So on Carpenter: Did they just pull a name out of a hat? I guess the silver lining as mentioned in the other thread is that there is unlikely to be any advance scouting on Carpenter and he has been pitching well. He's also now eligible for the PS roster
NEPP: He and Benson were the only two options at AA and AAA for guys who could pitch multiple innings. Everyone else has pitched too recently. If they brought up Benson, they wouldn't have been able to option him down after today. They can do that with Carpenter.
NEPP: Certainly not out of a hat. He and Benson were seemingly the only two options because other candidates (like Happ) had recently pitched. This was both Carpenter's and Benson's day to start. Benson, however, would have needed to stay on the active roster because he has no options while Carpenter can be sent down.
Well, I kinda hope they don't have to use him as that means we're likely being blown out. Either way...IIRC from Spring Training he does have decent stuff when he's on and he's been pitching alright lately. Surprised they didn't go with Walrond again ~shudders~
They should have the CBP scoreboard have the Mets leading 5-0 at the start of the game so that the Phils will think it's time to begin their "comeback". Maybe they can actually take an early lead on the Mets for once.
That's a shame though - if they shift Delgado (like most other teams do) then Utley makes that play easily and the run doesn't score.
Maybe I'm nit-picking and I know Reyes was on 2nd and could have stolen third in that situation, but I just would have hoped that Utley would have been a little deeper in the hole where Delgado consistently hits it..
Comment by huge_mets_fan11
2008-08-27 19:03:35
Here’s a story us Mets fans will like:
My teacher is the agent for a pitcher with Phils. There was one game this year where this pitcher was making his debut and it was against the Mets. The guy is a lefty who was facing Delgado and they was a meeting on the mound to decide how to pitch to Delgado. Utley came in saying “Pitch him inside! He tips pitches! Pitch him inside!” Then the pitching coach says to the pitcher “Eh, don’t listen to him, he always says that because (Utley) tips pitches all the time.” So there is another thing to hate about Chase Utley.
Just to let everyone know I made that HR possible by benching Howard on my fantasy team ('The Team to Beat') for the first time this year. The Reverse-TTB jinx.
NEPP: Well then, guess I should have put a tongue-in-cheek icon after what I wrote. I'm clearly poking fun at the Mets' announcers who in the face of statistical evidence and last night's 8 scoreless innings by the Mets offense continue to perpetrate their mindless yammering about how CBP is a "bandbox"
i laugh at the bandbox comments. opposing teams hitters in cbp have the same advantage as anyone, same goes for the pitchers. the mets and their fans are the worst at it. they honestly act like they dont hit in cbp, and the phils pitchers arent affected by the parks size.
Kendrick needs to throw some low strikes, now. Get the groundballs. You cannot afford to let them get baserunners on here and get back into this game right away.
kk doing what he does best, lucking is way to a W haha. He gives up hits all day and falls behind regularly but finds ways to get away with the W - most of the time.
slocs-No way should we mess with our starting rotation right now. Blanton's been decent enough and we're too close to winning this thing to trust someone from AAA against the Cubs.
I have to say .. that commentary by Sarge about a CF using where the pitch was to gauge whether or not to come in on a popup hit right at you: It was really good info! More of that kind of stuff, Sarge! He's on a roll.
Clout, please explain to me, using statistics, how Kendrick is a good pitcher. He's getting away with a ton, because of Victorino's stellar play, and the general lack of baseball know-how displayed pretty much every second by the Mets.
Hope Kendrick can get you into the 6th if possible but I would also have the bullpen up and ready to go in the 6th at the first sign of trouble (Are you listening Cholly?).
Let's go Phils!
Posted by: CJ | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 06:14 PM
Can it please, please, please just be 7:05 so I can watch some Phillies? I'm more excited about this game than any other I can remember.
Posted by: JMS | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 06:19 PM
So on Carpenter: Did they just pull a name out of a hat? I guess the silver lining as mentioned in the other thread is that there is unlikely to be any advance scouting on Carpenter and he has been pitching well. He's also now eligible for the PS roster
Posted by: NEPP | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 06:23 PM
NEPP: He and Benson were the only two options at AA and AAA for guys who could pitch multiple innings. Everyone else has pitched too recently. If they brought up Benson, they wouldn't have been able to option him down after today. They can do that with Carpenter.
