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Thursday, April 05, 2012

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If you believe Brooks Baseball Pitch fx tool and their pitch classification, Halladay didn't throw a single 4-seam fastball all day today.

22 curves,
54 cutters,
11 splits
5 two-seam fastball (his 2-seemer is more like a sinker than a screwball)

I thought he threw a few changeups today (tough to classify a split vs. changeup at times). Guess not.

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/pfx.php?month=4&day=5&year=2012&game=gid_2012_04_05_phimlb_pitmlb_1%2F&pitchSel=136880&prevGame=gid_2012_04_05_phimlb_pitmlb_1%2F&prevDate=45

Didn't see the game but it sounds like Roy was awesome.

27 outs without a hit, called a hidden no-hitter, is what Doc did today. Not sure the Phillies record for the most consecutive innings pitched without allowing a hit, but Doc stands at 8 right now.

For what it's worth, I'd call his two seam a sinker. Reason being, in MLB 2k11, he was on the cover, and may have had some say on little things. Not that a videogame is the definitive answer, but for what it's worth, he also has a split-changeup.

Not a great day for me in my fantasy points league, had Pence, Vic, McCutchen, and Paul Walker, all pulling down 0-for's.

Uh, Neil, not Paul, unless he's living his life one quarter mile at a time.

Doc looked great and didn't appear to be the same guy who starts slowly in April, which was frequently noted in every baseball article.

Dan: 24 Outs w/out a Hit. You see, Charlie pulled Doc in the 9th for Papelbon ...

sdphillie: That's what you get for putting an actor on your fantasy team.

GTown, Yeah, I mean Doc and Pap, of course.

MG: Doc's split is his changeup, isn't it? I don't think he throws a split-finger fastball.

Great game for the pitchers. Tough game for "End each inning you bat" Galvis. Nice to see Mayberry start good and Chooch blazing hot out of the gate! We're in for another fun ride for 2012!

Missed the game - decided to check the game thread to see what happened. I got this far:

It's about to be 3-0.

Posted by: bay_area_phan | Thursday, April 05, 2012 at 01:48 PM


And then decided that maybe it would be too painful to read the rest.

So tell me, how much did the Phils lose by?

DH Phils - I am pretty certain it is. I know the variation of the changeup that Hallday throws is a 'split changeup' and not a circle changeup.

For what it is worth on Wikipedia (peanut gallery of knowledge):

"But since joining the Phillies in 2010, Halladay started throwing a change-up pitch that is really a version of the split-finger fastball (called a split-change) that he uses as a strikeout pitch with the help of pitching coach Rich Dubee"

So either way if Brooks is right not a single Pirates' hitter saw a single straight pitch today.

Why you earn you money at the MLB level and it is tough as hard as hell to stay for a prolonged stretch.

"Doc . . . didn't appear to be the same guy who starts slowly in April, which was frequently noted in every baseball article."

This sent me on Internet searches, since it seemed so completely at odds with the guy I've seen look absolutely brilliant for the last 2 Aprils. Turns out there is a tiny kernel of truth to the statement; his career April ERA is 3.70 -- the highest in any month. But this is an example of career numbers being utterly misleading.

The reason his career April ERA is 3.70 is because, in the years 1999 to 2002, his April ERA was 6.03 -- including a 10+ in 2000, the year he got sent back to AAA & completely changed his delivery. Since 2003, his April record is 27-10, and his season-by-season April ERAs have been: 3.51, 3.40,2.84, 2.28, 3.26, 3.75, 1.80, and 2.14. In short, if an article said that Doc is generally a slow starter, then whoever wrote that article was simply lazy.

I would love to see Blanton this year throw his 4-seamer fastball as little as possible too.

Blanton doesn't have Halladay's level of command/control or movement on his offspeed stuff. He does have a small arsenal of effective offspeed stuff.

Everything worked out great.

Don't forget, it's the Pirates too. I don't know why, but for some reason Pittsburgh has given the Phils a lot of trouble for the past 3-4 seasons. I can't remember the last time we actually one a series out there.

