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Saturday, April 30, 2011


What Lowe did is far worse than what McDowell or Rocker did. All McDowell did was offend some people.

Lowe put lives in danger by driving a car under the influence, but that story will get swept under the rug because of McDowell's inconsequential, albeit crude, actions.

By the way, has Mayberry earned his chance to fully platoon with Ibanez?

G_Town: Rosenthal says what McDowell did was not as bad as Rocker because it was in the heat of the moment?

Simulating anal sex with a baseball bat is something that you do in the heat of the moment?

With a nutcase like McDowell, quite possibly. Regardless, if he had to be put on "Administrative Leave" (an action w/ which I have no problem, by the way), then Lowe should absolutely be suspended for a start or two. DUI isn't a matter of people feeling threatened &/or being offended, it's a matter of life & death.

Americans have a much higher tolerance for drinking and driving though as evidenced by both the punishments (quite relaxed compared to most industrialized countries) and the lack of relative social stigma attached to it.

Remember that 13 game stretch through the SD series where the Phils failed to score more than 4 runs. They were 9-4 in those games. And also 9-4 in the other 13 games this year.

Pretty consistent.

GTown, exactly. MG, of course you're correct about that, and the fact that McDowell's issue is getting all the air play and Lowe's isn't helps feed that lack of stigma.

MG: And a rather low tolerance for speech that is, or is even perceived to be, "offensive". Misplaced priorities, if you ask me. *shrugs*

Fatalotti: I know logic & Charlie don't always enjoy spending time together, but I have to think platooning Mayberry & Ibañez is a given at this point.

Considering how much money the booze industry gives to sports, it's a tough balancing act. You don't want to encourage drinking and driving, but that's exactly what they're doing.

I think Mayberry has earned a chance to platoon with Gload. I mean geeze, Ibanez can't even hit righthanded pitching right now

Was Sardinha Player of the Game? I'm not a professional lip reader but it looked as if he asked for the ball after the game and Halladay agreed. Big game for Dane.

Old Phan: Agreed. MLB also has no problem continuing to lock Pete Rose out of the game, but there are prominent ads for casinos in several ballparks. Hypocrisy & Bud Selig are bosom buddies.

Talking about the McDowell situation doesn't mean I think it is worse than drinking or driving or that I was even comparing the two.

Is it possible to talk about one thing without it having an implication on my thoughts about the other?

No one commented on your concerns Gsl. The comments were directed towards media coverage.

Gsl: It's not at all a reflection on you, but it is a reflection -- & I think a poor one -- on MLB. And seeing as how this is a situation w/ a couple of members of the same team committing almost simultaneous acts of idiocy, wherein one is instantly banished & the other is not, it's very difficult to not compare the two.

Some people need to realize that runs scored from the 7th inning on count just as much as runs scored through the first 6.

Posted by: CJ | Saturday, April 30, 2011 at 03:52 PM

Isn't that the reverse of what Mets fans wanted us to believe in '07 & '08?

Fat/G_town: Roger that, thanks for clarifying.

Braves' expected W/L is 16-12, Phillies' is 17-9. The Phillies are a better team, as shown by the records and the expected records, but the Braves are absolutely not buried.

Many of the people celebrating the Braves' demise already were the same people who (rightly) pointed out last year that a 6 game lead with 60 to play is not insurmountable. 7 games with 130+ to play is nothing.

That said, while the schedule has been a bit soft, this Phils team has the look of a 100+ win team. Phils are on pace for 112 now, and the best player on the team isn't back yet.

Was Sardinha Player of the Game? I'm not a professional lip reader but it looked as if he asked for the ball after the game and Halladay agreed. Big game for Dane. Posted by: Meyer | Saturday

Maybe it was his first ML CG SO

Mike: Might have been his first MLB CG, but it wasn't a SO.

Fat - Absolutely but Cholly will be a mule about it at least until June. He adamantly insisted in Arizona there won't be a platoon & after watching him for 6+ years now I believe him.

One of his greatest strengths and weaknesses simultaneously as a manager is his steadfast nature (I would argue he is more stubborn than anything). Generally serves him well over the course of a season but not as much during the course of individual games.

What I find hilarious is how Cholly talked all spring about how he was going to have to use his bench this year in the early going especially. The only guy who has really played alot has been Orr.

