I've been rooting for the Phils since I was little. I moved to LA in September. I have a ticket to Game 1. And I'm wondering if anyone has any experience at Dodger Stadium. My plan is to leave the game with everyone in my section having fallen in love with the Phils and cheering like crazy as Cole finishes up his complete game, but I realize that might be a little overoptimistic. Are Dodger fans mean or just disinterested?
Kershaw is hard to hit, but he walks a lot of people. If the Phils exploit that by being patient, they will win this game. Force Kershaw to walk you or throw you a good pitch. Go Phils!
Jake- I was last years NLCS game that Moyer and the Phils lost. It was a mellow vibe in the stadium itself but be careful in the parking lots, there seem to be alot of knuckle heads drinking with a ganglike mentality.
I just realized I posted this in the wrong spot - the Rockies series was "REDEMPTION! The wrongs of two years ago have been righted and now it's on to the toughest challenge in sport - repeating. The Phillies remarkably became only the fifth NL team in history to win a playoff series the year after winning it all - let's do it again! Now it's for the pennant!"
This should be a great series and it looks like a 6 or 7 gamer to me, hopefully the grit and determination of our nucleus and our starting pitchers will propel the Phils to only the seventh pennant in our history!!!!!!!
Having gone to about a dozen Dodger games as a diehard Phils fan (going to Game 2 tomorrow as well) there are couple things you should know.
1) Dodger fans are ignorant and uneducated and they are there to cheer on a team they know little about (depending on where you sit).
2) Manny could be a convicted murderer and they would still root for him. Keep this in mind when you boo him every time he comes to the plate and you get the death stares.
3) You will have food thrown at you. Probably just popcorn, though.
4) It takes 3 hours to get into the park and get seated because there is only one goddamn road that goes into Dodger Stadium.
5) If we win, get out fast.
6) If we lose, get out fast.
7) Have a friend with you, it's a little better if your friend is a Dodger fan.
8) The better your seats, the less hostile it gets.
9) Never sit in the bleachers in RF. No booze and there is a reason for that. (murder)
Spitz-Some writers did pick ups, but who cares? Nobody picked us last year, either. I think we're patient tonight with Kershaw, get to him by the fourth and Hamels returns to 2008 NLCS and WS MVP form and we cruise. And tomorrow, we light Padillia up like a Christmas tree and head back to Philly with a 2-0 lead.
Jake,I went to thr game last year when Vic and Stairs hit their monster home runs. I've been to a lot of Dodgers games, but never saw a crowd that was so hostile as the playoff game. Be ready, but have a great time.
pbluts, I agree with you. I think the Phils will win this thing in 6, and the games won't be that close. Yes, having a great BP is an advantage, but having a better starting pitching and a better offense (both of which the Phils have) is more of an advantage.
I'm just surprised the national media is so in love with LAD, thats all.
Joel Goodling, I couldn't have said it better myself!!! Everything thing he said I say again. IT-IS-INSANE. Philly gets a bad rap, but LA has the WORST FANS IN THE WORLD.
Jake - you can be as loud and obnoxious as you want for the first hour of the game. Its true that no one shows up there until the 4th inning. LA is the worst sports town I've lived in - even SF is much much better.
Contrary to what others said on the last thread my statement was not meant to infer "jumping off of the bandwagon." I truly believe Hamels is the key to this series, much like Lee was the key to the NLDS. We need for him to pitch well tonight and at least keep it close in order to win this series.
I'm sorry if I'm not being rah-rah enough and being too "negative," but my point was valid, I think.
doubleh: For what it's worth, I agree. It's a bit much to expect Hamels to be the guy he was last season in the playoffs, but he's definitely going to have to show more than he did for most of '09 (NLDS start vs. Colorado included) if the Phillies are to beat L.A. again & advance to the World Series.
doubleh - Agreed. Hamels is going to likely pitch at least twice and with Cholly's "fly by the seat of your pants" approach to managing the pitching staff they really only have two set starters right now in Hamels and Lee. They need both of these guys to pitch well and give them at least 6 IP each time out.
Facing Kershaw tonight, Hamels likely needs to give the Phils at 7 IP and 3 R for them to have a really good shot to win. Just don't see the Phils scoring more than 4 runs tonight.
I wouldn't be surprised if tonight was more high scoring than people are expecting. Kershaw doesn't scare me in the same sense that Lowe did last year. I agree, I think Hamels is really the key to this series as well as the key to this game.
