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Wednesday, May 09, 2012

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Sums everything up pretty well.


Firing UC would be a nice start to shake up the clubhouse.

So this is what it sounds like when doves cry.

Yeah. Firing Charlie will solve all the problems with the roster. The bullpen will have better pitchers immediately. Orr will start playing better defense and Howard and Utley will heal faster.

Every night they find a new way to lose. Roster aside that's just a sign of a bad baseball team.

Seriously though, this team cannot do anything right these days. Obviously the return of Utley and Howard (and Lee--mainly for his bat) will help, but something about this team just feels... off. Has all season. We all understood that the offense would be down without those guys, but some of the ways they're losing--uncannily bad managerial decisions, botching routine plays, total lack of timely hits, general malaise from veterans--they look like the Kansas City Royals out there, not a serious World Series contender. Unless the big two round into form really quickly upon their returns, I'm not sure this team can contend for anything.

If the team is playing tight, as UC says, firing the manager will shake things up. Cant possibly hurt at this point with the team on pace to win around 73 games.

Luna,Fontenot,Diekman and Friend. give them all a chance. Don't give me that stuff about experience for D. and F. Most other major league teams call up young players and sometimes get a winner.100% chance none of them will contribute without getting a chance.I'll bet there is a 99% chance atleast 2 of them will do better than the people they are replacing.
Again I repeat: JRolls contract will end up being worse than Howards!

With each passing day, Cole slips a little more out of the Phils' grasp. Makes me cringe. Please right the ship, somehow.

I love how on my ride in I hear people clamoring for Mike Fontenot. Seriously, who f-ing cares. Fontenot, Orr, Galvis...they are all the same except the names.

With each passing day, Cole slips a little more out of the Phils' grasp. Makes me cringe. Please right the ship, somehow.

Posted by: quincy.mcneal

By all accounts he really likes it here though so there is that. With each passing day this team is sliding more and more into rebuild mode. They have an ace already in house with Cole. Lock him up and start the salary shed. This team isn't a World Series winner. It won't be if/when Howard and Utley return either. Winning the 2nd wild card does nothing for me right now or for the foreseeable future.

When the Angels jumped on Frieri for some middling prospects, I couldn't understand why the Phils wouldn't have tried. Maybe they did, I don't know. Middle Relievers are usually over-priced at the deadline.

Phillies are playing tight? I thought the 1 thing that Charlie was good at was keeping a loose clubhouse.

When does Chase come back?

Phillies are playing tight? I thought the 1 thing that Charlie was good at was keeping a loose clubhouse.

Posted by: Jbird

Seriously. That was supposed to be Manuel's calling card. If he can't provide looseness anymore then he REALLY brings nothing to the table.

If Mets are marginal, what does that make us?

They lost their stars, call up a bunch of kids & have a decent team

We lose our stars and have nothing but retreads & hasbeens

***They lost their stars, call up a bunch of kids & have a decent team***

Over a 4 year period...

I also don't get how a team that is mainly veteran heavy is playing tight in May. I have a really hard time understanding this. These guys haven't been through the wars of October before? Am I missing something?

These things are all on front burner. A uncle cholly has got to go. B few young relievers have to be brought up. C the clubhouse and feel of club need a new injection of energy. Lil mike in AAA should be with club. This team can't go in rebuild mode. CABLE contract coming. Millions upon millions will be lost. Only way to right ship would be if.I repeat if you are ten games out, and the move is trade Cole. But it only has to be to a team that is willing to give up one major leaguer and three minors. The only team I can see doing that is Texas. The farm is deep and they might need a starter if something pops up. I am no way saying do it. But that is the deal they have to get. No seattle fleece trade. Left way too much on table in that shitty deal.

5-5, 4 HR, 2B, 8 RBIS for Hamilton.. I don't think the phillies team has had a better game than that..especially from power standpoint..

I think that firing Charlie has about 0% chance of improving this team - but I will say that at least the press conferences after losses would have to be more interesting.

