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Wednesday, December 14, 2011

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So, JRoll is the younger replacement option in this scenario, without a guarantee as the full time starter, even? I don't see it.

Maybe they deal scutaro to the Phils.

maybe the BoSox think Jose Iglasias is going to start hitting all of a sudden?

Scutaro has been linked to the Rockies for trade..He can play 3B or 2B there..They have super prospect Nolan Areando to step into 3B by late this yr or 2013

JW - Sox don't have the cash to sign someone like JRoll I thought after Ortiz agreed to arbitration.

They have a bigger need for a RF anyway.

I wonder if Phil's don't get Rollins if they could trade for someone like Paul Janish from the Reds. He's a plus defender, no bat, but the Reds are clearly committed to using Cozart as their starting SS. I couldn't imagine Janish would cost a lot in a trade.

MG: don't think Boston will roll with Reddick/Kalish in RF? I think Boston is in the position where they just need to hope their big money players start playing like big money players. Crawford, Lackey, Matsuzaka, Beckett are all drawing star level salaries.

Nitpicking here Jbird, but Lackey is out for the yr w/ Tommy John

Sorry you were mentioning salaries.. His is certainly an albatross this year.

Yeah, like another "no bat" player is needed...

That last post was exactly what I was thinking about earlier today. Say he does cave in and sign a considerably lower contract than he wanted with the Phillies. I just see how that could end up being an issue in the clubhouse. It seems like the longer this takes, the less likely it happens. All I know is if the Phils lose out on Rollins, they better have a nice trick up their sleeve because I'm not trying to replace my Rollins jersey with Yuniesky Betancourt.

If J-Roll wants to go, let him go. Freddie Galvis is the same age Rollins was when he broke in, and noone knew how J-Roll would work out. So give the kid a chance, defensively, he's probably better than J-Roll right now as far as range goes. So if you have to move on, I'm confident he can do the job.

Yeah, I wouldn't be excited about Janish either, but he's a better alternative than Galvis. I don't want the Phil's to sign Rollins to a five year deal with an inflated AAV even less than I would like seeing someone like Janish at short. Never hurts to have a Plan B.

If Jimmy doesn't re-sign, who plays SS? At this point I go after Betancourt. He may be the best alternative right now. I also bring in Cuddyer.

I'm not saying give Jimmy what he wants, but it sure looks like they're being cheap after the Papelbon deal.

Rube hasn't done anything to upgrade the everyday offense which IMO needs upgrading. And yes that opinion is based solely on the last 2 post-seasons, meaning their inability to hit. They're putting way too much pressure on the big 3 and that needs to be allieviated. At least that's how I see it. Upgrading the bench is fine but as we all know, nech players are just that.

Go for Nakajima if J-Roll walks.

Scotch~ Other than Betancout who had 68 RBI last year, what "trick up the sleeve" is available? The cupboard seems awfully bare.
Looks to me like the left side of the infield is gonna be Polly & Galvis. UGH!!!

Go with Galvis, sign Cuddyer and let the chips fall where they may. Galvis isn't going to hit like J-Roll, but he's what they're looking for in plate discipline, moving runners along, bunting, he knows his game is not poppping up.

Get me Theriot or Keppinger, and absolutely not Betancourt.

Seriously, anyone is better thanBetancourt. Anyone. Keppinger is available. Theriot is available. Someone like Janish in a trade would be better than Betancourt.

Getting David Eckstein out of retirement would be better than Betancourt.

Betancourt: just say no.

Anyone who doesn't get what they want is bound to feel a bit slighted. Even with his previous issues with not running out pop-ups, etc., I just don't see Jimmy as being a "clubhouse cancer" kind of guy. Hell, he's the one in charge of the pregame music everyday! I'm sure it would be a bit of a slap in the face to take a contract for fewer years, but sometimes reality hurts. Like a big boy, he'll suck it up and play ball. I do believe that he genuinely likes his teammates and wouldn't tank the season out of spite or anything. I still think that a JRoll playing less than 100% is markedly better offensively than Galvis. Galvis is NOT a solution here (and until he shows he can hit MiLB pitching consistently, shouldn't be considered going forward).

Wilson Valdez over a full season would be better than Betancourt. This guy has absolutely no business being a regular starter on a MLB team.

Ok I understand everyone's opinion, but how does either Keppinger, Janish, or Theriot make us better? Or younger? They don't all by themselves. Cuddyer would have to come in also.

Betancourt's cumulative WAR oVer the last three seasons: - 0.7.

Please never suggest Betancourt for this team ever again.

Well, Janish is 29. For this team, that's young.

Exactly the point with Galvis, youth has to be served at some point to stay competitive. No one knew J-Roll could hit MLB pitching when he came up either, same thing with Larry Bowa, he was considered a no-hit SS - HA

Heather~ Ok Janish is 29 point taken. But does he & Polly on the left side excite you? If so, you may be the only one. I undertstand that with this pitching staff, we need guys who can pick it. But we gotta hit too. That has not been fixed.

Cuddyer probably will sign with the Rockies... Theriot or Keppinger are the best(only) alternatives worth discussing. I think Rube has run out of hats to pull a surprise rabbit.

Im of the opinion that overpaying for talent is a hell lot better than getting a bargain on slop.

For those who have not seen Galvis play. I have, I've seen him move runners along by hitting behind the runner, laying down a bunt, making contact on the ground with a runner on 3rd, just the type of hitter this team is lacking. You don't need a .300 hitter, you need someone who can move runners along.

baseballcoach: Rollins was stealing bases in the MLB allstar game at Galvis's age.

