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Tuesday, July 22, 2008

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3 team parlay tonight boys: Angels, BoSox and Phils.

This doesn't have anything to do with tonight's game, but the Astros just acquired Randy Wolf. Maybe Ed Wade would trade for Brett Myers now or in the offseason.

Astros just acquired Randy Wolf.


Ha.

beat me to it phan.

This series has me nervously optimistic.

The reality is these two teams are very close in overall ability, and this series could be swept by either team on a run differential of 3. A couple of plays either way could spell disaster or euphoria.


Also, can we please stop the Feliz debate? PLEASE? He's a lower tier offensive 3B. Period. Any Beerleaguer, even his supporters, would take just about any other 3B in MLB if push came to shove, so let's just stop.

Besides, someone had a great point 2 threads ago. RF has been an equally bad problem. Not coincidentally, RF and 3B usually bat 6 & 7, creating the beginning of the offensive black hole in the bottom of the order.

Lastly, trading Vic should not be an option. IMO it would cause more problems than it would create.

However, a couple threads ago someone poster that Marty Wolever, the minor league director for the "oxymoron", said on 610 that Golson is ready now. Is he kidding?

The only reason he would say that is to prepare the fans. It could be that Vic is a trade chip, and Golson is going to get called up.

Kiss the season goodbye if that happens.

Kiss next season goodbye if that happens and Burrell is not re-signed, or a RH offensive equivalent is not brought in.

P.S. Matt Holliday is a defensively challenged LF (like Burrell), who hit for more average but less power.

Sideways. The "oxymoron" moves the team sideways.

I have a strange feeling that this is a good as it's ever going to get under this ownership group.

Considering that Wolf is a FA after this year, that's one of the more bizarre acquistions in recent times. Does Ed Wade think the Astros are going to come from 10 games down in the WC, & 12 down in the division, to make a playoff run? And they gave up a half-way decent pitching prospect to get him. Wade is already under fire in Houston, for some of his terrible off-season acquisitions. This smells like a move by a desperate GM who is trying to win enough games this year to save his job. Considering Wolf's away-game stats & his horrible GO/FO ratio, the move isn't even likely to succeed on those terms. Why can't these guys ever move on from their old players?

clout: "For a good deal, go to Priceline.com"

As is suspected all along, clout is William Shatner.

Victorino is just not that important. How many runs do you honestly think he prevents compared to what would replace him? 4 a year? Even that seems high.

How many runs does his sub 100 OPS+ cost us? If he isn't costing us runs, then he is at best a wash defensively/offensively.

He would not be missed.

Victorino is just not that important. How many runs do you honestly think he prevents compared to what would replace him? 4 a year? Even that seems high.

How many runs does his sub 100 OPS+ cost us? If he isn't costing us runs, then he is at best a wash defensively/offensively.

He would not be missed.

Hey, Blanton is better than I thought. O.OO era! Not bad. What's his era + ?

Kiss the season goodbye if Arthur Rhodes is really our bullpen addition. But other than that, I'm not ready to kiss anything goodbye unless it's Chase Utley's wife.

AWH,

Feliz-agree!.

Golson: I think "we" think he's only "ready" if it's to run/defense and that's about it. Otherwise, he ain't ready.

Holliday-would be the replacement for Burrell next year.

Vic-would miss his speed, which is important, but I don't know what else I would miss.

Is anyone else concerned about Eaton and Condrey being in the bullpen? I hate that idea. Not that Arthur Rhodes would be any kind of replacement, but somebody, anybody.

BTW: Who is garbage cleanup? Eaton or Condrey?

That (0-0, 0.00 ERA) in the title picture looks a lot nicer than 5-12, 4.96.

Pick your posion, Parker. As long as neither one comes in in a high leverage situation.

See: Condrey, July 20th, 0 IP, 3H, 1ER, 1BB

um, who here wouldn't rather have Wolf than Blanton?

I'd rather have Blanton.

Let us not forget Seanez. A lot of white flags sitting around out there. Maybe they will take turns in surrendering.

um, not me. And not you after tonight's game, either, Luis.

BedBd, agreed, but you missed the point:

The "oxymoron" thinks he's ready. They must, because they're making public pronouncments to that effect.

Holliday would replace Burrell, but my point is that in terms of overall production he wouldn't be much of an upgrade, if any.

I'll take Condrey over Eaton anyday, but both shouldn't be on this team. Eaton should be cut and Condrey should be sent down to AAA to make room for another lefty in the bullpen.

