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Tuesday, April 10, 2012

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RB: My thoughts are that suspending Ozzie was a political decision based on what Jbird said. It was a very stupid comment to make when you work in Miami. They're trying to build attendance, not dwindle it.

However, Ozzie shouldn't be suspended for saying he likes Castro - It's like blacklisting Hollywood directors who'd ever been members of the Communist party. It's his perogative.

I can understand the Marlins asking him to apologize publicly, however.

Nepp: re: Guillen and Castro: what would happen to you at work if you were interviewed by a major trade publication and during your interview you elaborated on how much admiration you have for the tenacity of the Klan and how they've endured through the years. You'd probably be in for more than a 5 day suspension.

Still, suspending him is pretty asinine...he should be entitled to his opinions as stupid as they might be. And to be honest, those same people whining about Castro probably had no issues with the tactics their families enjoyed under Bautista who was just as bad a dictator but he was their dictator so it was okay. Basically, nobody in baseball should give a damn about Ozzie Guillen's opinions when it comes to Latin America/Caribbean Geo Political studies.

Posted by: NEPP

You're not entitled to your opinion when you're speaking to the public representing an organization that's paying you money. Do you think Charlie can get up in a Phillies uniform and speak his mind about politics or gay marriage, etc and go unpunished? The organization controls what comes out and when you go against the grain you're punished.

Of course he wouldn't go unpunished...I'm just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy present in S. Florida's Cuban population.


Also, the above comparison of Castro to the KKK is apples/oranges.

Freedom of speech in the Bill of Rights only pertains to the Federal Government. It does not apply to your employer.

***Freedom of speech in the Bill of Rights only pertains to the Federal Government. It does not apply to your employer.***

Well aware of that...the suspension is still stupid.

NEPP: not a political blog, but let's not pretend that Castro didn't run a brutal, repressive, and murderous regime that has propagated misery and poverty not only on his own island, but across the globe.

Well, this thread looks like fun.

Guillen made a stupid comment in a place that was bound to inflame some people. He makes that in Chicago and people don't really care that much.

Reality is that most younger Cubans from polls I have seen are indifferent to Castro because they have no personal connections to the island anymore.

It is just the old Cubans who fleed in the early 60s and some of the boat wave immigrants in the early 80s when Castro emptied his jails & sent them to South Florida.

I wrongly assumed it was MLB that suspended Ozzie, not the Marlins themselves.

The fact is that people are let go or demoted all the time for actions or words which a company feels could or do tarnish its image. Whether it's right or not to punish someone for expressing their viewpoint about politics. I think it's wrong, but I can certainly understand the Marlins' concerns.

As for Cloyd, it was only earlier this week that John Sickles was saying he could be a sleeper based on the 1 start. I'll be happy if he can be used as part of a trade package. I think it unlikely he'll ever pitch in Philadelphia in any meaningful role if at all.

NEPP: not a political blog, but let's not pretend that Castro didn't run a brutal, repressive, and murderous regime that has propagated misery and poverty not only on his own island, but across the globe.

Posted by: Jbird

Not too mention Castro's ways have prevent us from enjoying a nice Cuban Cigar (unless you know a guy). In Europe, Cuban's are regulated and I found one two weeks ago for 8 Euros. Doesn't get any better than that!

3r0ck - Also plentiful in Canada too especially in Montreal.

I'm always troubled when the LEAGUE suspends players or managers for their speech -- no matter how obnoxious that speech is (John Rocker, being the quintessential example). It's not a First Amendment issue per se (See JBird's 10:45 post), but I still don't like the idea of Big Brother telling you what you can think -- especially in a context where no reasonable listener could have believed that John Rocker or Ozzie Guillen were speaking on behalf of the league.

It's different, though, when the team itself carries out the suspension. The Marlins definitely have an interest in not p*ssing off their fans, and Guillen is a guy whom they specifically hired to be their manager. And, unlike the quasi-governmental entity that is "the League," the Marlins are unambiguously Guillen's employer - and have the right to decide the kinds of people they want working for them. They had every right to suspend him.

also interesting in the minors is that some of the outfielders are performing well, but ignoring infielders in the draft up until last year means that the upper-minors are still barren of any short-term or even medium-term help at 1st, 2nd, or 3rd base.