Mayberry has had started 5 games but largely only because Ibanez has been so awful this month. Gload hasn't started a game yet. Mini-Mart has started 2 games.

What I don't understand is why platooning Ibanez/Mayberry is a big deal in the first place. Ibanez is 39. No other team in the AL or NL starts a 38 or 39-year old OF everyday. The next oldest starting OF in MLB currently is Ichiro at 37. He is the only 37-year old starting OF in MLB.

Every other team in MLB seems to realize that the OF is a position that requires a fair degree of athleticism and speed neither of which Ibanez has much in ample supply anymore.

The other irony is that Cholly has complained about the lack of power 2x already this year and yet he sits Mayberry (a source of power) vs. LHP. Another head-scratcher.

I am not advocating that Ibanez gets benched. Far from it. I want to continue to see him start vs. RHP because the Phils really do need to find out if he is cooked & they really don't have a better alternative at this point.

Mayberry brings some real positives to the table but I do think he would get exposed if he started everyday in LF.

Ibanez would still get the lion's share of PT in LF and start 4-5 times a week yet I guess this idea is too controversial yet I would imagine almost every other manager in baseball would implement a platoon in LF in the interim but it is simply the sensible thing to do.

Oh yeah, oops.....

MG, agree in every respect. Excellent post.

David Hale tweets: Dane Sardinha has caught three of Halladay's starts. Halladay has completed all of them.


And people wonder why Sardinha got the call and not Kratz? It couldn't be more clear.

CJ: So clear that no one on here mentioned that until David Hale tweeted it, apparently.

I mentioned it a couple threads ago.

I still think it's an Asian-Pacific Islander Night tie-in.

Dunno if repost, but Sandoval is out for 4-6 weeks with a broken wrist (hamate bone). Same injury D. Brown is recovering from.

CJ - That's a good point. Sardinha also had a decent enough day at the plate with 2 BBs.

Thought Sardinha had the key AB of the day in the 7th when he took 4 straight pitches from Niese to work a BB. He realized that the wheels were coming off Niese and didn't force things. It turned out to be a huge AB.

Jack: Um... except I did say it. Well, not the part about the 3 complete games, but I said it was obvious he was up because the staff was more comfortable with him. Maybe you missed that...

The one thing that was annoying about the Fox broadcast today was the constant slobbering over Niese. Niese was pitching really until he hung that curveball to Mayberry. After that he just completely lost his focus.

I still laughed really hard when the Niese praise reached a crescendo in the bottom of the 6th when McCarver said he could be a 'future superstar' who could win 15-18 games annually. Even the most diehard Mets' fan wouldn't issue that kind of over-hyped proclamation.

It's important to note that the 6-7-8, who have been quite atrocious of late, scores both runs today. Valdez scored on Polly's sac fly, and Mayberry, obviously, scored on his solo shot.

You DO need production from that part of the order, since Howard can't hit home runs every game.

No1: And Zimmerman needs the same surgery that Raul had in '09. In the meantime I won't miss the Phils having to face him.

CJ: Oh, so all you're doing here is posting to say "I told you so"?


Jack: Not at all. You seem to be taking it as such. No one else did.

Well when he first got called up, Amaro I think it was said something about the decision being because he was familiar with the staff.

CJ: I'm joking around. I don't care about that sort of thing at all. I do it all the time. But it is what you were doing, you might as well just be cool with it.

C'mon, CJ. If I can readily admit to viewing the game from a decidedly negative perspective, surely you can man up & admit to taking gleeful advantage of every possible opportunity for making an "I told you so" post.

Fucking Flyers...

Meanwhile, it's 5-2 Bruins in the 3rd.

Polanco game into today with a .390 AVG and raised his average to .398 with a 2-3 day. Even he seemed pretty surprised after the game and said he had never been this hot during his professional or minor league career.

When I want to say I told you so... I pretty much come out and say it. Some folks are little sensitive today. Must be rough when the team is winning again.

GTown: MASN, the TV outlet fot the Natinals, is my primary source for watching the Phils. Listening to Bob Carpenter whining about not having Zimmerman for 6 games they play vs the Phils will be unbearable.

Bob Carpenter's constant Bandbox references are pretty unbearable, too.

No1: My condolences. I had hoped expunging the execrable Rob Dibble would make Nats broadcasts more listenable. Not so much, though.