Isn't a run saved equal to a run earned? We don't need a good hitter per se, we need good players, regardless of whether they're good on defense or offense.

Sorry, Jimmy came up at 22 and did NOT make the ASG his 1st season.

Rollins was a MUCH higher regarded prospect that galvis. So yes, you never know how it's "going to work out" but there was better chance of a jimmy working out than a guy like galvis.

Jimmy's young debut had more to do with the phillies sucking and there being no reason not to start jimmy's clock early.

Murgh - Yanks won the post for Nakajima.

I think the more likely trade is Bartlett.

I've noted your "no" vote on Betancourt Heather. I agree 100%. I think the fact that he was replaced with Alex Gonzalez should tell you all you need to know.

coach: Jimmy came up at 21 for a cup of coffee and then made the allstar game the next season at 22. Gavlis turned 22 at end of the season.

Heather: "isn't a run saved equal to a run earned?" Good point, Jimmy's defense makes him even mroe attractive.

Rollins did make the All Star team as a rookie. He was 22 at the time and had a Sept call up at 21.

I bet baseballcoach proves to be an entertaining poster for the next few days.

I don't think Wilson Valdez could last a full season. Bench players are just that, bench players. They just aren't good enough to play every day. I'm liking Theriot a lot. he has some pop and he can play everyday until Galvis is ready.

Lore core, I agree jimmy is a great option and better by far than any of the other candidates. I don't agree though that we should get Jimmy at any price. If jimmy get 5 years, 80 million somewhere else, I pass.

5yr/$75M, sign heather up.

I haven't read the posts above, so I hope I'm not revisiting this theme: How about some RedSox Nation revenge for taking Pap away from them?

It wouldn't surprise me one bit.

In fact, on a veteran-laden team like the Red Sox, Rollins would be the perfect, and I do mean perfect fit.

This has been a downtrodden organization ever since the start of the September collapse. Nothing but bad news since. The fanbase is clamoring for something to shout about. This is the best case scenario.

The one caveat, however, is that the everyday lineup is solid anyway and the Sox need starting pitching and some relief more than they do Rollins at short.

The other caveat, however, is that they were spiritually dead in the last month and they need a catalyst. Who better than J-Roll.

So, we have to stay tuned (I mean glued) to our "sources" for the latest.

Finally, I hate the Sox slightly less than the Celtics, but more than spit. I would kill, yes, kill me to have Rollins playing for the enemy!!!

Only if Jimmy promises to take whatever Braun was taking this year.

I think this whole thing speaks volumes. Rube usually targets his guy and throws boatloads of cash and at least one extra year at him. Not exactly genius negotiating, just knowing what you want and using vast resources to get it. In this case he would appear to be playing it close to the vest. Kind of rope-a-doping Jimmy. Rube must really be on the fence about Rollins, otherwise he would have wrapped this up weeks ago. It also makes me wonder about Hamels. Rube is usually hyper-aggressive when he gets horny for a player. Maybe he has misgivings about Cole too.

I don't know if Jimmy would be comfortable batting in the bottom of the BoSox lineup.

I don't know if Jimmy would be happy with Bobby V either.

If Jimmy Rollins gives the BoSox fans something to get excited about, they're in more trouble than I thought.

I truly don't think it would matter that much to Rollins where he hits. If he can sniff apennant and beyond (for him an new challenge in a new arena) he could swallow hard on that one.

I'm guessing that your comment about Sox fans and Rollins is an attempt to be glib, Willard, because I couldn't disagree with you more.

Maybe we can all see the warts from within, but Rollins is definitely on a high pedestal nationally. Don't discount his MVP season. If I'm a Sox fan, I would be drooling all over him, especially on the heels of years, yes, years of mediocrity at shortstop.

baseballcoach: For those who have not seen Galvis play. I have, I've seen him move runners along by hitting behind the runner, laying down a bunt, making contact on the ground with a runner on 3rd, just the type of hitter this team is lacking. You don't need a .300 hitter, you need someone who can move runners along.

I've seen him play repeatedly. He isn't what you're making him out to be. In the 8 hole in the Phillies line up against major league pitching much of what you describe is mitigated. Plus his defense is vastly overrated. If he's the starting ss in 2012, people will be going all Dom Brown on him by June.

does this mean the phils are looking at hanley???

Huh? Someone hit the panic button on this post. The Sox signed Punto.

Always liked Punto. Hated that they traded him. C'est la vie.

I say sign Ryan Theriot then sign Cuddyer. roster set See Ya Jimmy.

Ryan Theriot: 32 and awful

Cuddyer: good hitter, but deaf in his left ear, so has played a total of 15 games on the left side in the past 6 years: 14 at 3B, and 1 (2 innings) in LF

Maybe that can be overcome with handsignals, but point is he hasn't tried that very much.

The phillies will sign Jroll

The guy I like is Gordon Beckham with the White Sox. He was an all-american shortstop with the University of Georgia as a shortstop. He is not anywhere as comfortable playing 2B. He has good range. At Georgia and in the minor leagues, he really hit the ball including for power. I think that with Beckham playing for Charle, he will blossom. He'll also fit perfectly with guys like Utley and Pence.

baseballcoach: For those who have not seen Galvis play. I have, I've seen him move runners along by hitting behind the runner, laying down a bunt, making contact on the ground with a runner on 3rd, just the type of hitter this team is lacking. You don't need a .300 hitter, you need someone who can move runners along.

I've seen him play repeatedly. He isn't what you're making him out to be. In the 8 hole in the Phillies line up against major league pitching much of what you describe is mitigated. Plus his defense is vastly overrated

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