Totally awkward sideline reporter totally within earshot criticizing Rollins. Also, worst hairpiece ever...well, when compared to the suit its not so bad...
b_a_p: Yeah, but J-Roll has that whole "One, maybe two pitches, & I'm Out" problem, which doesn't leave much opportunity for him to make any kind of base running mistake.
Speaking of smart baserunners, isn't Howard perfect in basestealing? :) Or did he finally get caught once, can't remember. And then there's Utley, who I am sure is perfect in stolen bases.
Apropos of nothing, this postseason.tv thing on mlb.com is pretty awesome. I can watch any part of the game I want: bullpens, dugouts, parts of the field, etc.
Maybe Hamels is just trying the Lee method to postseason pitching, put two guys on in the first while looking kinda iffy, and then obliterate them for the next 8.
Kershaw looks like he has a more complete arsenal than Hamels does because his slider is a legit 3rd pitch. Hamels' just doesn't have a legit 3rd pitch.
I detest the Dodgers: front running fans who show up late, nasty gangsta fans, unknowledgeable fans, media darlings (already a feature story in SI this past week about the new look Dodgers), Martin seems like a total whining jerk, on and on. Would love nothing better than to see the Phils kick their tails again, and they have the capability to do just that.
I think the first game is huge. Kershaw will be tough but if they break him, I could see the Dodgers going into a funk ("Geez, here we go again, what does it take to beat these guys?"). On the other hand if they pound Hamels, they could really get on a roll and be very tough to beat, although I think the Phils are more battle tested and resilient.
Kershaw looks tough after two, but Utley and Howard both could have been homers in CBP or if they were more toward the lines. He's good, but he can be had. Make him work, grind it out.
spitz, you can't draw on the past to make an impulsive conclusion about this game. Please commence whining or go to some other website with your reasonable points.
It's the second inning. Remember how good Jimenez looked at the start of the last Game 1? The Phils have already hit two to the warning track. They'll get after Kershaw too.
I've been rooting for the Phils since I was little. I moved to LA in September. I have a ticket to Game 1. And I'm wondering if anyone has any experience at Dodger Stadium. My plan is to leave the game with everyone in my section having fallen in love with the Phils and cheering like crazy as Cole finishes up his complete game, but I realize that might be a little overoptimistic. Are Dodger fans mean or just disinterested?
Posted by: Jake | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 05:57 PM
Jake -- I think that has a ton to do with where your seats are.
Posted by: Zach Morris | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 06:20 PM
Kershaw is hard to hit, but he walks a lot of people. If the Phils exploit that by being patient, they will win this game. Force Kershaw to walk you or throw you a good pitch. Go Phils!
Posted by: brother | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 06:21 PM
Jake- I was last years NLCS game that Moyer and the Phils lost. It was a mellow vibe in the stadium itself but be careful in the parking lots, there seem to be alot of knuckle heads drinking with a ganglike mentality.
Posted by: vegas | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 06:24 PM
This is cool:
http://www.the700level.com/2009/10/an-open-letter-to.html
Posted by: Greg S. in Lanc | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 06:37 PM
I just realized I posted this in the wrong spot - the Rockies series was "REDEMPTION! The wrongs of two years ago have been righted and now it's on to the toughest challenge in sport - repeating. The Phillies remarkably became only the fifth NL team in history to win a playoff series the year after winning it all - let's do it again! Now it's for the pennant!"
This should be a great series and it looks like a 6 or 7 gamer to me, hopefully the grit and determination of our nucleus and our starting pitchers will propel the Phils to only the seventh pennant in our history!!!!!!!
Posted by: Verdeforce | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 06:43 PM
awesome graphic JW
Posted by: comatose | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 06:44 PM
That is cool, Greg, thanks!
And that is a great graphic, JW.
Posted by: GBrettfan | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 06:51 PM
Another day, another dollar, another win against the dodgers.
Posted by: dlhunter | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 06:53 PM
Having gone to about a dozen Dodger games as a diehard Phils fan (going to Game 2 tomorrow as well) there are couple things you should know.
1) Dodger fans are ignorant and uneducated and they are there to cheer on a team they know little about (depending on where you sit).
2) Manny could be a convicted murderer and they would still root for him. Keep this in mind when you boo him every time he comes to the plate and you get the death stares.
3) You will have food thrown at you. Probably just popcorn, though.
4) It takes 3 hours to get into the park and get seated because there is only one goddamn road that goes into Dodger Stadium.
