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Tuesday, July 19, 2011

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Regarding Cholly's comments about wanting something more than what we already have, I'm pretty sure he said the same thing last year before they got Oswalt...

Giants get Keppinger.

Valdez might as well just take a seat in the bullpen at this point. I get that Martinez may be a better 3B defensively, but did Exxon take a dump in the middle of the locker room floor or something, that he's not getting any of these starts?

Even Dobbs got a few pity starts to try to get some AB's every now and again.

I'm sure the Kemp thing is not true, but I second Jack in being willing to trade the farm for him.

The thing about trading for an OF bat is this- are they going to bench Brown or Ibanez? I guess it would probably be Brown, but as long as you have zero-tool Ibanez in LF, there will be a drain on the lineup no matter who you acquire. Teams would just walk Kemp to get to Raul.

Then again if you're going to deal for Kemp, you'd probably need to start the trade package with Brown, so it's a moot point.

I wish I could go back in time and un-read the rumor.

Nice to see RFD get rewarded for his good play.

Beltran is going to move in the next 48 hours...book it.

Doesn't seem like the Giants gave up more than 2 fringe prospects who might become at best become a decent middle reliever at best.

Ed Wade's fascination with middle relievers will never end.

Yeah, Mayberry is the only one who hit the ball hard last night (other than J-Roll) and he did it 3 times at that. It's not like he can't hit RHP

Wow, I'm a big fan of Brown's potential, but who does Mayberry have to bl&w to get any respect? This is almost inexplicable.

could mayberry be on his way west?

Yay, no pain for Oswalt

Mayberry can't hit RHP to start everyday. His career MLB line so far:

.230/.310/.425 (.734 OPS) with 5 HRs in 113 ABs

I really like Mayberry as a 4th OF who can come off the bench to start vs LHP, have a little pop vs RHP as a PH, and be a late inning defensive sub/baserunner. Can also play all 3 OF positions. Mayberry has shown has he has some value this year if he is utilized properly. I like him a low-cost bench option next year.

I'd rather see RFD in there then Brown right now. No matter what some guys do, they just can't get playing time.

Old Phan - I would mind seeing him play there either tonight but Phils are just going to have to take their lumps with Brown.

Wes-

The Phils need to keep Mayberry. He looks like he's coming around and getting comfortable. His AB's have gotten noticeably better and his strikezone recoginition much improved.

He's always had the tools. Maybe he's finally figured out what he needs to do. The new stance has him covering the plate and quicker on inside pitches. His balance looks better and he is hitting pitches 2 months ago he would have never done anything with (the 2 run single against Dickey being a prime example). Teams keep trying to bust him inside and he keeps putting good swings on them.

It would be nice if he swung at a first pitch every-once-in-a-while (ala Utley) just so he could jump on one of these get me over fastballs and maybe hit one to the cheap seats. But the patient approach has done him more good then harm. He's at least now, someone you feel somewhat comfortable with up there. And you certainly feel good with him patroling the OF.

The Phils might have themselves a nice piece of the puzzle. Not a star piece, but an intriguing piece.

Great news about Vice Roy.

denny b - from your lips...

i genuinely hope that is the case. it sure would be nice for a Bautista like career metamorphisis for Mayberry, even if it's to a considerably smaller scale.

I thought Wilson Valdez had proved his ability as a utility infielder, and would be playing third while Polanco was out.

Now it appears that Michael Martinez has displaced Valdez as the substitute 3rd baseman.

Somebody remind me what happened that produced this shift in the Phillies secondary roster, 'cause I missed it. Martinez doesn't really hit any better than Valdez. He does not have a better arm. Does he field better? Does he have Charlie Manuel's grand kids as hostages? Is Charlie trying to disprove the "tall 3rd baseman" hypothesis? What?

Color me mystified.

Yeah, this was encouraging. Hope it's not spin...

"Roy Oswalt threw almost 50 pitches off a mound today at Wrigley and said he feels the best his body has felt since spring training and was very encouraged by his bullpen session. "

matt-

I'd just like to see him be a solid 4th OF and continue to show improvement. Someone you can plug in there for 2 weeks or a month if you get an injury to one of your starting OF's and not have much falloff.

He'll still go through streaks where he looks bad (because his swing is long). But you have to say the arrow on his career now seems to be pointing upward. Finally.

