Roy Halladay arrives at the moment he’s been waiting for.
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Hilarious to look back at all the whining on Beerleaguer during the team's struggles that included gems like this: "It turns out that Halladay was actually traded to a worse team than the team he was on."
Now the Phils enter the postseason with the best record in baseball and soon-to-be-NL-Cy-Young-winner Roy Halladay is set to make his first career postseason start!
My only prediction is Victorino bats first. I'm having trouble seeing the argument in favor of Rollins. Vic has plenty of experience, gets on base, has speed, is not injured, and most of all has become a sparkplug for the team.
Where it can go wrong (much discussed here on Beerleaguer)?
Normally I would never root for a Bobby Cox team but I will be a big Braves' fan over the next week.
- Lineup
- With left-handers
- The bullpen (outside of Madson/Lidge)
- History lessons (fluky crap happens in short series)
- The Field
"That lineup can be pitched to," one National League scout said. "They're a fastball-hitting club and a mistake-hitting club. So the key is, you've got to pitch them hard inside so you can create holes away with softer stuff. If you're going to get beat, you've got to get beat on the hands so they hook those balls foul. If you can execute hard and inside, so they know you're coming in, you can open up that off-speed stuff away and get them to chase it."
Really no shock to anyone who has watched this team this year. If Volquez has moderate command of his fastball today especially on the inside, it really sets up his offspeed stuff especially the changeup.
From the Stark article:
"Since the postseason expanded into a three-round, four-week marathon 15 years ago, the team with the best record in baseball has won the World Series only three times -- in 1998 (Yankees), 2007 (Red Sox) and 2009 (Yankees)."
So for those, like me, that are more used to the Phils being the underdogs, rest assured- we may be favorites in each matchup , but we are still long shots to have a November, Jayson Werth led, WFC championship parade.
And you know what? He might be right. Since the day Roy Oswalt showed up in this team's clubhouse, the Phillies have been the best team in baseball, by any standard:
• They're 41-19 since then. Only one other team in either league -- Minnesota (38-22) -- is within seven wins of them.
• They played 10 series and 29 games in that span against teams that were .500 or better at the time. They won all 10 series and went 24-5.
• They lost their first two road games after Oswalt arrived -- then went 21-5 on the road the rest of the way, winning nine straight series.
• Their team ERA, post-Oswalt, was a spectacular 3.23. That's seven-tenths of a run lower than it was before Oswalt checked in, and the second-best in baseball, only microscopically higher than the Giants' (3.21), since then. And Oswalt, Roy Halladay and Cole Hamels were a combined 21-7, 2.33. Scary.
• Finally, no other team in either league had a better record against the other teams in the postseason field. The Phillies went 21-15 against the Braves, Reds, Giants, Yankees and Twins this year. The only other club that was more than one game above .500 against fellow playoff teams was Tampa Bay (20-15).
Hopefully that is the lineup, also hopeful it does not rain hard early and they lose Halladay. On the flipside Reds would lose Volquez but with the great lefty relivers they have it could cause lots of trouble for the Phils. I know this is a series they should win but boy I feel very uneasy about it. I've been reading way too much of this blgo I think.
CJ: Polanco's not my favorite either. Everyone's making a big deal about the Rollins at the top of the lineup decision, but it's forgotten that Polanco is banged up and has been pretty bad the last couple of months himself. The only thing I'm sure of is that Victorino is the best hitter right now out of those 3 options.
CJ, he really hasn't shuffled the lineup much once everyone (except for J-Roll)came back from injuries. The lineup has been pretty much set. I don't have a big problem with it, but I'd be surprised if he swapped Polly and Uts.
For the 16 games from 8/21 to 9/5, the Phils were healthy and Charlie had Polanco and Utley each in the 3-hole 8 times. Then Rollins went down, and Charlie had to adjust his lineup accordingly.
Had Rollins remained healthy, I'm fairly certain we'd have seen that trend continue.
"Prediction for Doc's night: 9 IP, 0 H, 0 ER, 0 R, 27 K, 0 BB, 72 pitches thrown.