April pitching breakdown:


67 1/3 IP, 5-2, 2.67 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, 8 SV, 0 BS, 6.7 K/9, 4.1 BB/9

With the exception of Herndon, they have gotten the job even if they had a few guys with control problems.


167 2/3 IP, 13-6, 3.38 ERA, 1.11 WHIP, 8.8 K/9, 2.0 BB/9, 73% QS, 6.4 IP/G

What is more impressive is the Big 4:

21 G, 137 1/3 IP, 12-5, 3.08 ERA, 1.06 WHIP, 9.2 K/9, 1.7 BB/9, 76% QS, 6.5 IP/G

This team is going to go as far as the Big 4 carries them and if they keep having months like this they will keep winning alot of games regardless of how mediocre the offense is. Crazy thing is I don't think is rotation pitched as well as it possibly can either.

Sandoval broke his hambone so he could enjoy the sweet, sweet marrow within. Oh, wait, we're not talking about food?

Halladay is now 5-0 in 6 GS vs. Mets in a Phils' uniform with a 1.89 ERA.

Halladay hasn't lost to an NL East team since last June 10th. Since then he is 11-0 in 11 GS.

Halladay vs. Santana

Santana owned the Phils from 2008-09 when he went 4-1 in 9 GS with a 2.98 ERA. It really wasn't until last year on that Sunday night game on May 2 that they finally really got to him and scored 10 runs to knock him out of the game in the 4th inning.

As dominant as Santana has been (and he kicked their a$$ in '08), Halladay has been even better so far. Wonder when the Mets' finally get the better of Halladay in a start.

The 2 Braves situations are treated differently because everyone is in fear of offending the gay community and their powerful lobby. Not so much with MADD.

Who cares if McDowell behaved the way many typical men behave? Gloria Allred, that'$ who. It is called a shakedown.

Before anyone jumps all over me, I in no way condone anything McDowell did. He should be fired. Lowe should attend the Tony LaRussa driving school.

I was thinking, when's the last time that a player came into Philadelphia, with incredible hype and expectations, and was so overwhelmingly successful and dominant?

Allen Iverson was an incredible talent, but there were always concerns with his work ethic, his ability to to be a team player, and lead his team to a championship.

Donovan McNabb led his team to 5 NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl, but always faced contention that he couldn't come up in the clutch. The team's inability to win the big game was always placed on his back. He was always notably inaccurate in the short range.

Terrell Owens, even in his brief one year of incredible success, still carried the baggage that he was a locker room cancer.

Eric Lindros' detractors were well documented.

Ryan Howard, Cole Hamels and Jimmy Rollins, even after having delivered a championship this city, still face criticism at nearly every turn.

I'm not old enough to remember the days of Michael Jack and Carlton, but I know that they faced criticism, and I know people who enjoyed Carlton's pitching, but hated his personality.

I could go through many anems, but point being, I really can't think of any one thing about which I can criticize regarding Halladay. He's an absolute class act, his work ethic and desire to compete are impeccable. His character is beyond reproach. He consistently takes his team deep into the game, almost always gives them a chance to win, if not flat out winning it himself.

He may be one of the greatest athletes to ever walk into this city. Incredible and I'm glad we get to watch him every fifth day.

McDowell should be fired. Lowe should be incarcerated.

"everyone is in fear of offending the gay community and their powerful lobby."

Lamest comment i've read on this topic.

Fata, agreed.

"Who cares if McDowell behaved the way many typical men behave? Gloria Allred, that'$ who. It is called a shakedown."

Goody, I apologize. I didn't see this comment.

Well said, Fat.

Fat: Get back to me when Doc gets a ring! ;-)

Old Phan: I actually don't think that comment is that lame. MADD and the anti-drunk driving community has actually had difficulty getting traction in the media in the same way that organizations like GLAAD have.

So the Big 4 are on pace to win 72 games? That's not too shabby.

CJ, I actually agree with you, even though you were joking. as awesome and as privileged as it is to watch a future HoF'er in Doc work, until he wins a ring, he'll not have the same hallowed status to me as Hamels, Howard, Utley, Lidge, Ruiz, Madson, Rollins, Moyer, Victorino, Burrell....Stairs!!...etc.

JC Ramirez (who is NOT a prospect because he arrived in the Cliff Lee deal) has lowered his ERA to 1.11 after opening tonight's start with 4 scoreless innings (3 H, 0 BB, 1 K).

