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Tuesday, April 14, 2009

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Responding to the previous thread:

It sure is slow around here ( and by slow I mean, not a lot to complain about) when a whole thread pretty much is used to determine whether RBI is the singular or plural form. and if it is singular, what then is the plural?

By the way, since I haven't been around in a few days. I am pretty sure I was one of the few around here that was Pro-ibanez from the beginning, when they decided he was a better option then Burrell. Also, the ONLY person to say he would hit 25-30 HR's this year.

Also, on a serious note. Very very sad about Harry the K. I will be attending friday's game to honor the truely best announcer in baseball IMO. What made Harry so enjoyable for me, was that he wasn't afraid of silence. Nothing was more comforting then being down the shore on a summers evening lsitening to the game on the radio with the ballpark noise in the backround.

Do we know how he died yet?

I read that the pre-season surgery was for his heart...

I hope they make the HK patches available for sale to the fans and donate all the proceeds to a charity or Phillies charities. I'd proudly have those sewn on each of my Phillies jerseys.

RJD: Cardiovascular disease. Plaque buildup in his arteries and around his heart.

pblunt: agreed, i would learn how to sew for that.

It still doesn't feel real...another sad day.

i wonder how many million people will show up to the park on sat afternoon

Continuing on the RBI topic, one could argue that SUV is the plural of SUV - V stands for vehicles, right? Why should we abbreviate sports utility vehicles as S(ports) U(tility) V(ehicle)s? Makes no more sense, by a certain crabbed logic, than SUVE for 'sports utility vehicle.' However, we sensibly say SUVs. Now, granted the plural noun in RBI is the R, the runs, so technically it should be R's B I, but I prefer to think of RBI as a pluralizable noun. Hence, RBIs.

I think all three are accepted: RBI, RBIs, ribbies.

Tom Brokaw used to say "WMD" and when he meant many he'd say "WMD." So the Times and the Post say "RBI" when they mean many and one.

Tray: Is that a real word(pluralizable),or did you just make that up?
My favorite is bank card PIN number. That would be-personal identification number number.

mvp - Ibanez has always been somewhat of a streaky power hitter. I have been pleasantly surprised by his power too so far but it is not like people were predicting he would going to hit 10-15 HRs.

Discussion really was 18-22 HRs vs. 25-30 HRs. If he hits 25+ HRs, than he likely will have a very nice season offensively and get pretty close to that 100 RBI mark but still fail short because he will hit a bunch in the 6 hole.

I made it up. I agree that "PIN number" is wrong. What's so hard about saying, "what's your PIN"?

Last point on Ibanez:

- Yeah he is faster than Burrell but he has also looked slow on the basepaths as advertised and limited defensively in the OF with poor range and shaky routes to balls.

My thoughts on Harry and what he meant to me as written in an email to a friend:

I did read your emails yesterday, but honestly I couldn't see through the
tears to write back. I watched specials on Harry all night until 2am.
I've been trying to find the words that made this so emotional for me and
I think I've figured it out.

It was the end, the day I finally put my own father to rest. In September
1997 Richie Ashburn passed away in a hotel after broadcasting a game
against the Mets. Three months later my dad passed away. I cried for
both, but today it really hit home for me.

By Saam was really the first announcer I remember and he's also in the
Hall of Fame. I remember listening to him when he was doing the A's games
and at the age I could appreciate baseball the A's left town and By became
the Phils announcer. Dad and I listened to him for 20 years and he passed
away in 2000.

Richie had passed, dad had passed, and By was gone, but I still had Harry.
The last living voice that bonded us together in our own little baseball
world. An era has ended, my last baseball connection to my father has
died and part of me died too.


Sincerely,

A wet, gray, sad day. Keep checking in here because I know there are going to be others who have similar feelings. Most non-baseball people, no disrespect intended, just don't get it.

Glad the Phils were able to pull that game out yesterday. Not a pretty one, but it just seems fitting that they did hang on and win. Also noticed the faces of the players after the game as they lined up to congratulate each other - no jiving around, rather a bunch of grim faces of people who had just finished a painful but neccessary job.

Anyway, I'm right there with the patches. I would sure have one sewn on my son's WFC Lidge jersey if they are available.

From the AP game notes of the Braves-Fish game: The Fish home game vs. Phils on Sept. 21st has been moved to July 16th(end of the All-Star break).

I always used RBI because the "runs" was the plural, and not the dangling preposition, "in". But, when I think about it, I also use H, HR, IP, and every other statistical abbreviation without resorting to adding an "s", even though Ryan Howard hit 58 HRs in '07, I think it's sufficient to say he had 58 HR, and 100gazillion RBI. If I add an "s" I consider it a typo.

ISn't that much more interesting than Harry Kalas? Of course not. What a goddam fvcking shame. I feel like I'm at a funeral whenever I click over here. A good funeral, mind you. Some great stuff posted.