"
It could happen -- the last 9 batters are so scared to get in the batter's box that the ump calls a strike on them for delaying.
By the way, please prepare yourself for any family members over the age of 70 to call your house tonight as the game starts screaming: "What %*^&$@) channel is this game on??!!!"
I think we should bat Werth in the leadoff and in the 5 hole...utilizing a ghost-runner in his place if he is to get on-base leading off and then has to hit in the 5 hole in the same inning.
Old Phan: Like I said, once Rollins went down, Charlie had fewer choices at the top of the order so he didn't move Polanco to third for the rest of the month.
I hope Beerleaguer doesn't fall into the trap of posting dozens of different lineups each day. That's a trend I've grown to hate on other, less-intelligent baseball blogs!
The chances of Charlie deviating significantly from his standard lineups is less than the chance of President Obama announcing to the world that he's actually a citizen of Russia and resigning from the Presidency. I'm just sayin'
Agree w AWH on lineup, I for one dont want to see too many changes, just give me Vic leading off, big bats in the middle, and Rollins down in the 7/8 hole.
Cant fricking wait fellas, its a good feeling to have this much excitement even tho we've been there a bunch the last few years. heading out of work at 430...
I don't like this lineup AT ALL! JRoll should not be leading off and I really hope Polly's injury is not serious. ( Polanco out of lineup with back injury. Valdez at third.)
I think the big key to this series will be the Philies scoring runs in the first 5-6 innings of the game. The Reds put 4 lefties in their pen (Wood, Rhodes, Bray, & Chapman) who are there designed specifically to get out left-handed hitters. Plus our biggest power threats off the bench are Dobbs and Brown which would be negated by a move to a left-hander. More importantly it would probably require Charlie to make a double move and insert Sweeney which burns a couple guys.
I know the Phillies have gotten to Rhodes this season but I'd rather not have to count on them hitting left-handers late in the game especially if it is close. Jump on the starting pitchers and render the arms in the pen meaningless.
tutpsu: Yeah... I'm not overly worried. It's disappointing, but that move alone does make up for the huge advantage the Phils have today. This just adds more fuel to the fire for those who were all ready in "Sky is falling" mode over the powerful Reds!
Amaro was on 610 and was very frank and honest which as most bl'ers would find surprising... said polly had a back stiffness early in the week... got treatment didnt' get much better...
He said he could go if he pushed himself, but they felt Valdez had performed well lately and didn't want to risk it.
He was getting treatment from a doctor as he spoke...and they were hopeful he'd be ready on Friday.
rollins had to leadoff now that polanco is out because they had to move up victorino. manuel would never put chooch #2 so that was out of the equation anyway
The loss of Polanco for at least Game 1 is a big one. The 34-year-old led all National League third baseman with a .986 fielding percentage (Reds third baseman Scott Rolen was second at .977). He also hit .298 with a .339 on base percentage, driving in 52 runs and scoring 76.
NEPP: There is a direct correlation between above-average height and back problems. It stands to reason, then, that 3B are most likely to have back issues.
****NEPP: There is a direct correlation between above-average height and back problems. It stands to reason, then, that 3B are most likely to have back issues.****
Old Phan: Agreed. At this point trying to shuffle everyone around to keep Vic at the top would probably be more trouble than it is worth. Moving Chooch or (Heaven forfend) Valdez to the 2 spot? Not thrilling options. Losing Polanco completely blew up a good thing. Bottom Line - I will not be assigning Charlie his usual share of the blame for Rollins' failure(s) at the plate today. When/If Placido returns, however ...
Hilarious to look back at all the whining on Beerleaguer during the team's struggles that included gems like this: "It turns out that Halladay was actually traded to a worse team than the team he was on."
Now the Phils enter the postseason with the best record in baseball and soon-to-be-NL-Cy-Young-winner Roy Halladay is set to make his first career postseason start!
Go get 'em, Doc!
Posted by: CJ | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:06 AM
Prediction for Doc's night: 9 IP, 0 H, 0 ER, 0 R, 27 K, 0 BB, 72 pitches thrown.
