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If Lieber came into camp in shape, would that have kept this injury away?

Nice to see Hamels K two batters during the top half of the 1st inning.

Nice to see Hamels K two batters during the top half of the 1st inning.

I know I've been ranting about how you have to ignore ST, but I am scared to death of Karim Garcia making this team.

He is one of the worst hackers I've ever seen...he managed to swing and miss on a ball that hit the plate on the first pitch of his AB!

Nice to see Dobbs hitting one spot ahead of him. At this point, I'd much rather see Calloway or Bourn make the team over Garcia. Please please please go 0-4 today Karim.

BTW, anyone else having trouble with the audio from MLB.TV?

Hahaha as I read kdon's comment Garcia hits a homer, nice timing

Karim says "take that, kdon!"

Hahaha as I read kdon's comment Garcia hits a homer, nice timing

Dammit! Garcia is so going to make this team. F'ing spring training!

To be fair, he said, "take that, Beerleaguers!" Actually, it was a nice adjustment by Garcia. He rolled over on an outside pitch and tapped it weakly to second his first time up - and this time, he went right with it and hit a bomb to left-center. He's got a decent bat.

There is nothing I'd like more than Garcia to somehow develop into a player he has failed to be in 10 ML seasons and one year in Japan, but it seems pretty foolishj to think that will happen.

Garcia's good spring is the worst possibility. I'm sorry, but a corner OF with no speed or defense with a *lifetime* OBP of !!! .279 !!! should not be on a ML roster.

ae: To continue a post from the previous thread, I have to disagree that the Mets are clearly better (on paper) than the Phils. It's arguable but, on paper, both teams are pretty close.

Considered a strength in the offseason, their bullpen now looks less than formidable. Duaner Sanchez is shelved, with no timetable for a return. Steroid-free Guillermo Mota is an unknown quantity when he returns after Memorial Day. Sele and Park are headed to the pen as innings-eaters to compensate for the shaky rotation. Heilman expects to deal with season-long tendinitis. Feliciano and Schoenweiss are solid lefties and the Mets depth is a plus but overall, their pitching staff is loaded with question marks.

Despite all the doom-and-gloom, I'm looking forward to a wire-to-wire race between the teams with the Braves thrown in for good measure.

RSB, I do respect your attention to things like making adjustments, and you would probably make a good color commentator. But to call Garcia a "good bat" is ludicrous. IO know you think OBP is some sort of obscure stat, so what about batting average?

How about a career average of .241! Do you really think one "adjustment" against Ramon Ortiz can overule a lifetime of sucktitude?

I'm not disagreeing with you, really. I'm not a fan. But Garcia has looked decent with the bat this spring, and has extra-base/HR power. He'll be on the team, like it or not.

i think the general point on garcia is that there should be someone better and/or younger for that spot.

it's a shame that he's even here competing for a job and we have to hope he has an almost career year to be worthwhile.

"He'll be on the team, like it or not."

I agree, but he will be a detriment, especially as a PH. He will be intolerable to watch...did you see that last AB? He flew open on the first pitch and then K'd on a pitch at his eyeballs. He is a joke as a hitter. His power comes because he swings as hard as possible at almost every pitch, irregardless or how close it is to the plate.

Sure, he's a strong guy who will hit the ball out of the park every once and a while, but seroiusly...a .279 career OBP!!! Danny Sandoval could post a .279 OBP. Hell, there are probably 10 guys at Ottawa that could post a .279 OBP. The guy is just a joke.

kdon, not to nitpick, but I believe it's suckitude.

I too, don't want to see Garcia on this team. History says he won't sustain this level of performance all year, so I'm not fooled. I would rather see a bench of Werth, Nunez(unfortunately he's a lock because of his contract), Dobbs (multiple positions), Coste (multiple positions and a higher BA against RHP than Garcia) and Bourne (defense and pinch running). I'm assuming they'll go North with 12 pitchers.