Posted by: Brian G | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 06:28 PM
Okay...that makes sense.
You gotta feel for Benson though...this pretty much says that he may never pitch in the majors again...at least not this year. Shoulder injuries suck.
Posted by: NEPP | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 06:31 PM
NEPP: Certainly not out of a hat. He and Benson were seemingly the only two options because other candidates (like Happ) had recently pitched. This was both Carpenter's and Benson's day to start. Benson, however, would have needed to stay on the active roster because he has no options while Carpenter can be sent down.
Posted by: CJ | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 06:35 PM
NEPP: I have a feeling Benson will be up with the team after Sept. 1st.
Posted by: CJ | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 06:36 PM
Well, I kinda hope they don't have to use him as that means we're likely being blown out. Either way...IIRC from Spring Training he does have decent stuff when he's on and he's been pitching alright lately. Surprised they didn't go with Walrond again ~shudders~
Posted by: NEPP | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 06:39 PM
They should have the CBP scoreboard have the Mets leading 5-0 at the start of the game so that the Phils will think it's time to begin their "comeback". Maybe they can actually take an early lead on the Mets for once.
Posted by: brother | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 06:56 PM
Anybody know where I can find video of Myers' at bat last night?
Posted by: strange | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:00 PM
Good God that's a lefty-heavy lineup. Uh oh.
Posted by: Iceman | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:06 PM
strange: I missed it too and would also love to see it. If somebody can post a link that would be great!
Posted by: philsphan | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:06 PM
I can't find Myers' AB video anywhere. I'm dying to see that again.
Posted by: JMS | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:07 PM
Reyes reminds me of Jimmy '07 --seemingly starts every game with a hit.
Posted by: curt | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:14 PM
Whatever. Reyes always scores in the first inning.
Posted by: JMS | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:17 PM
Hmmm... trailing the Mets... imagine that. Guess they needed to be behind to come back.
Posted by: CJ | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:17 PM
Big test for KK tonight since he faces only one righty (David Wright) in the entire lineup. There are also three switch hitters.
Posted by: CJ | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:19 PM
That's a shame though - if they shift Delgado (like most other teams do) then Utley makes that play easily and the run doesn't score.
Maybe I'm nit-picking and I know Reyes was on 2nd and could have stolen third in that situation, but I just would have hoped that Utley would have been a little deeper in the hole where Delgado consistently hits it..
Posted by: diggitydave | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:20 PM
If there's any upside in this stacked lineup it's that Easley & Tatis are sitting.
Posted by: curt | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:20 PM
curt-JRoll agrees with you
Posted by: JMS | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:20 PM
Interesting:
Comment by huge_mets_fan11
2008-08-27 19:03:35
Here’s a story us Mets fans will like:
My teacher is the agent for a pitcher with Phils. There was one game this year where this pitcher was making his debut and it was against the Mets. The guy is a lefty who was facing Delgado and they was a meeting on the mound to decide how to pitch to Delgado. Utley came in saying “Pitch him inside! He tips pitches! Pitch him inside!” Then the pitching coach says to the pitcher “Eh, don’t listen to him, he always says that because (Utley) tips pitches all the time.” So there is another thing to hate about Chase Utley.
(You get -6 guesses where it's from)
Posted by: JMS | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:22 PM
No way Burrell should be at #3
Posted by: curt | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:26 PM
JMS: RJ Swindle? But really, does it make a difference because the poster is probably full of sh*t...
Posted by: diggitydave | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:26 PM
I didn't even think about the pitcher-I just find it appalling that other team's fans are always accusing the Phils of stealing pitches.
Posted by: JMS | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:29 PM
The bandbox strikes again!!
Posted by: diggitydave | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:30 PM
Great AB by Ryno!
Posted by: GoPhilsGo | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:30 PM
8 pitch AB for Howard, wow.
Posted by: curt | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:31 PM
beautiful at bat for howard capped off with a big oppo 2 run blast!
Posted by: redbeard | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:31 PM
STELLAR At-bat from Howard. Has to be his best of the year.
Posted by: RSB | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:31 PM
Huge!!!!!
Posted by: Slocs | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:31 PM
RYNO!!
Posted by: michael | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:31 PM
Rollins and Howard - two guys recently called to task as needing to contribute more. And here they are.
