How can this game be the most impt in the season with the lineup we're fielding? With as bad as the team looks, we're still in first place. Nobody said it was a picnic - that's why it feels so good when you win. Even the best of seasons has some bad stretches, and this is certainly one of those. We're not even playing a division rival. Sure, it would be great to win tonight and every game and it would be great to hold a five game lead all season, but we should let the team overcome some injuries before declaring this game so important.
"... we should let the team overcome some injuries before declaring this game so important."
somewhat echoes a Matt Gelb Tweet from earlier today
"A bit confused by all this trade/needs talk. Let's actually see the regular lineup for at least a month before making judgments."
While I agree that tonight's is niether the most important of the season, nor should the Phillies feel forced to make a deal RIGHT NOW!, consider the following:
What happens in the event that getting the Phillies' "regular lineup" healthy & together for a full month never occurs?
It might not be time to panic, but I have a strong sense that r00b will eventually be forced to make a move, & he might want to begin the process sooner rather than later. Given the history of the players involved, the prospects for this team being healthy -- let alone healthy AND productive -- for a significant portion of the season seems like wishful thinking.
And if Utley and Brown can both be productive in this lineup there's still a lineup for success. I don't think it's panic time unless we learn they cannot be productive.
Hypothetical: Say Utley & Dom return as regulars, & play well, but then any of the following occur -- Vic has to miss an extended amount of time, Polanco &/or Chooch tweak their backs, J-Roll pulls up lame ...
Barely 25% of the way through the '11 season, & the Phillies have already had the following players miss time due to injury:
While it may still technically be "early", I think the fact that the replacements the Phillies have on their roster & available from their farm system are NOT enough to keep the team afloat should the injury bug continue to bite has become fairly obvious.
As I said, r00b should feel forced to make a move right this minute, but he ought to keep his eyes open & be ready to deal when capable INF &/or OF bats become available.
awh - feels like we go thru this at least once every summer. fire charlie. rube/pat need to do something - NOW! fire rube/pat. it just doesn't normally happen when the phils are still in first place.
Matt Gelb (via Twitter): "Jose Contreras allows four runs on three hits in his first rehab outing for single-A Clearwater. Can't finish the first. 21 pitches."
I'll venture a guess how this one turns out. Cole cruises for 5 or 6 innings but eventually makes a bad pitch which Car-Go or Helton deposit in the seats for a solo homerun. Romero eventually takes over in the 8th & promptly issues a walk, HBP and single. Rockies win 2-0. Phillies have their 5th straight game with fewer than 5 hits.
For all the talk about our makeshift lineup, our terrible offense has less to do with Pete Orr, Michael Martinez, Wilson Valdez, and Dane Sardinha than it does with Ryan Howard, Jimmy Rollins, Carlos Ruiz, Ben Francisco, and Raul Ibanez.
Wow, Is there somewhere these guys have to be tonight??? Looks like they are trying to get this game over with as soon as possible. Greg Gross, Milton Thompson blah blah blah, it doesn't matter who the batting coach is this team never had, and will never have patience!!!!
I read what y'all wrote about me this afternoon and I am about to call half of you into my office for a mano a fisto. Eskin never showed, how 'bout you Schweitzer and Heather?
Believe me, I'm happy to have the run. But when was the last time we actually scored a run without the aid of either a defensive blunder or an aberrant bout of wildness from the opposing pitcher?
See that was a good point by Sarge. With a guy like Lee it's easier to squeeze on since he has good control and is always around the plate. With De La Rosa you not only run the risk of getting a bad pitch to bunt but also Hamels taking one in the chest or knee or something.
You implying something about 'Purple Drank' and Cole Hamels?
Posted by: MG | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 05:45 PM
COLE IN THE GAME TREAD+ WIN!!!
Posted by: Jay | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 05:46 PM
THREAD...SRY
Posted by: Jay | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 05:46 PM
Anyway.to me this is a MUST win tonight.....
Posted by: Jay | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 05:52 PM
"Most important game of the season so far?"
Posted by: Willard Preacher | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 05:56 PM
to me yes......want to see some fire in these guys!!!!!!
Posted by: Jay | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 05:59 PM
Please rain...
Posted by: Steve | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 06:09 PM
5 phillies in the line-up with BAs below MLB average of .255. some well below.
Posted by: bullit | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 06:09 PM
I feel the urge to go back to school and get an MBA.
