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Wednesday, February 13, 2008

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I agree, I really hope they get this done. I'm certainly not LOVING the rotation, but with this move it should be ok given the broad shoulders of the offense.

I'm excited about the potential here and hope they can get it done. I still think Lohse will eventually be had on a 2yr./~$16MM deal and the team to sign him will be the Phillies.

Philadelphia, Anna Benson.

Anna Benson, Philadelphia.

This is a solid move given the "budget". This will be like a deadline move if his health pans out.

I hope Helms smashes the ball in the spring (unlikely), so we can at least get something for him.

I don't have a problem with the move, but it is really frustrating that we're apparently not worrying about opening day any more. IMO, the rotation is going to need band-aids (or, more likely, some huge tourniquets) within the first few weeks, not just in June.

having a guy in your back pocket who can contribute down the stretch is great, but you have to get there first. right now, that's hardly a sure thing.

"I hope Helms smashes the ball in the spring (unlikely), so we can at least get something for him."

If Helms has a good spring, why not keep him as the backup corner infielder?

Zolecki says it's done. for a 1-year minor league deal, evidently.

Can there be any doubt now that Adam Eaton has been the worst signing of the Gillick era? I guess there's still time, but if the deal goes through, you're basically paying Eaton, and Benson, and arguably Durbin, to do the job of one. At least Garcia is one and done.

there have been some doozies, but Eaton takes the cake. Unless, of course, he bounces back and wins 20 games with a sub-3 era.

That being said, I have more confidence in Eaton at the plate then on the mound.

ae: can you expand on why you think the rotation will struggle early? i don't see it.

Hamels- maybe he has a DL stint, but not likely in the first half.
Myers- i'll give you. I think he may struggle adjusting back to the rotation.
Kendrick- i'm a believer. as long as the defense behind him plays well, i think he'll give the club a chance to win every time.
Moyer- is 45 and may tire, but certainly not by opening day.
Eaton/Durbin/Benson/Lohse- whoever this is, they'll have won the spot by pitching well in ST, so i don't see how you can say they would struggle by opening day?

did anyone mention the most important point?

his wife is smoking hot, and hates peta, thats worth something big in my book

and in case people couldnt tell that was in jest, while i do feel that way about those 2 points i know the value this has for the team if for nothing else then added depth and insurance

did anyone mention the most important point?

his wife is smoking hot, and hates peta, thats worth something big in my book

and in case people couldnt tell that was in jest, while i do feel that way about those 2 points i know the value this has for the team if for nothing else then added depth and insurance

Jason,

Eaton may be the worst signing of Gillick era, by any team!

I think Pavano, Wright, and Clement were before before Gillick right. And those guys at least had the decency to get hurt, and not completely suck. If the Phils hadn't caught the Mets at the wire, Eaton would have been reasons 1, 1a, and 1b why that didn't happen.

A minor league deal is a bit of a concern actually, because I can't believe would do that if he were ready to contribute in the first two months of the season.

Good move on Benson. High potential reward, low risk. Now we need to get Lohse in.

Cube, I agree with ae. I'm confident in Myers and Hamels as above average for their slots, but Kendrick is likely a slightly below average #3, and Moyer a below-average #4.

As for the five slot, well, I think he was assuming neither Benson nor Loshe would be there, so you are talking about either of the Durbins or Eaton as the #5 pitcher...whoever that is, they will be a below-average #5, despite "winning" that job.

Also, I'm shocked you are more worried about Myers than Moyer or Kendrick!

Benson sure beats nothing.
/(taking CY's advice:)

In order for the Phils to sign Lohse, they have to move Eaton to free up the money.
Not likely that's going to happen.

ae: can you expand on why you think the rotation will struggle early? i don't see it.

that's not exactly my point--I don't think there's anything intrinsic about the beginning of the year that's going to make the rotation struggle. my point is that the rotation as constructed now is simply not good enough, and there's an extremely good chance that opening day is going to find the Phillies with one or more starting pitchers who don't belong on a contending major league roster.

Hamels I am not concerned about. (or, more accurately, I can't afford to be concerned about him to maintain my sanity as a Phillies fan.)
Myers struggled mightily as a starter at the beginning of last season. he was unable to throw a cutter at the end of last year due to his injury. he hasn't started a game since early April.
Kendrick performed very well last year, but his ERA was completely out of line from his peripherals--low strikeout rate, only marginally above average GB rate. his fielding-independent ERA was 4.90, a full run higher than his real ERA. his minor league numbers do not indicate that he's an above average major league starter.
Moyer is nearly impossible to project because of his advanced age and general lack of "stuff", but he's clearly a risk.
"Eaton/Durbin/Benson/Lohse" - well, Lohse isn't on the team, and Benson is very unlikely to be ready opening day. I have basically zero confidence in the rest of the guys projected as fifth starters.

I don't know if i buy into the "Myers may struggle adjusting being back in the rotation" theory. He's have all offseason/spring training to adjust. The other guys are the concern, not Myers/Hamels

well, I'm not staying up nights worrying about it, but I think it's awfully optimistic to assume that he'll just instantly snap right into elite starter mode.

Do a google images search for Kris Benson.

That about sums up what the town of Phily is getting.

Enjoy Kris Benson and his husband Anna.

ae: okay. i'm with you now. i agree with you too that the rotation projects as below average. i was just confused about the "start of the season comment". i like the Benson signing because, like you, i think at least one of our starters goes up in smoke by the all star break. hopefully Benson will be at 100% strength by then and can step in and stop the bleeding.

ae: i agree on Myers. not losing sleep over it, but it's a gut feeling i have. it's not his arm that i doubt, it's more of the mental side of the game that i think will plague him. i think he truly found his baseball calling in the bullpen last year and he's going to struggle adapting back to a starter's role.

Get Lohse, he's better than the Durbins, Eaton, Condry, etc. Pitch him wherever he's needed - long relief, 7th inning, etc. If they have him, they may be able to go with 11 pitchers.

kdon: "If the Phils hadn't caught the Mets at the wire, Eaton would have been reasons 1, 1a, and 1b why that didn't happen."

Really? Looks like you're still lovin' that Phillies bullpen from the start of last season!

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