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Tuesday, July 20, 2010

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I thought about this one last night. For a while after the game, I went into seller mentality. I still think Werth should be traded if the offer is right. Though if this is a winning ball club, and all the signs of the past few years say it is, now is the time to make a move and grab another arm. If any team can overcome this, it's this one. Make a splash, see if it works. Nobody can fault them for trying.

I don't want to hear about how many games out of 1st place, or how many games back we are for the WC. We need to face reality here, and admit that this isn't our year. This isn't like the slumps of previous years, and I don't even think you can say this team is slumping anymore - WYSIWYG.

What positive signs are there to indicate this team is suddenly going to click? I'll go through the order...

1. Groundouts to second and weak fly balls by Rollins?
2. The return of Louis Castillo?
3. Raul's occasional walk and seeing-eye hit?
4. Howard is a serious MVP candidate, awesome.
5. I get the sense Werth is waiting for the other players to get the big hit. Swing the damn bat.
6. Victorino is totally lost.
7. Chooch has been solid.
8. Valdez is grounding into less DPs lately, so that's good.

"In a few days, Amaro will decide whether to buy, sell or stand pat, and a strong case can be made for all three."

Even if they sell, the only real chip they have to sell is Werth. I don't think they could/would really sell anyone else, except minor pieces that wouldn't be worth selling anyway (Durbin, Contreras, etc) or pieces that would extremely hamstring our future and would be stupid to sell (Utley).

I think whether or not they should sell Werth depends on the package they get. If someone is willing to overpay, fine. If not, leave him on the team for the picks.

And heck, if Werth is sold, it might be a shot in the arm to the remaining Phils. If it's not, oh well.

What they shouldn't do is add anything. The Phils don't need to deplete their farm system further for a mediocre pitcher or bat that will probably not propel them to the postseason. The problem right now is a team not playing up to potential. A minor addition isn't going to change that.

What is Happs status? havent heard much lately...

Heather, I agree with you. I think they should be overwhelmed if they deal Werth.

I wonder what a healthy Utley would bring on the trade market...out of pure intellectural curiosity?

3 top prospects and I mean TOP guys, not what we got from Seattle...I mean an elite pitching prospect, an elite hitter and another very solid guy and likely a throw-in on top of that? If not more?

"I mean an elite pitching prospect, an elite hitter and another very solid guy and likely a throw-in on top of that? If not more?"

I think Utley would be worth even more because he's signed to an extremely team friendly contract.

I don't think it would be over the top to expect 2 blue chip guys, 2 solid prospects, and maybe another 2 guys who had potential but were a long way off.

Throw in Halladay and you could get an elite catching prospect also.

Where is that BL poster now who said it was only a 1/4 season of bad baseball nothing more? Anyone can see this team is dead.
I would hang onto Werth. You get 2 draft picks and there won't be any outcry from the fans about resigning him for big bucks when he walks away.

Poor Halladay. He's probably saying "I waved my no trade clause and signing a below market extension for THIS?"

Half our roster to Texas for their whole farm system, then half our roster to Tampa for their whole farm system.

Along with the entire roster, throw in the stadium as well, and spend the money they get in return to acquire yet more prospects.

Let them fix up Franklin Field and the new team comprising prospects can play there.

Keep the names of the current roster. Half the chumps in the stands wouldn't notice.

Folks this has been a year of injuries but no one should be fooled by what’s going on.
First, as noted before when Rollins was out we said wait till Rollins returns. Now Utley is out and JW and others are saying wait till Utley returns. I have news for you, since mid May when Utley peaked at .315/432/600 (avg/obp/slg) he has hit .231 with 9 RBIs over 6 weeks. Rollins since returning has done very little—as in below .200! Only one player has been a rock and has actually improved in all that time Howard. Another Ruiz is showing signs of becoming someone who will hit in the clutch—alas he seems to be physically as sensitive as a prince—hardly a strong attribute for a ball player let alone a catcher.

Then there is the pitching. There is nothing wrong with the pitching. If pitching wasn’t good enough than surely the FO would have kept Lee for the year—right? OK they didn’t and here is another problem. The FO can’t read the signals. Yes Utley, Rollins and others are getting old but the manager is getting old faster. Let’s be blunt he is slow. While we have complained about his strategy in the past, it wasn’t really a problem for many because the team kept winning. Last year some of us asked why is was sticking with Lidge (especially when we found out in the end that Lidge did have a problem) again he was forgiven because after all the Phils made the WS but the fact is if he knew then why and if he didn't know what does that say abotu a player who fooled no one on BL fooling a professional on the field!