I shook the Phillies players hands again this year as they walked down to the field. I couldn’t believe how SMALL they were. I am bigger than almost all of them (6'0" 230lbs). The only guys really bigger than me were Mayberry and Thome. Everyone else is quite small. This team has ZERO POWER. You have to move Polanco to 2b and go out and get a homerun hitter at 3b. We could also use a power hitter in left. P.S. … it’s not going to be Mayberry in the long term!

MONDAYS STARTING LINEUP:
Shrimps: Quoted Size/ Actual:
2b – Galvis 5’ 10” 170 / 5’ 9” 160
Ss - Rollins 5’ 8” 180/ 5'8" 170
3b- Polanco 5’ 10” 190/5’ 8” 170
c- Ruiz 5’ 10” 205 /5’ 8” 190
cf - Victorino 5’ 9” 190/ 5’ 9” 170

Normal sized men:
Rf – Pence 6’ 4” 220/ 6” 3” 210
lf - Pierre 5” 11” 175/ TRUE

Big Men:
1b – Mayberry 6” 6” 225/ TRUE

62% of our starting lineup looks like the jockey roster at the Atlantic City Racetrack. We have NO POWER!!! This reminds of the early 70's Phillies with Bowa/Doyle/Harmen/Money/etc.. At least with that team you had Montanez, Deron Johnson, Larry Hisle and Oscar Gamble. The only player with HR potential in this lineup is Pence. He'll be lucky to hit 25 HRs this year. Werth hit 23 HRs in 2008 playing in a platoon situation!!! We are doomed!!!

JRoll & Polanco are out to slow starts but the other regulars aren't out to bad starts.

It is the rest of the team that has done nothing.

Nix - 0 for 4
Thome - 0 for 4
Pierre - 2 for 9
Schneider - 0 for 4
Wigginton - 1 for 9

3-30 total with zero power and zero patience (2 BBs, 6 Ks)

Not an extra base hit among the 5 so far.

These moves are all on Amaro and guys he choose. Good thing is they can't be any worse. It still baffles me why Schneider was resigned. He is absolutely finished. He was last year yet he got resigned.

There were a few alternatives available too. I really wanted to see Betemit here. He's getting paid nothing (2 yr/$3.25M) in Baltimore. If you are going to go with a guy who can't field, at least get a guy who can hit and has a little speed. Wigginton is a real question mark to do both.

I also wanted to see Jerry Hairston here. Yeah he got 2 yr/$6M from the Dodgers but Amaro has handed out 2 years contracts to bench players like candy and Hairston wasn't guaranteed a starting job by the Dodgers.

There were cheaper alternatives out there this offseason. Hoping Amaro just didn't guess completely wrong or make sentimental decisions (Thome) that were ill-advised.

Until Howard/Utley are back, the lineup is largely going to sink or swim based on these guys and Mayberry because they are going ot get a lot of PT especially at 1B/LF.

I am old enough to remember rooting for Fidel Castro when he was a rebel fighter. He also aspired to be a pitcher. If only the Phils had signed him instead of Pancho Herrera, world history would be much different. Havana was in the International League. When baseball expanded, a team might have been placed there instead of Miami.
Come to think of it, with the Phils visiting several times a year, year-round golf, casinos, and cheap hookers, I might be living there right now.
DAMN YOU FIDEL

by the time ozzie finishes apologizing in his presser he'll be unemployed.

Good points about Galvis, from Zolecki:
* * *
“Freddy is pretty sick,” Jimmy Rollins said. “The guy is a natural over there, moving from short to second. I’ve never seen him play short, but you can’t tell that he was never a second baseman prior to Chase getting injured. He likes it over there. He likes to take control, which is great. He’s not afraid of the position. He’s not afraid of making an error or taking a chance, so I’ve enjoyed it. We’ve turned some pretty good double plays and he looks pretty sweet.”

Nobody expected Galvis to go out and hit .300. If he could put up Wilson Valdez-type numbers, great. (If Galvis had picked up just two more hits in his first 13 at-bats, he’d be hitting a very Valdez-like .231.) But for so much attention to be focused on Galvis is a little insane. The seven players hitting in front of Galvis on Monday are making more than $42 million this season. Galvis is making $480,000. Those seven guys in front of him are the ones that need to start producing. If they do then the Phillies can survive an entire season with Galvis hitting .200, much like they survived an entire season (and somehow even managed to win a World Series) with Ruiz hitting around .200 for much of 2008.

Jimmy praising Galvis as being a natural at 2B?

