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Saturday, April 21, 2012

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Stutes is working his way towards a demotion. Bastardo hasn't had the same stuff or been as effective as last year but Stutes has been poor this year.

Got railed on here last season a bit but he isn't a MLB-caliber pitcher. He throws a 4-seam fastball that is straight as an arrow with modest command at best and a crummy slider.

And the wheels come off here.

since when is SD the 27 Yankees?

I remain confused as to why Savery was sent down instead of Stutes. Not that it matters now that Lee's on the DL, but still.

Since I had absolutely no delusions that they were going to score in the 9th inning, these runs don't bother me in the least.

2 runs, 3 runs, 4 runs, 5 runs - what difference does it make?

NEPP- it was not a mistake to spend money on Lee. Or Halladay. And if we sign Hamels, no matter the $, it will not be a mistake.

This pitching staff proved lasted year that it only needs an adequate, or even slightly below average offense, to steamroll the league. That hasnt changed.

What has changed is that the two most important pieces of an already flawed lineup are injured, and the GM counted on Mayberry to replicate his numbers. It has not happened. What you get from that is a completely pathetic offense that couldn't save 5 HOF starting pitchers if they tried. So far, as constructed, this has been truly a historically bad offense.

So anyway, no, they didn't waste money on Lee or any other pitcher. And anyone who says so, is an idiot. Its the moves made to replace Howard and Utley that have killed this team.

I'm curious, what happened to Thome playing "2, maybe 3 times a week?"

For what it's worth, Mayberry is out of options.

Should have used Herndon there. He generally only allows one run per inning.

Andrew/NEPP, who knows? But pitch count aside, really, does the 10h inning really make sense at this point of the season? NEPP, enlighten me on the Verducci effect. I almost made a sarcastic comment that somebody would have a stat to back up why it was a swell idea to run a starter out there for 10 innings (again, in April) and sure enough there is apparently something that will tell me you are right and I am totally wrong.

I still believe that the Phils can overcome their offensive woes if the Big 3 remain healthy. A long DL stay by Lee, though, would be devastating. The Phils might then be forced to place a call to Li'l Roy.

***NEPP- it was not a mistake to spend money on Lee. Or Halladay. And if we sign Hamels, no matter the $, it will not be a mistake. ***

I know but I wonder what would have happened had we gone another way last off-season. Would we have done better last year or would we be better equipped to deal with losing Utley/Howard now.

Lee is a fantastic elite pitcher and I'm happy we have him but I'm just wondering what Plan B was if we didnt get him.

I am so depressed.

As bad as Mayberry has been I'd rather just throw him in there every day and let him figure it out than put in all the washed up has beens.

***I'm curious, what happened to Thome playing "2, maybe 3 times a week?"***

The reality of his back issues most likely.

6 outing this year for Stutes and the 3 time he has given up at least a run.

Good chance he gets demoted after this road trip given how the Phils have a few options at Lehigh including a few veteran ones in Sanches and Purcey.

how long will it take til the sellouts arent..

HIGH PRICED TALENT LIKE DOC AND LEE WILL ONLY BE TRADED FOR PROSPECTS! NO BAD TEAM WILL TAKE ON THAT KIND OF SALARY IN EXCHANGE FOR AN ESTABLISHED BAT AND NO CONTENDING TEAM WILL GIVE UP OFFENSE FOR PITCHING. THEY WILL GIVE UP DOUBLE AND TRIPLE A PLAYERS. THERE WILL BE NO TALENT FOR TALENT TRADES!! THEY DO NOT HAPPEN ANYMORE!! FURTHERMORE, THE PHILLIES ARE NOT REBUILDING REGARDLESS OF HOW POORLY THIS YEAR TURNS OUT SO ROY, CLIFF AND COLE WILL NOT BE TRADED.

As bad as Mayberry has been I'd rather just throw him in there every day and let him figure it out than put in all the washed up has beens.

Agreed. The sad truth is this team has very little to lose by doing so.

If I'd actually had any faith in our offense scoring a few runs in the top of the 9th, I'd be really seething right now at Stutes being allowed to let 3 runs score.

I said earlier that Stutes & Herndon are best in small doses. Stutes may be best in minute doses, if any.

I don't think signing Lee was a bad move. Remember, offense nor defense are important. What is important is scoring more runs than you give up. Lee is about as good at suppressing runs as the best hitters are at producing runs, relative their replacement level counterparts

Letting Lee go in the first place, and getting absolute garbage in return when they traded him to the Mariners.

THOSE were awful moves.

Stutes has to go...go back to Scranton!

I think gobaystars! is getting steamed.