Posted by: strange | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:32 PM
Just to let everyone know I made that HR possible by benching Howard on my fantasy team ('The Team to Beat') for the first time this year. The Reverse-TTB jinx.
Posted by: Iceman | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:32 PM
Booyah!...and against a tough lefty.
Posted by: NEPP | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:32 PM
I am so sick of the pathetic bandbox comments...
Posted by: NEPP | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:33 PM
Take that you Mutt!
Posted by: vegas | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:34 PM
With lefties at .330 against KK, every 3rd hitter in this lineup should reach. Not good.
Posted by: curt | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:40 PM
NEPP: Well then, guess I should have put a tongue-in-cheek icon after what I wrote. I'm clearly poking fun at the Mets' announcers who in the face of statistical evidence and last night's 8 scoreless innings by the Mets offense continue to perpetrate their mindless yammering about how CBP is a "bandbox"
Posted by: diggitydave | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:41 PM
Kendrick is getting behind a lot early, he's gotta get ahead or the Mets will be on base all game longb
Posted by: thephaithful | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:42 PM
The Mets announcers are smarter than that. I don't know why they bring up the "bandbox" nonsense all the time.
Posted by: GoPhilsGo | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:42 PM
Sure would be nice if Kendrick would throw some strikes.
Posted by: Doohickey | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:45 PM
Totally out of nowhere, Werth! Nice one!
Posted by: JMS | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:48 PM
JAYSON!!!
Posted by: B-Mac | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:49 PM
Well this is 3 more runs than I thought we'd get tonight.
Posted by: Iceman | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:49 PM
Get some Phils!! Beat Santana up! He threw his career high 121 pitches his last outing, maybe he's got a little fatigue in the golden left arm
Posted by: thephaithful | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:49 PM
WERTH!
Posted by: vegas | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:49 PM
Werth!!! (damn bandbox ;-)
Posted by: Noodle | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:50 PM
Who is Feliz kidding if he thinks hes getting a deadred fastball from Santana?
Posted by: thephaithful | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:50 PM
Could it be hittin' season in the Bandbox?
Posted by: GoPhilsGo | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:50 PM
i laugh at the bandbox comments. opposing teams hitters in cbp have the same advantage as anyone, same goes for the pitchers. the mets and their fans are the worst at it. they honestly act like they dont hit in cbp, and the phils pitchers arent affected by the parks size.
Posted by: redbeard | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:53 PM
Von Hayes and ?
Posted by: thephaithful | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:54 PM
kk not enough strikes. at this rate he'll only go 5. trust your d
Posted by: Slocs | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:58 PM
If this is what playing in a bandbox is like, I'll take it!
Posted by: strange | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:58 PM
Werth earlier this year?
Posted by: Ops | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:58 PM
Kendrick needs to throw some low strikes, now. Get the groundballs. You cannot afford to let them get baserunners on here and get back into this game right away.
Posted by: Jack | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:59 PM
the phils should make tshirts
pitchers beware: bring your really good stuff.
or
attn: hitters - 329, 401, 330 ft.
Posted by: redbeard | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:59 PM
i say blanton is your long man tonight and bring up someone to start against cubs
Posted by: Slocs | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:59 PM
KK's nibbling himself to an early shower.
Posted by: curt | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 07:59 PM
Kendrick is staked to a lead, in a game in which we have half a bullpen because of last night. THROW STRIKES.
Posted by: Jack | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:00 PM
Reyes looked like he was having fun getting doubled off right there! Nice enthusiasm for the game.
Posted by: Iceman | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:01 PM
wow... needed that.
Posted by: f4f | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:01 PM
Reyes: speed kills
Posted by: diggitydave | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:01 PM
Jose rhymes with DOUBLE PLAY.
Posted by: RSB | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:01 PM
nice play vic
reyes got way too greedy with that. very dumb.
Posted by: redbeard | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:01 PM
this is ridiculous, got to throw strikes forf'sake.
Posted by: f4f | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:02 PM
KK's living right. And Vic's a stud CF.
Posted by: curt | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:02 PM
this is ridiculous, got to throw strikes forf'sake.
Posted by: f4f | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:02 PM
this is ridiculous, got to throw strikes forf'sake.
Posted by: f4f | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:04 PM
Vic has been filling Rowand's shoes nicely as of late.