Gee, what a selfless act of praise by Rollins. Jimmy, you see, would definitely not have anything to gain if Galvis suddenly became the 2B of the future instead of the SS of the future. Nope, definitely not.

So, anybody catch Darvish last night? He struggled in the first inning with his command, but I though after that first inning, he showed that he definitely has a LOT of talent.

What struck was that he kep hanging offspeed stuff last night, like way up in the zone, and hitters were still so fooled and off their timing, that they still missed his stuff wildly.

He's got to clean up his command and his efficiency it looks like, but I think his stuff is so good, that he'll play well in this league.

Thoughts?

What BAP said, at 11:01 AM.

Still, I can't help feeling a bit bad for Ozzie. He made a thoughtless mistake. It seemed like an off-the-cuff, throwaway comment, not some deeply held pro-Castro political view he was expressing. The resulting furor has become pretty squirmy.

I thought, at first, that MLB suspended Ozzie - which would be really out of line. I have much less of a problem in the Marlins suspending him - although it is still somewhat troubling.

Speaking of Darvish, does anyone know if there are any broadcasts in the US of NPB (Japanese league)? The MLB Network ought to look into that.

"3r0ck: the 2009 had featured 3-year-younger versions of Utley, Howard, Rollins, Victorino, and Ruiz. Had a breakout year of Werth, and a scorching 1st half of Ibanez.

This team has no Utley, Howard, or Werth. It has an older Rollins, Victorino, and Ruiz. It has Wigginton, Nix, and Pierre seeing significant time.

Posted by: Steve | Tuesday, April 10, 2012 at 09:16 AM"

Steve, keep in mind the 2009 version also started the season with a rotation of Hamels, Myers, Moyer, Blanton and Chan Ho Park.

They had to bring in Lee and Pedro because the SP depth stunk.

Also, Vic was better last season than in 2009, and based on OPS so was JRoll. And you had Pedro Feliz and his .694 OPS at 3B. Also, Chooch was better last season too. RF, pick one - Pence now or Werth 2009? IMO that's a push, and 2nd half Ibanez was barely a shadow of the 1st half.

Oh, and everyone's favorite Garden Gnome was on the bench, and Amaro thought the bench so good he insisted on BenFran in the Lee trade and brought in that stud Paul Bako.

So, I'm not sold that the age related decline is as dramatic as you make it read, and I'll take the pitching on this club any day of the week.

Let's try to find a positive in this Guillen mess. If Nix & Wigginton were to express their deep admiration for, say, Stalin & Lord Voldemort, would the Phillies be able to void their contracts? I think it's a theory well worth exploring.

Really, Jack? You think Rollins only praised his young teammate's defensive abilities at 2B because he's worried about his own job at SS? That's highly cynical. People are not motivated only by self-interest. Some people are secure enough in themselves to actually appreciate others' talents in their same field.

Gtown: I heard Nix & Wiggington go out on the weekends together and drown puppies in the Schuylkill River. Is that good enough?

Gbrettfan: I'm not even sure Jack likes the Phillies as an organization much less any individual players.

"Let's try to find a positive in this Guillen mess. If Nix & Wigginton were to express their deep admiration for, say, Stalin & Lord Voldemort, would the Phillies be able to void their contracts? I think it's a theory well worth exploring."

Now all we need to do is find a way to get those two to express that particular deep admiration.

Also, if Guillen were to end up being fired over all of this, maybe the Phillies could hire him as a sort of assistant to Manuel, some sort of fire-under-asses-lighter-in-chief.

Cuban cigars are overrated.

Some of the best growers and makers fled the Castro regime and relocated to the DR, where IMO the cigars are now just as good.

I challenge you to blind tast Dominicans and Cubans.

Also, the wrapper is where most of the flavor comes from. A few years ago there was a blight that hit the Cuban shade grown wrapper, and they had to buy wrapper from outside of the country to make enough cigars.

Where did they get it? It was Connecticut shade-grown, from right here in the US - someo of the best wrapper tobacco in the world.