Posted by: Hugh Mulcahy | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 06:13 PM
How can this game be the most impt in the season with the lineup we're fielding? With as bad as the team looks, we're still in first place. Nobody said it was a picnic - that's why it feels so good when you win. Even the best of seasons has some bad stretches, and this is certainly one of those. We're not even playing a division rival. Sure, it would be great to win tonight and every game and it would be great to hold a five game lead all season, but we should let the team overcome some injuries before declaring this game so important.
Posted by: Little Ollie | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 06:20 PM
not the most important of the season so much. but arguably the most important so far as we try to halt a season high winless streak.
Posted by: bullit | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 06:26 PM
"... we should let the team overcome some injuries before declaring this game so important."
somewhat echoes a Matt Gelb Tweet from earlier today
"A bit confused by all this trade/needs talk. Let's actually see the regular lineup for at least a month before making judgments."
While I agree that tonight's is niether the most important of the season, nor should the Phillies feel forced to make a deal RIGHT NOW!, consider the following:
What happens in the event that getting the Phillies' "regular lineup" healthy & together for a full month never occurs?
It might not be time to panic, but I have a strong sense that r00b will eventually be forced to make a move, & he might want to begin the process sooner rather than later. Given the history of the players involved, the prospects for this team being healthy -- let alone healthy AND productive -- for a significant portion of the season seems like wishful thinking.
Posted by: GTown_Dave | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 06:28 PM
nevermind. of course you meant so far.
Posted by: bullit | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 06:31 PM
How do you say Cy Young in Spanish-Coloradian? Jorge De La RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRosa
Posted by: whitey | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 06:37 PM
Whether RAJ makes a move or not depends a lot on Utley and Domonic Brown, IMO.
Posted by: Little Ollie | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 06:38 PM
I agree little ollie
Posted by: Jay | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 06:41 PM
And if Utley and Brown can both be productive in this lineup there's still a lineup for success. I don't think it's panic time unless we learn they cannot be productive.
Posted by: Little Ollie | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 06:46 PM
still a "plan" for success
Posted by: Little Ollie | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 06:47 PM
Hypothetical: Say Utley & Dom return as regulars, & play well, but then any of the following occur -- Vic has to miss an extended amount of time, Polanco &/or Chooch tweak their backs, J-Roll pulls up lame ...
Barely 25% of the way through the '11 season, & the Phillies have already had the following players miss time due to injury:
Starting 2B
Starting 3B
Starting CF
Starting C
Backup C
#3 Starting Pitcher
#5 Starting Pitcher
#1 Closer
#2 Closer
LOOGY
Promising RHRP
While it may still technically be "early", I think the fact that the replacements the Phillies have on their roster & available from their farm system are NOT enough to keep the team afloat should the injury bug continue to bite has become fairly obvious.
As I said, r00b should feel forced to make a move right this minute, but he ought to keep his eyes open & be ready to deal when capable INF &/or OF bats become available.
Posted by: GTown_Dave | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 06:47 PM
Edit: Duh. Ought to read "r00b shouldn't" ...
Posted by: GTown_Dave | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 06:51 PM
raining......
Posted by: Jay | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 06:59 PM
I just skimmed the last few threads.
Reading through them made me feel deja vu all over again. Feels like the summer of 2010 on BL.
Posted by: awh | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:00 PM
Hmmm ...
Current NEXRAD Weather: Philadelphia, PA
The + under the "e" in "Philadelphia marks the approx. location of the ballpark. Looks like the first few innings are gonna be wet.
Posted by: GTown_Dave | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:03 PM
awh - feels like we go thru this at least once every summer. fire charlie. rube/pat need to do something - NOW! fire rube/pat. it just doesn't normally happen when the phils are still in first place.
Posted by: conshy matt | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:04 PM
conshy, exactly.
Posted by: awh | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:05 PM
Hey, I just had a thought, an intelligent question just for clout:
[typed with an English accent]:
Do you think it makes sense to solve the Phillies catching woes by trading for Jorge Posada?
Posted by: awh | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:06 PM
it's kinda funny, actually. and it's not like i'm not frustrated by the phils recent play. sometimes people forget that "it's baseball".
i think mike said it best on one of the last threads: i'm glad some of these posters aren't running this team. (paraphrasing)
Posted by: conshy matt | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:08 PM
awh - can i answer?
no.
Posted by: conshy matt | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:09 PM
cole just walked amezaga on 4 pitches. trade the bum!
