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Wednesday, August 17, 2011

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I'll stick with Matsui - lead reptile.

Thome is a significant upgrade over Gload but there is no way in hell he falls to the Phils on waivers.

I'd be alright with Casey Blake. I know Fuentes has been on the Phils' radar before but he always throws a bitch fit if he's not closing. But maybe a run at a World Series could change that.

Giambi I want that left stick coming off the bench lastnight would have been perfect instead of Ross choad.

I could be wrong, but I cant see Giambi or Thome making it through waivers to the Phils.

Stairs!

Thome is to Gload, what a 2011 BMW M5 is to a 1988 Yugo.

If Thome were to become available, which I really doubt, Gload would be gone pretty quickly.

I was thinking , when I watched last night's game , how unintimidating our PH options are.

I would have rather seen Mayberry or Francisco take a shot at driving in Chooch if that 9th inning situation were to come up again.
Seems like a long time since Gload has looked anything like a "professional hitter", as our TV voices like to say.

Also, it would be sweet justice if the Phils got Matsui and cut Francisco and then played the Yankees in the WS. Francisco was depants by the Yanks in '09, humiliated and exposed, while Matsui was a one-man wrecking crew.

Hail Cloutius.

The Yankees did snub Matsui a bit and he may have had Charlie's baseball card in his collection.

***Charlie Manuel would love to have Thome, but is he an upgrade over Ross Gload***

This is a question?


***Charlie Manuel would love to have Thome, but is he an upgrade over Ross Gload***

This is a question?

Posted by: NEPP | Wednesday, August 17, 2011 at 04:11 PM

I can only assume that it's a rhetorical question.

Drew S:"Charlie Manuel would love to have Thome, but is he an upgrade over Ross Gload? What about Jason Giambi of the Rockies? In terms of middle infielders, there is the Dodgers' Jamey Carroll and the Mets' Scott Hairston. Any interest?"

Are you suggesting that there is different opinions of who is better between Jim Thome and Ross Gload?

Carlos Ruiz has played more infield than Scott Hairston in the last 3 years, why is he listed middle infield help?

Matsui would be a dream...not gonna happen. I fear the reaper if we keep MM and Valdez

Both Wigginton and Blake would be major upgrades offensively over a combo of Martinez/Valdez, but the Phils combo has the edge on defense.

See as though runs are hard to come by, and Blake can at least make the routine play, I'd like him in the Phils uniform because I think Polly is shot for the season.

Thome or Giambi would be great additions. 1- it means Gload is gone, because he's completely worthless with that gimp hip. 2- Thome and Giambi pose major power threats.

I could see the Phils swinging a deal for a lefty reliever- maybe JP Howell, Gorzelanny, or Choat.

Are we talking Jim Thome now or Jim Thome at Age 60?

If we're talking 20 years in the future, yeah, it might be an argument.

I'd rather activate Michael Jack than have Gload PH at this point.

Casey Blake would be a good fit I think. And I'd love to have Thome back. But it could be that both of them are long shots. Another lefty wouldn't be a bad idea either.

Guilty as charged: Not my best effort writing this post. Fixed the Hairston thing and admitting the Thome/Gload phrasing was crappy too.

My guess, sadly, is that anything the Phils get from Polly from here on out is a bonus. Mini and Exxon are a little scary proposition as late October starters, so would love to see Blake.

Thome, Matsui or Giambi would be huge upgrades, but don't gather that is likely to happen. Hoping Dom makes Gload a little less important than he seems to be now?

As the original b00b, I can't resist:

Matsui > Thome >>> Gload
Blake > Valdez/MiniMart

Jim Thome:

.253/.358/.495 134 wRC+
11 HR, 12 2B
.242 ISO
14.2 % BB rate
27.1% SO rate

Ross Gload:

.253/.358/.495 53 wRC+
0 HR, 4 2B
.053 ISO
2.5% BB rate
22.5% SO rate

Yeah, I'm not so sure Thome would be an upgrade over Gload.


clout: "Thome is to Gload, what a 2011 BMW M5 is to a 1988 Yugo."

Pretty much this. Except that an '88 Yugo can leg out an XBH if need be.

We've been pretty tough on Drew the last couple days...

I really believed the Phillies were going to pick up Cody Ross last year at this time, giving them Cody Ross Gload for the bench.

Problem with Thome is that he thinks Cholly is a good manager, so he must be an idiot.

http://crashburnalley.com/2011/08/17/more-9th-inning-shenanigans/

It is pretty crazy how much Manuel botched the 9th inning last night.

