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And he's bitter as well. What a combo.

This will certainly be a blemish on Gillick's resume. Eaton just never had the head for MLB. Seemed to have good stuff at times but had no command of it--and as soon as things started to go south for him on the mound, he would totally unravel. If there's an antidote to Brad Lidge from this season (i.e. whenever things started to look bad, he would reach back and find that one or two pitches he needed), it would be called Adam Eaton.

EFF: Bitter? Sounds pretty realistic in that quote. It's not like he should be doing cartwheels. Are there other more bitter quotes in the article?

I remember the comparisons to Chris Carpenter around here when we first signed Eaton.

Simply put, he was an extreme flyball pitcher who put up OK numbers in the league's far and away best pitcher's park. It didn't take anyone much to realize that it was a horrible choice to sign him.

Which was worse, Eaton or Silva's deal? Silva was for longer and more money (4yr $44mil) but he at least looks like he warrants a roster spot. Not a very high one, but nonethless a spot. I think you could trade Silva and eat all but $1 million of his deal whereas Eaton you can't even do that.

I would just like to rejoice aloud that the last post I made will be my most remembered....for it FINALLLLLLLY triggered the comment form to remember my info! Watch out NEPP, maybe now I can challenge your heralded post per minute record! haha, well maybe not.

Wow, I hate Adam Eaton even more now. No talk of rededicating himself to his chosen profession. Just, "um, hey, um GMs, um, I'm going to get released, so don't waste your time showing any interest in me. Let the Phillies pick up the rest of my contract and then I'll sign with you for the minimum." Adam Eaton: Douche-tacular grande.

Did you know that in exchange for Eaton the Rangers gave the Padres Adrian Gonzalez and Chris Young? Incredible.

well the important part "obviously" is that eaton got the WS ring he so richly deserved.

well the important part "obviously" is that eaton got the WS ring he so richly deserved.

at least adam eaton "obviously" got the WS ring he so richly deserved.

Silva merits a roster spot? he's incredibly awful. maybe marginally better than Eaton, but the only reason he hasn't been sent down to the minors is that Seattle is just terrible.

NEPP: Back to our PED/HOF/Tejada debate, you claimed that "they should just keep them all out."

Who were you referring to? Anyone who has tested positive? Anyone who's named was mentioned in the Mitchell report? Anyone who someone once said something about? Anyone you think may have taken them because they were on a team with others who did? Where do you draw the line?

Also, Mike C: Tejada did not plead guilty to lying to congress about taking steroids himself. He lied about a teammate taking steroids. Huge difference there. This is what is dangerous about the steroid witchhunt. A lot of people probably don't pay enough attention, and all of a sudden it's just assumed that Tejada pled guilty to using steroids. Not the case at all.

They should keep out anyone who should be proven to have done steroids...I don't know how to go about doing that. Releasing those 103 names would be a start.

I'd much rather see Pete Rose in the HoF than a guy who juiced. At least Pete didnt cheat on the field...even if he did bet on the game.

oh, there are my posts. took them a few minutes to show up. i guess i have to contribute something topic-related here then...oh..err...what do we think the odds are that eaton is pitching for the riversharks some time after his contract is up?

Screw Adam Eaton.

Adam Eaton vs. Carlos Silva sucky pitcher smackdown!

2008 ERA+
Eaton 75
Silva 65

Bad as he was, Eaton was better than Silva.

"cheat on the field"

Hmmmm....
Interesting reason here. Does cheating on the field include throwing spitballs? What about stealing signs? Leaving the basepaths to take out a defender? What about deliberately running into the path of a throw?

Meanwhile, by that logic, Ciccote and Jackson should be immediately admitted, right? They didn't cheat; in fact, the accusation is that they did the opposite of cheating on the field (though little evidence exists that the Shoeless one actually understood the mechanics of throwing a game).

Screw Adam Eaton.

NEPP - Thanks for the kind offer; I'll pass.

