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Wednesday, August 19, 2009

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BB: I don't care what ownership makes. But I accept the reality that the Phillies (like every other business in the world) operate on a budget and must construct their team within the parameters of that budget. Therefore, to treat salary as though it's completely irrelevant to personnel decisions is every bit as unrealistic as proposing that we trade Terry Tiffee & Tuffy Gosewich for Joe Mauer. The Phillies have demonstrated some ability to eat salary but, at the same time, those Eaton & Jenkins signings are still hurting the team from a baseball standpoint, since it's 15M fewer dollars that we can use to address other areas.

In any event, money isn't even the real issue in the Garland-Happ discussion. The real issue is about the number of years that you have a player under team control. Putting money aside, 4 more years of Happ is better than 3 more months of Jon Garland (actually 3 months of Happ is better than 3 months of Garland, but I don't want to get side-tracked with a different argument).

Who else?

Try Madson. Try Park. Try Lidge in the 8th. Then try Myers. 46 games left to figure out who the best option will be.

I refreshing change from the management that gave Paul Abbott 12 starts in the middle of a pennant race.

I disagree that there is a lack of urgency. Still, even if that were true, or ESPECIALLY if that were true, then NOW is the time to figure it out, and get that person acclimated to the role as quickly as possible.

Who else?

It's Madson. I know he struggled in his first spot duty, but is that enough for us to dismiss this as a possibility for the rest of the season? We know Lidge isn't doing the job.

It's Madson. Plain and simple. And if he fails, let's look at plans C, D and E (Myers, Park and Martinez?).

"the Phils have become giant hard-asses when it comes to their pitching, and it's working"

great take on the current handling of things. i, for one, love the approach.

re: Lidge. i get so mad every time he blows a save but days later i find myself thinking exactly that, "who else?" i keep thinking he just has to get it together. and it's not just about this year, it's about a 3 year/36 million dollar deal. it has to work.

More than most pitchers, Lidge has to get ahead in the count to have success. This is in order to use the bury 'em slider he throws. He can't throw that behind in the count. He can't throw it with a man on base too often. He NEEDS to get to 0-2, 1-2 in order to throw it. When he does that, he's awesome. When he doesn't.. well, you've seen what happens.

Lidge will stay the closer until he gets right or until his right knee blows apart in a spectacular shower of bone and cartilage. At this point, I think some Phillies fans would take either of those results.

I hadn't really thought about it, but the Phillies don't treat their starting rotation as an entitlement, like a lot of clubs do, based on seniority or salary. Two great examples from last year were:

Sending Eaton down, then benching him, then cutting him and eating his salary.

Sending Myers down.

Moyer needs to quit moping. Boy, if I was Moyer, I'd be grinning from ear to ear after last night's effort.

Another thought on Moyer. I'm sure that teams really focus on preparing hitters on facing starters. I doubt that the preparation is as intense or remembered as well by hitters when relievers enter games unannounced. A smoke and mirrors pitcher like Moyer, who only survives by guile, is probably better served to be pitching to unprepared batters rather than ones who study up on him before his announced starts.

There's an irony in keeping Lidge in the closer role that doesn't make it as bad as it could be.

Manuel has such a rigid system for closers - only to start innings, only in the ninth inning, only in leads of 1-4 runs, and never in tie games on the road - that Madson and Park may end up pitching in the most high-leverage innings anyway.

Madson and Park are more valuable right now as guys who can come in in the seventh or eighth with runners on, or in tie games, then they would be in the "save only" closers role.

Stick with Lidge, because the Phils have earned our trust and Madson hasn't done it. If Brett bounces back from hip surgery and Lidge still stinks, then we'll talk.

just read zolecki's blog on moyer - pretty straight forward about moyer's attitude for the phillies team blog.

Waking up to a Lee-Haren matchup puts a big smile on my face.

Something to consider: given Stairs' recent struggles, his one dimensional pinch hitting, and his poor defense, did the Phillies make the wrong decision keeping Stairs and jettisoning Jenkins?

At the risk of being considered a "what have you done for me lately football fan", I think I'd rather have an outfield of Ibanez, Vic, Werth, Francisco, and Jenkins than what we have now. Jenkins would allow Ibanez and Werth to get a couple more days off in my opinion.

"Did the Phillies make the wrong decision keeping Stairs and jettisoning Jenkins?"

Nah, and Jenkins play the outfield about as much as Stairs does now anyway. Stairs is struggling, but they'll be happy to have him in October.