Oops, I forgot that they'll probably keep Ruiz, so Coste is toast (unfortunately).

vor - I think those are all valid minuses for the Mets, and there's probably even more (i.e. Valentin is not going to come close to his 2006 numbers). but I still think the Mets' negatives are not as severe as the Phils or the Braves, and their positives are about on par.

The biggest negative for the Phils is that many of their pitchers and hitters have a history of being streaky, and if they all slump at the same time the team can get buried. (See June 2006) If all of them ever got hot at the same time this lineup is spooky. Imagine Jimmy and Vic on tears at the same time Utley, Howard and Burrell are knocking the cover off the ball. Helms then follows as his reasonably consistent self, and Rowand hitting a little things could be a lot of fun to watch.

You'll notice I didn't mention the 8 hole hitter or the pitcher, aka the offensive black hole. Barajas stinks as a hitter except for an occsional HR, and the Phils pitchers have no history of contributing anything (Wolfie's gone).

The Muts have a more consistent lineup, and that's the big difference.

Besides those 2 pitches, Hamels pitched nicely today...I needed that. Yes "I" not "he".

I'm in perfect agreement with your bench AWH, but I think we'll probably see:

Garcia, Dobbs, Ruiz, Nunez, Werth.

Prediction: Manuel makes Garcia his primary PH and he hits .135 for the first two months of the season, but has one game winning HR.

This will keep him on the roster through mid-July, at which point he will retire, and Gillick will be praised for acting quickly and not being afraid to second-guess himself.

Bourn will be called up to replace him, hit .420 leading the Phillies to second place in the east, one game back of the Mets.

Pat Burrell, who K'd in a game in late August after Howard was intentionally walked, will be blamed.

I've just got the mlb box score going today. Did Alfonseca head out early (1/3 IP) due to injury? Because if so, wow, that would be fantastic...

kdon that sounds freakishly prophetic.

...So i'll be first to say, Trade Burrell!

Good day for the Phils today. I feel a little becalmed. Hamels looked sharp, Gordon looked fine, Utley's ready to go, and Burrell didn't play.

Bill, he came in and pitched to one batter in the 7th.

The best part of today's game is that it will chill out some people on this site.

Of course, chilling out based on one game is just as silly as freaking out because of one game, but I'll take it any way I can get it at this stage.

The offense needed this one. A couple more like this would be a good boost into the season. It was also apparently a nice, calm day. Not an excuse, but they've said the wind has been been havoc on the bats. As for Garcia, he's making the most of this chance. You've got to give him that. Andersen on radio also couldn't believe Seattle would allow Dobbs to get away. I've only seen one or two at bats this spring, but Andersen says he has a great swing. Looks like a good bench addition to an NL team.

Garcia played the entire game - his status probably remains undetermined.

Glad to hear your feeling better RSB.

I agree Jason, Dobbs looks like a nice pickup, one of Gillick's reject acquisitions that may pan out. He won't hit for power, but he seems ideal as a PH: lefthanded, with a good eye and the ability to get on base. He also has more versatility than Garcia.

Do we think at this point that Manuel wants a defensive replacement for Burrell? Dobbs, Garcia and Werth don't really fit this profile, so I have to think Bourn still has a shot.


kdon, I agree D, G, & W don't constitute "optimal" defensive replacements. However, they are still upgrades from Burrell, and that may make all the difference.

Ramon Ortiz was one of the worst pitchers in mlb last season. Let's not get carried away.

Discussing who will be the Phils toughest rivals for the East title, lots of mentions on this thread and the prior one about the Braves and the Mets. Not a single mention of the Marlins. Hmmmm.

kdon, The only way Bourn still has a shot is if the Phils trade Rowand. Barring trade or injury, it looks like the bench is set: Ruiz, Dobbs, Werth, Nunez, and Garcia. Gives them 2 RH, 2 LH, and a switch. For Chris Coste's sake, I hope he gets traded.

kdon, The only way Bourn still has a shot is if the Phils trade Rowand. Barring trade or injury, it looks like the bench is set: Ruiz, Dobbs, Werth, Nunez, and Garcia. Gives them 2 RH, 2 LH, and a switch. For Chris Coste's sake, I hope he gets traded.

