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I'm not all that excited about SD's farm system, no real slam dunks lots of question marks with the top guys. Not sure I'd want their major league pitchers either as most of their numbers are Petco inflated.

Good work by Bill Werdl (Werth trade) and Philly.com (Werth out of the lineup) for their inaccuracies. Keep up the good work and those page views, fellas.

I'd prefer to keep Werth, but if they did make a trade I'd rather pick from TB's 2nd tier of prospects than SD's top tier...assuming that's even an option

"Not sure I'd want their major league pitchers either as most of their numbers are Petco inflated"

Bell and Latos says "Hi." Not that we'd get Latos or Bell, but they're not all a bunch of schlubs with Petco numbers.

BTW, am I the only one who thought if Rollins could play through the pain yesterday, why can't he play through the pain today? It would sure beat the agony of watching Valdez at shortstop.

Was I the only one who thought that? And if so, does that make me evil?

Rollins is day to day, Manuel said he might give him a few days off. Good thing they traded Haren. Thank God Castro is not on the team anymore, I would NOT want to see him in the lineup

Philly.com didn't screw up on Werth, I did. Was looking at yesterday's news today on Phils website. I'm the idiot.

Heather: During the game, J-Roll's shoe actually helped by providing some compression on the bruise. Once he took that shoe off... all bets were off. It's not that uncommon when you're dealing with an injury of this kind.

Playing through the pain today would be asinine.

Was I the only one who thought that? And if so, does that make me evil?

Heather is so fvcking evil.

****BTW, am I the only one who thought if Rollins could play through the pain yesterday, why can't he play through the pain today? It would sure beat the agony of watching Valdez at shortstop.****

His foot probably swelled up like a balloon once he took off his cleat. It happens all the time in sports.

"Playing through the pain today would be asinine"

Since it's just a bruise, why is it anymore asinine to play through the pain today than yesterday?

Serious question, not trying to be jerky.

Bottom line: The series against the Rockies determined the future of Jayson Werth.

Even a split there may have had the Phillies working very hard to move Werth. Instead it's a sweep and there's no justification for dealing one of our best hitters during a pennant race.

****Since it's just a bruise, why is it anymore asinine to play through the pain today than yesterday?****

He likely has his foot wrapped and he likely can't even fit a cleat on it if its a bad bruise. It'll take a day or so for the swelling to go down even with them doing everything they can on it. My guess at least.

Heather: Bell has a .105 point home/road difference in career OPS allowed. Latos has been better on the road, but he probably has sample size issues. That's probably moot though as I doubt the Pad's trade either of them for a 2 month rental. I was speaking more realistically of the LaBlancs, Stauffers, and Garland's of the world.

"He likely has his foot wrapped and he likely can't even fit a cleat on it if its a bad bruise. It'll take a day or so for the swelling to go down even with them doing everything they can on it. My guess at least."

Of course now that you say it, it makes sense. I think my reason was clouded by the prospect of Valdez batting in our lineup....

Word on the street is that Victorino was seen in the Phil. Intnl. Airport this afternoon...with a game in Philly tonight, what could be up?

Heather - have you ever played sports on a severely bruised foot? Not only does it hurt like hell, but it will alter the way you run, push off, throw, swing a bat, etc. This can lead to further injury (such as the muscle strain variety) as you try to compensate.

That's a pretty clear reason why it would be asinine to try to play on it.

I heard the Phils are on the verge of dealing Shane Victorino for Jayson Werth. Both have been pulled from the lineup and are currently on crutches.

"Word on the street is that Victorino was seen in the Phil. Intnl. Airport this afternoon...with a game in Philly tonight, what could be up"

Picking up his girlfriend or something?

Heather, I don't think you're evil.

Foot injuries are tough. The foot has about a hundred bones that can bruise, break, cause pain, etc. Once you take that shoe off, the foot swells and you'll be lucky to get your foot into a snow boot.

@BigMYC and Heather:

He was there for a Southwest Airlines promotion. So was the Phanatic, apparently.

http://twitpic.com/296w95

bigmyc... i know the Phanatic was at the airport today doing some promotional stuff. Vic might have been there for the same reason. I don't know though.

Bridoc, you beat me to it, with a link. You're fast.

Yeah my overreaction is probably because I'm sick of Valdez.

At this point, I'd rather have the Phanatic batting 8th instead of Valdez. At least the Phanatic would have entertainment value.

I think Heather, like a lot of men, have played sports when they have a bruise or strain.

The degree of bruise or strain is important, of course, but the other real difference is that at the major league level you can't afford the risk of making the injury worse.

Victorino went to that? Pat the Bat would've laughed in the Phils PR's office face with that request.

Maybe it's the day but I'm thinking we should trade the Fanatic even up for a Super Loogy.

"Victorino went to that? Pat the Bat would've laughed in the Phils PR's office face with that request"

Wasn't Pat Burrell usually too $hitfaced to do anything till about 2 in the afternoon?

its pretty awesome that at least two posters have questioning JROLL for not "playing through pain"... and both of them female.

although in fairness both apologized for it... although one was much more snarky about it. you can decide which.

"I heard the Phils are on the verge of dealing Shane Victorino for Jayson Werth. Both have been pulled from the lineup and are currently on crutches."

HAHAHA

Heather:
I played a whole football game in H.S. with a broken wrist. Thought I had just sprained it so I figured it wouldn't get much worse.Swelled up to about twice it's size the next day. It's just the nature of injuries sometimes that you can just deal with it until it starts swelling.

I mean speaking of ankle injuries how many times do football players tweak an ankle and after the game find out it's much worse after they played through it. McNabb finishing that game against AZ in I think 03 after breaking his ankle in the first half comes to mind. Luckily Jimmy isn't in that boat.

Adrenaline and a fair bit of Pride/Machismo factor into it too.

