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Thursday, June 26, 2008

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In other news, Ryan Howard remains MIA.

Great win, although the O was a little frustatrating situationally. KK had awesome movement and got the lefties out, which was huge.

How bout the Chacon/Wade incident? From parachuting disaster to being assaulted. Can Ed Wade be fitted for a Charlie Brown shirt? I feel bad for Ed.

Of particular note is that of the 4 hits KK allowed 2 were from righties and 2 from lefties. That is a very positive sign for a guy who has been tough on righties but unable to get lefties out.

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Slocs mentioned the ESPN phantom 8th inning Phillies run in the 8th. I heard on the local Houston sports radio station the Fox sports flash last night before going to bed that the Phils were leading 5-0 in the 8th inning! I was shocked to see a 4-0 score this morning.

Glad the losing streak is over. I'm glad for KK. He has had a lot of success with the Phillies. I don't think he should be considered as trade fodder for another starter. I'd trade Myers. (I doubt that any real MLB GM would want Eaton!)

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The Chacon story is the big news here in Houston. Supposedly Chacon was eating and Wade wanted to see him in his office. According to Chacon, Chacon told Ed to say what he had to say at the dinner table, then Chacon says that Wade started cursing Chacon causing Chacon to lose his "cool" and attack Wade. It is curious that the only Astro player willing to make any comments was Lance Berkman who did NOT witness the events.

My take is that Chacon is telling the truth and that the other players have clammed up because they don't want to tell the truth about Wade's "cussing". In this Houston area with its sizeable Hispanic population, a cussing tirade at a latin player by the GM is probably not good for business.

When Wade trades Oswalt to the Phillies for Myers, Chacon will be a throw-in player in the deal.

From other thread: Chacon should be suspended for the rest of the season even if what happened is exactly how he stated it. I appreciate that he got to live out every Phillies fan's fantasy but you cannot physically attack your boss and expect to have a job...even in baseball.

Wasn't that the dirty little secret about Wade in Philadelphia? That he'd lose his cool? Correct me if I'm wrong ...

KK stepped up big time last night. Working fast, comming in and off the plate w/ his pitches, he shined. He gives credit to Coste's game calling. It looked like Coste did not take pitch calls from the bench. I'd like to see the speed mixed through the line up again.

I'd like to see Werth and Vic at the top of the order, Utley in the 3hole and Rollins 6th...I don't care for Jroll batting 3rd:

RF Werth
CF Vic
2B Utley
LF Burrell
DH Howard
SS Rollins
3B Feliz
C Coste
1B Dobbs

That's what I'd like to see happen at some point...especially against Leftys in the AL.

Though to be honest, Werth is almost guaranteed a rest against Harden...that would just be mean to do to him.

NE Phillies Phan, I agree. I'd be lucky to still have a job if I grabbed my boss' neck, threw him to the ground and sat on top of him. It would even be worse if I had a female boss!

Lake Fred, there may be something to the Astros as a trade partner. Maybe Fast Eddie would like to be reunited with 2 of his old draft picks - Myers and Madson - for Oswalt and Chacon. All four of these players could benefit from a change in scenery.

Maybe the Phils should ask about Chacon's availabilty, talk about an instant fan favorite. On another subject I fill like watching Sportscenter for the first time in a week.

"Chacon's Chokers" ?

I would imagine Dobbs would get the start today, and Jenkins will be in the outfield with Pat DH'ing. If not, either Charlie is playing mind games with someone, or someone has a nagging injury.

Anyone else remember when it was pretty much automatic that Pat would get the day game after a night game off? Since the 2nd half of last year it hasn't been as frequent, but it used to be pretty much every Sunday. I think it's hilarious that a non-catcher was essentially gauranteed those games off, most likely because of his "extra-curricular" activities. I'm gonna miss The Bat if he leaves after this year.

Looks like only one of the next four games will we face a lefty. Maybe that can get Howard out of his slump. I would love to see him stay in the 5 hole regardless. It's been a pet peave of mine. Not going L-R-L makes no sense unless Ryno is just killing the ball. I do also like the idea of either Vic or Jroll down in the order. Jenkins, Feliz, catcher or something like it is like a clogged drain. Kendrick looked like Randy Jones circa 1976 last night.

UD Hens, that trade makes a lot of sense. It would benefit all four players you mentioned. I think Philadelphia would be the only city that would find any merit i Chacon's actions. He'd probably be cheered in his first appearance in Philly.

I like JRoll in the 6 hole for a couple of reasons:

1. His penchant for big hits at critical times

2. His power...he may not bash 40 HRs but he has more power than Vic and can drive runs in

3. His speeds offsets a very slow bottom 3rd of the order

4. OBP is lower this year and Vic is getting better.

Rollins in the 6 holes feels right...it also allows us to use a Werth/Vic leadoff duo that is very formidable.