I believe when half the team is out with injuries its management that is a problem. Cholly is definitely challenged at this time. He seems to have difficulty making the right decisions. Kendrick last night was just one example but there have been many such faux pas recently—he is in over his head. The team would benefit from someone coming in and taking the helm. It won’t turn things around overnight but it needs to happen.

Actually pitching is not a big problem hitting is and especially the lineup and how its structured. I won’t bore you with my ideas on how it should be restructured but it's clear that once you move to the lower end of the lineup where all the minor leaguersand subs have been for the greater part of the season it’s so easy opposing pitchers are not penalized for walking our pitchers because after all they have a sub .200 hitter up next and when he is not up there is another guy who swings at the first pitch thrown in his direction almost regardless of who is or is not on base. The bottom line is teh team is not prepared and is not being coached properly.

There is one more thing and while I can’t see how it could have been a problem, it is nevertheless true that we were tearing the cover off the ball until the team was accused of cheating by the league. And as if to confirm the accusation our bats went silence. I am interested in finding out if there is a relationship between the accusation and the reality.


I heard that Happ's return has been delayed because he hasn't been very effective in his rehab stints.

Anyone like the idea of the following lineup?

Vic, Chooch, Polly, Howard, Ibanez, Werth, Rollins, Valdez, Pitcher

Gives speed and OBP on the top of the lineup while still breaking up L-R splits.

J.A.Happ??? Who's that?

Vic should never bat leadoff. Nobody that stupid should ever lead off no matter what. Switch him and J-Roll. I like the Chooch-Polly idea though

Victorino is stupid now?

They pay Ruben Amaro the big bucks because when the owners tell him to do something, he says, "Yes, sirs."


Victorino has always been stupid.

I missed that line on his biography, sorry.

Rupert - Bat Rollins last for the Cardinal series maybe it would get their Mojo working and give Jimmy a little rest.

Victorino's performance is often maddening. Lots of 2-0 pop-ups this season. Last night, though, he had a big two-out hit to pick up Jayson Werth. Hard to single him out for the loss last night.

I'm fearing another homer barrage tonight with Pappy Moyer on the mound.

I'm not jumping on the "Vic is stupid" bandwagon (and any more weight on that will cause the whole thing to collapse) but this is where I'd like to see some assistance from coaches. Why not give Vic and J-Roll an occasional 1st pitch take sign? See what the guy is throwing, make the pitchers throw some pitches. And if it turns out that the only decent pitch you got in an entire AB was the 1st pitch, so be it.

Did anyone else find Wheels and McCarthy especially annoying last night or was I just in a bad mood because they were getting pounded?

For better or for worse, Rube has painted himself into a corner and locked up this roster for 2010-2011. And the reality is that the whole city concurred with this; because this roster has a wildly successful record.

So now, there is no salary flexibility and no tradeable prospects.

So Rube needs to answer to himself whether this roster is still capable of winning. If so, then stand pat. If not, tear it down.

For the remainder of this season, I vote to stand pat, and hope that Utley and Happ return and produce; and the lineup returns to 2007-May 2010 form.


Mathematics tells us who gets on base and who gets the hits. I see no reason why we can’t let the Math rule. Of course adjustments can and should be made based on whom the opposition sends to the pitching mound.
But given who is and who is not hitting right now maybe we should let the people who get on base and who hit better go up first because they will get more at bats on that basis:
Ruiz
Werth
Howard
Polanco
Ibanez
Rollins
Victorino
sub and whomever else in the absence of bringing up Brown and Mayberry.

Standing pat is the worst strategic move for both this season and next. This team won't make the playoffs as currently constructed. They don't need a ton but they do need a couple of tweaks & additional help.

You either make a move to get into the playoffs where this team still would have a strong shot at making a run against the Cards, Padres, or Braves or trade some assets this year to position yourself a bit more strongly for next year.

I would be frankly shocked if Amaro 'stands pat' because that is one managerial trait he hasn't showed so far at all.

"I wonder what a healthy Utley would bring on the trade market...out of pure intellectural curiosity?"

I'd be very careful about asking these types of hypothetical questions on Beerleaguer. When Utley comes back & starts tearing it up, someone will inevitably write, "Remember when NEPP wanted to trade Chase Utley?"