MG: Halladay's killer pitch today was his curve. I don't think I've ever seen him with a better curve. It had sharp break and was catching the plate. The hitters couldn't touch it.

I dont get that hidden no hitter thing... doc only got 24 outs..

clout - Agreed. Both starters had very good curves today. Pretty rare you see that nowadays in the world of changeup/slider starters everywhere.

It really pisses me off when 'Jeopardy!' answers are left unread because they "ran out of time". If the ignorant "get to know the contestants" jabber were eliminated, & Trebek shut the hell up once in awhile, there would be plenty of time.

Doc didn't have the hidden no-hitter. The Phillies had a hidden no-hitter. Pitching staffs can combine for no-hitters, perfect games, and the like. This was one of those cases. 24outs Doc, 3outs Pappy.

GTown: I have a source at Jeopardy! and he/she tells me that the answer was: "Bringing in your closer to replace a starter who is pitching an 8-hitting shutout, hasn't allowed a hit since the 2nd batter of the game, and has thrown only 93 pitches."

The question was: "What is moronic?"

We are going to be using him in plenty of ninth :innings. Why not save him when you can? Papelbon is getting paid 50 million dollars.

Adam: I was just having some fun -- although I do think it was stupid to pull him at only 93 pitches when he was absolutely cruising. Every time you make a pitching change, you run the risk that the new guy will be off his game.

The one thing I can muster in defense of the move, however, is that I distinctly recall a few games last year in which Halladay suddenly lost it in the 9th after dominating for the first 8. There was the 14-strikeout game in San Diego where Bastardo had to come in & bail him out during a very rocky 9th. And there was another one against the D-Backs, where he lost in the 9th after 8 innings of dominance.

b_a_p: It is abundantly clear to me why Charlie has never been a contestant on 'Jeopardy!'.

... I distinctly recall a few games last year in which Halladay suddenly lost it in the 9th after dominating for the first 8.

I remember those games, too, which is why I thought I felt it would be prudent to allow Halladay to start the 9th w/ Papelbon up in the 'pen. That said, it wouldn't have proved necessary to bring Papelbon into the game. Halladay was feelin' it.

I probably border on the pathological when it comes to scrutinizing Cholly's pitching decisions especially his bullpen usage.

Don't get the scrutiny about the Papelbon save in the 9th today either way.

In favor of Papelbon - Halladay was coming off a spring training start that was rain-delayed & he only got 2 IP of work in. Cholly said after the game he was only looking to have Halladay throw 100-105 pitches today max. Not sure if Halladay finishes the game anyways.

Papelbon is Papelbon and simply doesn't blow saves that much at all.

In favor of Halladay - Dominance including not giving up a hit after the 1st. Hadn't given up a hard hit ball since the 6th inning. Pitch count was only at 92. Cholly has repeatedly run Halladay out there with pitch counts as a secondary concern with Halladay quite often.

Either way there is plenty of sound evidence/logic to support either decision.

Save the criticism for Cholly when he does some suspect stuff like needlessly run Halladay out there for the 8th-9th in a game they are down 2 runs. Or leave in a guy like Blanton too long or let Savery face too many RH batters.

Dan in Philly: "Not sure the Phillies record for the most consecutive innings pitched without allowing a hit, but Doc stands at 8 right now."

Many Phillies, including Doc, have pitched no-hitters. So the record is certainly at least 9. Likely more. Much more.

Choosing between Doc and Pap is splitting hairs. If this had been June I would 100% agree with leaving Doc in there - he was a machine. But it isn't June, it's April, and he hasn't pitched anywhere near 100 pitches since October, so pulling him after 93 if ok with me.

They also have an off-day tomorrow too. It is not like Cholly is practicing his 'we have to focus on just winning today' with a strong possibility he uses Papelbon (and would use him Thurs.) so that he wouldn't be available for the final game in the series if necessary.

Cholly also made the right call with Mayberry in LF today. Pierre doesn't make those 2 catches and very possibly one of those 2 XBHs comes across home.