****I think Philadelphia would be the only city that would find any merit i Chacon's actions. He'd probably be cheered in his first appearance in Philly.****

Promptly followed by the commentator's comment of "THIS...from the city that booed Santa Claus...just disgraceful!"

donc,
I'm with you on the Howard to the 5 hole. It makes the late inning bullpen loogy matchup more difficult as well. I finally found a poster who remembers 76 as fondly as I do. Those were the days!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Oswalt another fly ball pitcher? Wouldn't pitching in CBP cause his HR #'s to go up?

Cipper: No more than pitching in Minute Maid already does...both are hitters parks...especially for HRs.

>>NE Phillies Phan, I agree. I'd be lucky to still have a job if I grabbed my boss' neck, threw him to the ground and sat on top of him. It would even be worse if I had a female boss!<<

Depends on where you grabbed her....

I liked the fact that KK pitched aggressively and worked quickly. No fooling around between pitches.

don: I even had hair back in '76. I think we were posting back and forth about Carlton vs. Parker the other day.

donc, Randy Jones or did you mean Randy Lerch?

I was actually sitting in the 6th row last night, right behind the Phillies' dugout. Once fans started leaving, we moved down to literally the front row. When Cholly didn't have anyone warming up in the bullpen to start the 8th inning, my every instinct was to call him a dumbass. But then I looked up and realized that Cholly was standing outside the dugout, literally, no more than 8 or 10 feet away from me. I decided maybe it would be better to keep my "dumbass" thoughts to myself.

Glad they finally won but I wasn't happy with all the runners LOB. Kendrick was certainly on his game, but it helped that he was facing a bunch of Triple A hitters. Unfortunately, with Rich Harden going against Adam Eaton today, I suspect that whatever good will they managed to generate with last night's win will be quickly squandered away like a Phillies scoring opportunity.

"Depends on where you grabbed her...."

Jimmie J, you must be from a bygone era. Your comment doesn't fly in 2008 when we nearly had Hillary for President! There is no 'safe' place to grab.

udhens: No I meant Randy Jones. He won a Cy Young for the Padres in the seventies. I think he won about 25 games that year.

Myers and Madson for Oswalt and Chacon? You guys seriously think that would sound like a good deal? Chacon just isn't a major league quality pitcher anymore and apparently isn't interested in the bullpen. Oswalt simply isnt what he used to be. Pitchers of that size wear down at an earlier age.

The Myers bashing on here is absurd (unless being used in a reverse-BL-curse). He's down a couple MPH, but he can still be a quite effective pitcher even at 89-90. Right now he just seems to have spots where he simply doesn't locate a pitch and then gets upset and makes a worse mistake which compound into big innings. Then sits down 10 in a row. If his head gets in the right place then he will be the #2 that was expected this year. His k-rate, bb-rate and gb% are all almost exactly what they were in '05 and 06'. So when the peripherals are the same and the resulting ERA is one and a half runs higher, its due to fall closer in line with the other rates.

BAP, I'm envious of your game experience of last night. It doesn't get any better than viewing a Phillies road shutout victory!

Since I started Harden this week in my FBL(I usually try to avoid that, but I needed him to start due to injuries)...my best case scenario is a 9 IP, 0 ER 15 K performance from him and have the Phillies win on a walkoff in the 10th against someone not named Harden.

JW: Well, Wade did start a jihad with the press after calling Marcus Hayes an "officious f@ck." A big whisper campaign on DNL and by 1Chair ensued. (Of course Michal Barkann probably agrees with that diagnosis of Hayes!)

The A's don't score a lot and they hit very few home runs, probably Eaton's biggest weakness. No reason why he can't have a good start.

LF: Yeah . . . the evening's only downside was the BART ride home, in which a normally 45-minute ride was somehow transformed into almost 2 hours. That's the last time I ever save the environment and take public transportation to the game.

NEPP: Better yet, how about 9 IP, 15 Ks, 11 errors by the A's, and 6 Phillies homeruns resulting in 15 runs -- all unearned? Would that work for your fantasy squad?

NEPhilliesPhan with Eaton Pitching they may call mercy rule in the 7th if it goes that way.

****The Myers bashing on here is absurd (unless being used in a reverse-BL-curse). He's down a couple MPH, but he can still be a quite effective pitcher even at 89-90.****

Really? Could you tell him that as he doesnt seem to get it. And his peripherals are not the same...other than his K rate. His walk rate has skyrocketed and his OPS against is 200 points higher this season. His BAA is up around 40 points from his peak in 2005/2006...even his K/9 rate is down from that peak...he's at 7.77 this season as opposed to around 8.60 (his approximate rate for 05/06.