"Maybe it's the day but I'm thinking we should trade the Fanatic even up for a Super Loogy."

Matt Garza is a Super Loogy.

The Phils need a super LOOGY.

Hamm: "its pretty awesome that at least two posters have questioning JROLL for not "playing through pain"... and both of them female."

Are you sure about that?

I didn't criticize Jimmy for not playing through the pain. I wonder if it came off that way, but I didn't mean it to be a criticism.

Victorino was at the airport doing a community event with Southwest Airlines.

cradle of the world's misinformation, this place

Jason Bay has a concussion. The Mets missed it and let Bay play two games, shocking.

Heather: the Phanatic batting 8th and playing shortstop would be awesome. I'd pay triple regular prices for a ticket to that.

I once played a volleyball match with a torn tendon in my ankle. I wrapped it up real tight and managed it.

When I got home, I took off my shoe, sock and brace... and it was one of the ugliest things I'd ever seen in my life. I could hardly walk on it the next day.

BB - Yeah no way Burrell would go to hit on some possible Southwest's flight attendants back in the day. Swiss Air, Sinapore Airlines, and Aer Lingus don't fly into Philly.

I once went swimming right after eating. Didn't wait an hour or nufin'.

Yea, you always want your SS playing in pain. That way, they can't play at full strength and possibly make the injury worse. I think that's great.

Looked to me like Rollins bruised his lateral maleolus. That's the outer bony prominence of the ankle and as all bony prominences are, it is just loaded with nerve ending. Extremely painful place to get hit.

At least it looked like it hit there when I was watching the game. He was clearly in pain the rest of the game, and only because he didn't take off his cleats during the game was he able to finish. I'm sure it swelled badly as soon as he removed his socks and cleats.

I'm surprised he can walk on it today without crutches. Severely painful place to get hit. And if I'm right about where he got hit, you're looking at a couple days minimum and possibly more.

And no, I don't know anyone who would or could "tough it out." Rollins has deserved come criticism a few times in the past. But we know he's played hurt and other than one time not running out a ball, he hustles at all times.

That really does suck. He was just getting his timing back.

And Heather - you must be joking.

You've never had an injury that hurt much more the second day?

How about on those occasions that you've fallen off your high horse?

Or maybe when one of your servants slipped when removing your crown before you went to bed?

I took an Aer Lingus flight last week, the only flight attendant I remember was I fantastically gay man with bleach blond eye brows and brown hair.

Phillies' BP Postseason Odds are only 28% - why should Rollins even bother?

How dare Vic go to the airport? I thought they tied him up on a leash in the clubhouse until game time. I know he tends to run away, but a source close to Roy Oswalt told me that Vic was micro-chipped the last time he went to the vet.

J-Roll may have played through the pain yesterday, but he wasnt exactly functional. 0 for 5 at the plate and, in the field, he could barely move for balls that were hit just a few feet away. I'm not a fan of Valdez but a healthy Valdez is still better than a non-functional Rollins.

Maybe picking up Frenchy is the best way to go for final campaign run.

Old Phan, he must have chewed through the leash and then run through the Invisible Fence. Clearly he's much tougher than that creampuff Rollins.

... told me that Vic was micro-chipped the last time he went to the vet.

Oh, how technology has changed! The last time JD Drew went to the Vet, all he got was D cell batteries.

I believe after that incident he got demoted to AA.

GSS, the grounds crew always forgets to turn that damn thing on.

Chooch stayed in after getting smacked in the cabeza with a bat. St. Uts stayed in the game after he jammed his thumb. Polly played after getting hit. Look what it did for those guys.
If Rollins was a real man, he'd play and do some real damage to his foot.

austin hyatt was scheduled to start for Clearwater tonight but it appears as though Jesus Sanchez will be starting...scratched?

Hyatt for Garza? Keep your fingers crossed. But can Garza pitch without cowbells?

I hear that it's Austin Hyatt & Tuffy Gosewich for Zach Greinke and Joakim Soria.

Is Heather evil? Dude...

She's a Heather.

bap: We can't really afford to trade Tuffy Gosewisch based on our lack of minor league catching depth. I hope that's not a real rumor.

Don't joke about trading Tuffy Gosewich! I'm in the process having his jersey custom made. That's not a joke. I'm making a Tuffy Gosewich R-Phils jersey. Stop staring at me like that.

You can have your Tuffy Gosewich jersey. I'll keep my Tagg Bozied shirt.

Lemme guess. There's a veritable jamboree of scouts behind the plate watching Worley tonight.

Rizzotti now 5/5 in the continuation of last night's game.

They came for the Worley, but stayed for the Rizzoti. Too bad Rizz is not in AAA so that could be true.

dlhunter - Only flew Aer Lingus twice and I am going on memory. In general though, European airlines generally have more attractive flight attendants (male and female).

Rizzotti keeps hitting. People keep saying he's not a prospect. Judging from the Timo Perez AA signing, I don't think it's possible any longer to be too old for the league in AA.

Either this kid is having the mirage season of all time. Or he was a late bloomer and they ought to be fitting him for a left fielder's mitt.

"In general though, European airlines generally have more attractive flight attendants (male and female)."

Absolutely.

@bap -- defensively you are right.. with the lack of offensive production from Rollins since his injury return, he's basically been Wilson Valdez with power.

Unfortunately, he's heated up in the last 9 games or so despite the 0 for last night.
slash line for the last 9 games
.282/.333/.359/.692

From someone in Oswalt's inner Circle of Trust: "Roy Oswalt would except a trade to the Phillies without them picking up his option only if he gets to sleep with Chase Utley's wife."

Except a trade? I'm more confused than ever.

Yo, New Thing.

Except a trade? I'm more confused than ever.

Yes, with no acceptions.

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