When MG is talking sense into you regarding bullpen management, it's time to take a step back and reconsider your position.

I enjoy watching pitchers complete games, especially when it was a masterpiece like Doc today. But it's April and we've got a dominant closer with a rubber arm. Try to have some perspective.

It actually infuriates me more when Manuel leaves Lee or Halladay in to finish the last one or two outs of a 7th or 8th inning when they are clearly gassed, but he doesn't feel like he's got anyone available in the bullpen that he can trust. Save your rage for those games, because I'm sure there will be plenty of them this summer.

I know I have criticized the Papelbon signing (the dollar amounts and length), but I would never actually criticize getting this guy. He is the best closer in the game today (with Kimbrel a close second). Whenever you have a chance to put him in the game, it's really hard to argue against it.

It was the first start of the season for Doc, he's now 35 years old, and Papelbon is being paid $50 M to slam the door shut against lowly teams like the Pirates (which he did). Really no reason to rail against Charlie for that decision. Both decisions would have been defensible, as MG says, but this decision was the better decision. With an off day tomorrow and a 1 run lead, let Paps go in there, shut them down, and get on with life. Not very much reason to push Doc past 100 pitches, especially this early in the season.

And how about the Jays/Indians first game of the season...16 freaking innings. Yunel Escobar had 8 friggin ABs.

You guys will have to clue me in since I couldn't watch and only see the box score, how the heck did Doc have a "hidden no hitter" if he gave up 2 hits?

Puzzle me colored.

Cliff: I think they're referring to the fact that, within the 2-hitter, Doc & Papelbon combined to pitch 9 full hitless innings in succession. The 2 hits were by the first 2 batters of the game.

BAP: Ahhh. Thank you. That makes a little more sense to me.

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Fatalotti: Kimbrel > Mo??

Down on the LHV farm Tyler Cloyd threw 6 perfect frames tonight. Rest of the pen (Aumont, Diekman, Schwimmer) combined for 3 innings of one hit ball. Offense was dead most of the game. Brown went 0-4 with 2 K's.

(Lack of) offense is highly overrated. 90 more games like this will get us to October.

GBrettFan-
Just read through that Baseball / Genesisllink you posted in the game thread.
Good Stuff!

Scotch Man: Right on brother. More important than today's Phils game is the minor-league box scores.

Seb Valle went 2-3 with a HR and a BB for Reading in his AA debut.

Andrew, it was a tough call, and Mo still had a ridiculous SO/BB ratio last year (8.8 K/9, 1.2 BB/9), but he's going to be 42 this year, and Kimbrel is going to be 24. When your ages are opposites of one another, and you are the younger guy with a career 15.4 K/9 (remember, Ks play very well in the late innings), I just feel like I should go with the younger guy.

I almost feel bad for Cole..The Phillies even when they had a potent offense didnt score for him...now with a Meh offense i imagine the problem will compound itself..I also think this is why Rube went with Papelhead...he already envisioned these 2-1, 3-2 games guess he figured best to put them in the best position to win with arguably the best closer available..

1 down, 99 more to go. ;-)

Luis: Because he anticipated Utley being out indefinitely.

Fata: I feel that. I just think Mo's tenure grants him certain titles until he shows otherwise.

Hey fellers -- sorry about the pessimistic prediction post. Regardless, things can go bad very quickly if a team is not smart enough to play to its strengths, and here's the worst part -- have enough depth to overcome key injuries.

Whatever. What a win today. This can only get better if we see:

• JMH hit
• Victorino think (if only!) before his next wild impulse
• Chooch chase a batting title. Or at least an .890 OPS
• Mr. Galvis play stellar defense and hit .245; and last but not least:
• Jimmy Rollins doing the things that keep this team in "swagger" mode. If he keeps bunting and finally draws in the infield, one of his line shots to the gap might just hit an infielder. That would be ugly.

The Phillies could win 78. Or 98. Right now, it's flat-out impossible to say. Glad to see Roy Halladay don’t need no steeenkin’ 95 mph heat to just mow down opposing batters. Amazing athlete!