BAP: Is Giants and A's basically the same as Mets and Yankees? Or are S.F. and Oakland completely different? (aside from name of course)

****NEPP: Better yet, how about 9 IP, 15 Ks, 11 errors by the A's, and 6 Phillies homeruns resulting in 15 runs -- all unearned? Would that work for your fantasy squad?****

The only issue with that is I'd get a loss out of it. I'd prefer a no decision and a Phillies victory.

FWIW: Seth Everett was just on 610 saying Myers is the most likely Phillies starter to be traded-as a starter/closer/set up man.

I went to one of the Giants/A's Spring Training games in San Fran last season and didn't really get a sense of a real rivalry there...of course I was wearing a Phillies hat so no one said anything to me anyway. Nice stadium to say the least.

I'd hate to see Myers go, after all, you know he's gonna kill the phills whenever they meet up with him.

Randy Lerch could hit but he was no Randy Jones on the mound. donc remember that game he had against the Pirates that I think clinched the East. I think he hit 2 dingers and they won something like 10-8. I guess you better be able to hit if you give up 8 runs.

I went to one of the Giants/A's Spring Training games in San Fran last season and didn't really get a sense of a real rivalry there...of course I was wearing a Phillies hat so no one said anything to me anyway. Nice stadium to say the least.

BAP: Instead of yelling 'dumbass' at Charlie, where you close enough to just ask him when he was going to get somebody up politely?

Best Starts by Phils' pitching this year (as measured by Game Score*):

Hamels: 83 - CG against ATL
Hamels: 82 - CG against CIN
Hamels: 80 - loss to FLO
Moyer: 80 - the next day, 6/12, in a W
Hamels: 78 - W against CHN in April
Hamels: 78 - 1-0 5/20 W against WAS
Kendrick: 77 - last night
Myers: 74 - the L against CIN

Eaton's highest this year was 69 on 6/3 against CIN.

*B-R.com explanation: GmSc - Game Score - This is a value created by Bill James that evaluates how good a pitcher's start was.

Start with 50 points. Add 1 point for each out recorded, (or 3 points per inning). Add 2 points for each inning completed after the 4th. Add 1 point for each strikeout. Subtract 2 points for each hit allowed. Subtract 4 points for each earned run allowed. Subtract 2 points for each unearned run allowed. Subtract 1 point for each walk.

"The Myers bashing on here is absurd"

Ricky, are you living in an alternate universe? In this one, Myers has been, at best, ineffective. His record is horrible. His season can be described in one word: "Eatonesque!" He's been sucking on the hind teat all year.

I just don't think we are going to see Myers get any better. He was fairly effective as a closer last year, but remember before he moved to the bullpen, he was not very good as a starter. I don't think he is pitching any worse or better now than he did in the first two months of last year. In other words, I don't think this is a funk that he will some day wake up and come out of. I think what you see is what you get with Myers. That's not bashing Myers.
This team can't afford to wait for him to get better as a starter. If we can trade him to get an Oswalt or a Beddard, then let's do it.

Sophist: Did you have to look through the box scores to assemble that list, or is it available somewhere?

"Maybe it shouldn't have happened," Chacon said. "But when you do those things and you're yelling at somebody and you're cussing you better know what type of person you're dealing with. If there's any regret, I just wish they had just let me alone. I wish they had left me alone," he told the Chronicle. -Shaun Chacon

He doesn't exactly sound regretful about the whole thing...Wade must be quite the prick...Ken Rosenthal mentioned Wade's temper in his column on FoxSports about the incident as well.

Sophist: I think that makes clear what everyone knows about this rotation- it is Hamels & everyone else.

Myers problem isn't velocity. It's location. That's why his walk rate is up, his K rate is down and his HR rate off the chart. His ability to put the ball where he wants to has deteriorated. That's usually a mechanical or an injury issue (as it was last year with Eaton.) A good pitching coach should be able to pinpoint the problem, whether it's arm angle, release point, delivery etc.

Weighing in on the Chacon thing. A guy goes before the media and publicly demands a trade or his outright release. As a result, Chacon gets asked to go to the manager's office, and he REFUSES. (Right there, that's a sign of disrespect and a public undermining of his authority. Wade understandable would have pissed before hand, now I expect he would've been livid.) He doesn't like what Wade says or how he says it, and he attacks. (Machismo a factor, since this was done publicly?) And Chacon has the gall to say, "I wish they had just left me alone." He takes no responsibity for the incident. What an ASS. I'm no fan of Wade's, but puh-lease!

Alby - B-R.com has the GScr on the pitching game logs pages.

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