In the last thread, Loqiel wrote: "The Yankees haven't won a thing in a decade because they tried to construct an All-Star team and forgot about roleplayers, like Brosius and O'Neill."

Now I know why the Phils and not the Yanks are WFC; because of guys like Bruntlett et al. Give me a break.

Jenkins fell off the face of the earth for a reason when he was cut.

Though, there have been times where'd I have rather had Jenkins on the bench than our other 4th OF options.

I agree on Lidge as we have time (and a nice lead) to figure things out...still brutal to watch him pitch from night to night.

Kdon: You know I thought about that, especially as Madson faced the heart of Atlanta's order this weekend. I was saying to myself "I'd rather have them up now than in an inning."

ESPN reporting Dodgers strongly considering Padilla for their rotation. Can we just stick a fork in them if they get him?

Stairs looks really shot....

****Now I know why the Phils and not the Yanks are WFC; because of guys like Bruntlett et al. Give me a break.****

You're comparing Scott Brosius and Paul O'Neill to Eric freaking Bruntlett???

O'Neill and Brosius were very good, but not superstar parts of 4 championship teams...not 5th guy on the bench types.

"Madson hasn't done it."

Madson's struggles as closer were a total coincidence. No reliever is perfect. They all scuffle now and then. His struggles just happened to coincide with Lidge's injury.

I find it hard to believe that a guy with electric stuff in Game 5 of the World Series in prime time on national TV would come back the next year and be mentally incapable of pitching the 9th inning in June.

Isn't it much more likely that he threw too many fastballs and not enough change-ups? That's a problem that can be corrected?

Here's the point: What if Madson as closer and Lidge as set-up guy is the best option and the Phils just refuse to try it? What if Chan Ho Park is perfect? Why not use these 46 games to figure out what they've got? If Madson can't do it, they have time to move Lidge back or try Myers. What's the harm?

****ESPN reporting Dodgers strongly considering Padilla for their rotation. Can we just stick a fork in them if they get him?****

No, but we can send their clubhouse a congratatory case of gin for their smart signing...

kdon: That's actually a very good point - although, at the same time, 8 blown saves and 5 losses make pretty clear that Lidge has had his fair share of opportunities to blow games.

I don't understand why people are upset with Moyer complaining about his role. Don't you want a competitor that isn't happy when his role is reduced? Note that he still came out and performed (well) when asked. Let him complain all he wants - that doesn't diminish him in my mind - as long as he shows up and pitches when he is called.

Last night was fun. Looking forward to Lee tonight.

NEPP:
Rum?

NEPP - I agree that Jenkins fell off the face of the earth, but I don't think thats because he's not a good enough player. He's probably not good enough for the Phillies. But are you telling me that a team like the SF Giants, who have an outfield of Roward, Randy Winn, Velez, Freddy Lewis, and Nate Scheirholz couldnt have used Geoff Jenkins for the major league minimum? Adam Eaton got not one, but two, jobs this year!

Either Jenkins didnt want to play anymore, or he was blackballed from the league for some reason.

kdon: Good point, but what if a change in role helps Lidge? (I doubt that will happen. I think Lidge is still injured. But it adds to my case about experimenting, so I'm gonna add it to my list of reasons.)

i think the best thing we could do would be to give lidge a myers style trip to the minors to figure out whatever it is he needs to work on. because of the division lead and the other factors listed above, we may not miss him for a couple of weeks and he may come back just as sharp as he was last year.

There should be a sense of urgency. The Marlins have had 10 hits or more in each of their last 14 games and their starters are just as good as ours. They're not going away.

Who's looking forward to the final series of the season with the Marlins with the Division title on the line? They should shoot for being more than 3 games up going into that series. Obviously.

By the way, am I any closer to being permitted to write off the Braves? Their 8 games out in the loss column with less than 50 games to play.

And, in case you haven't noticed, there are only two teams in all of baseball with fewer losses than the Phils, the Yanks and Angels. By the end of the season, I expect the Phils to have the best record in the NL.

Lake Fred: As NEPP pointed out you're kind of missing the point there.

The Yankees won in the 90's becasue they built a really good farm system and brought in the right pieces becasue they had the money to do so by having cheap manageable talent. After they lost to the D'Backs in the World Series they (Steinbrenner) decided throwing cash around was the way to win. So they acquired guys like Giambi, ARod, Johnson, etc and didn't worry so much about building a team. They took the video game approach and the real world doesn't work that way.