Posted by: NEPP | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:08 AM
Sorry, make that 81 pitches...math sucks.
Posted by: NEPP | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:08 AM
NEPP: I would hope his second start is more productive.
Posted by: Joe Cowley | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:09 AM
For Doc to give Cole praise speaks volumes to the accomplishments and fortitude of Hamels this year.
Posted by: Bay Slugga | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:11 AM
What time are the lineups announced???
My prediction:
Vic
Utley
Polly
Howard
Werth
Rollins
Ibanez
Chooch
Posted by: MaDubbs | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:11 AM
I'll bet Doc has second thoughts about coming to the Phils.
Posted by: Old Phan | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:13 AM
MaDubbs: I'm going to jump for joy is the lineup resembles something like that. Though I'd switch Polly and Utley...
Posted by: Bay Slugga | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:14 AM
My only prediction is Victorino bats first. I'm having trouble seeing the argument in favor of Rollins. Vic has plenty of experience, gets on base, has speed, is not injured, and most of all has become a sparkplug for the team.
Posted by: Little Ollie | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:15 AM
For those asking about the weather:
http://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/graph/38887:20
Posted by: awh | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:21 AM
Is it too early to leave work?
want to be home in time for the first pitch...
Posted by: Bubba | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:21 AM
Our boss is letting us wear Phils jerseys with jeans ans sneaks throughout the playoffs. Gotta love that.
Posted by: Joe Cowley | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:22 AM
batting utley 2nd may make some sense considering all the lefties available to in the reds pen. 4 of them i believe.
Posted by: Conshy Matt | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:24 AM
Jayson Stark likes the Phils too but this is a strong column chalk-full of all kinds of facts and points about the Phils and their competition.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs/2010/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=5651855
Where it can go wrong (much discussed here on Beerleaguer)?
Normally I would never root for a Bobby Cox team but I will be a big Braves' fan over the next week.
- Lineup
- With left-handers
- The bullpen (outside of Madson/Lidge)
- History lessons (fluky crap happens in short series)
- The Field
Posted by: MG | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:25 AM
AWH: Can you also provide future tracker doppler radar? I'd like to know what neighborhoods will be experiencing rain between 5:15 and 6:27 PM today.
Posted by: Joe Cowley | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:26 AM
From the Stark column:
"That lineup can be pitched to," one National League scout said. "They're a fastball-hitting club and a mistake-hitting club. So the key is, you've got to pitch them hard inside so you can create holes away with softer stuff. If you're going to get beat, you've got to get beat on the hands so they hook those balls foul. If you can execute hard and inside, so they know you're coming in, you can open up that off-speed stuff away and get them to chase it."
Really no shock to anyone who has watched this team this year. If Volquez has moderate command of his fastball today especially on the inside, it really sets up his offspeed stuff especially the changeup.
Posted by: MG | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:27 AM
My secretary is starting with the smack talk about how the Yankees are gonna beat the Phils in the WS again.
Should I fire her now or wait until the Yankees lose?
Posted by: Kutztown Fan | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:28 AM
KF: Worse yet cut off her internet access, she'd probably rather lose her job.
Posted by: Joe Cowley | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:29 AM
Note to self: Hire Joe Cowley as HR strategist.
Posted by: Kutztown Fan | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:35 AM
From the Stark article:
"Since the postseason expanded into a three-round, four-week marathon 15 years ago, the team with the best record in baseball has won the World Series only three times -- in 1998 (Yankees), 2007 (Red Sox) and 2009 (Yankees)."
So for those, like me, that are more used to the Phils being the underdogs, rest assured- we may be favorites in each matchup , but we are still long shots to have a November, Jayson Werth led, WFC championship parade.
Posted by: Bubba | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:35 AM
LOL
Posted by: Joe Cowley | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:35 AM
My favorite part of the Stark column?