Is there anyone on the planet who is less articulate than Charlie? Andy Reid is a non-stop source of fascinating information compared to him.

I love how yesterday we couldn't rip Charlie for his tactical moves but today Philipper can take potshots about his press conferences of which no one even cares about.

The Eagles didn't lose last nite.

The Eagles didn't lose last nite.

Posted by: the sun is gonna come out tomorrow

But they did. They still have Andy Reid as their coach.

"With each passing day, Cole slips a little more out of the Phils' grasp. Makes me cringe."

There seems to be a post like that every day. I don't really understand it.

I cant wait to see which franchise massively overpays in years and money for Josh Hamilton this off-season.

Seems pretty easy to me. A string of losses following a lackluster April, inadequate offense and miserable BP - Of course they're prone to play tight at this point. It's human nature. You can shake if off for a while, but after a month of subpar play, when things are suddenly worsening, it's hard to ignore.

As for Charlie keeping them loose, or failing to do so, it's pretty unrealistic to think he can do this perfectly. I'm sure he tries to keep it loose in the clubhouse, keep a positive attitude, etc. But in-game, what's he supposed to do to prevent them playing tight, if indeed that was a contributing factor to how bad the game became?

These are competitive athletes who worked hard to become major leaguers (putting aside the fact that many of them don't really belong in the major leagues). They have an intrinsic desire to win, and they well know the pressure to perform that comes from big contracts and high expectations - their own and others'.

They also stink as a team. How could that not get to them? Isn't it a bit like the tension felt in an office when a few people are laid off, and everyone feels insecure as a result? Not saying these guys are worried about losing their jobs or paying their mortgages, but they know the ship is listing.

"I love how on my ride in I hear people clamoring for Mike Fontenot. Seriously, who f-ing cares. Fontenot, Orr, Galvis...they are all the same except the names"

I never thought I'd be caught dead singing the praises of Mike Fontenot, but this is not true. Fontenot is a better player than both. Not like that's saying much.

Fontenot stinks. They will call him and he will stink. Don't kid yourself. The answers to what ails this team are not with the big club or in the farm system.

So this is a just a thought but what about turning a starter into a late multiple inning guy. College teams use this philosophy often use a pitcher to get 6 or 9 outs late. Maybe turning Worley into a Scott Sheilds is what would be best for the team. Give him 4 outs last night to get to paps. I realize the downside is turning a legit no.3 starter into 3-6 out guy along with keeping Kendrick in the rotation but at this point unless the starters go at least 8 with the lead were gonna lose. Simple as that.

Or you could call up Diekman

NEPP, you are really going to keep beating the 'fire Cholly' drum? You're not that stupid.

On a game to game basis, you can blame a manager for things to a certain extent; for example, bunting them out of a go-ahead run on Monday. But when the same players keep failing over and over again, there isn't a manager in the world that could make a difference.

Their relief staff might be the worst in the major leagues, which is an impressive feat given that we have the most expensive 9th inning guy in the history of baseball. You could put Jesus Christ in the dugout and he wouldn't be able to shuffle the deck properly with the losers they have out in the bullpen.

Yeah I won't even attempt to rip Charlie for the bullpen aside for the weird use of Papelbon. Those guys are downright terrible out there.

***You could put Jesus Christ in the dugout and he wouldn't be able to shuffle the deck properly with the losers they have out in the bullpen.***

He couldnt hit a curveball either.

Cheer up, BL'rs! If we continue to play like this, we won't know the crushing disappointment of losing in the first round of the postseason. Since we won't make the postseason at all. The crushing disappointment of the season will fade eventually - it's a long season- and we'll shed our hopes and expectations that make this early going so wrenching. Right?

Maybe we can play so badly that we get to pick first in the draft.

Josh Hamilton is a free agent this winter and is looking to get PAID. . .

GBrettFan,

Enjoyed your post, which summed up some of the things I was brooding about driving into work.