I can't add anything of worth to what has already been said, so I won't try to be profound. Sitting on the back porch in the dark, drinking an iced tea or a beer, watching lightning bugs wink on and off, listening to Harry Kalas is a great memory and I'm glad many share it. I liked best the comment about the common ground that let you to talk to your dad while you listened to Kalas call the game. I've been mostly living with the memory of his voice since I moved a bit west 20 years ago. Can't get 1210 or WEEU out in the hills and valleys. Only time I ever got to hear him since was if I joined my dad by the tv or the radio on infrequent visits home.

I didn't have a radio in my bedroom when I was a kid but, I listened to the games on my dad's radio - with my ear to my bedroom wall, which was next to his room. He was a little hard of hearing, which was good for me. Kalas' voice was perfect for penetrating the sheet rock so I could hear whether Gene Garber or Tug McGraw got the last outs (or Ricky Bo when I was in my 20's, sleeping in my old bed on visits home).

I think the first time I can clearly recall hearing Kalas call a game was riding east on 422 in a big Buick station wagon when I was about 8. I was up past my bedtime. Nino Espinosa "STRUCKimoUT with a FASTtbaaaallll" a few times, I'm pretty sure. They were definitely playing hte Mets. I can still hear him recount snipets of that game and many others. Harry Kalas called every whiffle ball game I played before the age of 12. I, personally, did a great imitation of him once I hit puberty. I was more fond of the low key intros and banter with Ashburn than the big calls - I don't think I ever tried to do 'that ball is OUTTA HERE'. Kalas telling you that "Biff Pocoroba steps in hitting .191 . . . Lerch at the belt . . . he delivers, it's a fastball for a called strike." was what I liked. He kept you listening for the details, his clipped comments were freighted with the non-stop, minute drama of the game.

Did you know Nino Espinosa had 8 CG and 3 shut outs in '79, while recording a 14-12 record in his first year with the Phils? He led the NL in ER (107) in the previous year with the Mets. That guy cost us Richie Hebner, I assume after the signing of Pete Rose. I was too young (9) to know who the GM was but I would have loved to hear the BL reviews of that deal before the '79 season.

Hugh: I think Hebner was a gravedigger in the off-season. That would have made some great BL posts.

Indeed, goody.

Did you glean that info from the back of his Topps card? I can almost picture the little cartoon next to it, but it was a Pirates era card. I can't remember many of htose but, i'm pretty Garo Yepremian sold ties in the offseason. But, I digress.

When Whitey died, I called the ticket office first thing in the morn to get tickets to be at the park and pay my respects in appropriate style. I called early as I figured the tix would go fast. Still broken up on the phone, I apologized to the ticket girl and she told me it was ok as everybody was still in tears. I got to the Vet with my good Buddy and Kid to find out there were only, if I remember right, about 19,000 people on hand, and even though thousands and thousands showed up at the memorial, I couldn't help being really puzzled and disappointed with the amount of empty seats at the Vet that night. Well, it was a sad night that I was happy to have attended, and a night that I'll never forget even though I'm not sure about who won or for that matter, who the Phils even played that night. I'll be there Friday night, just like I was on Ring day when The K stole the show, bouncing out the first pitch, just like opening day, when he proudly introduced the World Champs and just like Game 5 where about an hour or so after the game, Harry the K lead the maybe 20-30 percent of the still remaining fans who hung around, in a course of High Hopes that the joyous crowd belted out proudly and loudly enough to make ole Blue Eyes smile. Be nice if Friday night, there isn't an empty seat or empty eye in the entire Park. As far as the K is concerned, I'm just not that sure I'm going to miss him as much I as originally thought. After spending maybe 200 days or nights a year with the man in my home or in my car for the last 38 years, he's kinda embedded a special permanent spot in my heart and brain. And I think for the rest of my life just as I do now, every time a Phils pitcher comes up with the big KO, if you get close enough, you'll always hear me bang out a Struck Em Out, Harry style.
Thanx K, RIP Buddy. Say hello to Whitey for me and you know I'll be hoisting a few for the both of yas.
One more thought. Was listening to yesterdays game, outside, in my back yard on a TV I have inside a enclosed Tiki Bar. When Victorino hit his HR, I ran into the TV as I just knew he would have to dedicate that one to Harry. I watched him round the bases and was disappointed to not see any, that is, till a few minutes later when they finally brought it up and showed the replay of his Sign of the Cross and Point to the Booth that proved me right. Shaner, from one of your first row guys behind you, you are and always will be one class act Brother. I feel better now.

Hugh: Just from memory,which isn't too good at times. I was never too big on baseball cards,couldn't afford them.

Fungooli,

Thanks for that post.

thefightins.com posted a picture of part of Vic's tribute here:

http://www.thefightins.com/meechone/shane-victorino-points-to-the-booth-after-his-home-run/

I have never been a grave digger but, I have been colder than a well digger's ass.

I'm amazed that my comment on RBI/RBIs has resulted in as much discussion as it has. BL never ceases to impress!

I'm really enjoying everyone's Kalas reminiscings. It's no wonder: so many of our baseball memories are intertwined with Kalas. Just about all of them for me, except maybe for those games on PRISM way back when. We're all so lucky we had - and I say this quite objectively - the best baseball announcer in the world bringing those games to us. I would argue that Philadelphia deserved nothing less.