And you know what? He might be right. Since the day Roy Oswalt showed up in this team's clubhouse, the Phillies have been the best team in baseball, by any standard:
• They're 41-19 since then. Only one other team in either league -- Minnesota (38-22) -- is within seven wins of them.
• They played 10 series and 29 games in that span against teams that were .500 or better at the time. They won all 10 series and went 24-5.
• They lost their first two road games after Oswalt arrived -- then went 21-5 on the road the rest of the way, winning nine straight series.
• Their team ERA, post-Oswalt, was a spectacular 3.23. That's seven-tenths of a run lower than it was before Oswalt checked in, and the second-best in baseball, only microscopically higher than the Giants' (3.21), since then. And Oswalt, Roy Halladay and Cole Hamels were a combined 21-7, 2.33. Scary.
• Finally, no other team in either league had a better record against the other teams in the postseason field. The Phillies went 21-15 against the Braves, Reds, Giants, Yankees and Twins this year. The only other club that was more than one game above .500 against fellow playoff teams was Tampa Bay (20-15).
Posted by: CJ | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:36 AM
MG, if Volquez has his command, doc is going to have to be really, really good today.
Posted by: awh | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:37 AM
KF: suggest you see this movie for ideas.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0274812/
Posted by: Pete Happy | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:37 AM
"I watched some CSN yesterday, and someone mentioned that Charlie was thinking of switching Polly and Chase in the line up. Anyone else hear that?"
KF - I'm pretty sure I heard Charlie himself say this in the press conf. yesterday. He said he might do it to split up LH hitters.
Posted by: GBrettfan | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:41 AM
Charlie's done that a few times this year, particularly against teams that have a variety of lefties in the bullpen.
However, if he's moving Polanco out of the 2-hole, I'm not sure he's my favorite for the 3-hole.
Posted by: CJ | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:45 AM
Hopefully that is the lineup, also hopeful it does not rain hard early and they lose Halladay. On the flipside Reds would lose Volquez but with the great lefty relivers they have it could cause lots of trouble for the Phils. I know this is a series they should win but boy I feel very uneasy about it. I've been reading way too much of this blgo I think.
Posted by: Tim from Williamsport | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:47 AM
Pete Happy - thanks for the lawsuit idea.
Gbrettfan - that's where I heard it. I think they said it was to counter Chapman than the Reds' starters.
When will Cholly release his line up?
Posted by: Kutztown Fan | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:47 AM
Cholly is going to change his lineup now? Seems like a very un-Cholly like thing to do.
Posted by: Old Phan | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 11:58 AM
CJ: Polanco's not my favorite either. Everyone's making a big deal about the Rollins at the top of the lineup decision, but it's forgotten that Polanco is banged up and has been pretty bad the last couple of months himself. The only thing I'm sure of is that Victorino is the best hitter right now out of those 3 options.
Posted by: Brian G | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 12:00 PM
Old Phan: It seems un-Charlie-like, but it's something he's done already this year, so it's not unprecedented.
Posted by: CJ | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 12:04 PM
CJ, he really hasn't shuffled the lineup much once everyone (except for J-Roll)came back from injuries. The lineup has been pretty much set. I don't have a big problem with it, but I'd be surprised if he swapped Polly and Uts.
Posted by: Old Phan | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 12:08 PM
Hands down the best analysis of the postseason:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/scocca/archive/2010/10/05/a-brief-subjective-guide-to-the-baseball-playoffs.aspx
Posted by: MG | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 12:19 PM
For the 16 games from 8/21 to 9/5, the Phils were healthy and Charlie had Polanco and Utley each in the 3-hole 8 times. Then Rollins went down, and Charlie had to adjust his lineup accordingly.
Had Rollins remained healthy, I'm fairly certain we'd have seen that trend continue.
Posted by: CJ | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 12:20 PM
The ideal lineup would have Vic leading off, Chooch batting 7th and Rollins 8th. That will never happen though.
Posted by: NEPP | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 12:20 PM
"Prediction for Doc's night: 9 IP, 0 H, 0 ER, 0 R, 27 K, 0 BB, 72 pitches thrown.