I also think some of the pressure stems from what J has posted about - there really aren't any good answers. And they know that.

This is most of a team that won over 100 games last year and arguably, coulda, shoulda been WS champs.

Less than a year later and they are treading water and getting a bit desperate doing so. And I think they are savvy enough to know that although getting Howard and Utley back will help, it's not like they can depend on them playing at an all star level. Frankly, nobody really knows how much they will be able to play and how much they will be able to contribute.

A team that last year went out and played knowing they were going to take 2 out of 3 games in any given series is now playing as if they know the other shoe is going to drop at some point during the game.

We'll see.

The past few losses have me wondering if Tito is in the dugout and we've been sent back to the 90s.

Any chance tonite's game is actually played? Weather forecast doesn't look so swell and I bet the Phils would love to see it cancelled based on how they are playing.

Praying for rainouts? Hello rock bottom.

Carlos Lee and Jason Bay could be had if the Phils want them. Maybe Bay in CBP would find his stroke again?

pleasesteak is going to send me to counseling.

Things are looking dark at the moment, but I still think the Phils end up in the playoffs, even if it's a wildcard. With our starting pitching, the one game playoff doesn't put us at the same disadvantage as it does other teams. You can pitch Halladay last game of the year to clinch, Lee in a one game playoff and still come back with Hamels & Worely in games 1 & 2. I'm annoyed with this team at the moment, but I'm still confident we make the playoffs, and then it's anyone's game.

Bring in Buttermaker, Whurlitzer, and Leak. Those in season moves did wonders for the Bad News Bears and this Phillies team is in the same company.

Dear Ruben Amaro, Even during the Kevin Stocker years I watched the entire Phils broadcast or stayed the entire game....this year I have turned off the television early 7 times not including last 2 night and left the game early in both San Diego and Arizona....enough said.

Their relief staff might be the worst in the major leagues, which is an impressive feat given that we have the most expensive 9th inning guy in the history of baseball. You could put Jesus Christ in the dugout and he wouldn't be able to shuffle the deck properly with the losers they have out in the bullpen.

Posted by: Iceman | Wednesday, May 09, 2012 at 09:08 AM

Its amazing that we can have a 175 million dollar payroll, sign the best free agent closer to historic closer money, and end up with the worst bullpen in the majors and one of the worst offenses. Ego-Boy has quite the blueprint.

Things are looking dark at the moment, but I still think the Phils end up in the playoffs, even if it's a wildcard. With our starting pitching, the one game playoff doesn't put us at the same disadvantage as it does other teams. You can pitch Halladay last game of the year to clinch, Lee in a one game playoff and still come back with Hamels & Worely in games 1 & 2. I'm annoyed with this team at the moment, but I'm still confident we make the playoffs, and then it's anyone's game.

Posted by: Jbird | Wednesday, May 09, 2012 at 09:31 AM

Jbird, I agree to certan extent. However, no lead is safe with this team at all. And even with Halladay or Lee or Hamels giving you a good effort, if Howard and/or Utley cannot give you a boost, even a one gamer will be tough to win. Halladay has had back to back games with leads and we saw what happened there.


pleasesteak is going to send me to counseling.

Posted by: Joe D

I'm here for you. Call my office and schedule an appointment.

How many teams make the playoffs with bad pitching? Every team in the second season at least has 2 solid arms and they will hit better than this Phillies team so they will be able to put together a run or 2 and then it's game over.

Are you guys really content with just getting the 2nd wild card? This is what the goals are now?

Worst bullpen in the majors? I kinda doubt that. They've got Papelbon. Cubs are a mess just to name one.

Oh good, we've got a better bullpen than the Cubs.

Where is Jerry Spradlin when you need him? My man was always willing to take the ball.