NEPP, I was being facetious. I wasn't comparing Scott Brosius and Paul O'Neill to Eric Bruntlett, except to show that Loqiel's statement was completely absurd. If benches won Divisions and World Series; the Phillies, with turds like Bruntlett et al on our bench, would be looking up from the bottom of the standings at the gNats, Fish, Muts and Braves!

****NEPP:
Rum?****

Good point Andy...Vicente is probably a Rum man.


To Spitz: FWIW, I was one that argued for a Jenkins/Juan Rivera platoon in LF all last winter instead of the Ibanez route as I thought we should grab Lowe with that money.

Granted, I was wrong but there seemed to be a good number of indicators that 08 was simply a bad luck year for Geoff. I have been very surprised that he didn't catch on with someone but there was a glut of LH OFs available and no one picked him up. Which is somewhat surprising as he'd be basically free and is reputedly a very good clubhouse guy. I wouldn't have minded having him as our 5th OF even though it would have meant a very LH heavy bench and lineup.

****NEPP, I was being facetious. I wasn't comparing Scott Brosius and Paul O'Neill to Eric Bruntlett,****

Sorry, Paul O'Neill was one of my favorite players in the 90s. Great competitor and a great player...very underrated.

NEPP: Agreed on O'Neill. Loved his tenacity.

Lake Fred: My point is that the Yankees stopped winning championships when they filled the team with stars and not guys who could play baseball, had a specific role, and filled it. I think it's safe to say more people than myself think this idea has at least some merit.

Beard - Careful. "Tenacity" comes awful close to "scrappiness."

O'Neil had an excellent talent set. He could hit, hit for power, field and throw. And, (I seem to remember) in his younger days, was not too terribly slow afoot. One might even say he had "tools."

loqiel, I agree with that theory on the Yankees. They didn't build a "team", they built a AS roster...they're not the same thing.


Oh, speaking of funny things, a friend mentioned this to me today:

"The Mets are still paying for the mistake of signing Bobby Bonilla in 1992 … and they will be for a long time. Bonilla struck a deal with the team in 2000 in which it purchased an annuity rather than pay him the remaining $5.9 million of deferred money that he was owed. So every July 1 from 2011 to 2035, Bonilla will receive $1.19 million, with the total payments adding up to nearly $30 million."

So, good move by the Mets who get to lose $1.2 million a year for the next 25 seasons. This is why deferred money can be a very very bad thing.

****O'Neil had an excellent talent set. He could hit, hit for power, field and throw. And, (I seem to remember) in his younger days, was not too terribly slow afoot. One might even say he had "tools."****

O'Neill was the kind of guy that would knock his mother down to make a diving catch in the OF. He had tools and he had fire in his game. He was fun to watch.

"He had tools and he had fire in his game. He was fun to watch"

Nepp- and that makes him different from Eric Bruntlett in what way??

Off topic here, but if anyone is looking for 2 tickets for Saturday's game, let me know at andy(dot)klingenberger(at)gmail(dot)com.

Section 101, Row 15.

(reposted from previous thread)

According to CBS Sports, Bastardo is out until at least early September with a strained shoulder.

http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasybaseball/players/playerpage/1618624

On Madson as a closer - If I remember correctly, it seemed like he was tinkering with some sort of a cutter when he went into the closer spot. And it got hit quite often.

In the last few months, it's been fastball/changeup, and it's worked just like it used to.

loquiel: So you think the Phillies would be worse off if they replaced role players like Eric Bruntlett, Carlos Ruiz, and Matt Stairs with, say, Ben Zobrist, Brian McCann, and Nick Markakis?

In the 8-year span between 2001 and 2008, those Yankee teams managed to win 6 division titles, make 7 playoff appearances, win two league championships, have 7 seasons of 94+ wins, and have 3 seasons of 100+ wins -- and all without role players who "could play baseball."

The Yankees stopped winning championships for 2 reasons, neither of them having anything to do with "role players" or the lack thereof. The first reason is that, while they had a great lineup, they spent unwisely on starting pitching. The second reason is plain old-fashioned luck. No matter how many stars you pack on your team, the odds are still decidedly against your winning 3 straight October series against the best teams in baseball.

Bubba
""He had tools and he had fire in his game. He was fun to watch"

Nepp- and that makes him different from Eric Bruntlett in what way??"

He had tools. Plus if the Gnome tried to run over his mother he'd probably bounce off.

Andy- I won't sleep tonight with that picyure in my head.