@jack -- you are right. mis-read the headlines and first paragraphs of the espn stories... you have to go 12 paragraphs deep to understand what Tejada was actually charged with.

He did admit however to purchasing HGH. (although he said he threw it away and never used them.) Of course this guy just admitted he lied.

So maybe those shots to Palmeiro were B12 all along.

Eaton's impact on the market was felt last off-season when Lohse thought he could get more the 3/$21M and ended up working for slave wages w/ STL. That worked out pretty well.

Eaton is unbelievable. The Phillies ask him would he rather pitch in the instructional league or go home during the 1st round of the playoffs. He says it was a "loaded question". As if there was only one answer he could give. I am very curious to know if his teamates think he is a jerk.

He always had a sense of entitlement about him in my honest opinion. I think he could have done more, who knows they might have picked up a flaw or something in the Flda Instructional league he refused to goto. And now he says he would refuse another minor league assignment? As if some other team would put him on the MLB roster. His number actually got worse when he went down last year.

He always had a sense of entitlement about him in my honest opinion. I think he could have done more, who knows they might have picked up a flaw or something in the Flda Instructional league he refused to goto. And now he says he would refuse another minor league assignment? As if some other team would put him on the MLB roster. His number actually got worse when he went down last year.

I think some of you guys are going a bit overboard with Eaton. He is what he is. Seems like an ok guy to me and I've heard he's a decent guy, though obviously, not a good pitcher.

The most bizarre thing is that anyone expected much at all from Eaton. He hadn't had an ERA+ above 90 in 4 years when he signed. I recall posting when his name came up as a possibility that he was near the bottom of all active pitchers with more than 100 career starts in IP per start.

That shows how desperate the Phils were for a starter after dealing Lidle and letting Wolf walk. Of course, the next thing they did that off-season was trade for Freddy Garcia.

My opinion of Adam Eaton would vastly improve if he simply stated the obvious: "I stink, and I apologize to the Phillies ownership for robbing them."

Wow, nice to see Eaton has such a high opinion of himself. I agree with Beerleaguer. Even the worst team in baseball will be better off handing the ball to their minor leaguers than handing it to Eaton!

doubleh - a blemish on Gillick?!? Scoreboard. Pat Gillick and Paul Owens are now the only two GMs in 125 seasons who were able to bring the Phillies a World Championship. Here's hoping Ruben Amaro becomes the third!

As for Eaton, the only value his all around suckiness brought us was giving the sometimes vicious Philly press someone to pick on instead of the players that actually helped win, like the rest of the team....

Let me tell you, the only place Adam Eaton will be pitching next year is in the Atlantic League for the Lancaster Barnstormers!

Verdeforce: Every GM has a few moves they've made that they'd like a mulligan on. I didn't say Gillick was a bad GM; as a matter of fact, he's one of the best in the business. But Eaton was not a good move.

And I think winning the championship has a lot more to do with the players on the field than anything a GM or coach does. They still have to play the games.

So how does it work for "established" major league player? Can Eaton refuse a minor league assignment and still get paid the full value of his contract?

In other news, did everyone see/hear/read that Ryan Howard lost 20 lbs?

Let the Subway diet cracks commence.

good riddance!

doubleh - a blemish on Gillick's resume??? The guy is bullet proof 3 world series and a seattle team that won more than 110 games? you look at the body of work not individual signings. i hated signings like werth, dobbs, etc. as boring but ... wow! so many value village guys are awesome and just wait until workman, drabek, etc. are in our rotation. Gillick's impact will be felt positively for a long time.

Eaton, played to many video games and was lazy. Sure wont miss Wheels saying - "he is a great athlete" - hey Chris the guy is an awful pitcher. i hope he blew all his money, love to hear that bum was in the poor house...

Saying I can't point to a bad signing or 2 on a GM's resume just because his teams won the WS 3x is akin to saying that just because the Phils are WFC somehow Feliz is immune to criticism.