Golson may be an upgrade over Taguchi, but at this point almost anybody is an upgrade over Taguchi. Hell, Chris Roberson would probably be an upgrade over Taguchi.

PhillR: It wouldn't break my heart if the Phillies traded Victorino. But when you ask how many runs his middling offense costs us, you have to ask: compared to whom? Greg Golson? So Taguchi? Brandon Watson? Full-time versions of Jayson Werth & Greg Jenkins? In the abstract, Victorino's offense looks easily replaceable. In the real world, his mediocre offense is a big step up from whoever would replace him.

Look, Vic is going nowhere. He's cheap; more importantly, he has a bobblehead.

PhillR: I'll respond to you on Victorino similarly to how I responded on the "expendable" or "interchangeable" Rollins. Please let me know how many guys in the majors can play strong CF defense while at the same time bringing to the table what Victorino does offensively. The list is about 10-12 guys who we have no chance of acquiring.
I wouldn't object to parting with Victorino in the right deal, but to suggest he's easily replaceable, especially for what he's paid, is wrong.

Golson is certainly "ready" as a pinch runner/defensive replacement which means that, if we call him up, Cholly will only be even MORE encouraged to pull Burrell in the 7th inning of one-run games. Choosing between Golson & Taguchi reminds me of the line in "Airplane!" where the stewardess reminds the doctor that the lunch options were steak and fish, to which the doctor responds, "Oh yes, I remember. I had lasagne."

fair enough BedBeard- perhaps that wasn't the appropriate question. Would you rather have Wolf for a Rule 5 draft pick, or Blanton for Cardenas and Outman?

Yeah . . . what Brian said

I don't want Randy Wolf on my team period.

The dumbass known as Ed Wade strikes again. That trade for Wolf makes no sense. The Astros are pretty much out of it, and acquiring Wolf doesn't really better their chances of making a run at the Wild Card on NL Central.

And in the words of the great AWH..
"Lastly, trading Vic should not be an option. IMO it would cause more problems than it would create."... ummm, right.

Brain G, thanks for the correction. Whew, that's what I get for posting while being distracted at work.

It should read:

"it would cause more problems than it would solve".

I'll translate: It will hurt the pitching if he's not in CF.

Brian G: Here is how you distinguish between "Cause and Create"

That depends upon what your definition of is, "is."

AWH: In my extremely exhausted state, that made sense, didn't make sense, and then made sense again. Then I gave up on considering the possibilities, and I'll assumed that it was some strange Pat Gillick Jedi mind trick.

Facing the Nats just got easier, Rauch just got traded to the D-Backs for Emilio Bonifacio. It seems to me like the D-backs got him way too cheaply.

I don't know anything about that prospect, so based on nothing, that deal happened pretty quietly.

Wolf is worse than Blanton. People complain about Blanton's 5.73 away ERA. Wolf's is 6.63. His GB/FB is also lower, his LD% is higher, his HR/FB is higher. Also, there was a major leaguer named Cy Blanton once. Not sure there was ever a Cy Wolf.

"Also, there was a major leaguer named Cy Blanton once. Not sure there was ever a Cy Wolf."

Where else can you go for that insight?

@jw -- great banner. I was hoping for one of those cheesy painted phillies hats on top of him like the old topps traded sets...

Mets are scouting Marlon Byrd. Apparently, they're aiming for a former-Phillie named Marlon platoon.

Emilio Bonifacio is a light-hitting speedy 2B who also played some OF for the D-Backs.

I just looked up Emilio Bonifacio on b-r.com.

They traded Rauch for that?

And you think Ed Wade is bad?

Parker, please don't compare me to Seattle Stew.

As for Blanton or Wolf, I take Blanton. Fresh start. You can't come home again. Ask Eaton and Ashby.

That's too bad about Rauch. I know we don't really need another righty in the pen, but he always looked really good when we faced the Nats and I always wanted him on the phils.

Bonifacio was the 6th ranked prospect in the D-Backs system going into the season.

Phillr: For all your supposed intellect and deep reasoning that you think you possess because you're able to look at things objectively and use these crazy newfangled stats, you seem to have overlooked a little thing called "positional scarcity". Go ahead and Google that, read up on it, and when you think you understand it, come back and talk to us about the value of Rollins and Victorino. Thanks.