BAP's correct: their pitching quality deteriorated, particularly towards the end (of the Torre era), when they were tossing out the likes of Randy Johnson, Jared Wright and Corey Lidle.

bap: All-Star Game lineups don't work. Especially for the NL.

If you want to cast the "didn't spend wisely" line out, then why not extend it to several sluggers who got enormous contracts and brought with them their steroids and fragile egos who hurt the locker room with the intangible things too? We laud Utley for being a superstar while being humble about it and not having a big ego. Can you imagine the havoc there would be if Rollins and Utley and Howard and Hamels all had enormous egos and fought for press time and headlines?

One of the things about role players is they normally don't come with those enormous egos that need to be constantly sated. They show up, do their job, have a beer with the guys and leave. They are a plus to the team in every venue.

Those Yankee teams you mentioned? They won a lot of games, but they weren't winners. They lacked guys like O'Neill, who were winners.

****BAP's correct: their pitching quality deteriorated, particularly towards the end (of the Torre era), when they were tossing out the likes of Randy Johnson, Jared Wright and Corey Lidle.****

Talk about some careers that really crashed and burned upon going to NY.

Loqiel: so then can we agree that trading for Garland and his salary would not be a wise use of resources?

NEPP: don't forget Carl Pavano, the crown jewel of overpaid-pitching-ineptitude

NEPP: Very funny and offensive. You should write for 4DR.

Nepp: "Talk about some careers that really crashed and burned upon going to NY."

Was this a play on words or just a coincidence?

I was hoping he was alluding to Lidle's crash. Hence my very funny comment.

Yeah, it was a bit over the line I guess. Though the other 2 crashed almost as badly.

Pavano just never was that good to begin with.

All players have tools. It's just that some operate with power tools and Eric Bruntlett has a sharpened rock.

Loqiel: And your proof of this theory is . . .?

Those 2001-2004 Yankee teams won 95, 103, 101, and 101 games. They won 3 ALDS series, and 2 ALCS series. So, if your theory is true, I'm to believe that these "fragile egos" and bad "locker room" presences did not interfere with the team's ability to win all those games and did not interfere with their ability to win 5 playoff series, including 2 ALCS series, but magically showed up and caused Luis Gonzalez to get that game-winning tweener in the 2001 WS, and David Ortiz to hit that walk-off homerun in Game 4 of the 2004 ALCS? And I'm to further believe that, if only those Yankee teams had replaced Jason Giambi with Eric Bruntlett, they would have won a few more World Series?

What if Jamie stays mad and demands a trade next year!!?

"And I'm to further believe that, if only those Yankee teams had replaced Jason Giambi with Eric Bruntlett, they would have won a few more World Series?"

Giambi was an amiable teammate, by all accounts. Sub Bruntlett for A-Rod.

The Phillies have great role players like Victorino and Werth and their contributions were as influential as any in winning the World Series. But that's not to say you wouldn't rather replace them (even in the outfield) with Albert Pujols and Joe Mouer.

Victorino and Werth were excellent pick-ups, but only because there are limited opportunities to obtain star players.

The fact that we can even include names like Victorino and Werth as role players gives a good indication of why this team is a defending world champion.

If you've ever wanted to see a Mets coach refuse to eat a poop sandwich, you will love this.

"I find it hard to believe that a guy with electric stuff in Game 5 of the World Series in prime time on national TV would come back the next year and be mentally incapable of pitching the 9th inning in June."

Madson lost the lead in game 5 (technically a blown save). It was his second blown lead in the series. That just shows you why the pressure on the closer is different than set up guys. If a set up guy blows the lead, people don't even remember as long as they win the game.

Don't get me wrong. You need only look at recent Mets teams to understand that role players are important. But the idea that you're more likely to win a WS with Scott Brosius, Chad Curtis and Chili Davis than with Alex Rodriguez, Gary Sheffield, and Hideki Matsui is just zany. And, even if it were true, how would one go about identifying, ahead of time, which players are "winners" and which are not?

Those Yankees may well have suffered from not having good role players, in the same way that the Mets teams of recent years have suffered from that problem. But there's no cause and effect between their signing of big-ticket free agents and their inability to fill in the minutiae. Signing A-Rod, Giambi, Matsui, and Sheffield did absolutely nothing to hinder the Yankees' ability to find good middle relievers and bench players.

I just saw Grampy Moyer on 7th St during lunch and he still looked grumpy

Why does everyone use hyperbole in their arguments? It's ridiculous.