I used the wrong word with blemish--perhaps too strong--but I think it's OK to say this signing s*cked from the get go.

"Sucked from the get-go" pretty much sums up everything there is to say about the Adam Eaton signing. There are moves that look good at the time, but don't work out (i.e., Freddy Garcia, So Taguchi, Geoff Jenkins). And then there are signings that looked as bad at the time they were made as they do in retrospect. Eaton falls into this latter category.

I was thrilled with the Eaton signing, if for no other reason than to wash the bad taste out of the Andy Ashy (typical Ed Wade trade where you overpay for a pitcher in his FA year) I also wanted the Phils to reaquire Silva. Shows what a terrible GM I'd make. I have an affection for those homegrown players to a fault. But I never really saw much of Eaton because he only pitched a couple of games toward the end of his only season at AA Reading. It's a shame it didn't work out.

I am actually going to take the ultimate devil's advocate position here and defend the Eaton signing in these aspects (a stretch but here I go:

1. Eaton actually was at least an average pitcher until he hurt his middle finger on his right hand. Injuried the finger more severely in 2006 with the Rangers, went on the 60-day DL, and was never the same pitcher again really.

2. Eaton's deal at the time was about market standard - 3 yrs, $7-$9M/range. If anything, the Phils desperately needed starting pitching.

What kept them out of the playoffs in 2006 was the poor pitching stats they got from the 4/5 spots in the rotation. The Madson/Floyd experiment that year coming out of spring training completely backfired as both guys got lite up and it contributed largely to yet another piss-poor start in April.

The rotation only really solidified after the Phils got Moyer late in the season (which is still arguably one of Gillick's 3 best moves) and Wolf came back to give the Phils at least a warm body to take the hill every 5 days.

Plus, there wasn't exactly a ton of ready pitching prospects either in the system including the likes of Castro, Segovia, etc. Phils had to dip all season during 2006 from the minors to try and stop-gap the rotation including calling up Hamels and Mathieson.

3. Garcia trade was still worse from the fact of what the Phils gave up in Floyds and Gonzalez (2 guys who might be turn about to both be at least average or better MLB starters) and the fact that the Phils were just completely duped by Williams and then tried their ridiculous series of denials about how teams don't insist on a physical by their own physician before completing a trade which is 100% BS/utter nonsense.

If anything, people may bitch more about the Abreu deal or the Eaton signing but the Garcia deal was still the worst move that Gillick made during his tenure. He and the Phils clearly got sold a fraudulent bill of goods and then tried to weakly deny/cover up that they didn't cover themselves before the trade by having him get an independent physical.

Howard loses weight

gonna bat .285 and hit 50+ HR

and improved defense
He's on a mission

spitz: "So how does it work for "established" major league player? Can Eaton refuse a minor league assignment and still get paid the full value of his contract?"

Yes.

doubleh: Attempting a rational conversation with slocs is like trying to teach your cat to do the Macarena.

MG: Excellent post on the state of affairs post-season 2006.

Phils needed pitching, but wouldn't pay for the top FAs that year, which meant dipping into the second tier guys and that was a bad off-season for pitching. As I recall the only halfway decent second tier guy available at the time was Padilla and you knew they weren't going to sign him.

Your assessment of the Garcia trade is also correct. Clearly that move was far more damaging to the team than signing Eaton and, depending on the careers Floyd and Gio have, perhaps even worse than the Abreu trade. The irony here is that dumping Abreu gave them the money to sign Eaton and pay Garcia's $10M salary.

MG: Which raises an interesting question. Had the Phils never dealt Abreu & Lidle, and thus never signed Eaton or traded Gio & Floyd away for Garcia, what would their record have been in 2006, 2007, 2008?

While on the subject of pitching cerca 2006:

- Who in their right minds thought the Phils when the Phils' acquired Moyer that their was a possibility that the he might make over 100 starts in a Phils' uniform (and a possibility that he will end up with near 20% of his career starts in a Phils' uniform)?