OP: I am old and can laugh at old jokes. I am fat and can laugh at fat jokes. You can tell drunk jokes all day long, and everyone will laugh, but you are not allowed to tell gay jokes, or they will go into an uproar.

In Cholly's defense:

From Zolecki's blog today,

"Mayberry has started in left field in four of the last five games against left-handed pitchers: today against Niese, Wednesday against Arizona’s Joe Saunders, Sunday against San Diego’s Wade LeBlanc and April 20 against Milwaukee’s Chris Narveson. Ibanez started against San Diego’s Clayton Richard on April 22.

Ibanez has hit .136 (3-for-22) with one double, one home run and five RBIs against left-handers this season, while Mayberry has hit .375 (6-for-16) with two doubles, one home run and two RBIs against them."

Cholly has been starting Mayberry vs. LHP pitching and I expect he will start on Thurs. vs. Lannan.

Some nostalgia for the nostalgic:

Shane Victorino's game tying homerun:

Matt Stairs' go ahead homerun:

I always thought driving drunk was against the law. Am I incorrect?

MG, he did it for a while last season, as well. Francisco and Ibanez platooned for a while until Ibanez got hot again against, primarily, righties. Then, once Ibanez was back in a groove, the platoons disappeared.

Let's hope the platoon sticks for a longer time, but mroe improtantly, let's hope Ibanez finds his stroke vs. righties.

Goody, it is also about context. In McDowell's case, it wasn't a joke and it wasn't funny.

Old Phan: Not sure we're discussing legal issues. But let's see who gets a longer suspension.

Fat - Ibanez will certainly have ample opportunity to find his stroke starting at least 4x a week.

I'd prefer Ibañez find his own living room, & stay there.

OP: Correct. Thats why I said he should be fired.

Goody, it is also about context. In McDowell's case, it wasn't a joke and it wasn't funny.

Posted by: Old Phan | Saturday, April 30, 2011 at 07:20 PM

The point, Old Phan, is that the gay activists have intimidated the culture so effectively that it doesn't matter whether it's a joke or not, nobody is going to cross them.

Weren't you paying attention last week when a Canadian comedian got fined $15,000 for jibing about lesbians in his audience after they heckled him?

Goody wasn't making a joke, he was absolutely correct.

Old Phan, 9 out of 10 hereosexual men make homo jokes. I am sure 9 out of 10 ballplayers do the same. The only reason anyone is hearing about this incident is because Gloria Allred smells money and knows PC-crazed fans like you will yell "witch" until MLB pays her. The PC religion is out of control. Now go back to your homo lover and make him a sammich!

Don't feed the troll.

What McDowell did is inexcusable and he deserves to be punished for it. What Lowe did was worse. He could have killed someone.

I think that, regardless of how you feel about the gay rights lobby, gay marriage, your religious vies on homosexuality, etc., coaches should definitely not walk up to and heckle fans and make crude slurs about their lifestyles.

And just like that, I jinx Ramirez who gives up a run on two hits. His ERA explodes to 1.42. 5 IP, 6 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 1 K

Curious that Ramirez has just 6 Ks in his first 25.1 IP this year, but encouraging that he also has just 4 BBs.

I could go through many anems, but point being, I really can't think of any one thing about which I can criticize regarding Halladay. He's an absolute class act, his work ethic and desire to compete are impeccable. His character is beyond reproach. He consistently takes his team deep into the game, almost always gives them a chance to win, if not flat out winning it himself.

He may be one of the greatest athletes to ever walk into this city. Incredible and I'm glad we get to watch him every fifth day.

Posted by: Fatalotti

Well said - once Doc gets a ring he will be the King of the City.

MG: Niese is a classic 3/4 starter with 4 pitches that he can throw for strikes, but none of them spectacular.

The notion that he could be a superstar is bizarre and surely the product of the New York Media Hype Machine. I mentally drop any New York prospect down a full grade because of the overwhelming hype associated with them.

Old Phan: Penalties for drunk driving in the U.S. are the lightest in the western world. It is not unusual for someone who drives drunk and kills someone to serve less than a year in jail.

Quick poll (2 questions):

The Phillies April record: Better, Worse or what you expected?

The Phillies quality of play so far: Better, Worse or what you expected?

CJ: Should be #1 in every hitting/pitching stat and have a perfect record. Unacceptable.