"
It could happen -- the last 9 batters are so scared to get in the batter's box that the ump calls a strike on them for delaying.
Posted by: Edmundo | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 12:21 PM
By the way, please prepare yourself for any family members over the age of 70 to call your house tonight as the game starts screaming: "What %*^&$@) channel is this game on??!!!"
Posted by: Joe Cowley | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 12:25 PM
How many times did Polly bat 3rd in September?
Posted by: Old Phan | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 12:26 PM
Typically its traditional to bat your best hitter in the 3 hole...so logically, our banged up singles hitting 3B is the right choice.
Posted by: NEPP | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 12:30 PM
i still think Werth should lead off, myself, but I understand his role as a RH power threat in the heart of the order.
Posted by: GBrettfan | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 12:33 PM
I think we should bat Werth in the leadoff and in the 5 hole...utilizing a ghost-runner in his place if he is to get on-base leading off and then has to hit in the 5 hole in the same inning.
We can do that, right?
Posted by: NEPP | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 12:36 PM
I think swapping Werth and Howard makes a lot more sense than swapping Polly and Uts.
Posted by: SC | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 12:41 PM
Here's my lineup"
Vic SW
Utley L
Werth R
Howard L
Chooch R
Raul L
Polly R
JRoll SW
Posted by: awh | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 12:42 PM
NEPP- We can do that, right?
If Bud can make up ad-hoc rain out rules during post season, I think ghost runners are quite possible.
If it suits network TV, Bud will be all over it.
Posted by: Bubba | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 12:42 PM
We shouldnt be swapping anybody, if it aint broke dont fix it. Vic at leadoff, everyone else stays in position.
Posted by: Joe Cowley | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 12:43 PM
Old Phan: Like I said, once Rollins went down, Charlie had fewer choices at the top of the order so he didn't move Polanco to third for the rest of the month.
Posted by: CJ | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 12:46 PM
Joe, exactly. The lineup as is works.
Posted by: Old Phan | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 12:47 PM
Why I would bat Chooch after Howie:
2010 Vs. LHP: .327 .431 .509
Posted by: awh | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 12:48 PM
I hope Beerleaguer doesn't fall into the trap of posting dozens of different lineups each day. That's a trend I've grown to hate on other, less-intelligent baseball blogs!
The chances of Charlie deviating significantly from his standard lineups is less than the chance of President Obama announcing to the world that he's actually a citizen of Russia and resigning from the Presidency. I'm just sayin'
Posted by: CJ | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 12:50 PM
We may need to rename it Choochtember.
The last 28 days: .373 .464 .576
Posted by: awh | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 12:50 PM
CJ, I agree. In all likelyhood the lineup will look like this:
Vic
Polly
Utley
Howie
Werth
Raul
Jimmy
Chooch
Now, maybe he moves Vic, Jimmy and Raul around a little:
Vic
Polly
Utley
Howie
Werth
Jimmy
Raul
Chooch
or
Jimmy
Polly
Utley
Howie
Werth
Raul
Vic
Chooch
but IMHO, that's about it.
Now, he may change and break up Chase and Howie if the LHH start to get eaten up by the Reds' LHRP late in close games.
We'll see.
Posted by: awh | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 12:54 PM
useless playoff tidbit: Davey Lopes is godfather to one of Dusty Baker's kids.
Posted by: Joe Cowley | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 12:56 PM
Phillies in three!!! I can't even pick a scenario that's different from I want in my heart!
Posted by: PhilliesDude | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:01 PM
Valdez at 3B, Polanco out.
Posted by: tutpsu | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:02 PM
This news is all bad.
Posted by: GTown_Dave | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:04 PM
Agree w AWH on lineup, I for one dont want to see too many changes, just give me Vic leading off, big bats in the middle, and Rollins down in the 7/8 hole.
Cant fricking wait fellas, its a good feeling to have this much excitement even tho we've been there a bunch the last few years. heading out of work at 430...
Posted by: MasterlockJr. | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:05 PM
J-Roll is leading off today.