"They don't need a ton but they do need a couple of tweaks & additional help. "

The additional tweaks and help this team needs is:

1) playing (at least) to career norms and
2) playing with their heads and hearts in the game
3) Having their manager make in-game decisions that will put the team in a position to succeed

Unfortunately, although they are "minor" things, they're not as simple as acquiring Ted Lilly or Ty Wigginton.

That's the team's real problem, not Valdez playing 2nd base....

The problems with this team aren't on the fringes. IMO, Tweaks won't make the difference. Either the lineup again produces or it doesn't.

And the only real way they acquire anyone right now is to spend money. There is little to no trade bait, and that's probably more difficult than it seems.

offtopic(because the topic of the phillies sucking is depressing):

Since coming back to Philadelphia during interleague play on June 22 - Jason Donald is hitting .328/.397/.475 in his last 69 PA as the Indians' everyday SS.

"offtopic(because the topic of the phillies sucking is depressing):

Since coming back to Philadelphia during interleague play on June 22 - Jason Donald is hitting .328/.397/.475 in his last 69 PA as the Indians' everyday SS."

So moving off the depressing topic of the Phils sucking and on to the depressing topic of how an infielder they traded away and could've used this year while Rollins was down is now performing in a big way?

I like how you think. :-)

I think the Phillies will trade for Ben Sheets, because they've been scouting his every outing, he's got upside without a huge cost, & they have a past trading relationship with the A's. I suspect the Phillies find the A's to be a suitable trading partner because Billy Beane uses a completely different method of talent evaluation than they do. So Beane might well see lots of value in a good-hitting, no-tools prospect whom the Phillies wouldn't blink about giving up. A guy like Rizzotti springs to mind.

****I'd be very careful about asking these types of hypothetical questions on Beerleaguer. When Utley comes back & starts tearing it up, someone will inevitably write, "Remember when NEPP wanted to trade Chase Utley?"****

Sadly that thought went through my head as I was typing it originally. I gleefully wait for clout to toss it in my face as "proof" of something in a couple months.

Worley, Gose and Rizzotti for Sheets?


Thoughts on that? That's about what I think it would take. Maybe substitute out Worley with another of our 2nd tier pitching prospects...but build the deal around Gose.

Imagine Ichiro at the top of this lineup (when healthy and not sucking). True leadoff hitter is what we need for next year.

How many years in a row will the Phillies be rumored to be interested in acquiring Ben Sheets?

****How many years in a row will the Phillies be rumored to be interested in acquiring Ben Sheets?****

About the same as we were rumored to be interested in Roy Halladay.

Rube gets his white whales eventually.

haha, yeah good point.

well to get even more depressing:

Rollins: .232/.333/.391, 4 HR 6 SB in 162 PA
Donald: .276/.326/.423, 2 HR 2 SB in 178 PA

Although i guess Donald's -23.7 UZR isn't too appealing even if its based on half a season.

Standing pat isn't necessarily a bad move. Neither is trading as JW mentioned in the header. It all depends on how you want to view this season and the downturn. If you attribute it to injuries and some guys just under-performing this year than you stand pat. I know people like to provide the Greek chorus of "This team is full of guys on the wrong side of 30," but teams like that can still win. Just last year the Yankees had a team with 9 players who were 32 or older. So it can be done. 7the nucleus of the team would still be here and you could look at the injury bug as being a one year blip.

If you attribute it to a team getting old, unmotivated, and unable to compete than it's worthwhile to trade some of your movable pieces (Werth, Durbin, Romero) to try and get some stuff back that may be useful immediately, or in a year or two.

I would fall into the former category. Furthermore, I don't think that Amaro should move some of our better young pieces at Class A for what will almost assuredly be a rental. The team got unlucky this year with injuries and that was compounded by guys struggling at times which created a perfect storm. Play out the season and let the chips fall where they may, and regroup for next season.

Yeah but Donald is terrible with the glove...thus the reason his ceiling has been considered 2nd division starter or utility guy.


Of course, if he were to improve defensively from terrible to near-league average, he'd be an everyday player.


Its ashame we had to give him up in the Lee deal..ashame we couldn't substitute out someone else.