Andrew: Fair enough.

CJ - Record is easily better. Even you couldn't have expected 18 wins this month which is a franchise record. I was thinking 14-15 wins.

clout - Yeah it got a little ridiculous. I like Niese and think he has a solid future especially in that pitcher's park. McCarver was just start to babble a bit though which kind of an absurd level by the bottom of the 6th.

It stopped instantly after the Mayberry homer in the 7th.

CJ - Better record than I expected in April.
Quality of play is reflected in the record.

MG: It's true. I'd have said 16-10 would have been a tremendous month. Granted, 15 of those games were against NY, Hou, SD and Was... but you can't exactly count on winning all of those games, particularly going on the road to the West Coast.

Finished 13-2 in those games, 5-6 in the other 11.

We play enough games against bad teams this year that finishing about .500 in the tough games will probably be good enough for a division crown.

Re: Dui... Don't forget the presumption of innocence. He didn't kill anybody. He got pulled over, smelled of alcohol, maybe flunked a field sobriety test, and didn't consent to any blood/breath testing. There is no evidence he was driving drunk other than the observations of some blowhard state trooper who is probably pissing his pants in joy that he pulled over a professional athlete. Most states would divert this case into a safety class, a brief license suspension and a fine.

#1~ You have my sympathies about having to wantch Nats games to see the Phils. Being near Richmond I too have to suffer listening to Carpenter and F. P. Santangelo. I liked Dibble though. While I think Carpenter is a very good announcer, in terms of his knowledge and calling a game, and he does give the Phils a lot of credit when due, it must be Nat's management edict to be the biggest homers on the air. It's sickening. They just never shut up. I also get the O's games and Gary Thorne is much better than Carpenter overall.

owen: He's not just accused of DUI... also accused of street racing. That's two stupid things he "allegedly" did. Of course, why wouldn't he consent to any kind of test? Hmmmmm...

"He got pulled over, smelled of alcohol, maybe flunked a field sobriety test, and didn't consent to any blood/breath testing...Most states would divert this case into a safety class, a brief license suspension and a fine."

You are talking completely out of your a$$. You're either very, very stupid or an alcoholic who engages in wishful thinking. But I repeat myself...

Lowe - It doesn't surprise me one bit he was arrested for DUI. He was well-known in Boston as a guy who had alcohol issues and was often out & about town at late hours.

Someone should tell fat old goody that fat old people aren't a persecuted minority. And that making a joke about one's own group is a little tamer than going after 'outsiders'.

Replace the sexual term with a racial or ethnic one and see if it becomes any more acceptable. Do "9 out of 10" Christian men make anti-semitic jokes? And how about that small cabal of Jewish bankers that's secretly controlling the world?

Danny Sandoval broke his wrist and is out 4-6 weeks? What will the Road Warriors do?

Why would anyone get upset about insulting gays? A whole lot or ruckus about nothing/ Liberals and gayz are just so sensitive about political correctness.

I mean, it's not something really offensive that would upset he-men conservatives that never worry about political correctness, - you know, like when someone wishes you Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas.

DUIs are only bad when someone dies...otherwise, what's the big deal?


I wonder how Nick Adenhart's family feels about Derek Lowe.

Back to the Phillies...what a game. Doc is just a Hall of Fame pitcher in his prime, all you can do is sit back and enjoy it.

Also, Mayberry Jr should get every single start vs LHPs from here on out in LF.

On a serious note, 99% of first time offender DUIs end up as a fine and court costs along with a 6 month suspension of your license. In the state of VT (where i live), refusal to take a breathelyzer is considered the same as a guilty plea and you lose your license for 6 months automatically.

Jailtime for a first time offender is almost unheard of despite what the teetotalers in the thread seem to think. Even with the aggravated circumstances of street racing, its still not considered that serious a crime unless someone is hurt or which point it upgrades to Vehicular Manslaughter in some states.

I don't care where you stand on the rights of whoever, if he just called the guy in the stands an idiot he would have been fine but once you drop the f-bomb or make sexual comments in a place where everybody isn't your buddy or family, you are punching the hornet's nest. The guy has been in baseball forever, surely he must realize this.
Lowe is a bigger idiot because death happens on the road. I drink like a sailor sometimes but I never ever got behind the wheel. I would rather pay the worst cab fare ever than destroy families. Why can these people ever get this?

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