From wikipedia:

"Windsor tobacco leaves are highly prized by fine cigar makers, and are used as the cigar's outer wrapping. The former president of U.S. operations for Davidoff, a Swiss maker of luxury goods company including premium Cuban cigars, praised Connecticut shade tobacco as "A nice Connecticut wrapper" and "…very silky, very fine. From a marketing point of view, it is considered at the moment to be one of the best tasting and looking wrappers available" in a Cigar Aficionado article on why the world's best cigars use Connecticut tobacco wrapper leaves.[17]

The technique of growing shade tobacco has changed little in the past hundred years. To form the shade tents, a tobacco field is set with posts in a grid layout. Wires are stretched from post to post, and a light, durable fabric (once cotton but now a synthetic fiber) is tied across them and draped along the sides. For example, twenty posts in four rows of five will create twelve square cells in three rows of four. Under the tents the sunlight is soft and diffused the air is humid and the ambient temperature is slightly warmer than outside. Filtering the sun produces a thinner and more elastic tobacco leaf that cures to a lighter, even color often desired by the Cuban and Dominican cigar producers."

Who is better right now - Vance Worley or Yu Darvish? :)

Jbird: I dunno. Puppies are old news. But maybe they're bullies in the clubhouse? You know, giving Kendrick atomic wedgies & the like? The Phils can't afford to be seen as a club that condones bullying.

GBrett: Relax, my man. It was somewhat of a joke. I think Rollins is a good leader and probably was just speaking the truth, which is that Galvis really is impressive defensively, at either position.

I merely found it amusing, that Rollins went out of his way to praise Galvis' defense at 2B, when Galvis would be in line to replace him eventually at SS. Do I think he made the statement out of self-interest? No, probably not. It's just funny to note that if he were making it out of self-interest, he would make the exact same statement.

You guys all need to relax a little bit.

GBrettfan: Thank you for posting your comments on Jack's Rollins post. I was going to post something similar, but deleted before hitting "Post" as to avoid a back-and-forth. Now that the cat's out of the bag, I can say that I agree.

"Not too mention Castro's ways have prevent us from enjoying a nice Cuban Cigar (unless you know a guy)."

At this point, it's our government keeping us from enjoying a nice Cuban cigar.

BedBeard, relax. As I posted above, premium Dominicans are just as good as Cubans (despite what Kramer may say.)

The worst part of the early season schedule every year is all these off-days.

I am relaxed.


You guys all need to relax a little bit.

Posted by: Jack | Tuesday, April 10, 2012 at 11:42 AM


NO WAY!!

"The worst part of the early season schedule every year is all these off-days."

I never understood it. I guess it has to do with the many rainouts in April or something. But there are also many rainouts late in the season and, for East Coast teams, quite a few throughout the entire season. Seems to me it would make more sense to have a dense schedule early in the season, and leave a lot of open dates later on. Keeping open an off-day on April 10 doesn't do you much good if a game gets rained out in August.

Does having the Fish Master Ozzie Guillen suspended for 5 games help the Phillies? If Cholly got suspended, would that help the Phillies?

"The only player with HR potential in this lineup is Pence."

MikePhila, you obviously missed my post yesterday.

Based on HR/PA, to this point in his MLB career Mayberry has displayed significantly more HR power than Pence - even against RHP.

HR/PA

Mayberry
vs LHP 14
vs RHP 23.2

Pence
vs LHP 22.9
vs RHP 28.6

IMO if Mayberry got 650 PA he could hit 30 - 35 HR. The big question with him is what he does against RHP when the ball doesn't leave the park.

Also, if he gets enough PA, Thome can still jack them out, which is why, if I were Charlie, on the 2 - 3 days a week Thome starts at 1B I would play Mayberry in LF.

Lineup would be

JRoll
Polly
Vic
Pence
Thome
Mayberry
Chooch
Galvis

until Mayberry sinks or swims.

Sorry got delayed:

***not a political blog, but let's not pretend that Castro didn't run a brutal, repressive, and murderous regime that has propagated misery and poverty not only on his own island, but across the globe.***

Of course he did...so did the guy he replaced...you know, the one that all those wealthy Cubans who originally fled Cuba to S. Florida supported and profited under? Its not like he toppled a glowing democracy that valued human rights and freedom. That's the hypocrisy I'm talking about. The only reason the US was ever upset with Castro was due to his leftist leaning politics as opposed to his predecessor's rightist leaning politics. Both were brutal military dictators.

Cuban cigars are overrated.

Some of the best growers and makers fled the Castro regime and relocated to the DR, where IMO the cigars are now just as good.

Posted by: awh

Thanks for the info - when I can buy local I will. Will have to try some of these cigars with wrappers made in CT.

How quickly I? we? forget -- what was the name of that goofball who flashed his virtuosic "cut and paste" skills, re: I am getting steamed! (ad nauseam)

NEPP: You're not wrong, but official bad guys always induce more sensitivity than tolerated bad guys.