BAP: He isn't saying- having Bruntlett instead of Giambi meant winning the WS. What he means is taking a slightly lesser guy at a better price who can give you good production.

Case in point: The Phillies needed a left fielder coming into this season. Considering the contracts they doled out and money they took on this year they very well could've signed Manny. I'm sure it came up as well. But they looked at their options and decided that Ibanez was a little cheaper than the top guy and would into the lineup and clubhouse better.

The Yankees for years went for the top hitters on the market and ignored pitching. It's hard to say whether they win by going for maybe the 3rd best hitter on the market and throwing some more cash at the pitching staff but that's how they won in the 90's a few times.

There is no one way to win but the Yankees were hitting on a formula in the 90's to do so. After they lost that series to the Diamondbacks they changed their philosophy and started spending top dollar for the marquee names.

One method won them titles, one didn't.

"Madson lost the lead in game 5"

My point is that he was mentally capable of handling the pressure. Madson threw a good pitch in on Rocco Baldelli's hands in the exact spot he wanted. 95 times out of 100, Baldelli beats the ball into the ground and is thrown out at first. This time Baldelli kept his hands in and muscled it out to left where it barely cleared the outfield fence. Would we have liked to have seen a scoreless inning? Of course. But it wasn't because Madson couldn't handle the pressure.

Contrast Madson blowing that save with Lidge this year. Who do you want out there in the ninth? Also, if it doesn't work, you have time to switch them back. No harm in trying it out.

I'm not necessarily itching to put Madson back in the closer role, seeing how he's failed at that when given the chance this year, but let's not engage in revisionist history here: Madson did not fold under the pressure in the WS. Game 3's blown lead was a run created completely by BJ Upton and Chooch's error. There's almost nothing ANY pitcher could have done about that.

The Game 5 blown lead was a good pitch. The ball was in on Baldelli's hands...he made a tremendous swing on the ball just to be able to get around on a 96 MPH inside heater. He just flat-out got beaten there.

Other than those two rather fluky occurrences, Madson was a shut-down set-up man in the playoffs against both LA and TB when he had to be. This is another reason I don't like the idea of moving him to the 9th: because I believe he is a huge hump for a team to get over in the 8th inning. No one else on the team has consistently proven they can handle that job. But again, if Lidge continues his implosion (as Cholly seems willing to let him do), they're going to have almost no choice.

"But the idea that you're more likely to win a WS with Scott Brosius, Chad Curtis and Chili Davis than with Alex Rodriguez, Gary Sheffield, and Hideki Matsui is just zany."

You know times are good in Phillieland when posts are devoted to these worthies AND the word "zany" is used.

Truth: Basically, you're saying that the Yankee management of the last decade or so has had misplaced priorities -- focusing on marquee everyday hitters and not spending enough (or spending foolishly) on starting pitching. On this point, we agree -- but that's a different argument than the one loquiel was making. He said nothing about pitching but just said, in essence, that the reason the Yankees stopped winning championships was because they signed star players instead of "winning ones."

As for the hyperbole . . . I generally believe that hyperbole creates a distraction and undermines a person's real point. On occasion, however, it can help illustrate the absurdity of a particular argument. I used the Bruntlett/Giambi example to point out the absurdity of arguments that pin a team's fortunes or misfortunes on the presence or absence of "locker room leadership" and other attributes which can't possibly be identified except through wild speculation.

I resent the junkball reliever comment.

I thik loquiel was making that point, but his/her mistake was to overly simplify it.

Zolecki's tweet of the lineup says, shockingly, Bako catching tonight.

BAP: I agree using the phrase, "he's a winner," is a horrible way to make your argument because it means nothing. However, I think loquel was getting at the point I (and you) was making just going about it wrong.

Just spending money doesn't mean anything- spending it wisely does.

Also- in this case I think hyperbole distracts from the point and was being used to purposefully make something ridiuclous rather than accent your point.

EFF: if it ain't broke, don't fix it (especially against a RHP)?

BAKO! He's 3-3 with Lee...I'm all for it.

Bako's line: 2-3, 2B, BB, 2RBI.

has anybody tried the mlb.tv archive feature? i want to watch tonight's game, but i can't watch it live because real life is interfering with baseball. bleh. does mlb.tv ruin the score for you if you watch the game later?

***Zolecki's tweet of the lineup says, shockingly, Bako catching tonight.***

Correlation is not causation, but I think we have enough data to conclude that Lee has a personal catcher. Pretty smart of Rube to pick up the Bakonator in advance of the Lee trade. Or maybe Lee just pitches better with the extra pressure on him of Bako in the lineup.