The two LVP's

Mayberry and Rollins (Bullpen aside, which I would probably give to Amaro for completely neglecting it and adding a washed up Qualls. Papelbon was net zero addition considering closer was not an area of consider from last years team to this year)


I will further discuss Rollins in a subsequent post and the reasons I feel that resigning him was a mistake but first,

Mayberry - I think we are all seeing exactly what they Texas Rangers thought of John Mayberry Jr. 3 years with Stanford and 4 in their organization and not a single call up. Not one. He had a nice impact last year, but over an extended period of time, this guy is clearly not a major league hitter.

On the bullpen subject, I would argue that the Rockies bullpen is also worse than ours.

I would love to know from Ruben what type of production he was expecting from Mayberry. There is no way you can be a GM for an MLB team and think that a guy who bounced around the minors for years is all of a sudden going to get it at age 28 and help to fill the void left by your 3 and 4 hitters.

Joe, to be fair, he also thought that a platoon of Ben Francisco and Domonic Brown would cover RF for a WS aspiring ballclub.

I think that Jason needs to incorporate the Panic Button in all the thread header photos until further notice.

When you push the Panic Button, where is the buzzer at the other end? Is it in Ego Boy's office (bunker) where he's holed up until Utley and Howard return?

Joe, to be fair, he also thought that a platoon of Ben Francisco and Domonic Brown would cover RF for a WS aspiring ballclub.

Posted by: NEPP

Ugh, true.

Maybe Rube likes crappy AAAA players because he was a crappy AAAA player and he thinks that they will succeed if given the chance he thinks he was never given.

I don't know how much I fault anyone for Brown or Mayberry. This team has a ton of high-cost talent and needs to fill in the gaps with young and cheap players. Brown and Mayberry were the best guys available in the minors to play the outfield, and both showed flashes of real promise at times.

Worst winter of any GM ever, the miracle of Juan Pierre (who accounts for about 50% of our baserunners this season) notwithstanding.

I'm just waiting for Pierre to come back down to his true self.

Are you trying to imply that Juan Pierre isn't really a .340 hitter?

nepp- i think you're onto something with rube's attraction to marginal aaaa players.he was indeed one himself, and his out of control ego surely feels he would have been a competent major leaguer had he been given the chance. this surely explains a portion of his blindness to the realities of talent evaluation.

You're all a bunch of whiny ho's who think coming on here and complaining will change the roster or manager. Shut up and get back to your jobs, which you clearly aren't doing that well either if you've got time to come on here and stomp around like toddlers.

You're all a bunch of whiny ho's who think coming on here and complaining will change the roster or manager. Shut up and get back to your jobs, which you clearly aren't doing that well either if you've got time to come on here and stomp around like toddlers.

Posted by: Mac

Says the guy who is also taking the time to post here.

Thing is, most of the guys Amaro brought in are actually doing well. I have no complaints about Nix, Wigginton, Pierre, or Papelbon. Unfortunately Nix, Wigginton, and Pierre are being forced to start rather than be bench players and Papelbon's usage has been . . . sub-optimal.

I was trying to think of middle infield prospects of the past and wanted to do some checking up on them. One of them I just looked at...Jason Donald. Yeah, he's doing great..ha.

Now you know how Met fans have felt for the last five years or so playing the Phillies.

Thing is, most of the guys Amaro brought in are actually doing well. I have no complaints about Nix, Wigginton, Pierre, or Papelbon. Unfortunately Nix, Wigginton, and Pierre are being forced to start rather than be bench players and Papelbon's usage has been . . . sub-optimal.

Posted by: Jbird

Yeah they have been fine pieces and would make for a great bench if they could be used as such. The whole downfall of this season comes back to a complete lack of foresight on Ruben's part. He assumed Chase's knees would magically heal and he also assumed Mayberry wasn't a flash in the pan. Howard's setback was unexpected and unfortunate. The bullpen issues are glaring but coming into the year I felt good about Stutes and Bastardo as key cogs. Well maybe not so much Stutes since the wheels fell off on him as the innings piled up last season and of course now he's hurt.