Go Doc. Go Phils.

Hey fellers -- sorry about the pessimistic prediction post. Regardless, things can go bad very quickly if a team is not smart enough to play to its strengths, and here's the worst part -- have enough depth to overcome key injuries.

Whatever. What a win today. This can only get better if we see:

• JMH hit
• Victorino think (if only!) before his next wild impulse
• Chooch chase a batting title. Or at least an .890 OPS
• Mr. Galvis play stellar defense and hit .245; and last but not least:
• Jimmy Rollins doing the things that keep this team in "swagger" mode. If he keeps bunting and finally draws in the infield, one of his line shots to the gap might just hit an infielder. That would be ugly.

The Phillies could win 78. Or 98. Right now, it's flat-out impossible to say. Glad to see Roy Halladay don’t need no steeenkin’ 95 mph heat to just mow down opposing batters. Amazing athlete!

Go Doc. Go Phils.

Wow. Spontaneous double post. Wayyy past my bedtime.

Actually, the most salient stat line from tonight's minor league action is: Jose Contreras (for Clearwater) -- 0.2 IP, 2 hits, 1 walk, 1 HR allowed, 3 ER.

I vividly remember Lidge getting similarly lit up during his minor league rehab starts early last year, yet he eventually rounded into shape & pitched pretty well for us. So it's certainly possible the same thing could happen with Contreras. But Contreras is also much older than Lidge & is coming off what I gather to be a much more serious injury. You can color me extremely skeptical that we're going to get anything at all out of him this year.

That's weird -- "JMH" = "JMJ" No idea how that happened. Maybe it's time to start editing in Word pad or some other text editor.

I am a Dom Brown booster, but imagine his playing LF yesterday.

Good Morning!

The way that game played out felt kinda familiar.

Scary thought, Derek. (I am not a Dom Brown booster.)

Have a Good Friday.

Teams like to have certainty. Utley gives the Phils anything but.

His contract expires at the end of 2013. It pains me to write this, but I am for letting go Utley and his $15 million contract if the Phils can pick up a decent replacement. Otherwise, I'd give him one-year contracts with a low base plus incentives.

If I'm Utley, do I continue to play 2B, do I switch positions, do I go to the AL as a DH, or do I retire because I can no longer play up to the high standard I set for myself?

Anyone surprised Clint Hurdle didn't opt to walk Ruiz to face Freddy Galvis ?

"You can color me extremely skeptical that we're going to get anything at all out of him this year."

BAP? Skeptical? Say it ain't so.

I think Utley is traded this offseason to an AL team to DH. He is cooked in the field.

On a completely serious note: How many 1-0 games do the Phils' play this year? I say several.

I have hated Boston for my entire life, and Jonathan Papelbon was always one of the more loathsome characters on the team to me. For that reason, I never really focused on how good he was between rooting for him to blow every save in every ninth inning he was a part of.

Well, getting to see him pitch and actually appreciate it, I am definitely impressed, especially with the pinpoint control of his fastball. I've made no secret of my appreciation for Brad Lidge, but how many people would've been comfortable with him pitching to McCutchen yesterday in the ninth? Papelbon went to work on him like it was nothing. Got ahead and didn't even come close to making a mistake.

The only fear I have with him is that Manuel is going to see how dominant he is against NL lineups, along with how thin the rest of the bullpen is, and just wear the living hell out of him the next few years.

BAP: The results from Contreras are irrelevant. Unless you were there or have read something from someone that was there and has a report on how he threw, then there's nothing to add here.

I actually expect Contreras back by the latter half of the month and think he will end up contributing. Just a hunch.

"In short, if an article said that Doc is generally a slow starter, then whoever wrote that article was simply lazy."


bap, thank you.

The laziness of sportswriters who don't bother to look past the surface is one of my pet peeves. I posted the other
day about Philly.com's Ed Barkowitz (or "No-wits" if you prefer) because he printed somthing that was factually inaccurate and easy to disprove/verify.