See the way most people treated the Yankees (official) as opposed to the Red Sox (tolerated) for so long...

cut: They Call Me King of the Bop

NEPP, I never took you for one who believes in moral equivalency, or someone who would smear every Cuban refugee who fled for freedom as though they had political ties to the previous regime.

Bad is bad, no matter who is before or after.

Actually NEPP, I think it would be a good idea for you to go ask Jose Contreras - who wasn't even born when Castro took power - what he and his family think of Castro.

Shoulda made Cuba the 46th state when we had the chance.

awh: we all know Contreras is at least as old as Castro, if not older.

I would take Jimmy's comments re: Galvis' defense at 2B at face value. He's known for giving advice and encouragement to other infielders. Also, everyone else watching Galvis play saw the same thing.

Lake Fred,

I did miss yesterday's post. Sorry. I guess I was stretching it a bit. I DO like Mayberry but he is awful streaky. We don't need Juan Pierre starting in lf. Leave the job to Mayberry and him alone and mess around with 1b with Thome/Wigginton/Nix.

What I didn't say was BY FAR, Charlie Manuel is the BIGGEST person on the team. He probably could swat more out now than these clowns.

OK, I don't want to kill Amaro too much, but you had an off season to figure out that Howard was not going to be 100% in 2012. He also didn't do his due diligence with Utley's old man knees.

I think where Amaro/Gillick failed is that our minor league system is strong in pitching but bereft of power. It is better than before when we had NO pitching and NO power. Can't we at least start to draft some power hitters???

JBird, I KNEW I'd get called on that - especially on this board.

I Actually had the sentence written this way

"...I think it would be a good idea for you to go ask Jose Contreras - who wasn't even born when Castro took power [we think! :)] - what he and his family think of Castro."

and decided at the last minute to drop the parenthetic portion.

***I never took you for one who believes in moral equivalency, or someone who would smear every Cuban refugee who fled for freedom as though they had political ties to the previous regime.***

I'm not trying to smear every immigrant...just the hypocrisy inherent in the self-righteous attacks on Ozzie for a couple off the cuff comments. Comparing it to him praising Hitler or the Klan is ridiculous and non-sensical and it shows a glaring lack of historical knowledge. Both such comparisons have been made in Miami in the last couple days and its ridiculous. Ozzie did something stupid and he'll apology for it. He's said lots of stupid things over the years. He's a former player and current baseball manager, not a pol-sci guy. Nobody should give a damn what his opinions are on non-baseball subjects. It'd be like me offering opinions on what medical procedure someone should have. Neither of us is qualified and neither should be listened too.

On the "every refugee" aspect, it is important to remember that the original refugee wave that followed Castro's installation as dictator was predominantly the old money Cuban aristocracy, not the Cuban boat people that came later in smaller groups. That group, that controlled S. Florida Cuban politics was just as bad as Castro. Hell, at the time, Castro was considered the freedom fighter rising up against gov't corruption and economic abuse by American business interests and organized crime elements. Yes, he did a lot of brutal things once he came to power but he was no worse or better than any other 3rd world dictatorship. It would be interesting to see what would have happened had the Eisenhower administration not pushed him into the Soviet Camp and had our government not attempted to assassinate him for a decade afterward to reinstall a right-wing government more friendly to our strategic interests.

Either way, Ozzie has or will shortly apologize and he has been suspended by the team for five days so the issue should be dead.

MikePhila, you ARE new here.

Lake Fred did not post what you responded to. I did.

On B*L, a persons handle is BELOW his or her comments.

*** would take Jimmy's comments re: Galvis' defense at 2B at face value. He's known for giving advice and encouragement to other infielders. Also, everyone else watching Galvis play saw the same thing. ***

It could just be that Jimmy is praising a young teammate for something he is doing amazingly well to build his overall confidence and Jimmy is showing that he is the leader in the clubhouse.

I doubt Jimmy is that worried about Galvis taking over is position in 3 years when his contract is up.

3rock, many Dominican cigars are made with Connecticut shade wrapper.

Ask your local tobacco shop when you go in to buy them.

They're almost certain to have some there that are CT shade. It's a lighter shade and sweeter and more mellow in taste.

If you like a robust and more flavorful (some say harsh) cigar, a darker wrapper is probably for you.

Oh look, the highly intelligent (*) Alex Wagner and her highly intelligent (*) pals just pontificated about the Ozzie issue on MSNBC.