Seemed like there were a LOT of scouts at the A's game last night. Sheets was on the mound, and while his line for the night may look alright on paper, to me it seemed like he was throwing more mid 80's changeups than he normally throws, and his fastball didn't have the speed of the fastball of his previous few outings. I'm not sure he threw anything over 91mph last night?

Also, he was going to his elbow between innings - rubbing it, holding it - maybe nothing, but when a guy whom I saw throw a 94mph fastball strikes at the 100+ pitch mark on his previous outing comes out and throws markedly fewer fastballs and the speed on those fastballs is notably off, and you watch him rub, stretch, etc. his elbow...kind of makes you nervous.

Oh, and with the A's having just lost their starting right fielder for the season & their 3rd baseman "resting" with a sore lower back, I would be beyond surprised if the "incredibly mediocre" Mark Ellis would be going anywhere, much less "thrown in" as part of any trade.

Ben Sheets - adds $4+ million to 2010 payroll, further depletes the prospects, doesn't help beyond 2010, is questionable as an upgrade.

Per Pitchfx, he topped out at 92 and sat at 89 for the night.

And he threw 51 changeups out of 109 total pitches. Though some of that might be a classification error as there wasn't much difference between his hardest changeup (88 mph) and his average 2 seamer (88.53 mph) and 4 seamer (89.14 mph)

Beane has already stated a couple times that he has no interest in trading Ellis as he has a reasonable club option for 2011. Whether that's just talk to drive up his price...who knows?

OOOL: Not to discredit your opinion, but a few threads ago, you revealed the A's as your favorite team. Methinks that colors your objectivity & might have something to do with why you seem to think Mark Ellis is an All Star caliber 2nd baseman, while everyone else thinks he's a utility infielder.

I predict within two years Amaro will be as unpopular as Ed Wade was here and just as tough to fire.

Ben Sheets - adds $4+ million to 2010 payroll, further depletes the prospects, doesn't help beyond 2010, is questionable as an upgrade.
Looks just like the kind of deal RA makes.

Actually, RA doesn't make those deadline deals, jr.
Lee was a definite upgrade, and was signed for the succeeding year.
Pedro didn't cost much money, and cost no prospects.

Its somewhat a shame that Rube wasn't on the phone getting Pedro back in early June when it would now be making a difference. Now its too late for him to be ready. A guy like Pedro really could have helped out down the stretch.

Yeah, NEPP, Pedro II would've been fun.

It's amazing how many posters can see into the future and already know how the rest of the season will turn out. Especially given the laughably abysmal track record of such prognostications on this blog.

Sorry to admit it, but it would appear that this simply isn't our year. Two examples from last night's game: In 2008 or 2009, Werth's throw from short right field would have nailed the runner by plenty. In 2010, the throw was on the first base side of the plate and Chooch had no shot of reaching over and making the tag. A little later, Ibanez quit on a ball back to the pitcher which was mishandled. Had he hustled, maybe the pitches fumbles reaching for the ball or rushes his throw and something good happens. Instead, the pitcher sees Raul trotting and knows he has plenty of time to chase it down and throw Ibanez out. Excepting the Reds series immediately before the break, our Phils have generally played sloppy, uninspired baseball. I'd trade Werth for a couple of prospects (and give Mr. Brown a head start on his ML career without the pressure of a tight pennant race) or simply take the pics when Werth walks. I also wouldn't hesitate to trade the others (Romero, Contraras, Durbin) who have expiring contracts. Maybe this is our "1979," and 2011 will be like 1980. One can only hope, Fightin's fans.

****Yeah, NEPP, Pedro II would've been fun.****

If for nothing else the press conferences and interviews he would have given us.

OOOL: Not to discredit your opinion, but a few threads ago, you revealed the A's as your favorite team. Methinks that colors your objectivity & might have something to do with why you seem to think Mark Ellis is an All Star caliber 2nd baseman, while everyone else thinks he's a utility infielder.

Posted by: bay_area_phan | Tuesday, July 20, 2010 at 11:59 AM


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A) I don't recall opining that I thought Mark Ellis is "an All Star caliber 2nd baseman". I do recall saying...

During the '05 & '06 seasons - when Ellis made a grand total of two errors while playing 2nd base - his fielding percentages were .989 & .997 respectively. His fielding % so far for 2010 is .995.