Did someone say Dobbs won't hit for power? He has all spring. And what about the Marlins clout, you like their chances?

Tray: The Marlins clearly have the best young talent in the division. The question with young talent is, when does it mature into consistency? The sophomore jinx is real and second year players like Hanley Ramirez and Josh Willingham might have trouble adjusting to pitchers who now have a book on them. Plus, there are injury questions about Josh Johnson & Anibel Sanchez.
But what if those kids actually get better this season? And what if they find a major leaguer who can play CF? What if it turns out that Gregg or Tankersley can be a closer? They could be very, very tough.

A lot of "what ifs" regarding the Marlins. No doubt they have the best young talent in the division, but too many question marks to be considered a real threat. It could happen, just not very likely.

It looks like the injury jinx has hit their staff - a frequent problem with a rotation loaded with young hard-throwers. Not too long ago, The Fish were expected to dominate for years with a rotation of Beckett, Dempster, Penny and Burnett until they were undone by one injury after another.

Well, on the plus side, the Nats look to be really, really bad, and we get to play them. Keith Law over on espn predicted as many as 110 losses.

Tray, in 222 ML at-bats, Dobbs has 2 HR. In 379 ABs at AAA in 2006, 9 HR. In '05 at AAA, 3 HR in 190 ABs.

I think I'll take the statistical evidence of two years in AAA and the majors over a handful of spring at-bats.

BM, who do you think would help the team more, Bourn or Garcia?

I'd put the Marlins in for about 70-75 wins. They overachieved a lot last year and they still only ended up with 78 wins.

With so many toung players, it's of course possible for them to improve by 5-10 wins over last year, but that still only puts them in the mid 80s. Anything above that, I would be very surprised.

who do you think would help the team more, Bourn or Garcia?

It's a great question. The answer is probably Bourn, especially if you believe that Dobbs, Werth and the backup catcher du jour will provide enough power off the bench. But Bourn also would be better off playing every day in Ottawa, so he's ready if/when Rowand gets hurt or dealt.

I'm not looking forward to Garcia's pinch-strikeouts, twisting himself into the ground as he flails at breaking stuff.

VOR: Yep, sure glad the Phillies don't have a bunch of "what ifs"!

kdon: "With so many young players, it's of course possible for them to improve by 5-10 wins over last year, but that still only puts them in the mid 80s"

I'm sure glad the Phils will be winning more than the mid-80s!

dajafi - thanks, buddy! Images of Garcia flailing at breaking balls in crucial situations are just what I want to go to sleep thinking of. It's going to lead to nightmares. Especially with his .239 BA against RHP.

And they'll send Coste to Ottawa, with his .349 BA against RHP. Smart move.

Well you never know, Dobbs just might have developed a power stroke. Power numbers are one thing that seems to vary a lot from season to season, for whatever reason.

Clout - I usually agree but I think you are totally off-base about the Marlins contending for the NL East. They were a nice story because they were so young but they still only won 78 games.

The Marlins have some definite strengths (Cabrera, Ramirez, strong starting staff) but the have some even bigger holes than the Phils in the bullpen and outfield. Willingham is the only decent outfield bat they have and he is only above average. Don't have a legit CF or RF. As for as pitching, the Marlins bullpen is just as unsettled as the Phils and Johnson is out at least until June.

Marlins will probably be feisty at times this year but their is now way this team makes gets to 85 wins let alone 90 wins. At best, the youngsters continue to develop and the Marlins finish .500.

Oops, I was wrong on Coste's BA vs LHP. It's .345.

vs. RHP.