It's Mets fans reactions to Brown/Beltran trade rumors that have me second guessing it all:

Wait, that Domonic Brown? The 23-year-old outfielder who was ranked the fourth-best prospect in baseball by Baseball America coming into the season?
I mean, it would absolutely destroy me to see Beltran play out the next couple of months with the Phillies. And I approach all trade-deadline speculation with tons of skepticism, as you probably know. But I had no idea we were talking about that caliber prospect.
Because if you’re dealing Beltran for Brown, not only are you trading two months of Beltran’s awesomeness for several years of a highly touted, Major League-ready young outfielder that could blossom into a star, but you’re taking from the Phillies one of their few players on the short side of 30.
Doesn’t smell like something the Phillies would do. Seems like a no-brainer from the Mets’ standpoint, no matter how much it helps their rivals this season.

At any rate, I too think it “doesn’t smell like something the Phillies would do.” And as great a talent Beltran is right now, it would be the quintessential ‘mortgage the future to win now’ move. Whether you think Brown will pan out or not, that’s precisely what RAJ would be doing.

Glad to see Mini Mart is in the 2-hole again tonight. Yeah he has hit a bit of late but I would rather see Vic, Mayberry, or Chooch there. Foolish to give him an extra AB.

Oh, and the above commentary was from Tedquarters.com. Sorry for forgetting to include that.

Wait, are there really some posters on this board that want to see John Mayberry Jr. instead of Dom Brown versus a right hander?

philwynk, Valdez had some very bad defensive games at 3B. The misplayed "double" in the most recent Hamels start comes to mind. Martinez has been decent defensively. He's also been better with the bat than Valdez.

Actually - ignore my last comment. Garza actually has reverse splits. Carry on with your John Mayberry love.

Martinez has looked pretty good at third base in limited action. And it's not like you're benching Brooks Robinson. Valdez is not a good player.

Now as far as putting Martinez in the 2-hole, that's a decision that makes absolutely no sense.

"The misplayed "double" in the most recent Hamels start comes to mind."

"Martinez has looked pretty good at third base in limited action."

I guess this is what I get for "watching" the Phillies in GameDay. I feel blind.

Thanks for the information, guys.

I predict MM actually lays down a bunt today.

I'm not at all on the Bash MM bandwagon but I think Exxon is a better fielder.

Old Phan, not at 3B. Not even close...well, at least this year.

Exxon does have a better arm. No debate there

Reading that Ken Rosenthal wrote that the phillies are pursuing Beltran to form an outfield of Beltran, Vic, and Ibanez is like reading about trading Lee to get Doc. Good news followed by a punch to the gut. Dom Brown has his flaws, defense being primary, but why the hell would he be relegated to the bench or minors so that Ibanez can start? I thought the point of getting a RH bat was to replace Ibanez at this point.

Garza has handled the Phillies pretty well in his 2 career starts. I expect a pitchers duel tonight.

no i don't think that is the case at all. ive never read that

MiniMart at 3B? Small Sample Size much?

How many references to Garza spitting do you think Wheels will make?

MVP - Garza gave up 3 HRs (4 ER total) in 6 IP against the Phils in the WS - to Utley, Howard, Ruiz. That's not pitching so great.

Of course, those were the days when Utley could actually square a ball up.


Hib to the jib

Cubs announcers have been talking about Lee for like 5 minutes now. Nice.

MM has played what, maybe 5 games at 3rd? Hard to judge him at all, let alone being not close to Exxon.

Spitz, that lazy fly out in the first inning doesn't give you hope that Utley can still square 'em up?

8 pitch double to Reed Johnson? Yikes

And so it begins tonight ... everybody knows Bochy cursed Lee too.

God dammit.

That damn Bochy!

ugh

DAMN YOU BOCHY

well, that was fun...

Old Phan, I'm with you, left scratching my head about Exxon. And if he's fallen out of favor to the Rule 5 guy, then might as well just jettison him altogether. You know, leverage organizational redundancies, and all?

Good thing we won't have to play this under 500 team in the playoffs

Hey, its Starlin Castro. You can only keep him in the park for so long...

spitz: In the reguar season Garza is 1-1 against the Phillies with a 1.29 ERA in 14 IP. I think that is pretty good, no?