Yeah, I don't doubt that we can dig thru his advanced sabermetric stats and see certain areas where he may not be as absolutely outstanding as he was during the 2005-2006 season, but he is far from being anywhere close to "extraordinarily mediocre", at least defensively.

and

B) I don't believe "revealing" that I my first baseball love is my hometown Oakland A's necessarily makes my comments about the A's players less reliable or less worthy of consideration. Some might think that my knowledge of the team and the players, coupled with the fact that I attend nearly every home game - and have done so for years - might lend some credibility to my comments.

I'm just sayin'...

"Did anyone else find Wheels and McCarthy especially annoying last night or was I just in a bad mood because they were getting pounded?"

They were just as bad as they always are. The other day I decided to start documenting the hot air that comes out of Tom McCarthy's mouth. http://clownmccarthy.tumblr.com

On a baseball related note, with the deadline looming, I feel like there is potential for some ugly decisions to be made by Amaro. I hope he leans heavily on Gillick for advice.

"Did anyone else find Wheels and McCarthy especially annoying last night or was I just in a bad mood because they were getting pounded?"


Liz, McCarthy is ALWAYS annoying.

I can’t imagine that Rube would be willing to face reporters after acquiring Ben sheets. Here is a sample question: Now that you have Ben Sheets any regrets about Lee?

Ellis was a great defender...one of the best in the league. From all account's, he's faded a bit defensively in the last few seasons. Offensively, he's far less impressive.

clout: What are your predictions for the rest of this Phillies season?

Rizzotti is an intriguing DH prospect and Gose has tremendous tools so there is value there although I can't imagine a GM who'd be interested in one of them would also be intersted in the other since one is all skills, bad tools and the other is all tools, bad skills.

Worley is fine if you like a prospect who gives up more than a hit an inning in Double A (277 in 266).

I think we all see now how much Vic getting on base at a .350+ clip and stealing bases means to this lineup. :)

Also, Werth, while having good oveerall numbers, has been horrible in key situations for a while now.

Ibanez - shadow of his former self.

Rollins - shadow also.


The only hitters in the lineup that have been remotely consistent all season are Howard, Polly and Chooch, and even Chooch had a tough time coming off the DL.


Simply, if the guys who are getting paid to perform, Werth, Raul, Jimmy, Vic - HALF the lineup, just do what they're capable of doing, there will be no problem.

No trade will help that. There is no ssolution for their continued collective funk. None.

Amaro is damned is does, damned if he doesn't. Once again last night, they had a chance to bury a pitcher that doesn't even belong in the Majors and they didn't do it.

I think one move that has to be made is that Milt Thompson has to go. The team's success rests on the way it's built offensively, and that philosophy starts with the hitting coach. They need a fresh apporach there. But lately the pitch has also faltered. KK gives up 3 bombs and THEN Dubee comes out to talk to him? Too little too late at that point. Pujols should have been intentionally walked.

But I don't know of ANY trade that RAJ can make that will help this team. Atlanta's pitching is good enough to where they won't fall apart. Jimmy says it's not over but guess what? It sure looks that way doesn't it?

"A call to the 'pen appeared to be made only after the second homer."

For what it's worth, Franzke indicated on the radio broadcast that the 'pen only began stirring after Kendrick had allowed the 3rd HR.

Mak Ellis is one of the better fielding secondbasemen in baseball and his OPS+ this season is 96.

I'm guessing BAP is abjectly ignorant of the numbers on the average major league secondbaseman these days or he wouldn't call Ellis a utlity player.

"a pitcher that doesn't even belong in the Majors."

Hawksworth posted an ERA+ of 205 last season as a reliever and an ERA+ of 84 so far as a 6th starter (the Cards equivalent to KK). He's no ace but he absolutely belongs in the big leagues.

GTown: Is it possible that phone service was out between the dugout and the bullpen? And because Billmeyer isn't allowed to use binocs anymore he couldn't see Charlie waving for him to get someoen up?

Sheets line over his last five starts:

6/25/10 Total Pitches: 102, Fastballs 54/ Avg speed: 91.49, Changeups 9/Avg Speed: 84.83, Max Speed: 94

6/30/10 Total Pitches: 104, Fastballs 64/ Avg speed: 92.7, Changeups 5/Avg Speed: 82.84, Max Speed: 95.7

7/5/10 Total Pitches: 109, Fastballs 71/ Avg speed: 91.56, Changeups 13/Avg Speed: 84.18, Max Speed: 95


7/10/10 Total Pitches: 104, Fastballs 51/ Avg speed: 90.56, Changeups 33/Avg Speed: 83.10, Max Speed: 94.1

7/19/10 Total Pitches: 109, Fastballs 31/ Avg speed: 89.14, Changeups 51/Avg Speed: 82.15, Max Speed: 92

Personally, I wonder if watching him go to his elbow - rubbing & stretching - between innings is in any way related to the drop in both the number of fastballs he was hurling last night as well the slight downward trend in the speed of those fastballs?