Rollins
Victorino
Utley
Howard
Werth
Ibanez
Ruiz
Valdez
Halladay
Posted by: CJ | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:06 PM
1) So much for being healthy going into the playoffs.
2) Kinda obvious why Greg Dobbs made the roster, isn't it?
Posted by: CJ | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:07 PM
Polly with a back injury? Ugh.
Posted by: Old Phan | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:08 PM
CJ: No kiddin'. Talk about worst case scenarios, lineup/batting order-wise.
Posted by: GTown_Dave | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:09 PM
UGH . All I asked for was a Vic leadoff and rollins down in the order...
Posted by: MasterlockJr. | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:11 PM
so, 4 hours to game time...
Posted by: The Greene Brothers | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:11 PM
Eh. I hope this is precautionary with Polly. I would much prefer he get healthy for the rest of the playoff run than force it by playing in game one.
Posted by: Bridoc10 | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:12 PM
I don't like this lineup AT ALL! JRoll should not be leading off and I really hope Polly's injury is not serious. ( Polanco out of lineup with back injury. Valdez at third.)
Posted by: Jon | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:13 PM
Let's hope Valdez likes the spotlight & gets a couple of hits.
I'm not a big fan of rally killing double plays.
Posted by: Bubba | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:13 PM
Wow, so this Magical back injury came out of nowhere!! He said he felt great yesterday!!!! Knew it was too good to be true
Posted by: MaDubbs | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:15 PM
Gotta wonder how injured Polly's been since the beginning of August... he's posted an OPS just below .650 since then.
Surprisingly... Valdez posted an OPS of .813 last month in a full-time role.
Let's hope J-Roll is healthy, or the left side of our infield could be Valdez/Dobbs. Ouch.
Posted by: CJ | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:16 PM
Good thing Doc is going to pitch a shutout today, otherwise I'd be worried.
Posted by: Old Phan | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:16 PM
Why is Polly out...WTF??!?
Posted by: NEPP | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:17 PM
I think the big key to this series will be the Philies scoring runs in the first 5-6 innings of the game. The Reds put 4 lefties in their pen (Wood, Rhodes, Bray, & Chapman) who are there designed specifically to get out left-handed hitters. Plus our biggest power threats off the bench are Dobbs and Brown which would be negated by a move to a left-hander. More importantly it would probably require Charlie to make a double move and insert Sweeney which burns a couple guys.
I know the Phillies have gotten to Rhodes this season but I'd rather not have to count on them hitting left-handers late in the game especially if it is close. Jump on the starting pitchers and render the arms in the pen meaningless.
Posted by: The Truth Injection | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:17 PM
where do you guys go for starting lineup annoucements?
Posted by: MasterlockJr. | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:17 PM
MasterlockJr.: I monitor the Phils beat reporters on Twitter. @HighCheese and @ToddZolecki are the best sources.
Posted by: CJ | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:18 PM
The upside is that with Rollins leading off, Vic will often feel like he's leading off as the bases will likely be empty in front of him.
This is a huge blow to us...not feeling it today.
Posted by: NEPP | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:19 PM
Zolecki tweets (ominously):
Amaro is hopeful Polanco will be able to play Friday.
Posted by: CJ | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:19 PM
I have a feeling they knew about Polly's back injury for some time now. He didn't just injury his back yesterday. Explains the Dobb's move.
Posted by: Jon | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:20 PM
thanks CJ...
Posted by: MasterlockJr. | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:21 PM
So, if you're the Reds, you've got to be pretty pumped at this point, right? Seems like destiny is stepping in for them.
Posted by: NEPP | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:21 PM
Let's calm down a bit. Two words: Roy Halladay.
Posted by: tutpsu | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:23 PM
MasterlockJr.: I agree w/ CJ. You should also add @magelb & @ryanlawrence21. You'll get a fair amount of redundancy, but a better overall picture.
Posted by: GTown_Dave | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:24 PM
Have we ever had a 3B without a bad back in recent memory?