TV said Stutes' ERA coming into this game was 1.93. Can that be right?

ERA for relievers can be somewhat misleading.

I'M GETTING STEAMED!!

"As bad as Mayberry has been I'd rather just throw him in there every day and let him figure it out than put in all the washed up has beens."

Completely disagree. This isn't a team that is going to waive the right flag in April nor shoudl they & Mayberry is just in a miserable funk right now.

I would only play him vs. LHP pitching right now.

They left Stutes out there to take a beating if necessary tonight. That's not a good sign.

I say 50/50 he gets demoted in the next week and another bad appearance in the next week will push that to close to 100%.

2 hits tonight...1 of which was by the pitcher.

The 2012 Philadelphia Phillies!

good eye - Hunter

To be fair, the 2010 Phillies, which was actually a good offense, had a game in which they had one hit by Cole Hamels.

Still, this offense is pathetic.

ERA for relievers can be somewhat misleading.

Not being able to find the strike zone w/ GPS & a Sherpa guide, however, is a fairly clear sign.

shut up tbAG

this is actually sick. every night.

STOP THE PRESSES! WIG HAS AN RBI

you could see this coming with houston aka milton street but too little too late.

McCarthy is barely tolerable when the team is winning. His sunny nonsense-talk doesn't play well at all when the team is struggling. It even seems like Wheeler is getting annoyed with him.

You don't shutout the 2012 Phillies!!!

Well actually you do, but sometimes they get lucky.

Avoided the shutout. Would have been the 3rd time in last 8 games.

Time to break up this act. I would start with TMac. Safe and Secure move.

NOW they get a run. After Stutes sucked big-time.

But, hey, moral victory: we weren't shut-out.

Mayberry was one of the Phils best hitters last year post all star break. Have him play 1 position so he only has to worry about his hitting.

NOBODY shuts us out!!!

FANS ON THEIR FEET AT PETCO

SD is going to win the pennant

er... a ball game

Bill, I'm pretty sure that Mayberry's struggles aren't due to his playing LF and 1B, easily the two easiest positions on the diamond.

10, 11 more singles and we're right back in this one.

Tough night to watch. Luebke's a good pitcher but this offense is just brutal.

Literally need Blanton give up them a really strong start tomomrrow and hope they can scrape together 3 runs.

With Lee likely out for at least a month now, it becomes more of question of whether they can remain at ~.500 or sink to several games before .500 by Memorial Day.

I figured that winning streak in SD had to end sometime. Still hope to take 3 of 4 from the Pads. Blanton tomorrow, is it? Not sure what to expect from him.

At worst, we'll split the series 2-2. Still treading water, more or less.

'Til the effects of losing Lee set in.

My, we have a lot of $$ on the DL!

Buh-bye, .500 record. It was a fun ... day.

2.80 Runs/Game

≤2 Runs Scored in 9 of 15 Games

I don't know what they do about Mayberry. He's just lost at the plate.

Stutes is a guy I hope they demote right now. Cholly's clearly lost confidence in him & he's going to be buried in the pen for the forseeable future after tonight's outing. Bring up Sanches or even Schwimmer.

I would lean toward Sanches just for the simple fact that you hope he can give the Phils a solid month or so who Cholly might actually use.

Poor Kendrick. The offense he'd been afforded early in his career is non-existent. Even a good start from him is probably not enough.

Leslie Gudel retweeted this:

@caseyfeeney66
I have heard for a decade that Jimmy Rollins is the catalyst. If that's true, time to hit him 1st & see if he sparks anything.

I have to say, my first thought was truly that he meant hit Jimmy over the head or something. It struck me as funny.

Yeah, I know, he meant bat Jimmy at leadoff.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

In all honesty, changes the batting order likely accomplishing nothing. Like rearranging lifeboats on the Titanic.

GBrettFan: I think the Phillies lost the chance to spark something by hitting a player over the head when Martinez got injured. No one else wears that crap in their hair nowadays.

As long as Schneider is behind the plate too, teams are going to run a lot against this team. Padres had 2 SBs tonight on throws that weren't even close by Schneider.

With Cliff Lee joining Howard & Utley on the DL, we have a 56.5 million dollar DL. That's 1/3 of our payroll.

Per WPHL's postgame show.

The Phils have scored at least 3 runs once in the last 5 games so I doubt they scrape that many up tomorrow.

Cespedes had his 15th RBI tonight...he'd look really, really good in LF right now.

Has anyone seen my panic button? I know i left it here somewhere!

"With Cliff Lee joining Howard & Utley on the DL, we have a 56.5 million dollar DL. That's 1/3 of our payroll.

Per WPHL's postgame show."