* sarcasm

NEPP, in terms of being a mass-murderer, Castro is not the same scale as Hitler, but he is a mass-murderer none-the-less.

Ask yourself this:

To the individual who is killed or his family, do you think the scale really matters?


As to your comparison of Castro to other 3rd world dictators, I think thy're all bad, regardless of expressed ideology, because in the end they all behave as murdering facists.

Burma, Venezuela, Syria, Belarus, Iran.....you can't make a distinction that matters to the dead and tortured.

Yesterday I was dreading today's off day, as I imagined we'd continue to beat the dead horse that is the Phillies' offensive woes. Imagine my "jubilee" to find out, instead, that we're using the off day to discuss Communism, fascist dictators and Politics! Yay???

The Marlins (not MLB) HAD to suspend Ozzie for one reason, and one reason only - their primary fan base will take exception with his comments. In the most critical year of their franchise to date (new stadium, increased financial commitment to payroll), the very last thing they can accommodate is any sort of impact to their revenue stream. This was a quintessential PR move on their part, and probably a good one. In 5 days, all will be forgiven by their fans and they can continue to frequent that hideous new ballpark.

NEPP, I think we agree on this:

For someone who professes to live in Miami and love it and be tied to and know the community, he was monumentally stupid to make those comments.

Monumentally. If I were the Marlins I'd suspend him for longer for being THAT stupid. I don't think suspending him is going to end the boycott, and he probably just cost them a few thousand seats at the turnstiles.

God forbid it morphs into a boycott of their advertizers - he'll really be in trouble then.

**God forbid it morphs into a boycott of their advertizers - he'll really be in trouble then.**

It wont. He'll apologize, meet with some local Cuban leaders, "learn" about the evils of Castro and everyone will be happy. If anything, it gave the franchise a chance to show how much they care about their local community and Little Havana, blah blah blah.

The Marlins are actually handling it well, by actually flying him back to Miami for the apology (rather than via the media in Philly), and I'm with NEPP, you'll see some other fluff "punishment," as well.

Ironically, the Marlins actually hired Guillen to APPEAL to their Hispanic fanbase, not alienate them. As rough and abrasive as he can be, he'll be bending over backwards to limit the collateral damage and we'll all move on.

Apples/oranges, but it's kind of the reverse of that with the Petrino thing. The cheating is no different than we've seen, but the lying to the University is a fire-able offense, to be sure. However, with his popularity with the fan base, you can be sure they'll find a way to keep him around, despite his pattern of being a pretty deplorable human being, just so they continue to sell tickets. It's all about the tickets...

14 home runs per plate appearance? That's amazing

You guys are missing the point. He is entitled to his opinions. The US government isn't going to step in and silence Guillen. His employer, on the other hand, is a private enterprise that Guillen represents. So long as he chooses to be part of that organization, they have every right to punish him for saying crap that could very well negatively affect their business. If Ozzie Guillen wants to continue expressing his love and admiration for a brutal communist dictator, he's more than welcomed to leave the Marlins and do just that.

***So long as he chooses to be part of that organization, they have every right to punish him for saying crap that could very well negatively affect their business. ***

Of course they do. Nobody is arguing that. Some of us are just saying its silly.

3rock, many Dominican cigars are made with Connecticut shade wrapper.

Ask your local tobacco shop when you go in to buy them.

They're almost certain to have some there that are CT shade. It's a lighter shade and sweeter and more mellow in taste.

If you like a robust and more flavorful (some say harsh) cigar, a darker wrapper is probably for you.

Posted by: awh

I dig the mellow so chances are I've had one. I usually smoke Arturo Fuentes - not sure what, if any, wrappers they use from CT. Interesting to ask about next time I'm in the shop

NEPP, I have said nothing about Guillen or his right to express himself other than he was monumentally stupid to publicly say what he said.

I have also disagreed with your seeming justification of one brutal dictatorship because another one existed previously.

Other than that, Ozzie can say whatever he wants.

But silly? How could it be "silly" to the Marlins if it potentially could cost them thousands of fannies in the seats?

Silly? I think not.

how do folks think the suspension will affect the rest of the series (assuming it starts immediately without appeal)???

Will the Marlins be FIRED up in defense of their manager? will the bench coaches be outmanaged by Cholly?


or will it likely not matter? <== this

the very first comment of the thread was about Cuba and then i just hit end to get to the comment section and saw the last post was about cigars.

hah, nice.