Actually, Wigginton has been reverting to the mean for about 2 weeks now and it shows in every AB. He had his typical early season hot streak and is back to being a .600ish OPS hitter.

Joe D.: I think even with Mayberry, Amaro thought he had Brown and Nix as plans B and C. Who knew Brown would utterly fall apart in AAA (he's not the 1st guy to stagnate or "get bored" in AAA, at this point they should either promote him and play him or trade him).

Just about everyone on this blog was complaining this winter about the lack of a competent utility man though, considering the age and fragility of Utley, Rollins, & Polanco. For that, there is little excuse.

Don't look now but, Brett Myers is locking down the 9th inning in Houston. Sub - 1 ERA through the first 30 games.

on the bright side, at least we didn't sign Pujols. . . .

The drumbeat to fire Charlie Manuel is not completely unwarranted as he has been exposed as inadequate to meet the challenges of this roster. But, I'm not confident they'd be over .500 if someone else was running the show.

He won't get fired in May but, if they're under .500 in mid-June and Amaro is outlining trade scenarios where he's a seller, it will be considered. The critical consideration will be how it affects the locker room, not his tactical shortcomings. If management thinks it will shake some underachievers up, or if they think the players are disatisfied with Manuel's decisions, they'll do it. I think the chances are low, largely because he has those two huge pieces on the shelf and his veteran players may resent the perception that Manuel took the fall for something he couldn't control (and something the GM failed to compensate for).

I wouldn't mind seeing Houston do well, a final hurrah before they go to the AL.

I need a second team to cheer for. One more exciting than the Phillies have been so far. Not sure Houston fits the bill, and not sure I want to cheer for TX. Not the Nats. Ideas?

"There is no way you can be a GM for an MLB team and think that a guy who bounced around the minors for years is all of a sudden going to get it at age 28 and help to fill the void left by your 3 and 4 hitters."

Are you ignoring his 2ne half last year? I think we're all a little guilty of wishful thinking with Mayberry-that he could repeat his 2011 2nd half, but there was something "there" with him.

Don't look now, but with all the hand-wringing about LF, "washed up Ibanez" is doing decently in NY - despite reaching the point two years ago (according to MG and others) where he couldn't hit a fastball anymore.

NEPP: when exactly has Wigginton ever been a .600-ish OPS hitter?

Are you saying JC can't hit a curveball?

Wiggie and a bunch of Rube's guys are in the grand Phillie tradition of Wes Helms, Geoff Jenkins etc etc. - vets on their last legs and with nowhere else to go.

Don't look now but, Brett Myers is locking down the 9th inning in Houston. Sub - 1 ERA through the first 30 games.

Posted by: Hugh Mulcahy

Too late. I looked yesterday and got a good laugh.

That's fair, JBird....I should have said .700ish OPS player.

I actually think Utley deserves much more blame for this than he's getting. Rube should have been better prepared, for sure, but certainly Utley had a good idea that his knees were messed up this winter, and it seems like he should have been more forthcoming with the GM and trainers about what was going on. Instead, it was as if he suffered some freak injury when training camp started, which is not in fact what happened.

We have zero idea of what if any communication occurred between Utley and the Phillies during the off-season. Seems a bit unfair to toss Utley under the bus like that given those circumstances. From all published reports, his knees only flared up during fielding drills during the first week of Spring Training and until then, he was feeling 100%.

timr - You don't think Rube checked on Utley before dumping his only adequate backup infielder 2 weeks before camp?

I'm not advocating for firing Manuel. While the bullpen failures aren't quite his fault. And that abomination of a run down play, aside. (which caused me to immediately walk out of the stadium. The last time that happened? When Jose Mesa came in during NLDS Game 2 2007)

There's not much to like about this team right now, except Chooch, Cole and maybe Doc.

Blanton was struggling with the strike zone most of the night but got himself out of precarious positions, but the 7th was a real struggle. Thought it was interesting that Qualls was warming up in the 7th, then remembered that Mets were lefty heavy and Manuel was pulling the strings for a Bastardo.