That's going to happen when you have players in their mid-30s who are making huge bucks.

A pitcher of Cliff Lee's calibre rarely comes along in free agency. It was not a mistake to sign him and bring him back to the Phillies. We never should have let him go in the first place. I have no idea what his WAR was last year but I can only guess it was pretty decent.

Rollins, Pence & Victorino...they're supposed to be better than this. SURELY they're better than this. They've shown it on a few occasions in this new season.

Fatalotti: I believe the phrase you're looking for is "rearranging deck chairs". Proper utilization of available lifeboats would actually have saved hundreds more passengers. However, your overall point is both taken, & very valid.

Lee's WAR in 2011 was 6.7...good for 5th in baseball for pitchers.

It also means that he was "worth" about $30 million in value if you go by their current WAR to $$ calculation.

Losing tomorrow would be a big knock on this team. If you can't win a series against this dog$hit team with as poorly as they are playing right now, you going to struggle to win a series against just about anyone.

Werth must be laughing..

So, Mr. Go Baystars, or is is Gobay Stars? Tell us how you really feel.

Wig, Nix, Thome, Mayberry...it doesn't matter. It's all just rearranging ice sculptures on the Hindenburg.

Not surprisingly the Phils are slight underdogs tomorrow SD -114/Phils +104.

Hey Mr. Eats -- Werth was always "laughing". Methinks that's why RAJ didn't lift a finger to re-sign him.

Re: disaster management. RAJ is the master of the deal -- I betcha' he's at the top of his game in July. If Vance and KK are really going well at the deadline, I'm not so sure one or even 2 of our stud starters is gone at the ASB for big-time offensive help. Stranger things have happened.

I would fire every anouncer, analyst and media hanger-on tonight. Clean sweep - start anew.

Can't Chase at least come hang out in the dugout and dispense smart advice about having quality ABs?

I'm grasping at straws here.

Wish we'd hear something about Chase. I think I did read today that Charlie said he hear Chase's workouts/exercises (I forget the word he used) are going well. Whatever that means.

Correction: RAJ is the master of the deal when he has solid due diligence. I'm convinced Mr. Uts punked RAJ all winter. The Uts thing might get ugly -- especially if he leaves the Phillies earlier than anticipated.

No surprise: Phillies are averaging the fewest pitches per AB in MLB.

Per WPHL postgame.

Fatalotti: I believe the phrase you're looking for is "rearranging deck chairs". Proper utilization of available lifeboats would actually have saved hundreds more passengers. However, your overall point is both taken, & very valid.

Posted by: GTown_Dave | Saturday, April 21, 2012 at 11:11 PM

You know, I was running out to the grocery store right as I posted that, and it didn't feel right to me either. Thanks for the correction.

Also, if there's one thing missing from this season, aside from being in first place and having a moderately capable offense, it has to be instantaneous post-game write ups by Drew Silverman.

I'm the first to admit that I never played this game, so that puts me somewhat at a disadvantage. WIth that said, I saw Pence strike out on a very high pitch in what I recall as being the 4th inning. Shoulder level or higher. Why would a professional hitter swing at a pitch that high? I thought that one of the reasons a guy makes it to that level is that he has a fairly good eye at the plate.

I'm updating my runs scoring spreadsheet tonight (I've updated it this year so I can choose any date range and see how the Phillies and the whole league have done over that stretch; such a spreadsheet geek), and I I'm obviously aware of our offensive futility.

But man are the Pirates a mess so far this year. 2.07 runs per game, they've scored 5 runs twice, 4 runs once, and everything else has been some combination of 0, 1 or 2. They are just awful.

Anyways, the NL average for runs/game is 3.95. The Phillies are all the way down at 2.8, over a full run below.

Still, we are actually 6th in the NL in run-differential, but with Lee out for a while, that will be tough to maintain.

"But man are the Pirates a mess so far this year. 2.07 runs per game, they've scored 5 runs twice, 4 runs once, and everything else has been some combination of 0, 1 or 2. They are just awful."

And, yet, they took 2 out of 3 from us.

Did Cliff really have to pitch 10 innings on a cold nite in April. Thx Charlie for not only losing games with bad decisions but now losing an ace. Can't afford any pitching problems with our pathetic offense!!!

The Pirates take at least 2 of 3 from us every year out there. But this year it means so much more.

Yo, new thread

With or without Lee this non productive offense is going nowhere FAST. Nix, Thome, Wigginton, Martinez,Polanco, Schneider, Jimmy Popups, Stutes, Never again Utley, Last out Howard.Trade Doc and Lee while they still return a boatload of prospects. Or wait till they head South, too. Earn your money RJA.

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