The trivia questions...I used to do that back-and-forth with my friends so long ago. "Good guess...incorrect, however." "You're kidding." "Nope." How graciously and naturally he would always chat with the opposing players on "Star of the Game". Listening under the covers. Juan Samuel ties the game off Todd Worrell with 2 outs in the 9th with a 2-run double after the Phils had been shut out all night to that point. Tension: Sammy's fouling off pitches, hanging in there, I'm hoping I don't get caught with that red power light on my Walkman showing under the covers. I still remember that call, that elation, trying not to cheer and yell along with him.

I read Paul Hagen's article on kalas' youth today and I learned something that I'd never known: Harry used to call games he'd play in his room with cards, dice, and a spinner. I couldn't believe it. I used to do the exact same thing when I was the same age - except that I did it in Harry's voice.

I know I've said so much, on all of these threads, about Kalas and how much he meant. Every post I read brings to mind something else I want to say. Feel free to skip over these endless posts of you want, but I have so much to express about the profound effect the man had on me. Just like the post-season run caused last year, I'm seeing my whole baseball life flash before my eyes. I reckon most of you understand.

Great, great personal anecdotes especially from people who rarely post or haven't ever posted.

Really enjoyed reading them more than the stuff I have generally seen on Comcast or in the Inquirer/Daily News.


Maybe they should play audio of an "That ball's ouuttta heerree!" every time the Phils hit a HR at CBP, just before they turn on the Liberty Bell noise?

RSB, the game was All-Star Baseball, it came with two HOF teams, one from the NL and one from the AL. The player cards were round and you set them on a cardboard spindle and spun. The card was divided up by a players "tendencies", thus Ruth had the largest portion on the HR. Like Harry I did my own cards of the 1959 Phils, bad choice of years, but my team did great. I must have overestimated.

Strat-O-Matic and APBA ultimately became my games in the early 60's and into the 70's. I rememeber my sis and I announcing together the games of the 1962 teams. I kept all the stats...all I remember is that Willie Mays and Jim Gentile won the HR crowns in our version of 1962.

I met Harry only once and that after the passing of Whitey. I had done DreamWeek from '93 to '97 and that's how I met Richie. He'd come out to the Carpenter Complex and hang around and chat with the guys who only wished they had his talent. I met Harry at Jack Russell in '98 or '99 when I went to spring training.

I can't remember meeting a more gracious man. I told him my last words to Whitey were "Thank You" after one of the banquets and I wanted to say thank you to him. We got to talk about DreamWeek, who my managers were, and I told him my first was Larry Bowa. He asked me how'd that go? I told him, when Larry got our team together for the first time he said, "We're not here to have fun, if we win we'll have fun." He just smiled. I went on to add, he never picked me again.

We talked about the guys that I did make a connection with; Pat Corrales, Mel Roberts, Kelly Heath, Don McCormack, Bill Dancy and like everyone has said, he had a good word to say for each of them. He was simply an amazing man.

As RSB said, the memories just keep coming back and I'm sorry. I just feel the need to share right now. I'm so happy that so many of you feel the same.


RSB, the game was All-Star Baseball, it came with two HOF teams, one from the NL and one from the AL. The player cards were round and you set them on a cardboard spindle and spun. The card was divided up by a players "tendencies", thus Ruth had the largest portion on the HR. Like Harry I did my own cards of the 1959 Phils, bad choice of years, but my team did great. I must have overestimated.

Strat-O-Matic and APBA ultimately became my games in the early 60's and into the 70's. I rememeber my sis and I announcing together the games of the 1962 teams. I kept all the stats...all I remember is that Willie Mays and Jim Gentile won the HR crowns in our version of 1962.

I met Harry only once and that after the passing of Whitey. I had done DreamWeek from '93 to '97 and that's how I met Richie. He'd come out to the Carpenter Complex and hang around and chat with the guys who only wished they had his talent. I met Harry at Jack Russell in '98 or '99 when I went to spring training.

I can't remember meeting a more gracious man. I told him my last words to Whitey were "Thank You" after one of the banquets and I wanted to say thank you to him. We got to talk about DreamWeek, who my managers were, and I told him my first was Larry Bowa. He asked me how'd that go? I told him, when Larry got our team together for the first time he said, "We're not here to have fun, if we win we'll have fun." He just smiled. I went on to add, he never picked me again.

We talked about the guys that I did make a connection with; Pat Corrales, Mel Roberts, Kelly Heath, Don McCormack, Bill Dancy and like everyone has said, he had a good word to say for each of them. He was simply an amazing man.

As RSB said, the memories just keep coming back and I'm sorry. I just feel the need to share right now. I'm so happy that so many of you feel the same.

sorry about the lengthy double post, if it shows up again, ban me :)

Great posts, RSB. I think everyone here is on the same page. I'd totally forgotten about All-Star Baseball. I also remember Babe Ruth had a huge space for home runs on his disk. Wish I had that game now...

Watching Jim Bunning's perfect game with my Dad. All-StarBaseball. Scratchy radios and late night broadcasts on a warm summer night. Much, much more. All great memories. And Harry is part of that.

pete rose is the man

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