But last night just some real bad at bats... Victorino popping up after Pierre stole second (fortunately hunter picked him up with the homer). The weak 3rd inning after scoring 4 runs, with carbon copy weak grounders to short. Rollins striking out with 2nd and 3rd after taking two pitches right over the plate.

None of that is going to be corrected by a new manager. But the fact that Manuel has no idea what to talk to them about? Maybe that's just telling Amaro, this is what you gave me. Good managers get more out of less. If this is a transition team, its going to require a manager that will be able to get more out of less. Its not the bench coach. Maybe its the guy at Lehigh. But I know its not Manuel.

While waiting for Howard and Utley may not right the ship, but it might put people back into their right spots. And maybe that's enough to get the lineup in order.

The bullpen... however is something Amaro has to be working on.

I thought what happened with Utley is that he was concentrating on staying off knees to rest them, doing light work, focusing on the one knee that most bothered him...only to discover, when he got to camp and tested them, that the other knee was acting up.

What I don't understand is why he wasn't visiting that doctor in AZ during the off-season. But I'm thinking he was trying a different course of treatment/exercise, agreed upon by docs and Utley himself. When that plan was found to have failed, he went a different route with the AZ guy.

I wonder whether he'd considered this treatment before or not. Sometimes it happens with health, that we think one thing will work, and it doesn't, so then we try something else. Look at Jayson Werth's wrist issue of years ago, when it was misdiagnosed and therefore not treated correctly, if I recall the story right.

Medicine is an art as much as a science.

But yes, it's frustrating that Utley didn't seem to realize a problem with that other knee until he got to camp. If he DID realize it and kept that info from the Phillies, that's negligence on his part, in my opinion.

Count me as skeptical about the Utley situation. Considering it took a matter of a few days in ST to "flare up", I'm not sure what I expect form him playing real baseball.

Joe, to be fair, he also thought that a platoon of Ben Francisco and Domonic Brown would cover RF for a WS aspiring ballclub.

Posted by: NEPP | Wednesday, May 09, 2012 at 10:12 AM

Very true. And to be honest, Jayson Werth saved his bacon in 08 considering that the big offensive upgrade was supposed to be Geee-off Jenkins.

nepp- i think you're onto something with rube's attraction to marginal aaaa players.he was indeed one himself, and his out of control ego surely feels he would have been a competent major leaguer had he been given the chance. this surely explains a portion of his blindness to the realities of talent evaluation.

Posted by: wes covington's ghost | Wednesday, May 09, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Ladies and gentleman, i believe ruben amaro is the GM version of Terry Francona.

In all seriousness, this has nothing to do with an infatuation. It has everything to do with a lack of available payroll, due to the fact that they gave long term deals ot 2 guys who aged much faster than they expected (which is a totally different debate, since they both took forever to get to the big leagues and already had a big lack of tread on those tires)

Does anyone know what's wrong with Mayberry? Change his swing? Chasing balls out of the zone? What's the difference between now and the 2nd half of last year?

Oh, by the way, Chad Qualls tweeted last night:

"Watched video tonight in order to get back to pitching like the first month. Gonna get locked back in!!!! #noworries"

For what it's worth. I'll believe it when I see it, but I of course hope it works, although I'm initially skeptical.

We've talked about it before, but it still surprises me that Utley's knee issue did not register on the radar until ST.

It just seems like considering the importance to the team and the team's plans, Rube and the team's docs would have been in regular communication with Chase about the state of his knees, and that they wouldn't have both been taken by total surprise at ST.

Could be the situation was handled as well as it possibly could have been, and it was an honest, luck of the draw situation. But I was skeptical at the time on how it was handled and remain so.

To be honest, I thought the platoon last year in RF had a great chance of working. Maybe not as well as Werth, but hopefully not a huge gaping hole in RF.

