily hits singles with declining power. Still has decent speed & is a good baserunner. Solid defensive SS even if he has lost some range and doesn't have quite the same arm.

Still a better player than we have seen & I would bet good money he has a solid 2nd half as long as he stays healthy.

Also kind of foolish to 2nd guess resigning him too at this point. This time next year you will have a much better idea.

The guys that are hurting this lineup playing everyday are Mayberry and Wigginton. If Wigginton isn't hitting, he's useless. Poor on the bases and liability defensively even at 1B. Mayberry does have some strengths (defense, speed, and should have better pop vs LHP) but playing him every especially against RHP is tough to watch. Just has had a bunch of terrible ABs facing RHP.

People who think this is bad are pretty much outing themselves as people who have just recently jumped on the bandwagon.

Get some perspective. This team went through over a decade of way-worse-than-this.

Is there a joke that I'm missing there? Who is Lind?

BAP, I think he was referring to Adam Lind who was placed on irrevocable waivers by Toronto.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/05/blue-jays-place-adam-lind-on-outright-waivers.html

??? - Yeah it is some execution blunders the last few days but you really think this team is a team that has executed poorly the entire season?

Think you mistake a lack of talent for poor execution. Defensively this team doesn't execute poorly and even on the basepaths I don't see that many baserunning blunders as you supposedly see.

Iceman: "Way worse" is a matter of opinion. To me the Phillies in last place w/ a last place payroll were far less disappointing than the Phillies in last place w/ the highest payroll in the league.

I think John Mayberry Jr's days as a Quad-A tweener are yesterday, today and tomorrow. He's 28 years old and has had one half good season. Perhaps he just isn't a good as we want him to be...

Iceman: "Way worse" is a matter of opinion. To me the Phillies in last place w/ a last place payroll were far less disappointing than the Phillies in last place w/ the highest payroll in the league.

Posted by: GTown_Dave

Yeah but when you dig deep into these contracts you can tell that many were destined for failure. Even us armchair GMs were weary of these deals when they were handed out.

Whats the train cost round trip from Philly to Baltimore ? I'd like to see a good ball game ?

% SB - 85% (1st in NL)
Pickoffs - 3 (Last in NL)

Phils are last in NL at 37% on taking the extra base on a single/double but I would bet that is more reflective of some of the slower guys in this lineup especially Polanco, Wigginton, & Chooch. Even JRoll and Pierre don't have the same speed anymore. Only guys I consider with really good speed are Vic and Pence.

Errors - 23 (Last in NL)
DP - 46 (2nd in NL)
Def Eff - .695 (8th)

Kind of more of the same as last year. Phils aren't quite as good defensively as year's past (OF is a huge issue just as it was last because of the notably poor corner OF defense) but the Phils generally make the plays they are supposed to on balls they get to.

Mayberry's fine as a bench guy who can play 1B/LF and gets 200-250 ABs primarily who starts vs LHP.

Issue is he is on pace to get over 400 ABs including over 60% of those vs RHP.

Davey Lopes & Dodgers

% SB - 57% (15th in NL)
Pickoffs - 11 (1st in NL)

Mayberry's fine as a bench guy who can play 1B/LF and gets 200-250 ABs primarily who starts vs LHP.

Issue is he is on pace to get over 400 ABs including over 60% of those vs RHP.

Posted by: MG

Who would have thought that a career minor leaguer would see a dip in production when his playing time was increased? Oh what's that? The entire fanbase you say? How about the GM? Was he clued into that?

Yo, new thread

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Add me to those who can't fault the team for lack of effort. I think most of the veteran core are true professionals who know what it takes, and realize that eyewash won't help, and could even be counterproductive. Have not heard anything in interviews, sportscasts, TV, at all about lack of morale or anyone dogging it.

Now, are some of them, despite their best efforts to get it going, maybe pressing a bit, and maybe making some mistakes they might not if they were a little more loose? Sure, probably. Mayberry is example uno. And admittedly, it can be frustrating to watch.

But burying this team for lack of effort or incompetence at this stage? With the injuries they are dealing with? No way, I'm not even close to that. Nothing wrong with griping, but let's press on.

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