5) If we win, get out fast.
6) If we lose, get out fast.
7) Have a friend with you, it's a little better if your friend is a Dodger fan.
8) The better your seats, the less hostile it gets.
9) Never sit in the bleachers in RF. No booze and there is a reason for that. (murder)
10) Have fun! GO PHILS!
Posted by: Joel Goodling | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 07:09 PM
Man, it seems like most of the national media is picking LAD. Did anyone on ESPN, SI, or Fox pick the Phils to win this series?
Posted by: Spitz | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 07:10 PM
We never had a prediction thread, but Dodgers in 7.
Posted by: Tray | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 07:20 PM
Spitz-Some writers did pick ups, but who cares? Nobody picked us last year, either. I think we're patient tonight with Kershaw, get to him by the fourth and Hamels returns to 2008 NLCS and WS MVP form and we cruise. And tomorrow, we light Padillia up like a Christmas tree and head back to Philly with a 2-0 lead.
Posted by: pblunts | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 07:24 PM
Meant "pick us" obviously.
Posted by: pblunts | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 07:25 PM
Jake,I went to thr game last year when Vic and Stairs hit their monster home runs. I've been to a lot of Dodgers games, but never saw a crowd that was so hostile as the playoff game. Be ready, but have a great time.
Posted by: Old Phan | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 07:25 PM
pbluts, I agree with you. I think the Phils will win this thing in 6, and the games won't be that close. Yes, having a great BP is an advantage, but having a better starting pitching and a better offense (both of which the Phils have) is more of an advantage.
I'm just surprised the national media is so in love with LAD, thats all.
Lets get it on!
Posted by: Spitz | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 07:28 PM
Joel Goodling, I couldn't have said it better myself!!! Everything thing he said I say again. IT-IS-INSANE. Philly gets a bad rap, but LA has the WORST FANS IN THE WORLD.
Posted by: LA Jeff | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 07:29 PM
If Jake accomplishes his goal, I'm guessing he passed around some pretty high quality weed.
Posted by: Scott | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 07:29 PM
heard commercial that 1210 will by sync'd up with the tv broadcast
Posted by: THe Dude | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 07:31 PM
Phils in 6.
Posted by: MG | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 07:31 PM
Jake - you can be as loud and obnoxious as you want for the first hour of the game. Its true that no one shows up there until the 4th inning. LA is the worst sports town I've lived in - even SF is much much better.
Posted by: Spitz | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 07:34 PM
Contrary to what others said on the last thread my statement was not meant to infer "jumping off of the bandwagon." I truly believe Hamels is the key to this series, much like Lee was the key to the NLDS. We need for him to pitch well tonight and at least keep it close in order to win this series.
I'm sorry if I'm not being rah-rah enough and being too "negative," but my point was valid, I think.
Posted by: doubleh | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 07:35 PM
doubleh: For what it's worth, I agree. It's a bit much to expect Hamels to be the guy he was last season in the playoffs, but he's definitely going to have to show more than he did for most of '09 (NLDS start vs. Colorado included) if the Phillies are to beat L.A. again & advance to the World Series.
Posted by: G-Town Dave | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 07:44 PM
doubleh - Agreed. Hamels is going to likely pitch at least twice and with Cholly's "fly by the seat of your pants" approach to managing the pitching staff they really only have two set starters right now in Hamels and Lee. They need both of these guys to pitch well and give them at least 6 IP each time out.
Facing Kershaw tonight, Hamels likely needs to give the Phils at 7 IP and 3 R for them to have a really good shot to win. Just don't see the Phils scoring more than 4 runs tonight.
Posted by: MG | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 07:46 PM
Phils in 6.
Posted by: king myno | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 07:47 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if tonight was more high scoring than people are expecting. Kershaw doesn't scare me in the same sense that Lowe did last year. I agree, I think Hamels is really the key to this series as well as the key to this game.
Pessimism seems to be good luck, so Dodgers in 7.
Posted by: Murgatroid | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 07:56 PM
Good, at least we got Ron Darling to listen to on TBS.
Posted by: vegas | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:02 PM
Is all this Bon Jovi neccesary...?
Posted by: High Hopes | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:04 PM
Ok so will this be a pitchers dual or a high scoring fest.
Good Luck to you guys but I still want you guys to lose.
You know why. :)
Posted by: Harris the Mets fan | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:06 PM
Totally awkward sideline reporter totally within earshot criticizing Rollins. Also, worst hairpiece ever...well, when compared to the suit its not so bad...