Hamm, put me on record for saying it won't matter (the Phillies' offensive ineptitude will play a much bigger factor).

And I'd be shocked if there was an appeal. Not just because it wasn't MLB levying the suspension, but more so because I think Ozzie is fine with it as long as it simmers down the discontent in Miami. He'd only reignite the fury if he appealed in any way (to be honest, I'm not even sure who he'd appeal to).

awh, I don't think NEPP ever said that the latter dictatorship was justified because of the former, just that those who fled the latter dictatorship (early on), might have been in favor of the former dictatorship.

Nothing justifies tyranny and oppression, and I believe NEPP would agree with that sentiment.

HR: Cholly couldn't outmanage their batboy.

Fatti, it sure seemd that way. Maybe NEPP needs to be as careful about what he writes as Ozzie does about what he says.

Wow, after a whopping 4 games, and sample sizes that have the most active batters getting only 17 PA, people are already posting about "offensive ineptitude" as though it's a foregone conclusion for the rest of the season?

The team is currently hitting .198/.254/.244

Does anyone here expect that to continue?

BTW, the entire NL, after 2378 PA is hitting .232/.300/.390.

Last season, the NL hit .253/.319/.391

Does anyone expect the entire NL to continue at a .232/.300/.390 pace?

I'll state this: If the entire NL does continue at it's current pace good pitching could be that much more valuable.

NEPP obviously hates America, Apple Pie, and David Eckstein and it is rumored he has been seen recently joining Nix & Wiggington on their puppy drowning expeditions.

i missed who ozzie said would replace him tomorrow night. he said he would meet with the team tomorrow. he says he'll feel embarrassed to be around the team.

awh, I was simply remarking that our current offensive ineptitude will play a bigger role in the next 2 games against Miami than a missing Ozzie Guillen will play.

Yes, I actually do expect some semblance of "ineptitude" to continue at least in the short term (I didn't say it was going to be a season long or chronic issue - I sure hope not or RAJ will start to get pretty cranky). However, I've been offered absolutely ZERO indications as to why I should expect this team to bust out of this slump in the next 72 hours versus the Marlins (and Josh Johnson in particular). If you have reason to give me hope, other than "everyone else is sucking too," I'd LOVE to hear it!

Yeah awh, the Phillies offsense is bad, but it's not nearly as bad as it's looked thus far.


And I'll say this about it being silly that the Marlins suspended Ozzie: it's not silly given the real world consequences of what his words could have on the Marlins franchise. What is silly, though, it is that somebody's off-the-cuff remarks about something like this could have such reverberations. Anyone out there who equates any supposed political ideas that Ozzie Guillen has (an noted outspoken extrovert, who is, at the end of the day, a friggin baseball manager) with those of the Marlins organization needs a lesson in basic logic and common sense.

Even if Guillen felt that Castro was the swellest guy this side of the International Dateline, that in no way implies that the Marlins feel the same way, knew about his feelings, or endorse them in any way. Of course, that's not how people think.

"I'll state this: If the entire NL does continue at it's current pace good pitching could be that much more valuable."

No, if the NL continues at its current pace, every team would have "good" pitching, and the team that had a good offense would have a larger comparative advantage. It was a good try, though.

Jbird: Castro = the Klan? Yipes!

FWIW, Guillen made similar remarks about Castro in Chicago and it was no big deal. But in Miami he should've known better. I think Ozzie just can't help himself from saying stupid stuff.

Yes, I actually do expect some semblance of "ineptitude" to continue at least in the short term (I didn't say it was going to be a season long or chronic issue - I sure hope not or RAJ will start to get pretty cranky). However, I've been offered absolutely ZERO indications as to why I should expect this team to bust out of this slump in the next 72 hours versus the Marlins (and Josh Johnson in particular). If you have reason to give me hope, other than "everyone else is sucking too," I'd LOVE to hear it!

Posted by: Willard Preacher

Phillies will light up Johnson tomorrow. There, I said it.

2 big 2nd base deals today

Brandon Phillips 6 yr 72.5m
&
Ian Kinsler 5 yr 75m

Kinsler deal will be good for Texas if he stays healthy which he's had trouble doing in the past. Wonder if the Rangers are getting other pieces locked up since Hamilton seems to want to test the market.

Brandon Phillips' deal feels like a lot for a a guy who's already 31. But maybe not. His stolen bases and homeruns have been trending down for a few years but his ratios last year were good.