"Well you never know" is not much of an argument Tray. I'd love it if we picked up a player who developed power at age 28, but those players are few and far between. If he has a slugging percentage in the 700s (or even 500s) by June, then we can talk.

MG: Guess we'll find out, huh? Their RF is Jeremy Hermida, a pretty good prospect who was hurt last year (and probably should've been in AAA). Losing Johnson hurts, but I think they have a lot of upside potential if the kids develop faster than expected. Obviously a big if. Their prime needs are an everyday CF and closer. I think the Mets are overrated. The Braves made the smartest moves of the offseason and are the most improved in the division.

Whats up with "Ryan Howard Day"?

kdon wrote: who do you think would help the team more, Bourn or Garcia?

I agree with dajafi -- probably Bourn. But since Bourn would be used just to pinch hit, pinch run, and as a defensive replacement, I prefer Bourn playing everyday and continuing to develop in AAA. Karim Garcia ,as the 5th outfielder, won't get much more than 100 ABs. I expect Dobbs to be the primary LH pinch hitter.

marlins = last years indians (but probably worse)

Since Dobbs is obviously going to make the team, does anyone know how he is defensively in the infield/outfield. Supposedly Dobbs plays the corner outfield positions but is also capable of playing 3B/1B. Is he actually ok or a liability?

Just got home from FL. Saw the last 3 games. Dobbs is a keeper, Werth can hit seeds also. Gillick and Green were very grumpy at Sarasota on Saturday, I was 2 rows behind them at home plate. Of course that was when the Phils scored only 5 runs in 28 innings, including Thursday's game.Plus Arroyo pitched his balls off, really popping the mitt. Helms is a very good hitter. Utley was THE MAN today with his 2 dingers. They are not playing 'little ball' too well.

And until Hamels pitched good, the others have mostly been getting bombed.

I was glad to see one win out of three. Howitzer appeared lost for 2 games, today hit a couple really good.

There's my report. Loved the 83 degree heat!!

MG - Dobbs made a great diving stab of a line drive yesterday. I am not sure if that is indicative of his defensive play. He certainly has been a great story this ST. I would like to see him make the team.

Cole Hamels, who had two base hits yesterday, is giving all the credit to Jimmy Rollins. J-Roll has been trying to teach the pitchers a good approach to their at bats and the importance of being a threat out of the 9 hole. I'd love for our pitchers to step up their production at the plate, as that will only lead to more runs.

Cole Hamels, who had two base hits yesterday, is giving all the credit to Jimmy Rollins. J-Roll has been trying to teach the pitchers a good approach to their at bats and the importance of being a threat out of the 9 hole. I'd love for our pitchers to step up their production at the plate, as that will only lead to more runs.

Clay Condrey: Listening to the Phils/Reds game on Xm Saturday and there were some insightful comments from Jeff Brantley. I dont know what y'alls opinion of Brantley is as a commentator, but I found him to be insightful and amusing at times. Basically he said that the only reason Condrey hasn't stuck as a reliever is that he cant get a breaking ball over the plate. After hearing him say that, Condrey folloed the next two pitches with breaking balls out of the zone. Condrey would go on to get out of the inning, but throwing only fastballs.

Utley/J-Roll/Vic/Helms: All looked geared up for opening day.

Hamels: Listening to the game, commentators agreed that the hitters for the Twins looked off balance in their swings against Hamels, much like what hitters looked like last year when he was on fire.

Burrell: Does anyone know where he is? Or his bat?

Tim, I like the comparison of the Marlins to last year's Indians. although it's worth noting that the 2006 Indians were spectacularly unlucky - 11 games behind their expected W-L, based on runs scored/allowed.

and with all the hand-wringing about Burrell, why doesn't anyone talk about Rowand? I'm a lot more worried about our CF, since Burrell at worst can put up Rob Deer-esque, three-true -outcomes numbers. Rowand at worst is more like Mario Mendoza.

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