Posted by: High Hopes | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:08 PM
At least this time we get a play-by-play guy who pronounces "Utley" with a "t."
Posted by: Spoilt Victorian Child | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:08 PM
Here we go...
Posted by: dlhunter | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:10 PM
C'mon gang
Posted by: dlhunter | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:11 PM
Well, that's an auspicious beginning.
Posted by: G-Town Dave | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:12 PM
That utley hit was close if its cbp its gone and tough luck with victerino
Posted by: Harris the mets fan | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:13 PM
Ooh.
I'll give Vic this: he's fast. He fell to the ground, crawled, got up, and still almost beat the tag.
Posted by: timr | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:13 PM
That kind of stuff NEVER happens to Rollins on the basepaths. He doesn't have as much pure speed as Vic, but he's a much better baserunner.
Posted by: bay_area_phan | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:14 PM
Victorino is so stupid sometimes.
Posted by: doubleh | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:14 PM
Even being in position to be picked off with Howard at the plate is foolish.
Posted by: Knight | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:16 PM
b_a_p: Yeah, but J-Roll has that whole "One, maybe two pitches, & I'm Out" problem, which doesn't leave much opportunity for him to make any kind of base running mistake.
Posted by: G-Town Dave | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:16 PM
Bon Jovi is never necessary. But even that beats the bilge they incessantly blare on the Dodger Stadium PA.
Posted by: RSB | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:16 PM
Speaking of smart baserunners, isn't Howard perfect in basestealing? :) Or did he finally get caught once, can't remember. And then there's Utley, who I am sure is perfect in stolen bases.
Posted by: GBrettfan | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:16 PM
The crazy thing is Shane almost made it back to the bag.
Posted by: dlhunter | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:17 PM
I thought Howard got caught at the end of the year.
Posted by: joe l | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:17 PM
I thought I saw Victorino yelling at someone...should be an interesting series, all right.
Posted by: RSB | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:17 PM
Hamels doesn't look sharp so far.
Posted by: Knight | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:18 PM
Franzke reports Shane and Russell Martin were exchanging words.
Posted by: dlhunter | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:18 PM
Howard has 8 SB & 1 CS. Utley is a perfect 23 for 23.
Posted by: G-Town Dave | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:19 PM
They're swinging at every first pitch
Posted by: Cory | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:19 PM
Wow. Lots of fastballs to Manny early on here and going right at him. Completely different than last year's NLCS.
Posted by: MG | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:20 PM
Werth has also had a lot of success: 20 SB, 3 CS.
Posted by: G-Town Dave | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:21 PM
Yikes. Cole is getting me a little worried.
Posted by: dlhunter | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:21 PM
Apropos of nothing, this postseason.tv thing on mlb.com is pretty awesome. I can watch any part of the game I want: bullpens, dugouts, parts of the field, etc.
Posted by: dlhunter | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:23 PM
Sit down dirtbag.
Posted by: MG | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:23 PM
So much for you better look Chip Carey.
Posted by: Spitz | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:23 PM
Finally. That AB was starting to worry me.
Posted by: Knight | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:23 PM
Wasn't Manny supposed to cut his hair once he came over to L.A.? Still waiting ...
Posted by: G-Town Dave | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:24 PM
Come on Cole - dont let Blake beat you
Posted by: Spitz | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:25 PM
95 95 95 hamles is jacked for this game
Posted by: Cory | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:26 PM
geeze...96 mph
Posted by: mal | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:26 PM
Maybe Hamels is just trying the Lee method to postseason pitching, put two guys on in the first while looking kinda iffy, and then obliterate them for the next 8.
I'd take it.
Posted by: Knight | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:27 PM
Okay 1st for Cole. Don't think I saw one curveball that inning and I wonder how much Hamels uses it tonight.
Posted by: MG | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:27 PM
Brett's chilling in the dugout by himself, dressed in warmups. Kinda weird.
Posted by: dlhunter | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:28 PM
Have we talked yet about how bad this remake of "All you need is love" is?
TBS plays that commercial between every single inning. So annoying!
Posted by: timr | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:28 PM
19 Pitches. Curve = M.I.A.
Posted by: G-Town Dave | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:28 PM
He usually uses his curve for the 8th hitter in the lineup.
Posted by: Cory | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:29 PM
timr: It makes me want to vomit.
Posted by: mal | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:29 PM
MG, if his FB is being clocked in the mid 90s and he cna locate, then there is no reason to go to the curve.