It seems as if Bako has become Lee's personal catcher.

drake:

mlb.tv does not ruin the score for you unless you click "Jump to inning."

If you want to fast forward, you have to use the fast forward button (which is fine ... commercial breaks are 2:00).

Oh, and remember the address is mlb.com/mediacenter. Going to the mlb.com homepage will obviously ruin it for you.

And while its hard to refute the argument that it's better to have good players than bad players, the Yankees did win 4 WS with a team that really played as a team, and have won 0 since they devoted themselves wholeheartedly to the All-Star team approach.

Truth: Well, perhaps so (about the hyperbole). If I were writing a legal brief, I would never use hyperbole. On Beerleaguer, though, I think it's ok to occasionally get carried away.

"Or maybe Lee just pitches better with the extra pressure on him of Bako in the lineup."

... maybe Lee just HITS better with the extra pressure on him of Bako in the lineup.

need a new handle it seems. I wouldn't suggest moyer would demand a trade. He'll get used to his new role in time, and may even get a chance to become a regular starter again at some point.

I would bet that the Red Sox became a legit "big market" team right around the time the Yankees stopped winning WS. Anyone know where to look up historical payroll #s?

thank you very much jr, i really didn't want to miss the lee/haren matchup.

I'd keep Ruiz in to catch after all those hits last night. I think Lee's good enough he can find a rhythm with Chooch. I wonder whether Charlie suggests it. But if I were Charlie, and Lee clearly felt uncomfortable making a switch, I'd give him Bako, I suppose. Keep the ace happy.

Beer Leaguer without the hyperbole is like Adam Eaton without the 7.00 ERA.

Anybody else curious about Cole's not talking to the media the past week or so? It's probably nothing, but I wonder whether he's mad at the Phillies for demoting his mentor. I'm probably wrong, but I am mildly curious about it.

Spitz:

Baseball Almanac's yearly standings include payrolls, for recent years at least. (Click on the league and season you want to look at in the "Year in Review" box).

GBrettfan: Yeah... I'd call that a massive leap.

1) Cole's never really been much for the media.
2) Since when is Moyer his mentor?
3) Why would he take this supposed anger out on the media?

That Deadspin link with Razon Shines, Mets 3rd base coach is f'n brilliant!

I'd say Hamels is keeping his mouth shut due to shotty performance as opposed to Jamie's demotion. Based on nothing but gut feeling (not something usually supported on BL), I'd think Hamels likes the idea of pitching with a real HOFer.

Exactly how addicted to pitching to the Johnny Bench-like Paul Bako can Cliff Lee be after only 3 games. I agree. Ruiz finally has a big night offensively and you sit him the next night? Reminds me of the time Terry Francona sat Lieberthal after he hit 3 homeruns in 2 days. That's why I call Tito Chance the Manager.

What happens if the Yankees win the WS this year?

Klaus: It'll be 'cause they stopped wasting money on league average pitchers like Garland and paid out for the Burnett's and Sabathia's of the world. . . and started working homegrown players into the lineup again like Gardner, Cabrera, Chamberlain, and Hughes.

Klaus: the Yankees Bandwagon reaches near late 90's levels.

MM: they, along with the Red Sox, are already on ESPN every 20 minutes. It'd be unbearable if they got any more trendy.

mm: it was a trick question. It can't happen. Look at who they signed this past off-season (hint: all-stars).

Klaus: it's a trick question because we all know our hometown 9 are going to win the WFC.

I'm all for Myers coming back and closing down the stretch as long as it doesn't rip the clubhouse apart. Because then as Brett is shutting down hitters for an easy 1-2-3 9th inning we'll get constant camera shot of Lidge sulking with his arms on his hips on the bullpen mound looking up at the scoreboard wondering how he lost his 2008 mojo.

Lidge needs to see a shrink and I'm not buying the he's "100% healthy" line anymore. It's total BS. He's mentally sick if he thinks he's pitching fine. Every time out there it's a goddamn adventure and he has zero confidence in his fastball and can no longer throw his slider for a strike. But I'm sure he's glad the checks still cash the same.

Mad Dog might be the answer in 2010 but if we want to win again this year it's not going to be with Lidge or Madison in the 9th. I can just see us losing a playoff series right now because of Lidge. I can actually visualize it and I've accepted it. And it hasn't even happened yet.

glad the cards are loading up with smoltz. great.

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