Clout - I think you and I agree that the Phils would have likely would have made the playoffs in '06 as the WC. Meant they would have played the Cards in the 1st round and my bet is the likely would have lost a tight series because Cards just got hot at the right time.

As for the 2006/07 offseason, I bet the Phils would have made mostly the same moves again including signing Nunez, Helms, Barajas, Werth, Dobbs, and Eaton. The only difference is that the Phils likely wouldn't have had the cash free to trade for Garcia but no reason why they wouldn't have made the rest of the moves or very similar moves. Still would have had questions at C, 3B, bench, and the rotation.

So basically I bet the Phils would have made basically the same moves during the 06/07 offseason if they had kept Abreu and Lidle. Only major difference in 2007 would have been that the Donut Eater would have opened the season in the rotation in place of Garcia and the Phils would have gone for another Value Village journeyman to round out the bullpen.

The reality is that for all of the bitching that goes on with the Abreu trade, I doubt it really would have made things play out all that differently during the '06 and '07 seasons. Phils likely missed the '06 playoffs because of the trade and still would have had a pretty weak pitching staff during '07.

Howard says he's lost 20 pounds and feels FAST!
On the HR talk of last thread, when Ruth hit 60 HR, most other TEAMS didn't hit 60.

The sign is unmistakable, hanging as it does right above the portal connecting the clubhouse at the Mets' minor league facility to the wide green fields beyond. It is also terribly ironic, if you're looking for a kind way to put it.

Or pathetic, if you aren't so concerned about niceties.

"Through these doors pass the best players in baseball."

As one artful practitioner of gallows humor observed yesterday, spying the sign: "I didn't realize we were in Clearwater."

NY Post: Bad Sign

'Great 100 word post MG. Thanks. I think I agree with everyting you say , clout.'
Its great to see two people in love.

The article is continued today. My favorite part -

But he'll still wear the World Series ring he will receive from the Phillies in April.

"Why wouldn't I?" Eaton said. "Did I not contribute [during the season] to get there? There are a lot of people who get them who didn't compete in the World Series."

Good Morning!

Pitchers and catchers report today, and I feel fine.

Is it wrong to feel some optimism as we reach this point that maybe I won't have to see Manny this year? Is it even possible?He's such a boor.

Have a great day! Go Phillies!

****"Why wouldn't I?" Eaton said. "Did I not contribute [during the season] to get there? There are a lot of people who get them who didn't compete in the World Series."****

Um, no Adam, you didn't help them get there. You actually cost them games over the course of the season. Must be a nice fantasy world he lives in with lots of pretty little pills.

On Howard losing weight: Did anyone else get the brief picture of Howard as Willie Mays Hayes from Major League?

"I got 50 pairs of these gloves...1 for every base I'm gonna steal" -Ryan Howard in ST 09

"Ryan, with your speed you should be hitting the ball on the ground." -Charlie Manual


mikes77: Now, now. If you had the same intelligence and insight that MG and several other posters here have, I'd be praising your posts as well. I come here to learn and a number of posters keep me coming back. Obviously, if this board were a collection of posters like yourself, I would've been gone years ago.

Been busy the last 24 hrs, but I'll weigh in on Eaton:
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The Phillies' FO will be Eaton Crap in 2009 regardless of where he plays.

9,000,000 helpings of it.

Clout:

"MG: Which raises an interesting question. Had the Phils never dealt Abreu & Lidle, and thus never signed Eaton or traded Gio & Floyd away for Garcia, what would their record have been in 2006, 2007, 2008?"

The even bigger question is would Lidle still be alive?? Deep stuff..

I'm confident that Lidle would have been able to hit a skyscraper in Philly just as easily as he did in NYC.

NEPP, malo, malo, MALO!!!

Yo, new thread

Bye Adam

Glad to see you leave Mr Eaton. The only time i wish to see your name again is on a Bernie Maddoff investor list. I guess there was something to it when you weren't invited to the WS parade????????

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