Posted by: Spitz | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:29 PM
Man, two warning track shots already for the Phillies. If only we were in CBP.
Posted by: Knight | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:31 PM
timr - the tmobile commercial is pretty annoying too
Posted by: joe l | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:34 PM
FUCKEN ump gives the low pitch to kershaw not hamels
Posted by: Jordan | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:34 PM
Dunno why Jayson watched that in there. Nerves?
Posted by: dlhunter | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:34 PM
Kershaw looks like he has a more complete arsenal than Hamels does because his slider is a legit 3rd pitch. Hamels' just doesn't have a legit 3rd pitch.
Posted by: MG | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:34 PM
Kershaw looks pretty good.
Posted by: timr | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:35 PM
can't win if we never take the bat off our shoulders.
Posted by: petey | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:35 PM
Kershaw looks impressive. fml.
Posted by: Cory | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:35 PM
Kershaw's just throwing everything for strikes. Not a good sign.
Posted by: bay_area_phan | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:35 PM
Worst commericals by far are for the George Lopez. Almost guaranteed to be a variety show that doesn't elicit a single genuine laugh.
Posted by: MG | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:36 PM
Lots of empty seats in LA. Won't be in the case in Philly.
Posted by: Ribbies | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:36 PM
Well, Kershaw is officially comfortable. This is going to be a long night for the offense.
Posted by: Knight | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:36 PM
Yeah, Kershaw looks good. Dodgers in 4.
Posted by: Iceman | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:37 PM
Knight, do you remember how comfortable Jimenez looked in game one the first time through the lineup?
Posted by: spitz | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:37 PM
The worst commercial is the guy yelling, "It is on." It will pop up throughout the night I'm sure just to tick me off.
Posted by: TTI | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:38 PM
I detest the Dodgers: front running fans who show up late, nasty gangsta fans, unknowledgeable fans, media darlings (already a feature story in SI this past week about the new look Dodgers), Martin seems like a total whining jerk, on and on. Would love nothing better than to see the Phils kick their tails again, and they have the capability to do just that.
I think the first game is huge. Kershaw will be tough but if they break him, I could see the Dodgers going into a funk ("Geez, here we go again, what does it take to beat these guys?"). On the other hand if they pound Hamels, they could really get on a roll and be very tough to beat, although I think the Phils are more battle tested and resilient.
Kershaw looks tough after two, but Utley and Howard both could have been homers in CBP or if they were more toward the lines. He's good, but he can be had. Make him work, grind it out.
Posted by: Bob | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:38 PM
It is not unusual for the Phils to start slow, especially with a pitcher like Kershaw. They will figure him out.
Posted by: Old Phan | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:38 PM
spitz, you can't draw on the past to make an impulsive conclusion about this game. Please commence whining or go to some other website with your reasonable points.
Posted by: Iceman | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:39 PM
Harrumph.
Posted by: dlhunter | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:40 PM
Sigh. Stick a fork in him, Hamels is done.
Posted by: Knight | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:40 PM
ump not giving cole the low strike causes that HR?
Posted by: petey | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:40 PM
Hamels had a strike on Loney before he popped that out. Hamels isn't getting the same strikezone that Kershaw is.
Posted by: doubleh | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:40 PM
Loney, oh dear.
Posted by: timr | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:40 PM
Give up a HR to a guy who hit a SINGLE HR all year at home and only 4 HRs vs. LHP this year?
You can get beat by Ethier or Manny but not by a second-tier guy like Loney.
Posted by: MG | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:41 PM
Knight, that was funny!
Posted by: Old Phan | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:41 PM
Relax.
It's the second inning. Remember how good Jimenez looked at the start of the last Game 1? The Phils have already hit two to the warning track. They'll get after Kershaw too.
Posted by: 85 | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:43 PM
MG: I'm sure that's the same thing the Rockies' fans are saying about Ruiz.
Posted by: doubleh | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:44 PM
cannot do that, cole. cannot.
Posted by: petey | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:44 PM
*@##!**!!
Come on cole - you need to get Furcal right now.
Posted by: Spitz | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:44 PM
Excellent Cole, walk the pitcher.
Posted by: Knight | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:45 PM
It goes without saying I guess, but walking the hitter this early is a really bad sign...
Posted by: timr | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:45 PM
Darling is right on - frustration and a lack of concentration.
Posted by: MG | Thursday, October 15, 2009 at 08:45 PM