It happens in other areas of the media as well. It's their f8888ng job and they don't take the time to make sure basic facts are accurate.

Lazy.

'He did that for eight innings, for 92 pitches. And when pitching coach Rich Dubee walked up to tell him he was done, "I didn't fight him," Halladay said.

"In spring training, your seven innings of up and downs can be different," he said. "So I understand at this point.

"A couple weeks from now, though, I'm going to fight him."

MG -- Who cares? Maybe 50? [/sarcasm] Seriously, maybe baseball's not as fun with offensive output down league-wide. However, if we win, why care how? This must be a lot like '68 -- right before they lowered the mound.

Regardless of my off-season and Spring Training snits, with Galvis and JMJ flashing the leather and our pitching, who knows? Maybe another big season, sans our #3 and #4 hitters. Truly a season worth watching.

"I probably border on the pathological when it comes to scrutinizing Cholly's pitching decisions especially his bullpen usage."


MG, as you are aware, many here, myself included, have implied that you ought to seek some counselling for this problem.

"...border on the pathological..." is a gross understatement, as your pathology knows no boundaries.

Jack: "More important than today's Phils game is the minor-league box scores."

Just like a walk is more important than a HR?

"Cholly also made the right call with Mayberry in LF today. Pierre doesn't make those 2 catches and very possibly one of those 2 XBHs comes across home."


From Bill James 1988 Abstract:

Primer #10: "A great deal of what is perceived as being pitching is in fact defense."

***His contract expires at the end of 2013. It pains me to write this, but I am for letting go Utley and his $15 million contract if the Phils can pick up a decent replacement. Otherwise, I'd give him one-year contracts with a low base plus incentives.***

Brandon Phillips is a FA this winter...I could see a scenario where Utley is traded and Phillips is signed as his replacement.

Good morning!

I posted this yesterday, but thought I'd repost the link today, an off-day, for your enjoyment. (Seems very odd to have a day off after only 1 game.) It begins: "In the big inning, God created Heaven and Earth." It's a rewrite of Genesis with a baseball theme.

http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/opening-day-genesis#.T32s59B2DBw.twitter

***I have hated Boston for my entire life, and Jonathan Papelbon was always one of the more loathsome characters on the team to me. For that reason, I never really focused on how good he was between rooting for him to blow every save in every ninth inning he was a part of. ***

Since he became a closer, he's been the best closer in baseball not named Mo. There's a decent gap between his level and the next level down.

cut_f: "Regardless of my off-season and Spring Training snits, with Galvis and JMJ flashing the leather and our pitching, who knows? Maybe another big season"

Whoever predicted that after 1 win, cut_f would be predicting a great season was dead on, hah, unbelievable ppl can be so predictable.

Anyone surprised Clint Hurdle didn't opt to walk Ruiz to face Freddy Galvis ?

Posted by: JMB | Friday, April 06, 2012 at 08:14 AM

Yes, that was insanely stupid. If Cholly made the same call, we'd all hear about it until April 2015.

I wasn't surprised. Clint Hurdle has a strong rep as a great clubhouse guy and a pretty suspect tactician including his days as the Rockies' manager.

Walking Chooch was the no-brainer especially with how locked in he is at the plate and the strong possibility Bedard got have gotten a K or infielder grounder vs Galvis preventing the run from coming home/making an out at the plate.

On pulling Doc: I believe it was the right move. Protect the Aces for their first few starts. Let them get back into the regular season routine before you start to push them.

I didn't see Papelbon, but it sounds like RAJ made the correct decision about closer. Lidge's save yesterday had a strong wind save a HR off a fat fastball. (turned into a 3B as Werth let it get away) His slider was nasty as usual. (last out was a called strike on a 3-2 fastball on the corner low and way)

You especially walk Chooch because you then have a slow runner on 1B who makes a double play very easy to turn...as Hurdle was shown twice earlier in the game.

I was shocked they didnt walk him until someone mentioned that Hurdle was their manager...which I had forgotten. Hurdle is an idiot so it wasnt a surprise.

