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Saturday, March 14, 2009

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I listened to some of the game on radio. Franzke and Andersen were complimentary of Carpenter.

Michael Bourn is lost at the plate. In other news, water is wet, grass is green, and snow is cold.

Stairs continues to hit given the chances. If not for Jenkins' albatross of a contract, my bet is that Stairs would make this team as the left-handed bat off the bench and not Jenkins. Stairs may look like a guy who plays in a beer league but the man simply hits RHP and has very strong numbers as a PH option the last 3 seasons.

With Dobbs and Stairs on the bench, the Phils would have 2 excellent options against right-handed relievers.

Its funny that a guy like Jenkins in his career has gotten alot more attention/notoriety/credit/money than Stairs even though Stairs was a better hitter at his peak and has been through out his career.

I also like Stairs' bat better than Jenkins'. But, even if money were no object (which is clearly NOT the case), I think Jenkins would still get the roster spot over Stairs because Jenkins is a pretty decent defensive outfielder, whereas Stairs is terrible.

BAP - I would have have a 5th OF who is solid defensively and could play CF if needed. Phils just don't have that guy.

There is a good interview with Ed Wade linked off of MLBTradeRumors.com. The most interesting thing he said was that the Phillies were very aggressive in going after Brad Lidge. He also admitted he could have gotten Cliff Lee for Lidge. Granted, no one figured Lee would win the Cy Young award, but I don't know if I'd go around admitting that if I was Wade. Hats off to the Phils management to being aggressive and getting the deal done on Lidge cause we wouldn't be WFC without him.

Team USA was humiliated tonight. They called mercy rule. I think the WBC is kind of lame, but still, I'd like to see the USA have a better showing, especially if 2 of our own are going to be wasting precious ST time playing in said games.

Werth hits a homer? Does that mean that he's now healthy?

"It's funny that a guy like Jenkins, over his career has gotten a lot more attention/noteriety/credit/money than Stairs even though Stairs was the better hitter at thei peaks and throughout their careers."

It's not that funny. Jenkins should have gotten more money/attention/noteriety because he has been the better PLAYER throughout their careers.

Whether Jenkins or Stairs has had a better career might stir up lots of convoluted argument. Their average numbers are kinda close. What we should note, however, is that in their brief sojourns in Philadelphia both have shown somewhat "outlier" performances. Last year was Jenkins first season under 100 OPS+ since his rookie year (and he fell under it by quite a bit). Stairs very small sample size OPS+ 155 (for Philadelphia) is not indicative of his performance in any comeplete season.

It may be that Jenkins, at 34, will outperform Stairs at 41 this year. (It does sound, from the report above, like the grizzled old man's got some gas in the tank.) (Or a strong desire to get pounded in...naaaahhh; not goin' there.)

Loqiel -
In Summer and fall in California, the grass is a yellowy brown. In very cold areas, one of the best ways to keep warm is to bury yourself in snow because it is significantly less cold than the surrounding environment. Since "wet" is the condition of being liquid and in two of it's three states water is not a liquid, water is not, inherently, wet.

Michael Bourn is, however, lost at the plate.

The WBC pisses me off. We don't even have our best possibly roster out there by any means, and most of these players are rusty from the offseason. I'd love the WBC to be played at the conclusion of the MLB season instead of during spring training.

Stairs has been the better offensive player and Jenkins the better defensive player throughout their careers. Jenkins also had more speed. But the offense difference isn't much (118 vs. 113 OPS+) and it's mostly due to OB since Jenkins has the higher career SLG. I think SLG is slightly more valuable than OB.

Conclusion: Jenkins has offered better value for his career IMHO.

MG: If the starter is RHP, why should Dobbs be on the bench?

Lauber sez today's lineup is...

2B Chase Utley
CF Jayson Werth
DH Greg Dobbs
1B Ryan Howard
LF Raul Ibanez
3B Pedro Feliz
RF Geoff Jenkins
SS Jason Donald
C Carlos Ruiz

clout - I agree with the assessment. It would seem especially true if one views with appropriate skepticism the numbers posted by Stairs during his Oakland sojourn.

"Jenkins has offered better value (than Stairs) for his career."

Brilliant deduction.
A 3.5 tool former All-star has better value than a 1 tool journeyman.

"Conclusion: Jenkins has offered better value for his career IMHO."

Lol! As if clout ever had a moment of humility in his life.

So, some BLers whined all off season about the injuries to Feliz and Utley, the loss of Burrell, blah, blah.

I predicted that the Phils will be more productive offensively this season than last. With inflated opinions of themselves, some BLers told me how wrong I was.