Posted by: conshy matt | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:11 PM
a lamp post has a better arm than posada.no thanks
Posted by: wes covington | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:13 PM
Great tag by Polly. Mayberry continues to show he belongs.
Posted by: Fatalotti | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:13 PM
Mayberry!!!
Posted by: GTown_Dave | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:13 PM
Congrats Cole on your 1,000th inning. So glad you're on the Phillies!!
Posted by: Fatalotti | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:14 PM
Mayberry to Francsico "please find your seat on the bench, clown"
Posted by: nonamePHame | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:14 PM
i haven't seen a thrwarted first to third by the phils all year. nice arm junior.
Posted by: conshy matt | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:15 PM
Mayberry did a great job of charging that ball and getting off a strong throw.
Posted by: The Truth Injection | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:15 PM
L.A. opining that something looks "off" w/ Hamels, he's just not sure what it is.
Posted by: GTown_Dave | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:15 PM
Nice seeing a putout from rf.
Posted by: gjs | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:16 PM
TTI, definitely.
Posted by: Fatalotti | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:16 PM
the ump looks like 'alien' with that helmet. or is it just me?
Posted by: conshy matt | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:18 PM
Matt Gelb (via Twitter): "Jose Contreras allows four runs on three hits in his first rehab outing for single-A Clearwater. Can't finish the first. 21 pitches."
Posted by: GTown_Dave | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:19 PM
I can see it a little bit, conshy.
Posted by: Fatalotti | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:20 PM
Edit: 3 Runs on 4 Hits. Either way, not good.
Posted by: GTown_Dave | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:20 PM
does contreras rehab at a nursing home or at a regular facility?
Posted by: conshy matt | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:22 PM
Conshy, the softball team for a retirement village in Leisuretown.
Posted by: Fatalotti | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:23 PM
16 Pitches. We should celebrate.
Posted by: GTown_Dave | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:23 PM
more of an assisted living then...gotcha.
Posted by: conshy matt | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:24 PM
GTown: Exactly what I was thinking. When was the last time they made the pitcher throw more than 15 pitches in the 1st?
Posted by: SLO Phan | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:26 PM
On MLB Gameday, it sure looks like a tiny strikezone. How's it look in real life?
Posted by: SLO Phan | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:29 PM
SLO Phan: Nit-picky. Again.
Posted by: GTown_Dave | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:31 PM
Strike zone is tight, but all TMac is talking about is the cotton candy.
Posted by: 3r0ck | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:32 PM
Chooch'd.
Posted by: GTown_Dave | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:34 PM
Of course Helton is playing ON the line. Can't buy a hit right now.
Posted by: Fatalotti | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:38 PM
Anybody else getting tired of hearing this sentence after inning the Phillies bat? "3 up, 3 down."
Posted by: gjs | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:41 PM
gjs - very.
Posted by: conshy matt | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:42 PM
I can't believe I look forward to only Mayberry's spot in the lineup.
Posted by: Marv | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:42 PM
Cole's good. Can we please reward him with some run support?
Posted by: GBrettfan | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:45 PM
JW should start a contest to spice things up while we watch the goose eggs roll: guess the month, date, and hitter of the next Phillie HR.
Posted by: curt | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:46 PM
GBrettfan: No.
Posted by: GTown_Dave | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:47 PM
The Stump the Fans answer is Bruce Ruffin
Posted by: The Truth Injection | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:47 PM
Valdez tried his darndest to GIDP. Once again, the opposing defense bailed us out.
Posted by: Fatalotti | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:49 PM
Why is Valdez even allowed to swing? Charlie should send him up there and tell him not to lift the bat off his shoulder.
Posted by: SLO Phan | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:50 PM
Pathetic.
Posted by: GTown_Dave | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:53 PM
The Phillies have an uncanny ability right now to turn hitters counts into weak groundballs and lazy pop-ups.
Posted by: Fatalotti | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:53 PM
Damn, this team is dull.
Posted by: Marv | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 07:56 PM
Cole is good
Posted by: jbird | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:01 PM
I'm glad for the Ks, but I understand the ire of the Rockies. Those were not being called Strikes the first time around.
Posted by: GTown_Dave | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:01 PM
I'll venture a guess how this one turns out. Cole cruises for 5 or 6 innings but eventually makes a bad pitch which Car-Go or Helton deposit in the seats for a solo homerun. Romero eventually takes over in the 8th & promptly issues a walk, HBP and single. Rockies win 2-0. Phillies have their 5th straight game with fewer than 5 hits.