So, our 3 ace pitchers and our 2 best hitters are all off to great starts in the 2nd half . . .

I guess that box of scorpions I sent to Bochy didn't help.

Feels like a loss, Garza will dominate this lineup tonight - 8 IP 4 H, 1 ER, 1 BB (semi-intentional to Howard to get to Raul).

I will just say it now, Season = Over

Yeah, but Worley AND Kendrick look great!!!

Tilt?

Damn this warm air. That ball is carrying.

Are they using the same bats as we are???????

Feels like a loss.

well, at least Cliff hasn't changed his shirt yet.

And Beltran has 2 doubles tonight. Brown better start packing his stuff...

Ok, no more pitchers at the all star game

Ugh. Unlike Halladay & Hamels, Lee has no way to get hitters out without his A command. If he doesn't find it soon, this could get very ugly very quickly.

Got home late. Wish I hadn't gotten home at all. It's almost august and we have the best record in baseball. Why does it suddenly feel like we're in last place struggling for a win a series?

How about a little chin music here? No one does that anymore.


son.of.a.dirty.whore

Andrew, its only warm during the bottom of each frame. Becomes frigid during the top of the innings.

Time to root on Ubaldo Jimenez against the Braves.

Maybe there's rolly derby on somewhere.

Maybe the Phils can get a couple of the .300 hitters in the Cubs' lineup.

what a great third baseman

If we can't stop the bleeding, this would be the optimal game to get our long man some work.

Oh wait....

Valdez has played that bad at 3B this year. Having a nice arm at 3B only matters if he can catch the ball. SSS, of course. We are talking about utility players.

THAT was a nice play.

Even those 2 outs were absolutely smashed.

web gem for mini mart.

One thing about these few innings in Chicago -- we're getting reminded what it looks like when professional hitters square up a pitch.

whoa. LCD backhand system!

Not sure Exxan would've made that play at third.

Nice play, MM

Nice job Martinez. SSS withstanding, I have been pretty impressed with his defense at 3rd. If only we could teach him to hit better, then we would have found have found his niche.

Yeah, we should also note that when we exclaim at the beginning of each season "Player X is just waiting for it to get warm out," that Player X only wants it warm to a certain degree, at which point it can be too hot, too.

Basically, if we can get a string of games with the optimal 74-75 degrees with 65% humidity and a nice marine layer, we'll crank off a nice win streak.

The first out was a broken bat humpback liner. Not exactly smashed. But he hasn't looked good, regardless.

They have smashed some balls but they have also shown how to take pitchers and work an AB - esp last night when Halladay was about to pass out.

Not saying we are going to lose this series, but IF we do it would be our first series loss in over a month. Let that marinate. Unreal.

How did Howard not launch that onto the street?

Garza feeling no need to even waste a pitch against Ryan.

With the day game tomorrow, surely Valdez has to get the nod, probably to spell Utley? Ditto Schneider and JMJ.

MVP, that would be great if the Braves weren't playing better baseball than the Phillies right now. There is a huge premium to win the NL East this year, b/c the winner will almost certainly take on the winner of the crappy NL Central, while the wild card team will battle the Giants. I think everyone would agree that the Phils, Giants, and Braves are the best three team (by far) in the NL, so its imperative to win the division.


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the rare BB for Raul.

I like how they keep showing Cy Lopez in the Cubs dugout.

spitz: That is all well and good, but a series loss here and there won't kill you believe it or not. Braves have the exact record as last year at this time while the Phillies are 11 games better than this time last year. The Braves usually fade at the end while the Phillies get stronger. It will be alright.

Bop, it's the 2nd inning. Have a drink.

Utley/Howard are 2-31 and counting since the break . . .

The way people are obsessed with the division race on July 19th, you would think it is September 19th. Relax people.

Additionally, by September, the Braves bullpen arms will have fallen off, so they will (presumably) not be pitching nearly as well.

Why would you give Brown an outside fastball there 2-2 instead of on the inside corner?

J. Rollins SS WASHED UP POP UP KING
M. Martinez 3B ZERO TOOL SCRUB
C. Utley 2B NO MORE POWER
R. Howard 1B MOST OVERPAID EVER
S. Victorino CF DECENT
R. Ibanez LF STIFF
D. Brown RF SCRUB
C. Ruiz C DECENT

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