MikePhila obviously never heard of Jimmy Wynn.

clout: I wasn't making a moral equivalency either way, just using an example of a group one shouldn't praise if they wish to get ahead at their jobs. honestly, I'm not sure which you think is worse. At least the klan is more or less politically impotent and marginalized by society at this point. Castro was happily interning people who were HIV+ and executing pro-democracy advocates before he got sick. Castro is a communist, an ideology that has proved good at one thing and one thing only, turning live peasants into dead ones. I'm sure if the Klan had any power whatsoever, I'd think they were worse, but they don't and won't. Both are terrible and hopefully both are making their last movements towards the dustbin of history to serve as a cautionary tale to future generations.

Jbird: If you say you aren't making a moral equivalency either way, then you probably shouldn't go on to then make that exact moral equivalency argument.

But hey, how about this baseball team, huh? Now we're getting excited.

goody: Castro was a lefty (as you might expect) but he didn't have much of a fastball so the scouts mostly ignored him.

The Senators were the team that mined Cuba back in those days and legend has it that a scout did watch one him pitch a game in the early 1950s. The Senators passed and went on to sign Camilo Pascual, Pedro Ramos and Zoilo Versalles.

If Castro were 19 today, BA wouldn't list him as a prospect, although Sickels might depending on his command of his breaking stuff.

... he says he'll feel embarrassed to be around the team.

Embarrassment is what r00b ought to feel whenever he looks out onto the field at what he hath wrought. Ty Wigginton, Kevin Jordan, Pete Orr, Desi Relaford, Brian Schneider, Gary Bennett, Laynce Nix, Rob Ducey, Charlie Manuel, an overstuffed sock puppet ... who can tell the damn difference?

Interesting article on Grantland about the author of an early baseball simulation from the 1960s:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7793059/john-burgeson-ibm-computer-start-baseball-video-games

The Grantland piece referenced a post to the SABR board from 2000 called "The Inherent Variability of Baseball." The author didn't provide a link, but I tracked it down anyway:

http://www.burgy.50megs.com/basevar.htm

A quote from the summary:

"I've made the argument that chance plays a large part in baseball -- and that its influence on the outcome of games as well as the resulting statistics is often overlooked by some of us, fans, SABRites, writers and broadcasters. That does not diminish, in my judgment, either the inherent worth nor the enjoyment of statistics. My thesis simply enjoins us to take them for what they are worth, imperfect measures of imperfect players made by imperfect people, some better than others."

Now what I was most fascinated by was how the sample sizes in baseball lead to even more variability than I'd expected. One stark example is that given an ideal player with an exact 30% chance of getting a base hit (.300 hitter), over 500 at-bats given 20 simulations, the guy may end up as low as .270 or as high as .338 -- all on pure chance.

Even over 3000 at bats, the variance was pretty huge: .286 at the low end, .318 at the top.

I've always taken for granted that if a player hit .270 over 4 years, I was pretty sure he was a .270 hitter. But, perhaps the sample sizes in baseball aren't nearly large enough to know these things with such certainty -- and certainly this speaks to why some guys are seemingly able to "put it together" after 4-5 years of seemingly subpar years, perhaps in the minors.

Mick O: The other thing is that is rare that players are perfectly static for long enough to allow a true level to emerge outside of luck.

Let's say, for instance, that a player in his ages 26-30 seasons is a true skill .310 player, but due to chance, hits only .289. Then, in his age 31-33 seasons, he gets injured and his bat speed slows down, and suddenly his true talent level is a .280 hitter. He finally gets some good luck, but hits only .290.

Even with luck evening out, therefore, history sees him as a .290 hitter, when in fact for most of his career he should have been a .300 or above hitter.

Jack. I wasn't initially until clout claimed I was (which is his style). and now I'm saying both are terrible and I'm sure you can argue one is more terrible than the other for a whole number of reasons.

clout, his imminent omission from the BA Prospect list, however, wouldn't stop fans from claiming that he's the "missing piece."

He sounds like JD Durbin, with just a little more zip.

bullit: "i missed who ozzie said would replace him tomorrow night."

Joseph Kony. But it's just for 5 games.

Jbird, don't take it personally, if anyone should feel shame about something they posted it's Mick O who linked to a Grantland article.

I bet Sean Payton would be happy to step in for 5 games.

I wish the Phillies had a line up as good as the Iron Pigs

Can we pay Sean Payton to put a bounty on Wigginton?

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