Posted by: bay_area_phan | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:02 PM
This offense takes me back to the phils of the late 90's - so many AAAA players in this lineup.
Posted by: Charlie Hayes | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:03 PM
Chico's not gonna get on base for the rest of the year, is he?
Posted by: GTown_Dave | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:04 PM
I don't think I've ever seen a non-pitcher who telegraphs his intention to bunt at an earlier point than Michael Martinez.
Posted by: bay_area_phan | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:04 PM
BAP, I'm not so sure the Phillies get another hit this night.
Posted by: Fatalotti | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:05 PM
Wow. 44 pitches through 4 innings. Not a lot of patience.
Posted by: SLO Phan | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:06 PM
Pitch Count: De La Rosa, -12; Hamels, Eleventy
Posted by: GTown_Dave | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:07 PM
ESPN talking about how great De La Rosa is pitching - every pitcher looks great against this lineup. Can they mention that?
Posted by: Charlie Hayes | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:07 PM
For all the talk about our makeshift lineup, our terrible offense has less to do with Pete Orr, Michael Martinez, Wilson Valdez, and Dane Sardinha than it does with Ryan Howard, Jimmy Rollins, Carlos Ruiz, Ben Francisco, and Raul Ibanez.
Posted by: bay_area_phan | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:09 PM
BAP, your prediction almost came true.
Posted by: Fatalotti | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:10 PM
They just showed Ibanez in the dugout checking the schedule for the next time they play the Nats.
Posted by: Bobby Cocks | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:10 PM
Wow, Is there somewhere these guys have to be tonight??? Looks like they are trying to get this game over with as soon as possible. Greg Gross, Milton Thompson blah blah blah, it doesn't matter who the batting coach is this team never had, and will never have patience!!!!
Posted by: madubbs | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:10 PM
Nothing dull about watching Cole pitch.
Posted by: Old Phan | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:11 PM
The Rox will jack one sooner or later - Cole seems to always give one up.
Posted by: Bobby Cocks | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:13 PM
Fat: Hopefully that was the meatball I predicted.
Posted by: bay_area_phan | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:14 PM
We are offended by the "Never never never" lady in the WB Mason commercial.
Posted by: The Black Community | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:15 PM
madubbs: Jeebus couldn't make 1/2 these guys better hitters.
Posted by: jbird | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:16 PM
How high can the jackpot get in the Phils' HR inning? Is there a limit?
Posted by: MG | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:21 PM
De La Rosa looks odd out of the stretch.
When he doesnt pause on his leg kick he looks uncomfortable.
Posted by: Mick in Houston | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:21 PM
Here comes the Inning Ending GIDP ..
Posted by: GTown_Dave | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:21 PM
Please walk Exxon
Posted by: Marv | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:22 PM
And De La Rosa bails us out!
Posted by: GTown_Dave | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:22 PM
Nice. Can't be an inning ending GIDP.
Posted by: Old Phan | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:22 PM
The wild pitch saved Valdez from a double play grounder.
Posted by: Bobby Cocks | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:22 PM
If Exxon were a pitcher they'd bunt him to avoid the GIDP and get to the better hitting guy behind him.
Posted by: Andy | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:22 PM
I read what y'all wrote about me this afternoon and I am about to call half of you into my office for a mano a fisto. Eskin never showed, how 'bout you Schweitzer and Heather?
Posted by: Charlie Manuel | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:23 PM
As good as...well. Better than a bunt actually.
Posted by: Andy | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:23 PM
That has to be a huge relief. Now let's find a way to get Ruiz home.
Posted by: The Truth Injection | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:23 PM
I'll take that.
Posted by: Old Phan | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:24 PM
A Run! An actual Run! :-D
Posted by: GTown_Dave | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:24 PM
Charlie: You're proving them right. You should be watching the game.
Posted by: Marv | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:25 PM
Believe me, I'm happy to have the run. But when was the last time we actually scored a run without the aid of either a defensive blunder or an aberrant bout of wildness from the opposing pitcher?
Posted by: bay_area_phan | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:25 PM
See that was a good point by Sarge. With a guy like Lee it's easier to squeeze on since he has good control and is always around the plate. With De La Rosa you not only run the risk of getting a bad pitch to bunt but also Hamels taking one in the chest or knee or something.
Posted by: The Truth Injection | Wednesday, May 18, 2011 at 08:25 PM