I stand by my prediction. Are any of those who disagreed earlier ready to man up now and change their disagreement, or will I have to teach them a less for disagreeing with me by ridiculing them with stats once the season is over?

Phlipper: Its a prediction, I dont see how you can get all upset that people dont agree with your prediction. at the end of 2009, if you were right, then you can post the "i told you so" that you apparrently crave, but until then just make your prediction and leave it be.

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Fair enough, thephaithful - except it wasn't simply a matter of people voicing disagreeing opinions - it was that some BLers confuse their opinions with statements of facts.

Mikes77: By calling Stairs a "1-tool journeyman," you merely confirm MG's original point: the perception about Stairs is not the reality.


Stairs is/was not a 1-tool journeyman. His career OBP, as well as OPS, are both better than Jenkins'. Then again, that's mostly because of Stairs' ability to draw walks, and we know how much value you attach to drawing walks.

Any Ed Wade sightings?

Phlipper: What's happened so far that I would anyone would change their mind?

Anyway, you never really understand what the whole Ibanez/Burrell debate was about. Not about offensive production this year. It's that the team is paying a much older guy more money for longer years for very similar offensive production. Does that make sense to you?

Records are made to be broken, but there are some that appear downright unbreakable. Dimmagio's 56-game hitting streak. Cy Young's 511 career wins. Chief Wilson's 36 triples in a season.


I have my own new nominee for the world's most unbreakable record: the record that phlipper just set for the most premature "I told you so" in the history of humankind.

BAP said, "Mikes77: By calling Stairs a "1-tool journeyman," you merely confirm MG's original point: the perception about Stairs is not the reality. Stairs is/was not a 1-tool journeyman."
His career OBP, as well as OPS, are both better than Jenkins'. Then again, that's mostly because of Stairs' ability to draw walks, and we know how much value you attach to drawing walks."

LOL. FYI...

Tools:
1.Hitting for Power
2.Hitting dor average
3.Speed
4.Defense
5.Throwing

Thanks BAP, for inventing a new tool to the game of Baseball.

Well, you sure settled that debate, mikes77. You're right. It is absolutely inconceivable that there could be any aspect of the game which is important, other than the "5 tools" which are encompassed in the trite expression "5-tool player."

Hitting for average should probably be changed to getting on base, which in that case would make Stairs a two tool guy. Just nitpicking at this point tho, but i think Stairs has been one of the more "one dimensional" players in the league. Nothing wrong with that when you do that one thing well tho.

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20090315/SPORTS01/903150366/1021


This is an interesting article. Joe Sheehan, at Baseball Prospectus, apparently does not share Phlipper's view that it was perfectly ok to replace Burrell with a left-hander.

Jack: Trying to teach sense to flipper is like trying to teach a Rhinoceros the Tango.

BAP said "It is absolutely inconceivable that there could be any aspect of the game which is important, other than the "5 tools"

Who said that? I never said that.

You said, Stairs was not a 1 tool journeyman.

You were wrong.

He is the definition of a 1 tool journeyman. Move on.

I think I see mikes77's problem. He understands tools, but has no knowledge of skills (i.e. getting on base, knowing how to steal a base or take an extra base, fielding range, throwing accuracy etc.)

Greg Golson has 4 tools: speed, power, defense, throwing. I guess that makes him a better player than Albert Pujols, who only has 3 tools (hitting for average, hitting for power, defense).

Jack - if the Phils have better offensive production this year than last, I really don't care about the fiscal wisdom of Ibanez's contract.

On the whole, the Phils look pretty good payroll-wise going forward. They'll have the flexibility to make moves in the future that can't be anticipated at this point. I wouldn't want to trade-off better short-term production for an unknown speculation about what their payroll issues will be in one or two years. Ibanez's contract will not make a huge difference in the long run.

Besides, given their relative histories health-wise, I don't see that much of a trade-off between Ibanez and Burrell. Ibanez is, apparently, a stud, and Burrell had to be protected healthwise - necessitating depleting the bench (at least as far as Cholly is concerned)

BAP - I think that article is pretty casual about dismissing better production against 2/3 of the league's starters as a balance against the downside of dealing with lefty relievers. That's not to say that the problem against LH relievers isn't important - but that it is part of an equation that has a corresponding upside. I agree with the article that trying to evaluate the balance of that equation statistically is incredibly complicated.

BAP, said "Greg Golson has 4 tools: speed, power, defense, throwing. I guess that makes him a better player than Albert Pujols, who only has 3 tools (hitting for average, hitting for power, defense)."

Dumbest post ever.

Another guy who can't admit when he is wrong, so he posts additional non-sense to throw attention elsewhere. As if to divert attention from his origunal Dumb comment.

Yo new thread. Utley returns.

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