Even Old Phan can't controvert that he made some poor choices last night.

Yes, Charlie is an idiot whose players win in spite of his sheer incompetence. We get it.

Looks like Chooch's unfortunate bounce last night has him out of tonight's lineup. We also get Valdez at third and Mayberry in LF.

Cliff should be batting 7th tonight.

I, for one, welcome our new sabermetric overlords.

Cholly's in-game skills are much improved from his first years, where nearly every game included a WTF or 3. Of course he was at his best when Jimy Williams was here whispering in his ear.

Ill take Carrol an Lilly thank you very much. Werent they going to trade for Lilly last year anyways?

Blake scares me most of out pitchers are ground out type of pitchers this guy cant field. Only balls hit directly at him or a foot to either side. Any ball hit more than a medium speed will guy by him or he will boggle it.

My preference:

Thome
Giambi
Matsui

clout, excellent post.

Drew, relax, there's so much hyperbole on BL, that being understated has it's place. :)

"there's so much hyperbole on BL"

Which is why I feel comfortable in stating that I'd rather have a raging infestation of zombie bed bugs than Jamey Carroll.

Also, I think I speak for everyone on Beerleaguer when I ask when the hell we're going to finally cut Aaron Heilman? What's taking so long?

From ESPN's Matt Meyers today:

"However, when examining the Phils' 2011 résumé, there is one aspect of their performance that raises questions about their postseason chances. To succeed in October, it would stand to reason that you need to be able to beat the best. However, much of the Phillies' gaudy record is based upon the fact that they have beaten up on the worst teams."

CJ, Charlie is not an idiot, but his 'non-move' last night potentially cost his team one game (I say "potentially" because there's no way to know if there would have been a different outcome even if Halladay got pulled).

That one game is unlikely to make any difference unless some other team in the NL goes on a tear and challenges the Phils for the best record.

However, in a short postseason series a manager's proclivities can get magnified, as can a loss like the one the Phillies experienced last night.

This is a tough team, especially mentally, because they've been under the postseason microscope the last 4 years. They experience failure and rebound. So I ain't worried about last night affecting them the rest of the regular season.

However, I would hope that in the postseason Charlie has a better read on a situation like last night.

3r0ck, Meyers is full of sh8t and stupid to b00t.

I posted it on a thread yesterday, and adding last night to their record, the are now 22 - 21 against potential playoff teams (even fringe contenders).

And the last I checked, good teams are supposed to beat up on the worst teams.

When you are nearly 40 games over .500, I think you have shown you can beat up on everybody.

Check out Milwaukee's record outside the sad division they play in and get back to us.

3r0ck, one more thing: Meyers analysis sucks. It really does. You get batter analysis by regular posters on this site.

Examples:

"While the Phils' offense is merely average (seventh in the NL in runs),..."

Bigotto: Ummm, Matt, do you realize that there is a big difference in the Phillies offense since Chase Utley returned to the lineup in Game 47? Have you even looked at teh difference, or are you just not smart enough to figure it out? Better yet, I'll bet you're just one of the lazy mainstream journalists who doesn't do his homework. we get treated to them on a regular basis over at philly.com.

3r0ck, I don't have "insider" status at espn (and just reading Meyer's opening 3 paragraphs confirms my opinion that it's not worth the money), but I'd be interested to know whether he compares the Phillies to other division leaders, and whether he compares the "pre-Utley" and "with Utley" records against winning teams.

Anything less is lazy and lousy journalism.

denny, word.

Thome or Giambi would never ever fall to the Phillies via waivers. It's stupid discussing it. I would love either, but it ain't happening.

Jimmy!!

3r0ck, I don't have "insider" status at espn (and just reading Meyer's opening 3 paragraphs confirms my opinion that it's not worth the money), but I'd be interested to know whether he compares the Phillies to other division leaders, and whether he compares the "pre-Utley" and "with Utley" records against winning teams.

Anything less is lazy and lousy journalism.

Posted by: Bigotto

I don't have it, nor would I pay the money. I did post it here to change the mood and give you guys a few chuckles :-)

Although every other team can block the Phils from picking up a player on waivers, the non-contending teams have no reason to block, some of the contenders will not block if the player does not fit their needs, and no contender would block more than one player who fills the same need. If Matsui, Giambi and Thome are all placed on waivers, the Phils may have a shot at one of them. If the Phils are also looking for a third baseman and a reliever and if there are two or three of each that the team is interested in, the Phils should not have a problem picking up one or two players.

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