The funny thing about "positional scarcity"... one year ago, we had three starting CFs on our team. Of course, we could have kept Michael Bourn and had an OPS+ of 52 this year instead of the OPS+ of 93 that Shane Victorino gives us. Can you believe Bourn's OBP is .277?? It's a good thing the Gas Can worked out for them...

AWH: Bonifacio is an excellent prospect with a good glove at 2B and blazing speed. BA ranked him the D'backs 6th best prospect. The D'backs saw him as a potential leadoff hitter. His strikeouts are too high for my taste and he doesn't have a lick of power but he is hitting .302/.348/.387 at Tucson. He can also play SS and the corner OF spots. I see him as a Ryan Freel clone. I like Rauch a lot, but if I'm the Nats, this deal makes lots of sense.

Jack: That is exactly right. Victorino's offense may be weak, but compared to the rest of the league's centerfielders, it's pretty good. The guys who want to trade him need to answer this question: Who succeeds him in CF? If you can't answer that question, you need to shut up.

clout, I must disagree in this regard:

Rauch has been one of the better, and most consistent RP in baseball the last 3-4 yrs., and he's only 29.

I think they could have gotten more for him.

AWH: I was awaiting your comment on the possibility of getting Rhodes back. Did I miss it?

clout, discussing Vic is the Feliz debate all over again.

Some posters don't seem to be able to grasp the added importance of defense at CERTAIN positions, CF being one of them, 3B not being one of them.

rollins
utley
burrell
howard

Okay, clout.

I laid off the Rhodes item on purpose, for two reasons: One , because as Thumper's Mom says: If you can't say anything nice, don't say nuthin' at all", and two, I've already taken shots at the "oxymoron" today.

But......since you insist, I offer this:


I would rather be stabbed in the throat with a fork than see Arthur Rhodes in a Phillies uniform again.

Wow...

Burrell batting 3rd.

Rollins
Utley
Burrell
Howard
Werth
Feliz
Victorino
Ruiz
Blanton

sorry for the cut off post before

1. rollins
2. utley
3. burrell
4. howard
5. werth
6. feliz
7. victorino
8. ruiz
9. blanton

not too bad

This year there are 11 players with higher OPS than Vic in MLB. 13 with higher OPS+. Vic is 13th among CF in MLB in VORP, which does *not* consider defense. He's 15th among all CF in RC.

Here's the list of CF this year with higher VORP and RC than Rowand.

Sizemore
Hamilton
McClouth
Beltran
Ankiel
Ichiro
Granderson
Upton
Hunter
Kemp
Rowand
Ross

By those measures, these guys are the only CF who are better at the position than Vic.

Nice lineup.

Chooch has the highest BA of any active Phillie against Santana.


(If context matters to you... Chooch is 1 for 3 in his career vs. Santana. There... you've ruined my proclamation.)

Maybe this was discussed before, but I just read one of Keith Law's comments about the Blanton trade. This one:

" That trick works when you're playing in front of one of the best defenses in the majors in Oakland, but less so in front of Philly's defense, where all three outfielders are below average for their positions"

pretty much exposes his lack of knowledge about the game.

He's right on PB, but is Vic a below average CF? Really? Is Werth when he's in RF?

It boggles the mind.

Holy crap, the Diamondbacks got John Rausch for Emanuel Bonafacio???? Is Emanuel better than I thought?

So tonight begins the "Joe Blanton proves Beerleaguer wrong" era.

Let's go, Joe.

I would like to be the first to announce the trade of four boxes of the Buck Bros. lattes and cappucino to the Mariners for Arthur Rhodes. He's going to really bolster our pen and Seattle was so nice to pay a portion of his remaining salary so our Self imposed Salary Cap, I mean BUDGET, is not affected in any manner. He also increases the number of African Americans on our team so you peasants can no longer say that we are a racist organization.

OAK does have the most efficient defense in MLB, but the Phils aren't so bad. They're tied for 11th. .017 points less than OAK. Doesn't seem like a lot to me, but what do I know about this stat.

AWH: Keith Law goes out of his way to be a d*ck a lot of the time.

AWH: Thanks. You didn't disappoint!

CJ: I absolutely LOVE that lineup against LHP. It breaks up Uts & Howard and takes advantage of Werth & feliz's strong numbers vs. LHP. That should be the regular lineup vs. LHP. Stick with that (and I've got one for RHP too) and Cholly will win Manager of the Year.