Charlie said Doc was only stretched out to 80-85 in spring and if he left him in another inning, Doc may have been pushed to 110 or so if he got in trouble. He didn't feel it necessary to do that, especially with a closer of Pap's caliber ready to pitch.

Doc also said he didn't have a problem with it because of how stretched out he is... but in a few weeks, he'll fight to stay in.

"I was shocked they didnt walk him until someone mentioned that Hurdle was their manager...which I had forgotten. Hurdle is an idiot so it wasnt a surprise."


I think Hurdle was afraid of Cholly going to his big right-handed stick on the bench. Ohh, that's right...we had no right-handed hitters on the bench yesterday.

Its why I don't think RFD and Wigginton can be in the lineup at the same time. One of them needs to be on the bench, for a situation just like that. We had a bench yesterday with 5 left-handed hitters on it.


denny: wll to be fair, Schneider and Orr hit lefties as well as they do righties...

For the several diehard Pirates' fans left, they did rip Hurdle and he his move.

One of them did make an interesting point in that Mayberry started slow & had really awkward routes on those balls Walker and Barmes hit to the warning track.

MG - I noticed the same thing. Mayberry's athleticism more than made up for his awkward routes to the balls.

One of them did make an interesting point in that Mayberry started slow & had really awkward routes on those balls Walker and Barmes hit to the warning track.

MG: True, but Mayberry caught 'em both. I'm not sure if Pierre would have, but I am absolutely certain Brown would not.

Brown would have likely killed a fan...does Pittsburgh really want that?

***Mayberry's athleticism more than made up for his awkward routes to the balls. ***

Dont worry, Shane has been working with him on route running.

About Utley and his future:

He's not gonna get traded. He's not gonna have a job after 2013. He's going to retire when his contract is up. He doesn't hit well enough for power now to justify a DH role, so the AL is out.

He's got chondromalacia in both knees now. This is a degenerative knee condition, one which the cure is almost worse than the disease. The surgical treatment is to remove the patella of both his knees, reshape them, and reinsert them. And there's no guarantee it will work, in fact it's more likely he'll buy himself a couple years playing time then have problems walking for the rest of his life. I don't think a team could offer him a contract that would make this worthwhile.

The alternative is managing the pain, alleviating it, like he's doing. If you're not a pro athlete, this problem isn't a big deal at all. But because he's a professional athlete, he can't do the one real cure for it: rest the knees until the swelling goes down. That's the only effective way. It works for people who run or train if they're not professionals, because they can afford to spend time off the leg and not stress the joint. You can do your full time job with no real problems. But with all the lateral movement he does in the infield, he can't get away from it. His "job" requires a lot of stressful motion.

Phillips is getting extended this week anyway per MLBTradeRumors...5 years, $65 million.

Hopefully Utley's rehab works.

MG: Yeah, when I watched the highlights of Mayberry's catches, I didn't take them as extraordinary plays as much as I thought they were great recoveries on a late jump/read.

But I will admit that DOM or Ibanez likely dont make the plays, so hats off to RFD for having the ability to recover.

Here's some off-day convo material from yesterday's Evening Bridge:

This morning’s Weekend Media Blast from Bernstein Research’s Craig Moffett et al is titled Sports Tears. Here’s the gist (and everyone in our eco-system should pay attention to this): “The ridiculous escalation in sports rights is getting to be an old story. But lately it has gone to unimagined proportions. Unchecked, it threatens to blow the entire media model apart. The prices paid to the teams get passed along to cable and satellite companies as affiliate fees, and are in turn passed along to consumers in take-it-or-leave-it packages regardless of whether customers are or aren’t sports fans. As we have long noted in this space, the biggest threat to the existing media ecosystem is affordability, and it is sports, above all else, that is driving the affordability crisis. Live sports programming currently accounts for about 20% of all viewing hours, according to a recent report from Nielsen. But by our estimates, sports programming accounts for about half of all programming costs. And an even larger percentage of programming cost growth.” ---

TNA: so what do they suggest, some type of pay - per channel subscription system where nonsports fan can simply opt out of sports channels to save on their bill?