But then again, I'm the guy who posted a bullet point list about why the team seemed to be coming around on the day before they began the current losing streak.

GBrettFan, Chad Qualls is not going to improve. He's just not that good. He's adequate. As for your earlier post about rooting for Houston, I work in Houston and get to see or hear their games. They have a young lineup that play hard and with enthusiasm. Unfortunately, because they have signed a deal with the devil to switch leagues, they are no longer worthy of a Phillies fan support as they are now turncoat traiters to their league heritage. I guess that I am pissed because this may be the last year that I'll be able to attend a Phillies game for a long time.

I don't know about traitors to their league but, Houston switching leagues guarantees perpetual interleague play and, augurs the adoption of the DH rule in the NL. That's enough reason to resent the Lastros.

So Cole's attempt to fire this team up sure did resonate huh? Where's Jimmy been? He usually has a lot to say. I haven't really read articles or looked for postgame stuff though for the past few weeks because I'm so digusted.

Now clearly, his production is declining. I will admit, last year was something of a bounce back. He was still not near his 07/08 production but not bad. However, this seemed to be more anomaly than mitigating factor. So far for 2012, through 120+ ABs, his production is absolutely dismal. True, small sample size and possible pressure trying to hit 3rd should be taken into account. However, I don't believe it can be argued that through almost 1/5 of the season, Rollins has been worse than could have been imagined. The majority of other stats show a decline (which frankly is not exactly surprising). The argument however, has not necessarily been that Rollins isn't declining; its that even with the decline, he is still worth the money that it would take to resign him for both defense and what he can still bring defensively. It is this point that I am disagreement with. First, the team was facing a year with the possiblity of having their 2 major run producers with no reliable timetable. Secondly, and probably most importantly, the last couple years of the contract would be even more egregious and punitive for the Phillies than the first. I believe that other options were out there. Here are two other options that I would have considered comparables that could have saved this franchise money (opportunity to improve elsewhere) and years (flexibility) without actually losing that much in the way of offense and arguably defense.

Furcal
2 yrs $14M 2012 - $6M (1 yr less and $5M saved in 2012)

2011 .255/.316/.418
2012 .342/.409/.496

Scutaro
1 yr $6M - Could have been acquired from the Red Sox for next to nothing; would have saved $5M with no future risk

2011 .299/.358/.423
2012 .263/.311/.325

Jamey Carroll
2 yrs $6.5M 2012 - $2.75M Would have been very low risk and saved $8.25M and a whole year

2011 .290/.359/.347
2012 .224/.314/.271

Or Freddy Galvis
Salary - Who cares Hell he costs you nothing, and he's actuall slugging better than Rollins. He's giving you just slightly less nothing than you're getting from Rollins anyway. And I guarantee you that the combination of Galvis and a productive bat would be a whole lot better than the combination of Galvis and Rollins.

2012 .189/.215/.289

All of these options are giving you the same or better so far this year. They all have arguably better recent years and they all are low cost low risk. I'm tired of hearing how the Phils had no options. This was a lazy move for a guy who is just about washed up.

(Sorry top of my post got cut off. Sorry for the length. But who cares its 11:35 on a Wednesday morning, so if you're on the blog, you have time to read this)

Rollins.

I contend that the Phillies should have let Rollins walk, and could have replaced him with a free agent who would have been able to provide veteran defense and would be no worse off offensively, for significantly less years and money, freeing up cash for a Cuddyer signing or possibly for resigning Hamels. And I think the stats are quite telling.