Unless Domonic Brown is such a bad fielder he might injure himself, he absolutely should be recalled IMMEDIATELY and start 5 games a week with Vic, Werth and Ibanez all sitting depending on the opposing pitcher.

That will have more impact than any lame-ass trade. Unless the trade is for a closer.

Clout: GM's don't have to acquire just one type of player. I don't see any reason why a GM wouldn't take Rizzotti and Gose in the same deal--you get one player who has the skills to project as an MLB-type hitter, albeit without a position, and one player who is a higher-upside project with all the tools.

It's sort of like hedging your bets. You take the high-risk guy, and then also a guy who has shown skills and might end up being a sleeper hitter. I think we make too much of the "tools" vs. "skills" dichotomy here, as if they are mutually exclusive, and as if you must declare lifelong allegiance to one but not the other.

Finally, doesn't the existence of Gose and Rizzotti in the same system already disprove your theory? Obviously, the Phillies were willing to take both of them. Why wouldn't another GM?

Clout: Agreed on Brown. There's simply no good reason he isn't on the roster right now.

With good games the next couple of nights, it really wouldn't surprise me to see him called up for the Rockies series at home this weekend.

I'm in agreement on bringing Brown up. It's all hands on deck time, now. The argument that he's one too many lefties is bogus - Utley is hte biggest hole in the lineup right for the time being.

"Simply, if the guys who are getting paid to perform, Werth, Raul, Jimmy, Vic - HALF the lineup, just do what they're capable of doing, there will be no problem.

No trade will help that. There is no ssolution for their continued collective funk. None."

Personally, I agree. However, it all depends on ones perspective. If you readjust your expectation of "capable" for these guys (primarily due to age), then perhaps a trade is in order. If, like me, you just see this as a temporary "funk" that these guys are better than, a trade (especially for a rental) would be a big mistake. Simply put, ones position on the "buy/sell/stand pat" conundrum depends on where you're at on the spectrum of expectations on the current roster. I'm of the mindset that they're still pressing and just underperforming, not necessarily regressing.

One word of caution, however. I said about a week ago that I think a tweak or two is in order - preferably involving Dom Brown making his way to the big leagues. That said, losing any more pace in the WC will basically write off this season. I don't think it's reasonable to expect Utley to come back and be the Utley of 2008 or 2009 right away. If he's back late August/early September, that doesn't leave you a ton of time to make up ground and if he will need to play himself back into "Saint Utley" (a la J-Roll working himself back into the big league game), I fear we'll simply run out of time.

Salisbury reports Kendrick optioned to minors, Carpenter called up.

Jack: Probably right. But some GMs are more ideological than others. It's worth noting that Gose was a 2nd rounder and Rizzotti a 6th rounder. The Phils tend to use their high picks for toolsy guys.

Damed if he does and damned if he doesn't is the right way to put it. Unless you feel that this team is just over the hill and you completely dismantle it (and I hope noone would be that reactionary) there isn't much he can do that will have more of an effect than this team just playing up to their average potential. I do think bringing up Brown and a minor trade or two couldn't hurt, though, but unless this team really falls out of it in the next week there's not all that much to do except hope they come around.

****Unless Domonic Brown is such a bad fielder he might injure himself, he absolutely should be recalled IMMEDIATELY****

LOL...that made for an interesting mental image.


****Rizzotti is an intriguing DH prospect and Gose has tremendous tools so there is value there although I can't imagine a GM who'd be interested in one of them would also be intersted in the other since one is all skills, bad tools and the other is all tools, bad skills.

Worley is fine if you like a prospect who gives up more than a hit an inning in Double A (277 in 266).****

Clearly the package would be built around Gose with Worley and Rizzotti being tossed in as intriguing 2nd/3rd tier pieces that might be useful. Gose is considered a pretty good prospect by most accounts. Worley has been very solid in his 2nd go at AA and Rizzotti is the ultimate borderline guy you toss in while he's at top value. I think it;d be a good starting point (if we were to pursue it). Personally, I dont see Sheets as an improvement over our in-house options.