Rolen - chronic back issues
Bell - chronic back issues
Feliz - chronic back issues
Polly - chronic (apparently) back issues
Seriously, WTF? Why do so many 3B have back issues.
Posted by: NEPP | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:26 PM
No one likes this line up, which logically leads to the conclusion that they win the game 103-0.
Posted by: Lincoln Hawkes | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:26 PM
Crap. JW better be right about Greg Dobbs having "a big hit left in him." I'll even trade that for 6-7 small hits.
Posted by: king myno | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:29 PM
At least this gives BL something to worry about.
Posted by: Old Phan | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:30 PM
king myno: Unfortunately for us, a "big hit" for Dobbs = Flying Out as opposed to Striking Out, Grounding Out or Popping Up.
Posted by: GTown_Dave | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:32 PM
tutpsu: Yeah... I'm not overly worried. It's disappointing, but that move alone does make up for the huge advantage the Phils have today. This just adds more fuel to the fire for those who were all ready in "Sky is falling" mode over the powerful Reds!
Posted by: CJ | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:32 PM
Well, I think this one is pretty legit to be worried about.
Losing Polly is bad enough...having JRoll lead off is compounding the blow to the offense.
I assume Jimmy will now hit a leadoff HR to make me look stupid.
Posted by: NEPP | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:33 PM
Murphy (via Twitter): "Phils have these 4 hitters in a row today: Valdez (.667 OPS), Halladay (.292 OPS), Rollins (.657 OPS/LHB) + Victorino (.681 OPS/LHB)"
Posted by: GTown_Dave | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:33 PM
Amaro was on 610 and was very frank and honest which as most bl'ers would find surprising... said polly had a back stiffness early in the week... got treatment didnt' get much better...
He said he could go if he pushed himself, but they felt Valdez had performed well lately and didn't want to risk it.
He was getting treatment from a doctor as he spoke...and they were hopeful he'd be ready on Friday.
Posted by: HammRadio | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:34 PM
At least the lineup doesn't have Dobbs at 3B.
Posted by: Little Ollie | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:34 PM
But a Phillies source said YESTERDAY that Polly not starting because of Back - WTF yesterday??? http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Placido_Polanco_not_in_starting_line-up_for_Game_1.html
Posted by: Slocs | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:34 PM
rollins had to leadoff now that polanco is out because they had to move up victorino. manuel would never put chooch #2 so that was out of the equation anyway
Posted by: st | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:35 PM
Huge blackhole created by this lineup.
Posted by: NEPP | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:35 PM
Did the Rays sell out?
Posted by: Slocs | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:36 PM
I think we could all live without J-Roll leading off, but I can almost understand it with Polly out of the lineup.
Posted by: Old Phan | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:36 PM
my guess is Rollins wouldn't have led off if Polly was in the lineup.
Posted by: HammRadio | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:37 PM
This a a big loss:
The loss of Polanco for at least Game 1 is a big one. The 34-year-old led all National League third baseman with a .986 fielding percentage (Reds third baseman Scott Rolen was second at .977). He also hit .298 with a .339 on base percentage, driving in 52 runs and scoring 76.
Posted by: Jon | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:38 PM
NEPP: There is a direct correlation between above-average height and back problems. It stands to reason, then, that 3B are most likely to have back issues.
Posted by: CJ | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:39 PM
polanco had an OPS in september in the 600's. keep that in mind
Posted by: st | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:40 PM
****NEPP: There is a direct correlation between above-average height and back problems. It stands to reason, then, that 3B are most likely to have back issues.****
I love it when Beerleaguer comes full circle.
Posted by: NEPP | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:42 PM
Old Phan: Agreed. At this point trying to shuffle everyone around to keep Vic at the top would probably be more trouble than it is worth. Moving Chooch or (Heaven forfend) Valdez to the 2 spot? Not thrilling options. Losing Polanco completely blew up a good thing. Bottom Line - I will not be assigning Charlie his usual share of the blame for Rollins' failure(s) at the plate today. When/If Placido returns, however ...
Posted by: GTown_Dave | Wednesday, October 06, 2010 at 01:42 PM