Rollins Slash Line MVP year (07) to present

2007 .296/.344/.531
2008 .277/.349/.437
2009 .250/.296/.423
2010 .243/.320/.374
2011 .268/.338/.399
2012 .223/.275/.264

Rollins new contract 3 yrs $38M 2012 - $11M

Now clearly, his production is declining. I will admit, last year was something of a bounce back. He was still not near his 07/08 production but not bad. However, this seemed to be more anomaly than mitigating factor. So far for 2012, through 120+ ABs, his production is absolutely dismal. True, small sample size and possible pressure trying to hit 3rd should be taken into account. However, I don't believe it can be argued that through almost 1/5 of the season, Rollins has been worse than could have been imagined. The majority of other stats show a decline (which frankly is not exactly surprising). The argument however, has not necessarily been that Rollins isn't declining; its that even with the decline, he is still worth the money that it would take to resign him for both defense and what he can still bring defensively. It is this point that I am disagreement with. First, the team was facing a year with the possiblity of having their 2 major run producers with no reliable timetable. Secondly, and probably most importantly, the last couple years of the contract would be even more egregious and punitive for the Phillies than the first. I believe that other options were out there. Here are two other options that I would have considered comparables that could have saved this franchise money (opportunity to improve elsewhere) and years (flexibility) without actually losing that much in the way of offense and arguably defense.

Furcal
2 yrs $14M 2012 - $6M (1 yr less and $5M saved in 2012)

2011 .255/.316/.418
2012 .342/.409/.496

Scutaro
1 yr $6M - Could have been acquired from the Red Sox for next to nothing; would have saved $5M with no future risk

2011 .299/.358/.423
2012 .263/.311/.325

Jamey Carroll
2 yrs $6.5M 2012 - $2.75M Would have been very low risk and saved $8.25M and a whole year

2011 .290/.359/.347
2012 .224/.314/.271

Or Freddy Galvis
Salary - Who cares Hell he costs you nothing, and he's actuall slugging better than Rollins. He's giving you just slightly less nothing than you're getting from Rollins anyway. And I guarantee you that the combination of Galvis and a productive bat would be a whole lot better than the combination of Galvis and Rollins.

2012 .189/.215/.289

All of these options are giving you the same or better so far this year. They all have arguably better recent years and they all are low cost low risk. I'm tired of hearing how the Phils had no options. This was a lazy move for a guy who is just about washed up.

Amaro is a bad GM. It's that simple. He makes the splashy move, not the intelligent move, & when it comes to identifying potential weaknesses & filling in the pieces has been an abject failure. I'd almost feel bad for Phillies ownership -- who have finally loosened their purse strings -- but it's the insular, reward-the-ass-kisser mentality of the franchise as a whole which handed Stanford a job he wasn't fit to hold in the first place.

JRide: People supported re-signing Rollins because they were thinking w/ their hearts & not their heads. The same increasingly appears to be true RE: Thome, but J-Roll will prove a far larger mistake in both the short & long terms.

Amaro is a bad GM. It's that simple. He makes the splashy move, not the intelligent move, & when it comes to identifying potential weaknesses & filling in the pieces has been an abject failure. I'd almost feel bad for Phillies ownership -- who have finally loosened their purse strings -- but it's the insular, reward-the-ass-kisser mentality of the franchise as a whole which handed Stanford a job he wasn't fit to hold in the first place.

Posted by: GTown_Dave

Amen. I've been saying for years that the guy doesn't know how to build a team. Anyone can sign a check. Anyone. Pat Gillick is Pat Gillick and a hall of famer because he was able to make those calculated small outside-of-the-box moves. I have zero faith in Ruben to be able to do that and I have even less faith in his ability to restock this farm system. I wanted Arbuckle from day one and now it's all coming full circle.

Now time to read JRide's essay.

Good post JRide. I was one of the people who wanted Rollins back and was putting a lot of stock in his defense and what I thought were leadership qualities. I was dead wrong. I hate myself for it. They clearly needed to go a different direction because the offense is just in neutral and the engine is the same broken down one. The contract really hurts now but you are right that in a few years it is going to be devastating. I wonder if anyone would even want him in a trade. They'd have to eat a ton of money but this team just needs a changing of the guard.

Thanks GTown

Its like they read a few articles on the internet about how pitching is the most important part of a baseball team and decided to go batsh*t crazy.

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