Kendrick to LHV and Carpenter called up?

Interesting.

****Salisbury reports Kendrick optioned to minors, Carpenter called up.****

Seriously?!? That's a bit of a shock, isn't it? I mean, it was one bad game. He's been having a solid year so far otherwise.


Or are you doing what I did yesterday?

"Kendrick to LHV and Carpenter called up?"

Per Salisbury's twitter.

http://twitter.com/JSalisburyCSN

Clout~ You're too much of a stats guy. No, he doesn't belong there. The same can be said of the first 2 pitchers that beat them in the Pittsburgh series recently. Almost evert pitcher they face pitches like Cy Young against them and lots of times they get hammered by other teams. So don't talk to me about stats. This team doesn't look anything like the team that scored 50 runs in it's first 8 games. They've scored 3 runs or less over 40 times. That's putrid. I'll get back here later. Gotta go.

NEPP: No, I heard it as well. It's real. Apparently the Phils front office doesn't believe in Kendrick as strongly as a lot of posters on here do .

What's really interesting is that it wasn't Happ who was called up, but Carpenter. So they still don't think Happ is ready. Looking more and more like a completely lost year for him.

I'm shocked actually...its not as if Carp is an upgrade.

Is this move just for bullpen help until Kendrick's next scheduled start on Sat?

Standing point (not calling up Dominic Brown/not making a trade) is the worst strategy move. This has been a below .500 team now for 2 months and I would be surprised if they finish the next 2 weeks over .500. That is 2 1/2 months of sub .500 baseball.

Even if you get the two picks for Werth, those guys won't help for a minimum of 2 years. Likely 3-4 years. You will lose a couple of guys on your pitching staff and the likelihood is that the Phils will have to go with cheaper alternatives in some cases due to hitting the payroll ceiling which will likely be in the same range again.

So you will lose guys like Werth, Durbin, Contreras, Moyer etc and likely have to replace them with cheaper and slightly less effective alternatives.

From High Cheese:

Phillies special assistant Charley Kerfeld was spotted in Baltimore scouting the Blue Jays-Orioles series over the weekend and followed Toronto to Kansas City for their series against the Royals.

Jays pitchers he could be looking at include lefthander Scott Downs and righthanders Kevin Gregg and Jason Frasor.

""Simply, if the guys who are getting paid to perform, Werth, Raul, Jimmy, Vic - HALF the lineup, just do what they're capable of doing, there will be no problem.
No trade will help that. There is no solution for their continued collective funk. None."

I agree with this, too. And as unpleasant has has been at times watching this team, there are still 2 months to go and anything can happen. If this team gets hot they are unstoppable. I just wish they would hurry the hell up and start performing.
I am all for them bringing up Brown, but I don't see him as a savior.

KK has to stay down 10 days (or is it 15) so that wouldn't make sense.

His last 6 outings (5 GS): 1-2, 5.63 ERA, .921 OPS against, 1.312 WHIP

As an organization, the Phils are risk adverse and prefer certainty, which is why they would prefer to add Brown to the lineup at a moment of their choosing and not the fans'. There's no way they bench one of the current outfielders in favor of Brown. That's hitting the panic button, letting the fans call the shots and putting too much pressure on Brown. What if he fails? If Werth gets traded, then that's a different story, but I doubt Werth gets traded and Brown recalled before 9/1.

Perhaps a trade is pending and that's part of the KK demotion?

Guys who almost certainly won't be back next year - Durbin, Contreras, Romero, Werth, and Dobbs

Maybe - Moyer

There are going to a couple of posts to fill in the bullpen that will likely require either cheap internal solutions or Value Village types.

As for calling up Carpenter? Ugh. Amaro was right. This team doesn need a starter and it will be hilarious to hear the general overwhelmingly negative sentiment from the general public when they trade for another starter in 10 days.

Can't see Carpenter making that start on Sat. He last pitched on Fri so he could just be used in the bullpen the next few days I assume.

Perhaps something is up behind the scenes with KK? I mean, this is just puzzling when you consider his overall season and the fact that its Carpenter, not Happ coming up. Carp is a half-step to a step below KK ability wise.

Theory: Calling up Carp gives them bullpen help between now and Sat (if Moyer implodes again tonight for example) and it clears the way to call up Happ to start on Saturday.

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