Alright I'm tired of waiting. Let's start this game. Another fun time watching a game on mlb.com's Gameday while I sit at work until 2 am.

what's the righty lineup, Clout? (For tomorrow against Maine)

Parker: Yes.

Wow its July 22nd and our Moron Manager Finally realizes that Utley / Howard back to back is killing this team in late inning situations.

How long will take for him to realize that most of the RBI's that Howard gets are on either doubles and hr's therefore the need for speed at the top of the lineup, in front of Howard, is not really all that great.

I know this seems a little out of the box but I would try this is for a week to see how it works out.

1. Burrell
2. Werth/Jenkins
3. Howard
4. Utley
5. Rollins
6. Feliz
7. Victorino
8. Catcher
9. Pitcher

I know it seems crazy but Burrell would not need to do alot of running because if he gets on base with his customary walk Werth/Jenkins should be able to move him over for the middle of the lineup. Steals at the top of the lineup have killed this team for years now. We end up running into intentional walk and pitch around situations when guys steal bases infront of Utley and Howard. I don't know but this team's offense has been dysfunctional for alot longer than just a month, but only now have most of you realized it!

I'm not really expecting too much from this series in terms of wins. If they got two, I'd be stunned. I just want to see them play their hearts out, something I don't think they've done for a good long while now. I think the way the Phillies approach and perform in this series will go a long way towards telling us if this is going to be a team that's really going to fight for a playoff spot. This obviously is the time to step it up.

Incidentally - the Astros are buyers? Really? Is someone delusional down there?

I'm not really expecting too much from this series in terms of wins. If they got two, I'd be stunned. I just want to see them play their hearts out, something I don't think they've done for a good long while now. I think the way the Phillies approach and perform in this series will go a long way towards telling us if this is going to be a team that's really going to fight for a playoff spot. This obviously is the time to step it up.

Incidentally - the Astros are buyers? Really? Is someone delusional down there?

@ RSB

My thoughts exactly. I just want to see if this team has a playoff run in it. If this series doesn't get them hyped up to play the best baseball that they can, I don't know what will.

Hope: Since you asked

Vic
Utley
Burrell
Howard
J-Roll
Dobbs
Coste
Jenkins

THe Dude: Almost perfect, but you have to switch 8 and 9.

Whatever the scouting reports may say about him, Bonifacio's stats suggest that he's a poor man's Michael Bourn. The D-Backs got Rauch way too cheaply. Why can't the Phillies ever make trades like that? Not that Rauch could have beaten out Clay Condrey for the last bullpen spot, but still . . .

Paco apparently wants Cholly to manage the Tony LaRussa way. Sad thing is, it wouldn't matter if you switched them.

RSB: I just want to see wins. Plain and simple.

Prediction: By the third inning this board will be flooded with vitriol, directed at Joe Blanton & the GM who acquired him.

Wow, Clout, I certainly couldn't have psyched that out.

Give us the rationale whenever you feel like it (or there's some dead time tonight) if you don't mind.

1 of 4 things here:

1.) I underestimated Emanuel Bonofacio.
2.) I overestimated John Rausch
3.) Jim Bowden is an idiot.
4.) Jim Bowden is an idiot and got fleeced by the D-Back's GM.

I'm all out of options here, but I'm going with one of the Jim Bowden is an idiot choices.

Or it will be filled with fans who want Jimmy Rollins benched...

clout: The sad part is that despite Feliz's numbers vs. lefties, he's just 1 for 10 in his career vs. Santana.

the machine wanted a hit, so it got one.

To Johan Santana:

I own the Mets and therefore own you. Thanks.

~The Machine

Burrell does what Burrell does.

Wow, listen to Wheels play apologist for Manuel pulling Burrell. He's practically outraged that anyone would question it.

That'd be cool if Burrell stole second off of Santana.

c'mon Werth make something happen here.

These two guys are on fire. A run in the 1st against Johan would be outstanding.

Nice to see a couple base runners... making Santana throw pitches... but base runners alone don't win games.

See, no need for a Burrell pinch-runner late!

nice!

burrell first to come across the plate!

Great job of situational 2-out hitting. Color me impressed.

Burrell! Howard! Werth! Small ball is big.

booyakasha

Woo Hoo!!!

Way to go Werth. Now that feels good.

The GUT. DON'T QUESTION THE GUT!

Pedro Feliz, rally-killer.

Wow. Did not expect three straight 2-out singles and a Phils lead early early!

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