RFD may be able to play the OF, unlike his father, but he never had a song written about him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNsu8h0sEUE

For what it's worth, being at the game yesterday, I can say that Mayberry had some significant sun glare to battle.

My cable bill is gone. I live in chicago so to watch the phillies i use mlb.tv. Now they have it for xbox and i can stream it right to my tv. I also can pay about $3 an episode to watch something i really want to watch(like madmen) they day after it airs. Anything else, i can pretty much find online and stream in some manner. I like having the choice to pay for what programming i actually want to watch(though i do think OTA should stay free of course, mostly for local news and pbs).

Godfather: Good post. Utley's condition cannot get better, there is no cure and the best he can do is to slow down the inevitable continued deterioration.

How much he can slow it down and how many games it will allow him to play and for how many years are all unknowable.

As such, his trade value would be near zero.

About the only thing we can say for certain about Utley is that he will have a double knee replacement operation sometime within the next 10 years.

BTW, I was on the road yesterday and didn't catch the game.

I just saw Mayberry's catches on the highlight reel and have to disagree with others as to his route running.

In the case of the LHH (think it was Walker), it looks like he went to the spot where he thought the ball was headed, but the ball was slicing so he had to adjust. That happens all the time.

In the other one off the RHH (Barmes I believe) he looked like he slightly misjudged how far the ball was going to carry. (Was it windy yesterday.)

In both cases, at least on the highlight reel, I didn't see any eggregiously bad rout running.

..."route" running.


One last thought: While they were nice plays by Mayberry, IMO neither one of them was horribly difficult.

DP, good point on the sun glare, which doesn't show up on the hightlight videos.

I would have walked Ruiz too, but perhaps Hurdle was thinking that, if he walked Ruiz, the next hitter would not have been Galvis, but Thome or Pierre.

Its why I don't think RFD and Wigginton can be in the lineup at the same time. One of them needs to be on the bench, for a situation just like that. We had a bench yesterday with 5 left-handed hitters on it.


Posted by: denny b. | Friday, April 06, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Then you exchange 3 or 4 at-bats in a guaranteed ideal situation for the possibility of one in an ideal situation. That isn't smart baseball. Assume Mayberry was on your bench, you lose 3 at-bats and use him to pinch hit for Galvis (in the theoretical at-bat) and the Pirates bring in a right-hander to counteract. The Phils could then use another left-handed bat. You would lose Mayberry's 4 at-bats entirely.

shakes - That's true but right now the Phils' bench late if there is a LH starter is pretty lacking.

Nix - Poor PH option. Utterly useless vs LH

Thome - Ok (.233 AVG/.793 OPS last years vs LHP) but I imagine Cholly will try to save for a RH reliever. I would too.

Schneider - Concede the out.

Pierre - Yeah I know he has those favorable numbers vs LH pitching. Probably the guy that gets the nod as the first PH option.

Orr - 'Scrapiness' isn't a quality useful for a PH.

It is a ridiculously LH bench. Most LH bench I can remember the Phils having in recent memory if there is a LH starter on the mound.

dennyb: "[Mayberry or Wigginton] needs to be on the bench, for a situation just like that. We had a bench yesterday with 5 left-handed hitters on it."

Good point.

shakes: "Then you exchange 3 or 4 at-bats in a guaranteed ideal situation for the possibility of one in an ideal situation."

Also a good point.

BAP's middle-ground solution, which was obvious to everyone except the Phillies' brass: instead of carrying the horrible, and LH to-boot, Pete Orr, carry another RH bat on your bench (like, say, Hector Luna). In the meantime, you've got Juan Pierre, who can hit LH pitching exceptionally well -- paraticularly in a situation like yesterday's, where all you need is a single.

I love Papelbon closing for the Phil's, and he's clearly on a tier to himself. However, Mariano Rivera is the best closer in baseball until he isn't. The man is quite possibly better at his job than anyone else in baseball.

denny b. - Although the bench had five lefty bats, Thome and Pierre can hit lefty pitchers.

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