Posted by: vegas | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:04 PM
kk doing what he does best, lucking is way to a W haha. He gives up hits all day and falls behind regularly but finds ways to get away with the W - most of the time.
Posted by: thephaithful | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:05 PM
Seems like KK spotted every hitter that inning with a 3-0 count...and got away with it.
Posted by: curt | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:06 PM
slocs-No way should we mess with our starting rotation right now. Blanton's been decent enough and we're too close to winning this thing to trust someone from AAA against the Cubs.
Posted by: JMS | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:06 PM
The point is moot because they brought up Carpenter assuredly for that specific situation that you, Slocs and JMS, are referring to
Posted by: diggitydave | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:08 PM
thephaithful: Yep, all luck. No pitcher in history has won while giving up lots of hits. You're pretty sharp to catch that.
Posted by: clout | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:09 PM
Kendrick should probably buy Vic dinner after this is all over.
Posted by: JMS | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:20 PM
Man, Kyle Kendrick is really not very good. Would he even make an AL contender's bullpen?
Posted by: wally | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:21 PM
Good thing the bullpen's nice andfresh...75 pitches in 3.2 IP so far
Posted by: NEPP | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:21 PM
wow very nice game for ryan so far
Posted by: Sam | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:22 PM
I have to say .. that commentary by Sarge about a CF using where the pitch was to gauge whether or not to come in on a popup hit right at you: It was really good info! More of that kind of stuff, Sarge! He's on a roll.
Posted by: Mick O | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:22 PM
Howard, really playing some defense recently. Team is starting to look pretty good again...
Posted by: Jack | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:22 PM
Dude is leading a charmed life.
Posted by: Doohickey | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:22 PM
wally: Wow, another genius joins the board.
Posted by: clout | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:23 PM
Hope this Carpenter kid has what it takes to fool hitters for 2+ innings.
Posted by: Iceman | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:23 PM
No RBI for you (Schneider!)
Posted by: MG | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:24 PM
In Kyle's defense...its not his fault he's matched up against another team's #1. He's our 5th pitcher and as 5th pitchers go he's a good one.
So far so good with him...though the bullpen will be beat by the end of the night.
Posted by: NEPP | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:24 PM
were going to need some great starting pitching against the cubs
Posted by: Sam | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:24 PM
At least on this night, Kendrick is a lot more lucky than good.
Posted by: RSB | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:24 PM
Jack: It's been very noticable of late, Howard making some excellent defensive plays. Strange considering how awful he's been most of the year.
Posted by: clout | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:24 PM
Clout, please explain to me, using statistics, how Kendrick is a good pitcher. He's getting away with a ton, because of Victorino's stellar play, and the general lack of baseball know-how displayed pretty much every second by the Mets.
Posted by: wally | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:25 PM
Yeah, TMac, they've been talking about the 100th anniversary of "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" all season.
Oh, and I'm reading about the Dead-ball Era, and am convinced they need to bring back the Baltimore Chop. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_Chop
Posted by: JMS | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:25 PM
Hope Kendrick can get you into the 6th if possible but I would also have the bullpen up and ready to go in the 6th at the first sign of trouble (Are you listening Cholly?).
Posted by: MG | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:25 PM
Kyle Kendrick must be a magician. The dude puts runners on base every inning yet he manages to keep his era somewhat respectable.
Lets Go Phils!
Posted by: GM-Carson | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:26 PM
Wow. I was totally expecting Howard to be overmatched all night.
Posted by: RSB | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:26 PM
RSB: Yep, luck explains it. Been lucky for nearly 2 seasons now. Can't get anything past you.
Posted by: clout | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:27 PM
Um, does W-L count as a "statistic" wally?
Posted by: Spitz | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:27 PM
Pitching around Howard...Hmmm.
Posted by: NEPP | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:27 PM
So you would say that Mike Pelfrey is better than Johan Santana?
Posted by: wally | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:28 PM
what is santana's pitch count at now?
Posted by: Sam | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:28 PM
MAN T-mac and Sarge are especially painful tonight! Almost Miller and Morgan-esque...
Posted by: diggitydave | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:28 PM
Victorino is actively hurting this team...they should just outright that bum.
Posted by: NEPP | Wednesday, August 27, 2008 at 08:29 PM